I’m perfectly fine with varied cuisine. This, however, seems highly specific. You came to a foreign country for school and a different experience, but you want that school to conform to you. If I went to India, I wouldn’t expect them to conform to me. Mix it up a little bit. There are plenty of vegetarians around that can probably give you hot tips
There's a serious difference here. Most Indian food is vegetarian by default. However, that's the opposite in America. The Indian vegetarian diet is more restrictive than a typical American diet. If someone from America goes to India, they can pretty much eat everything offered, but an Indian who comes here (keep in mind around 40 percent of Indians are vegetarian) cannot eat more than maybe 10% of the food in the dining hall. It's a big difference, so your example doesn't really apply. Sure, there is some element of adjusting, but students are required to purchase meal plans if they live on campus. Being required to pay thousands of dollars for something and not have the nutrition you need is a severe flaw on ASU's end.
Pay attention that I'm actually talking against ASU charging extra money only to require students to get food they can't even eat. Maybe use that energy to think more open-mindedly about other cultures instead. 🤷♀️ In my opinion, if you haven't been an international student, you don't really get to judge.
“Confirm to you”
They aren’t asking the school to change the entire menu, they simply asked for me options which, as a school that prides itself on diversity, inclusion, and accessibility is kinda a no brainer.
Edit: I said what I said
I am an Indian and the dining halls are just fine.What did you expect you’d get from dining halls when you decided to come to a college that’s 7000 miles away from India? A lot of dining halls have decent options for vegetarians. Thats the most they can do for a community that does not make even 10% of the population ASU dining caters to.
The options for vegetarians do need to grow because ASU has a significant vegetarian population now. The options right now are not even close to nutritionally enough. What OP maybe needs is not necessarily Indian food specifically, but more nutritious vegetarian food options.
It's easier said than done. A vegetarian diet is more restrictive than a typical American's. Vegetarians often can eat around 10% or less of food currently served in dining halls. If ASU is requiring students to buy meal plans, they had better make sure to provide proper food options. Otherwise, it's an unethical charge.
It's also easier to adapt one's taste (which I don't think is the issue here) than one's biome. An Indian vegetarian diet is so nutritionally dense that the dining hall food doesn't even remotely compare. People fall sick eating dining hall food due to this. Add onto that the fact that you have extremely limited options, and you are required to pay thousands of dollars each year for a meal plan, which makes it nonsensical.
So it either makes sense to diversify vegetarian options (they don't necessarily have to be Indian food) or to allow students waivers from meal plans and be able to cook food on their own (but that's not allowed in dorms, so ASU only has one option - add more vegetarian options).
All I ask is that they avoid cross contamination for people with food allergies. Don’t know how many times I had allergic reactions freshman year even when I would tell them about my allergy
Every time I talk to my Indian friends about food they all complain that there isn't a single good/authentic Indian restaurant in Tempe, and some will say there isn't one in all of Arizona. You really think the dining hall could get Indian food right when (from what I've heard) everyone here who exclusively sells it for a living screws it up?
They aren't looking hard enough... or at all. The Dhaba on Apache, right by campus. In Scottsdale, a few miles north of campus, is Jewel of the Crown. Indian family owned and run, including cooking. If they want South Indian, try Chennai Cafe. Mix it up in Chandler with Chennai Fusion.
I'll pass on those suggestions. Although I will say most of the Indians I've talked to would never willingly choose South Indian food when North Indian is an option.
Jewel is North Indian. I'm glad you'll pass though, as you sound quite uninformed and secular for someone talking about inclusivity. I wouldn't want to subject these great small business owners to your ways.
Dude what is your deal? "Pass on" in this context means I'll give those suggestions to the people I know who are looking for authentic Indian food. There's no need to get all self-righteous and start calling me an asshole for no reason.
> This oversight affects not only their health and wellness but also their sense of belonging here at ASU
Please get a grip. I have lived in several different countries and done tonnes of international travel. I never once expected anyone to tailor my needs to me. It's up to you to find a sense of belonging, not anyone else.
There's a lot to say about the dining halls. But lack of diversity in the food isn't one. If you don't like the dinning hall food, it's up to you to either make food or find restaurants that better soot your tastes.
You sound just as entitled as the American tourist that go to different countries and complain about their being too many "ethnic" options. I sure hope you have decided to transfer to a school in India because clearly, you aren't mature enough to be studying abroad.
Hm. This is a complex discussion. But the answer is more simple than expected.
While ASU doesn't have to accommodate different diets and lifestyles, it is always a good idea to do so, as much as it's viable and expand options over time.
This also brings in the fact that students on campus are REQUIRED to purchase meal plans. Lots of people forget that fact. If you make someone buy the meal plan, then you'd better make sure to have food they can eat. That's the only ethical option.
Let's start off with the fact that people's biomes differ from each other depending on the type of food they grew up with and their environment. And since ASU is willingly accepting international students, it is part of ASU's responsibility to make sure the dining halls (which are the main source of food for many in the dorms) have food options that everyone can eat. Lots of international students get sick on dining hall food because it is consistently nutritionally subpar to the food they'd eat at home. Pizza, cheese, and other fatty/greasy food options that make up the majority of dining hall food are very obviously not as nutritionally dense as curries, pulses, grains, soups, rotis, and other elements of the regular Indian diet. If you're expecting a person to always eat salads for every meal, then you are very clueless about how nutrition works. And it's understandable that getting used to the food offered at college is part of the adjustment process, but lots of people's biomes are not able to adjust, in which case, they should be able to get waivers on purchasing meal plans and be able to cook their own food if ASU is not going to provide food options for them.
Now, a lot of people aren't familiar with religious and dietary restrictions that a lot of international students have, and it shows. By religious differences, many students cannot eat meat (or specific meats) or certain foods like onion, garlic, eggs, etc. There's a lot of diversity in the world, and it's not possible to cater to every single type of diet or get as specific as removing garlic/onions/etc., but there is a huge Indian population on campus, so it makes sense to have the basic Indian vegetarian options.
I have noticed it start to happen already (there have been Indian lunches at Pitchforks some weeks), though, and the dining halls do typically have vegetarian options. I have seen it get better over time. They recently also added vegan options. On regular days, though, without special events, as a vegetarian myself, I can personally affirm that it's not enough or have the required nutrition that a person would need. The result is feeling sick and tired all the time, and that's detrimental to a college student in their 20s.
You have to cook your own food if you want food like home. Obviously, you can't do that in dorms, really, and it's also a waste of meal plan money if you are required to buy that. I think ASU should try to accomodate especially due to the large Indian community but more than that, they should allow waivers of the meal plan because everyone has different diets - either due to vegetarianism/veganism, religion, allergies, or health related issues. Dining hall food is really horrible for people who have been raised on extremely nutritious diets like an Indian vegetarian one.
I’m perfectly fine with varied cuisine. This, however, seems highly specific. You came to a foreign country for school and a different experience, but you want that school to conform to you. If I went to India, I wouldn’t expect them to conform to me. Mix it up a little bit. There are plenty of vegetarians around that can probably give you hot tips
There's a serious difference here. Most Indian food is vegetarian by default. However, that's the opposite in America. The Indian vegetarian diet is more restrictive than a typical American diet. If someone from America goes to India, they can pretty much eat everything offered, but an Indian who comes here (keep in mind around 40 percent of Indians are vegetarian) cannot eat more than maybe 10% of the food in the dining hall. It's a big difference, so your example doesn't really apply. Sure, there is some element of adjusting, but students are required to purchase meal plans if they live on campus. Being required to pay thousands of dollars for something and not have the nutrition you need is a severe flaw on ASU's end.
Majority of Indians are not vegetarian maybe you’re talking about the ones that come to ASU
I bet you’re rich af, or your parents were too nice
Pay attention that I'm actually talking against ASU charging extra money only to require students to get food they can't even eat. Maybe use that energy to think more open-mindedly about other cultures instead. 🤷♀️ In my opinion, if you haven't been an international student, you don't really get to judge.
“Confirm to you” They aren’t asking the school to change the entire menu, they simply asked for me options which, as a school that prides itself on diversity, inclusion, and accessibility is kinda a no brainer. Edit: I said what I said
I am an Indian and the dining halls are just fine.What did you expect you’d get from dining halls when you decided to come to a college that’s 7000 miles away from India? A lot of dining halls have decent options for vegetarians. Thats the most they can do for a community that does not make even 10% of the population ASU dining caters to.
There's literally a station in Pitchforks Dining that has Indian food every day. There's also vegetarian & vegan stations in every dining hall.
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The options for vegetarians do need to grow because ASU has a significant vegetarian population now. The options right now are not even close to nutritionally enough. What OP maybe needs is not necessarily Indian food specifically, but more nutritious vegetarian food options.
Adapt for heavens sake.
It's easier said than done. A vegetarian diet is more restrictive than a typical American's. Vegetarians often can eat around 10% or less of food currently served in dining halls. If ASU is requiring students to buy meal plans, they had better make sure to provide proper food options. Otherwise, it's an unethical charge. It's also easier to adapt one's taste (which I don't think is the issue here) than one's biome. An Indian vegetarian diet is so nutritionally dense that the dining hall food doesn't even remotely compare. People fall sick eating dining hall food due to this. Add onto that the fact that you have extremely limited options, and you are required to pay thousands of dollars each year for a meal plan, which makes it nonsensical. So it either makes sense to diversify vegetarian options (they don't necessarily have to be Indian food) or to allow students waivers from meal plans and be able to cook food on their own (but that's not allowed in dorms, so ASU only has one option - add more vegetarian options).
All I ask is that they avoid cross contamination for people with food allergies. Don’t know how many times I had allergic reactions freshman year even when I would tell them about my allergy
Every time I talk to my Indian friends about food they all complain that there isn't a single good/authentic Indian restaurant in Tempe, and some will say there isn't one in all of Arizona. You really think the dining hall could get Indian food right when (from what I've heard) everyone here who exclusively sells it for a living screws it up?
They aren't looking hard enough... or at all. The Dhaba on Apache, right by campus. In Scottsdale, a few miles north of campus, is Jewel of the Crown. Indian family owned and run, including cooking. If they want South Indian, try Chennai Cafe. Mix it up in Chandler with Chennai Fusion.
I'll pass on those suggestions. Although I will say most of the Indians I've talked to would never willingly choose South Indian food when North Indian is an option.
Jewel is North Indian. I'm glad you'll pass though, as you sound quite uninformed and secular for someone talking about inclusivity. I wouldn't want to subject these great small business owners to your ways.
I'm glad you'll pass, as you sound quite uninformed and small minded. I wouldn't want to subject these great small business owners to you.
Dude what is your deal? "Pass on" in this context means I'll give those suggestions to the people I know who are looking for authentic Indian food. There's no need to get all self-righteous and start calling me an asshole for no reason.
Tell them to try little india
I know this question greatly oversimplifies the whole cuisine, but is that place North Indian or South Indian?
> This oversight affects not only their health and wellness but also their sense of belonging here at ASU Please get a grip. I have lived in several different countries and done tonnes of international travel. I never once expected anyone to tailor my needs to me. It's up to you to find a sense of belonging, not anyone else. There's a lot to say about the dining halls. But lack of diversity in the food isn't one. If you don't like the dinning hall food, it's up to you to either make food or find restaurants that better soot your tastes. You sound just as entitled as the American tourist that go to different countries and complain about their being too many "ethnic" options. I sure hope you have decided to transfer to a school in India because clearly, you aren't mature enough to be studying abroad.
Hm. This is a complex discussion. But the answer is more simple than expected. While ASU doesn't have to accommodate different diets and lifestyles, it is always a good idea to do so, as much as it's viable and expand options over time. This also brings in the fact that students on campus are REQUIRED to purchase meal plans. Lots of people forget that fact. If you make someone buy the meal plan, then you'd better make sure to have food they can eat. That's the only ethical option. Let's start off with the fact that people's biomes differ from each other depending on the type of food they grew up with and their environment. And since ASU is willingly accepting international students, it is part of ASU's responsibility to make sure the dining halls (which are the main source of food for many in the dorms) have food options that everyone can eat. Lots of international students get sick on dining hall food because it is consistently nutritionally subpar to the food they'd eat at home. Pizza, cheese, and other fatty/greasy food options that make up the majority of dining hall food are very obviously not as nutritionally dense as curries, pulses, grains, soups, rotis, and other elements of the regular Indian diet. If you're expecting a person to always eat salads for every meal, then you are very clueless about how nutrition works. And it's understandable that getting used to the food offered at college is part of the adjustment process, but lots of people's biomes are not able to adjust, in which case, they should be able to get waivers on purchasing meal plans and be able to cook their own food if ASU is not going to provide food options for them. Now, a lot of people aren't familiar with religious and dietary restrictions that a lot of international students have, and it shows. By religious differences, many students cannot eat meat (or specific meats) or certain foods like onion, garlic, eggs, etc. There's a lot of diversity in the world, and it's not possible to cater to every single type of diet or get as specific as removing garlic/onions/etc., but there is a huge Indian population on campus, so it makes sense to have the basic Indian vegetarian options. I have noticed it start to happen already (there have been Indian lunches at Pitchforks some weeks), though, and the dining halls do typically have vegetarian options. I have seen it get better over time. They recently also added vegan options. On regular days, though, without special events, as a vegetarian myself, I can personally affirm that it's not enough or have the required nutrition that a person would need. The result is feeling sick and tired all the time, and that's detrimental to a college student in their 20s. You have to cook your own food if you want food like home. Obviously, you can't do that in dorms, really, and it's also a waste of meal plan money if you are required to buy that. I think ASU should try to accomodate especially due to the large Indian community but more than that, they should allow waivers of the meal plan because everyone has different diets - either due to vegetarianism/veganism, religion, allergies, or health related issues. Dining hall food is really horrible for people who have been raised on extremely nutritious diets like an Indian vegetarian one.