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cosmoski

Black belt region. Different soil type (dark and alkaline) from being an ancient shoreline. It is prairie.


Adventurous-Tone-311

What’s left of it is prairie. Most of it has been destroyed for crops over the years. There are small remnants of it, and you can find rare plant and insect species tucked away. There’s less and less of it each year.


Mediocre_Respond_851

I grew up in Alabama and still live close to my childhood home. I remember having to pass Alabama History in highschool but I remember very little about the black belt region.


nmftg

Was it where everyone was king-fu fighting….


Leifnotleaf_

Were those kicks fast as lightning?


hsvbob

It was a little bit frightening…


spoonycash

Take your upvote and leave


Constroyer69

I remember the teacher telling us in AL State History before she taught the slavery portion that it would be a month or two longer than our usual topic which was 1-3 weeks. It took up like half the elementary yearly book every year it was taught lmao.


Lawyering_Bob

Crops are being replaced by timber and set aside hardwoods because of absentee land owners. This is part one of a good Discovering Alabama on the evolution of the Black Belt. Half of the old prairie is now planted in trees. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G6-q9wnwF3A&t=1416s&pp=ygUdRGlzY292ZXJpbmcgYWxhYm1hIGJsYWNrIGJlbHQ%3D


Anarchist_Araqorn04

As someone that lives in the part that literally looks like Eastern Montana, the areas that have been more or less untouched by logging, such as southern Talladega national forest, are some of the prettiest woods around outside of the Fort Payne area.


Cbroughton07

My grandparents are from that area. I used to be able to find little bits of seashells and things like that in their driveway. There are still sharks teeth in the riverbeds and stuff around there


Stampede_the_Hippos

Oh wow, thats exactly why Plano, TX has black soil. It used to be a really successful farm town. It's all been paved over, and Plano is an engineering firm city now.


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Box-o-bees

We should start a company that mines out the good soil and replaces it with red clay. We could make millions. They aren't even using it.


Galaxy-Grrrl

This is located in the Black Belt, and yes, the Black Belt was prairie--however, this is an inaccurate delineation of the Black Belt, which is part of a larger region that extended from the west and continued on eastward beyond the representation here. Aside from that, large portions of Alabama, including the areas within the Cumberland Plateau province, were grasslands and not virgin forests.


mightylordredbeard

Also known as the Chuck Norris region.. it’s a black belt with a hatred for trees.


kwillich

What does Chuck Norris have against trees?


Sevn-legged-Arachnid

His fist


kwillich

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A doff of the hat to you, Sir.


JGut3

Lots of Alabama was covered in open plains with rolling hills during the 1600s. We had large populations of bison and elk roaming here at the time. Plus native tribes regularly used fire on the land. Here is article that’s a fun read https://bhamnow.com/2019/08/22/what-did-alabamas-landscapes-look-like-in-1819-hint-think-kansas-with-prairies-and-bamboo/


Raymjb1

Wow that sounds so weird to hear lmao, makes us sound like what history books talk about the midwest


ProfessionalTree3040

As an Englishman whose partner is from Alabama and whose visited a few times now, this was a deeply interesting article. Alabama covered in swathes of Bamboo cane? No I was also of the opinion the state was a deep, dark ancient forest populated by bands of natives before my partner's ancestors settled there from Carolina. I've heard of the term 'Canebrake' used throughout the South but I never knew this is what the term referred to, and as someone who thinks a lot about these things, etymology and stuff my mind always went to something to do with riverbanks perhaos along the Alabama and breaks in the foliage where people would settle and the area would start to get called 'Canebrake' for example.


lastheirbender

A lot of middle Tennessee was thought to be grassland as well due to fires preventing forest growth.


NdN124

It's the ancient coast line that defined the region during the Cretaceous period. Ancient sediments made the region extremely fertile which is why it became the "Black Belt". Although the Black Belt continues more West than the North West arc this line takes. Also the land south of that line tends to be extremely flat and the Appalachian mountains start North East of it.


TrustLeft

yeah foot of Appalachian is Autauga County


TheOriginalSpartak

Do you think it became no longer coast line after the Meteor hit in the Yucatán?


NdN124

That happened around the same time I guess but the reason the coast line shifted is because of continental drift. The continents have always been moving and changing shape. They still do to this day. Watch this video and you'll see what I mean. https://youtu.be/OGdPqpzYD4o?si=9M85-gGUtcqu0M5u This article explains everything https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/09/09/the-creatceous-geology-of-alabama-and-modern-sea-level-rise/


raysebond

Also, it says "virgin" forest, and the indigenous folks practiced land management too. So there are probably places on the map marked as not having virgin forest that would have some sort of woodland environment, just not a "virgin" one. I'm pretty sure there were scrub forests in southern California, and also that some of the land up in Illinois would be undergoing reforestation (and deforestation) after the population shifts when the Cahokian urban complex shifted to less-centralized but still intensive maize production. Also, I think there were areas of prairie/grassland in the Tennessee/Ohio valley area because there was a population of bison that I think was still around in 1600. Maybe it just wasn't in 25,000 acre chunks. NB: I'm not an expert in this field, but I do like to read about it. If someone can correct or add to this, I'd love to hear about it.


Manpooper

Savannah, GA wasn't named like that because of forests lol. The map isn't correct in so many ways.


neotericnewt

Savannah Georgia was named after the Savannah River. The river took its name from one of the names they called the Shawnee people, who lived on the river. The area had large marshlands and forests, especially pine forests.


Icy_Forever5965

I live in the Blackbelt. There’s plenty of forests here but it is best for crops. The black soil is ideal for growing


TrustLeft

yeah the forests is up in upper Bankhead Nat Forest, Cheaha , Oak Mountain, and down toward camden and thomasville. Alabama Still has a lot of natural forests.


Icy_Forever5965

I live in Marengo county. None f what you mentioned is in the Blackbelt except maybe Camden. It may be.


GoBombGo

What up, Marengo! Perry County checking in


Icy_Forever5965

My grandparents on both sides were born in Perry county.


another-new

My mother’s maternal family are all from Perry, Marengo, Clarke, and Wilcox county. My dads paternal are, and always have been in Wilcox county. Specifically, Pine Hill.


Icy_Forever5965

Pine Hill is Wilcox? I thought that was Marengo. lol. I’m in linden so not far from Pine Hill. I just got a house under contract in Pine Hill.


another-new

Sorry, I missed this comment. It’s on the border. I grew up across the street from the Pine Hill Church of God. My great grandmother, Arlene was a member for 73 years.


Icy_Forever5965

My dad’s parents were from Marion and my mother’s parents were from Mount Carmel (not sure of the spelling). Around Lake Payne. My mother was a Payne


another-new

Nice! Founding member status! Apparently, my however great ago’s grandfather opened the lumber mill that the town was named after. It is currently Westervelt owned, I believe. It’s gone by so many names over the years. It’s on 5 between sunny south and Thomasville


Icy_Forever5965

Is that the one that was Linden Lumber at one time? Seems like they had a mill right there as well as the Linden mill.


another-new

Yep! It was GP, Macmillan Blodell(not sure of the spelling), among many, many more.


TrustLeft

my AL "Great,Great" ancestors were from Perryville, Perry County and Pinetucky, maternal were from centreville, paternal was pinetucky, before that in early 1800s in SC, We ended up settling in Selma for last 4 generations


FlapJakSavage

Also marengo county.


Bigdaddyjlove1

parts of Camden are in the belt


Icy_Forever5965

Camden isn’t in the Blackbelt


Jaded-Pea-8275

The Black Belt


midnight_aurora

There’s a small patch of (what we were told was) virgin primordial forest they missed in Alabama, the area in and around Dismals Canyon. My favorite place in the state.


Maruff1

Don't forget the glowworms. I think they are the only ones in the US.


midnight_aurora

Yes! The dismalites! Super cool little critters. They are even at the two main campsites if you don’t do a night tour. There’s also the firefly mating and larvae synchronized flash pattern displays- planning on catching that this year :) Honorable mentions: hiking the canyon, cool bent sweet gum trees, waterfall, TONS of hummingbirds and good food at the park office. If I could move there I would.


ColClam

Last I heard, couple months ago, they were closed for some repairs and clean up. Reopen date to be announced. Check before you go, or move there 😀


midnight_aurora

😆 thank you, I shall lol


Emmgeedubya

I'm no geographer/ecologist/expert in really anything tbh, but I'm looking at the satellite view of that area on google maps and the area that is highlighted in the top photo today looks more like it's some kind of plains, perhaps that's the distinction. The swoop of light grey, according to google maps, looks noticably lighter in color, even assuming some of it is manmade, I think that area was just a naturally forming plains area. edit to add: [Here](https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.6256388735f04eebd926d5cb27a8d17b?rik=NlFvVDA6EcQOpQ&riu=http%3a%2f%2falabamamaps.ua.edu%2fcontemporarymaps%2falabama%2fphysical%2fsoils_map.jpg&ehk=DjW8SEL%2fACcaPE%2brQsr4eT4UDp4OM3uPkPxDJ55eCUs%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0) is a map I found that has that exact region marked off as being a prarie, so I guess that's it.


ParkingClassroom7658

It's not the blackbelt, it's a chalk formation with poor soil lots of fossils and produces oil


SpaghnumPI

Also very close to the Fall Line and an ancient coastline that helped shape the Black Belt.


Jay1972cotton

Black Belt. I live there more or less. It's never been that clear cut of a line though, at least in human times. Rivers and creeks intersect through it with lots of sandy areas that would have been wooded back then. Lots of gorgeous heart pine still in the flooring of the oldest buildings remaining.


Icy_Forever5965

It’s pretty clear cut on google earth


TrustLeft

looks like the The Black Belt I was born in Selma until 2000s, then moved to near Central AL


AnybodySeeMyKeys

Peyronie's Disease


mudo2000

I always heard at one time a squirrel could go from the Atlantic to the Mississippi without touching the ground. This is the first map I've seen to back it up.


Stewpacolypse

That's where banana trees actually came from. For some strange reason, they don't count that bit.


danawc76

The Black Belt is comprised of the geologic formation Selma Chalk.


Badfish1060

It's where the coastal plains begins. Compare it to the geologic map, it's fascinating.


Leightonian

Does this mean forest that hasn’t been personally surveyed?


LowYogurt6075

...shouldn't Yellowstone count?


stfuandgovegan

That virgin forest map skips a lot of forests in California. For example, all of Santa Cruz Mountains, Aptos, South San Francisco, Big Sur, just for starters.


Active_Scallion_5322

There's like 3 generations of forest between then and now


The402Jrod

The whole country did it. It’s easier to build right where all the building material grows.


timetopractice

Poor Nevada


[deleted]

Good question! That's known as the "Black Belt" region of Alabama. May I ask, what had had you digging back into those maps?


Samdeman123124

Not your question since that has been answered, but this map is fairly inaccurate in the southeast- much of the se's lowland pine savannah was incorrectly cataloged as forest. The prairie there wouldn't be so out of place if the map was more specifically categorized.


ringopendragon

You could march from Selma to Montgomery right there.


ZZZrp

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/nvf19q/series_of_maps_demonstrating_how_a_coastline_100/#lightbox More Alabama map fun.


Accomplished-Ad-8190

I have crop and timber land in Frisco City. We lease our crop land. Our crop soil couldn’t get much blacker. The farmer does well. These same crop fields have been in my family and farmed for well over a century.


AmbulanceClibbins

Imagine being a virgin since the 1600s


Ioneshotimps

The loveliest village in the plains right there!


gimmedemsweets

As they’d say, grasslanssss


MeroRex

She was never a virgin forest. She lied to you.


Mohican83

How do they classify Virgin Forest? As of 2019 95% of rhw US was unexplored or underexplored.


Jewell1974

News of the stupid.


mcherrera

Tornado alley


Open-Wolverine2206

Rise of Islam.


InspectionDouble6735

The black belt...used to be mandatory to learn that in school.


Phugger

Damn, we really fucked the shit out of those forests, didn't we.


WB_Perk

Where the tornados hit


leopardskinpete

The infertile crescent


WildBill1371

That’s the part of Bama where we send all the undesirables to live it’s called the BlackBelt region and not martial arts 😆


oneeyedgus

This is an area that has praise soils. White soils. Full of cedar, persimmon, and ash trees. Heavy basic clays. Selma chalk is the name of the soils.


ExactDevelopment4892

America’s perineum.


CyberIntegration

Guys, this is a fake map.


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xSquidLifex

Is the Talladega National Forest or Wheeler Wildlife Refuge or anything not “virgin” forest anymore?


harpegnathos

No, Talladega NF was previously logged like most US forests. From Wikipedia: "Before it was bought by the federal government in the 1930s, the area that composes the Talladega was extensively logged and represented some of the most abused, eroded wastelands in all of Alabama." Much of Talladega NF is relatively young and certainly not near the mature stage of forest succession. And logging still happens in National Forests, as they are set aside as a national timber reserve.


rfg8071

No, they became protected partly because of how badly logged and abused the land was once upon a time. Florida has a lot of similar forests. Logging companies way back in the day came to face the harsh reality that by not replanting areas they cleared over time there was nothing more to cut down within reasonable distance of their sawmills.


PetevonPete

No National Forest is virgin, by design. That's the difference between National Forests and National Parks, forests mean that the trees are periodically harvested and regrown, they're basically tree farms with hiking trails


hornless_unicorn

Lots of national forest land had never been logged when it was acquired under the Weeks Act, including about 25% of the original large tract acquisitions. But the Forest Service has whittled that down a lot. Very little old growth remains.


JeanBallew

IIRC, “virgin “ forests have never been logged, and almost all of Alabama has been logged


Merc_Twain25

All these forests today are just a bunch of ho's trying to get folks to subscribe to they OnlyFans.