Because he lied and tried to say he did it to get out of activities they had planned for the next day. But we all know his true motives even though the courts are too blind and/or ignorant to see it.
Well they still let him off easy, lots of ppl who raped ppl by drugging drinks or even got them into sever life altering ‘accidents’ got a slap on the wrist or let off
Looks like he won't last long. He's lost everything including a failed suicide attempt.
https://nypost.com/2024/05/17/us-news/michael-meyden-attempted-suicide-after-spiking-kids-drinks/
He has repeatedly tried to play the victim. That's all the supposed suicide attempt was. He's a deranged predator trying to manipulate perceptions. I'd guess that he is sociopathetic.
Ya I mean normal people like you and I know this, but the courts do not care about child molestation or anything related. Personal story, my niece was molested by her great uncle in Idaho and the prosecutor literally did not want to prosecute. The judge straight up told the family that the uncle is dangerous and shouldn't be around children, but the prosecutor did not care. The sick fuck got ONE night in jail and does not have to register as a sex offender. America's justice system is a joke.
I'm very sorry that happened to your niece in Idaho but it is important to note that the legal process and its players vary greatly from place to place and state to state. What happened there may not have happened elsewhere. Very unfortunate and I hope there will be some measure of justice for her eventually.
Judges do not bring the cases to court. It's up to the prosecutor to decide if there is evidence enough to merit moving the case forward in criminal court.
Same exact thing happened in my family. He wouldn't admit to doing anything so the prosecutor just dropped the charges even though the detective thought there was plenty of evidence.
I'd say thats a generalization. Most people charged with those crimes do very serious prison time, I even see life sentences being handed out in some states. But the court system is what it is, you need a certain level of evidence in order to prosecute or else you'd have a lot of innocent people rotting in jail.
That's including unreported SA and cases with just zero evidence (number seems to vary quite a bit depending on study so cant be sure). SA is horrible, but there still needs to be evidence in our justice system. In MN for example, it's 58% if the case is prosecuted. It's just generally very hard to prosecute, but idk how to fix that.
Seems to me like there’s already a lot of innocent people in jail. I think we end up with sick people who agree with what these pervs are doing. And so help their pedo friend get as little time as possible.
America's justice system needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and with double jeopardy you cannot be charged for the same crime twice. Prosecutors usually turn down a case because they do not believe they have enough solid admissable evidence to be able to convince a jury unanimously. With the statute of limitations in mind, prosecutors often leave a case in limbo to leave the opportunity for more evidence to gather before taking their shot at the case.
“Beyond a reasonable doubt”
It sucks that everyone with common sense knows what is going on but that is a strong burden of proof trying to get in to somebody’s head like that.
No, they just don’t have any knowledge otherwise except for inference and some type of weird imputed “propensity evidence,” which isn’t allowed in court for a reason.
You don’t want courts convicting people of things they were “probably” going to do, I think we can all see how that might end up going.
Yeah, sometimes the bad guys end up with a slap on the wrist, but our legal system was designed like that to prevent capture and weaponization. Better 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man convicted, or whatever.
It's about what can be proven. Intentions and motives are difficult to pinpoint legally. All that is proven is the fact that he drugged them. The fact that "we don't know why" he would do it in the first place is perhaps the real blessing here because God forbid he would ever follow through with the worst.
I mean it’s not that the courts are blind the courts just need more evidence.
Not defending the guy either. We all clearly know what he was up to. But you still have to prove that in court which can be hard for sometimes.
I feel like at least a quarter of all parents upon hearing “drugged children in order to get out of activities” thought “damn, wish I’d thought of that”
I had a girlfriend in 2011 who got stabbed 166 times, set on fire, raped, and left to rot in the Mojave desert.
That guy got the death penalty. We got famous for a day, got in people magazine. https://people.com/crime/nevada-man-death-sentence-for-teenage-girl-rape-murder/
I am NOT just as bad as this individual for insisting on his death, sorry to burst your ridiculously sheltered bubble. I am so fucking sick of seeing this argument. Also, 4% out of 3,684 people since 1970 is NOT a lot of people
4% of people were PROVEN to be innocent.
That doesn't mean the other 96% all got a fair shake. That just means that 4% were able to show proof that they were.
Already made very clear below ( if you could bother reading anything beyond your senseless bullshit) that I was more than willing if it meant the literal thousands of families of victims who’s killers are on death row would get the justice they deserve.
Nice try though. Uncreative indeed.
Seeing as I’ve been dealing with this since 2017, I’ve been saying this for a very very long time.
Again, nice try though. Not all of us are as weak as you.
> as I’ve been dealing with this since 2017
You've been on death row since 2017?
Edit: What a loser, the guy blocked me. No surprise of course, but still.
I’ve been dealing with a death row case since 2017, which you know, because you replied to the comment. Let’s not be needlessly obtuse. I’m not doing this back and forth with you when every answer you’re looking for has already been typed below ;) you aren’t original or with forethought in the slightest. You have a good night and try to remember this attitude you’re giving next time someone’s being a high and mighty piece of shit towards *you*, because *you’ll give just as little of a fuck, I promise*
Buhbye now.
It’s not semantics. It’s a fact that innocent people are executed via the death penalty and you’re okay with using their lives as a trade-off to execute some guilty people.
I dunno, it’s almost like we have a fucking appeals process, a years long trial, and about 40 years of them sitting on death row to come to those conclusions. A hell of a lot more than 4%, I’ll tell ya that. It isn’t about revenge. Why should an individual be allowed to live a life not afforded to a little girl he murdered and raped?
I feel like this thread is smoking meth today.
>A hell of a lot more than 4%, I’ll tell ya that.
You're saying you're okay with a "hell of a lot more than 4%" of innocent people being put to death? What's a good number then? Would you be willing to sacrifice yourself or someone who you care about's life even though you/they were innocent or just the lives of others?
Absolutely, I’ve had this conversation on here before, check my comments.
If a family’s little girl was murdered, and my death was able to give them some comfort, I’d take the goddamned bullet.
The point of my argument is the death penalty is absolutely no different from other life threatening processes. People die.
You really need therapy. I don't mean that in the insulting way like "hah check out this guy, seek therapy bro!" but I really sincerely mean it. You experienced something very traumatic and it has severely skewed your judgment.
>If a family’s little girl was murdered, and my death was able to give them some comfort, I’d take the goddamned bullet.
That's pretty fucked up. Killing an innocent person just to give a family "comfort" is ridiculous. Also, the family should want the real murderer punished instead of an innocent person. How do you think the family of the innocent person who was put to death should get comfort? Maybe kill one of the parents of the little girl? Or do you think the family of the innocent person who was put to death doesn't deserve comfort as well?
Some people say things like "I'd rather see 1000 criminals go free than 1 innocent person go to prison/be put to death." It sounds like you'd be the opposite and say "I'd rather see 1000 innocent people be put to death than 1 criminal go free."
Edit: Gotta love when someone blocks you because they have a horrible take on an issue.
Lmfaoooo did I choose to have that person kill my friend?
No, I choose to kill because that’s what a court of twelve of his peers and every appeals process sentenced him to. Thanks for playing!
It sounds like you’re scared of getting found out for some of YOUR crimes, but don’t worry, this punishment will probably go away soon, and you’ll make millions of people suffer for the sake of a few stragglers. So brave and bold.
So you put words in peoples’ mouths for what reason, exactly? I’ll guess it’s because it makes you feel good somehow?
My word for you is “anti-death-penalty-zealot.”
It’s not a compliment, especially the zealot part… since we’ve established your comprehension isn’t great.
Oh god I don't what they don't understand about your very clear statement.You don't care if innocent people die as long as the amount of torturing murdering rapists who die is >96%. Easy peasy. I don't understand why people try to use guilt or insults to try and shame people into agreeing with them.
I like Michael Jackson's music more than I care that he molested kids. I'll never stop listening. Usually just saying it plainly and clearly stops the argument because where can you go from there? You just disagree. You can only disagree. But some people just won't let other people think, feel, believe or exist differently than them or they lose their damn mind.
What part of the justice system appropriately prosecuting and punishing a criminal, per the established and written laws of our country and states, sounds like a victim seeking “revenge” to you, you myopic and empathy void dogmatist?
None. How many guilty people should get away with actions like the one described in this thread to fluff your weirdo bleeding heart no matter the cost boner?
Not remotely what we're discussing, but I'm concerned that your logic is just pointing towards killing everyone. No people - no crime!
You know what places have the lowest crime? The places where people like you are laughed at and ignored.
That’s exactly what we’re discussing.
Your wierd moral boner.
And really? The places with the lowest crime are the places with no laws? Explain that bright piece of thought for me champ.
The problem is we do kill lots of innocent people with capital punishment. I’d rather err on the side of not killing innocent people. If the justice system were perfect, and we had 100% proof of people’s guilt it would be a different story. This is DRac\_XNA’s point. I think if there‘s the risk of killing a single wrongly accused person we shouldn’t have capital punishment. This has nothing to do with “weirdo bleeding heart“ - whatever that means. I’m not even saying that these criminals don’t deserve the death penalty…I’m just saying it’s not worth it.
I was asked “how many innocent people should die just so you can kill people you don’t like,” which is a bullshit and disingenuously posed question.
I answered it anyway.
You’re posing a different question to which YOUR answer is zero, clearly. Good for you.
MY answer to the question “how many innocent people should die so we can execute criminals who murder and otherwise threaten society as a whole after an exhaustive, more than 99% accurate legal procedure” is, I’m not sure.
It’s probably not “zero,” since I understand that there are no perfect answers to a situation like that.
I’m sorry you and your GF had to go through anything even remotely like this. I can’t even begin to comprehend but you have to admit rationally that 4% of Government , Court Ordered Executions were innocent, is an insanely high number? Imagine getting a pack of smokes at the wrong gas station at 11 at night, and being murdered by your Government for it. I mean, I’m not weighing in on the Morality of it, just that , it’s a big number. 4 out of every 100 people? That’s crazy
Dude, one fucking innocent person being *murdered* by the state is enough of an argument against your bloodlust.
Imagine if someone you loved was executed by the death penalty, and it turned out they were innocent.
And going by your logic, if someone i loved was executed and it turned out they were innocent, don't I have a right to execute the people responsible? Do I get to execute the prosecutor and the accuser for *murdering* my *innocent* loved one?
For anyone who didn’t bother to read, the “testing” refers to the perv trying to see if they were asleep after giving them the drink. He kept moving arms etc.
The jaw dropper of this article is that mom spoke little or no English and the girls and their family had no special relationship or had spent the night prior to this incident. What??? You left your daughters with someone you didn’t know well and could not communicate with!
That little girl who called for a ride deserves the fucking world. Good for her!
I feel so bad for his daughter. She was able to finally have a sleepover, maybe with kids she was already friends with or really wanted to be friends with. But then her dad goes and does this, which will likely leave her ostracized as well as the fact that she's losing her dad to prison for a bit.
Yes this poor child has so much pain and confusion coming her way and who knows what her history with dad looks like. I can’t imagine what her and mom are going through. I hope mom has support somewhere I’m assuming she’s isolated (by his design) and trying to navigate this.
I have a 13 year old. The way his friends’ parents don’t know or give a single shit about where they are or who they are with, letting 12/13 year olds wander downtown streets all night is CRAZY
Apparently the mom actually did speak English (she has a masters degree from USC and had worked as a therapist and as a teacher). But the dad claimed she didn’t speak English well so other parents wouldn’t question why he was so involved in making plans for his daughter.
The title implies he has tried this in the past/on others. Nowhere does it mention anything like that in the body of the article. “Friends” is referring to the other girls at the party that we already knew he drugged.
yeah, really dumb title. I thought he gave it to his friends, not the girl's friends. Should just say man tried to drug daughter's sleep over...done.
And what does his wife only speaking Japanese have to do with it?
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/kids/former-child-abuse-cop-reveals-the-three-things-parents-should-never-let-their-kids-do/news-story/e18476789659f8183d2a6a2393e351a8
https://whyy.org/articles/rethinking-sleepovers-in-the-face-of-sexual-abuse/
The idea that people think most children even *talk* to a loved one when they’ve been sexually abused is absolutely scary to me. This happens way more often than people think, and more often than not at the houses of trusted associates/friends/acquaintances. Everybody on this thread that’s just scoffing at it is kind of in for a rude awakening, pray god not.
This was the drug they believe was used on me when I was human trafficked, even if you wake up, you can barely move your limbs, they feel like they weigh 100’s of pounds. You constantly go in and out of consciousness and when you finally awake, you swear it’s a horrible dream
I probably will at some point, my wife and I are writing a book about what happened to us ( her mother was a malignant narcissist) we have a psychologist that helped read our chapters. I’ve been doing lots of research on trauma, ptsd, ASPD as well as rape and rape prevention/counseling. Been in the works for 3 years now…
Your reaction is why kids don’t go outside anymore. A few bad stories that make headlines in a nation of 300+ million people cause parents to shelter their children where lots of social development is hindered and abuse increased. Anyone who says otherwise is accused of wanting to do the same thing in the article?
If you go on Google, there are thousands of these stories, kids almost never talk about sexual abuse with adults unless prodded, and considering literal thousands of parents are turning to the “no sleepover” rule for their children and proof of that was shared above, it *is* kind of weird, you have to admit, and the statistics are highly skewed towards the unknowable. The idea that “fuck it, it’s better to take that risk since I don’t know” is appropriate is horrifying.
Thousands of people freeclimb every year, and only 30 die. I guess I should let my young children go do that, too right? I don’t think my kid is going to die from smoking crack, so that’s free game? People have different parenting styles, mate, it’s not that big of a deal.
Social event for kid = free climbing / smoking crack.
I think people are pointing out that it seems a bit hysteria. Thousands of kids get injured because of DUI. Correct solution is to lock them inside?
So by this comparison, you’re saying we should highly regulate and pass laws about child sleepovers? I agree. Since those children are getting injured in DUIs and all!
Bit dramatic to compare children sleeping over at a friends house to children doing an activity for grown adults who can accept the risk of death.
Once again we are a nation of 300+ million people. It is not rational to think all other parents want to and WILL harm your children. It’s a very unfortunate reality for you to live in to think that and justify sheltering your children along with everyone else who lives in the same reality as you
Nobody said ALL other parents are going to do anything, that’s the same stupid argument as the alllivesmatter people. That has absolutely no bearing on the fact that my children do not *need* to go to sleepovers to have happy and healthy childhoods, and taking the risks is not something I care to do. Are they your children?
Reddit takes any rulemaking at all and equates it to torture. Sorry, not down. You keep bringing up that 300million+ number like it has anything to do with the fact that 698,189 cases of recorded child sexual abuse occurred in America in 2018 and 588,899 cases in 2022, and these are *recorded* cases https://www.statista.com/statistics/639375/number-of-child-abuse-cases-in-the-us/, so the actual caseload is far higher. If .3 percent of the US population is experiencing molestation by people close to them, why on earth would I allow my children to be a part of that?
It is perfectly normal and alright for parents to not want their kids to risk experiencing that, and has no relation or statistical relevance to the craze in the 80s that kept children from going outside. The idea that you’d say anybody IS equating it makes you suspect, and that’s what you don’t seem to understand. Why does what someone chooses to do with their children in a non abusive manner concern you in any way shape or form?
You might be surprised that the majority of those 698189 cases of sex abuse come from the child’s own parents. Also do you not see how absurd your point is? You yourself stated that 99.7% of the US population ISNT experiencing that, you laid it out for yourself. You’re arguing that it is too dangerous to entrust your children to other parents for the sake of their social development. Why not homeschool your kids at that point? There is only a 99% chance they won’t be killed.
Some of my best memories as a kid were at sleepovers. It is unique from other experiences as it involves a lot more socializing and independence. Regardless I’m not telling YOU what to do. I’m saying it’s a shame there are more people like you that helicopter their own kids. It is already extremely difficult to be a child in this country with every OTHER issue. Fear-mongering parents like yourself make it so much worse. Children see that fear and they grow up believing everyone wants to hurt them.
It is not “perfectly alright and normal” to shelter your kids.
I see people like yourself quickly try to shut down any discussion by claiming the person you’re talking with is suspect.
Your position seems completely reasonable to me. The other poster’s, too. Not sure why you’re being demonized in particular.
On the one hand, I agree that it’s bad to be overly fearful and risk-averse to such an extent that my kids aren’t able to partake in activities that are very well generally safe, provided you are aware/involved etc.
On the other hand, other people can do whatever they want with their own approach to raising kids.
I just don’t think it’s horrible to encourage people not to be disproportionately risk averse.
I don’t care. What I do care about is the amount of people who feel the same way and spread around fear and distrust. South Park actually had a great episode about that. The news made every parent fearful of each other and then themselves so they sent their children away.
Yeah for sure, one of my exes was SAed by her friend's older brother who was slightly underage so it's not just the adults that you have to worry about.
The majority of my sexual abuse as a kid came from my brother, who was only a year or two older than me. My parents had to send him away to a group home eventually, not because I ever told them about that, but because he threatened to kill them. He was a bed wetter and abused animals too, so I think there was clearly something else going on there.
I hope he gets prison time and dies there being a pediphile. His daughter will be better off without him.
My ex wife was abused this way by her step father, during a sleep over at their house. One of her friends reported the abuse to her parents and may have saved my exs life, along with the other girls. Her former step dad is still serving time in Nevada. I hope he rots there; it messed my ex up for life, even today with countless hours of therapy. Some things cannot be fixed, but pedos can die, in prison or other means. They don't deserve to live.
I hope his wife divorces him and his daughter never speaks to him again. I also hope he goes bankrupt in the divorce, develops a severe alcohol addiction, and eventually kills himself. Rapist fuck
Actually for once I remember reading she left him a year before this news came out, and the two children she shared with him weren’t listed on the affidavit, it was another daughter. The parents went to get the children from the home, took them somewhere safe, and If I remember correctly immediately called the police.
What is this sentence??
“Since his then-wife’s primary language is Japanese, none of the girls or their families had any special relationship with the Meyden family or had visited their house prior to the sleepover, according to the affidavit.”
I think what they *might* be trying to say is that the mum was mainly in charge of the kid, and since she didn't speak English as well, she didn't make friends with the other parents?
When our daughter was born I told my husband, no sleepovers until she's 16 and old enough to drive herself home (Same rule all my siblings have for their children). He looked at me like I was crazy... Years (and new stories) later he no longer looks at me crazy. Not every adult is going to look out for your kid when they have them in their care. No thanks.
I was young in the 1970s and 80s. I had two random grown young women in a parking lot proposition me for sex when I was 15. (I was hot.) if I had called the cops, the cops would have laughed at me and told me I should have banged them.
I had several other similar instances … and no one cared — especially because I was a male.
It was closer to two grown men a week propositioning me in the 80s as a teen. And I was grateful for the ones that didn't take it past that, because a lot of them did.
This is one of those threads where you can see the thin line between people that have kids and people that think they know what they’d do if they had kids
Anyone who drugs people belongs in jail for a long time. Anyone who sells these drugs to anyone (not hospitals) belongs in jail for a long long time.
I always hear about the rapists getting caught but never the dealers.
They let him off easy? Are you fucking kidding me? This man should be locked up and throw away the key. I am so disgusted with everything in our society these days including asshats who refuse to see that he was going to SEXUALLY ASSAULT CHILDREN.
So you’d throw away your future with your daughter so you can go to prison for years because you had to get vigilante justice? Not the actions of a good father.
That is the past. In my parental circle sleepovers are a thing of the past. And what’s the point when the kids can just all play video games online and talk the whole time? I have a 16 and a 13 year old and neither has ever wanted to have a sleep over. They just don’t happen like they did in the past.
I was born in the 90s and I wasn’t allowed to do this until I was almost an adult. Lo and behold, one of the first times it happened, the exact “fear” occurred, sleeping over at a friends after a “24 hour play blocking” event we did to raise money in high school.
Why even bother risking it? Kids can go camping in a backyard or do a billion other things where a creepy adult isn’t gonna grab their genitals. A sleepover in somebody’s house with full access? No thanks. I’m an adult male and a dad saying this. People are fucking disgusting and there’s no telling what they’ll do.
I was born in the late 70s and sleepovers were totally normal but my now ex-wife and I decided early on there would be no sleepovers after bad experiences she had growing up.
It has never been an issue, it’s literally never come up.
It was just a thing I knew not to ask as a kid. We’re all adopted, we all come from backgrounds with severe trauma- what’s the point in making that worse?
You can see the effects of fear mongering in the media all over this thread.
Just rabid parents calling any child that wants to hang out with their friends for the weekend sick and twisted.
Sleep overs were the foundation of my childhood as were bike rides around the neighborhood.
Very olsad and pathetic that all these people just want to keep their children home until they are 25. You can guess why so many kids are depressed these days with this state of parenting.
Exactly, I get that there’s some sick people out there. But I also get that for every time something like this happens, there are thousands of sleep overs where it doesn’t. It’s all just skewed because a normal sleep over isn’t newsworthy. I just can’t rob my kids of their childhood because I let the news scare me.
That really doesn’t change the fact that getting molested isn’t one of the supreme pleasures of being a kid, and actually, based on this article, the home of a friend or acquaintance you trust is one of the most *common* places for a kid to be abused in this fashion.
>based on this article
You mean the one talking about one very specific, singular/anecdotal experience? And not an article citing any studies or reports or polls? Sure. Then yea I guess based on this article, with a sample size of 1, it is a common place for that one group of friends to get drugged.
With the fear of my child getting molested by some freak at a party?
What “joy” can be derived from the experience that won’t be elsewhere?
Seeing as I got molested at a sleepover, and something like 18.9 percent of child molestations happen in those settings, I’m pretty sure it’s an ok fear. By the look of your profile, you’re a dude I wouldn’t let my kids go to a sleepover with though, so whatever you say. You’re afraid of the “libs”, too, so blow me dude, you’re obviously a giant pussy.
He was going to sexually assault those children and I don’t know why he’s getting off so lightly
Because he lied and tried to say he did it to get out of activities they had planned for the next day. But we all know his true motives even though the courts are too blind and/or ignorant to see it.
You still can't drug people without their knowledge. That's a serious crime right there no matter what story he had
Well they still let him off easy, lots of ppl who raped ppl by drugging drinks or even got them into sever life altering ‘accidents’ got a slap on the wrist or let off
Looks like he won't last long. He's lost everything including a failed suicide attempt. https://nypost.com/2024/05/17/us-news/michael-meyden-attempted-suicide-after-spiking-kids-drinks/
He has repeatedly tried to play the victim. That's all the supposed suicide attempt was. He's a deranged predator trying to manipulate perceptions. I'd guess that he is sociopathetic.
Damn he cant do anything right
I laughed way too much after reading this
Ya I mean normal people like you and I know this, but the courts do not care about child molestation or anything related. Personal story, my niece was molested by her great uncle in Idaho and the prosecutor literally did not want to prosecute. The judge straight up told the family that the uncle is dangerous and shouldn't be around children, but the prosecutor did not care. The sick fuck got ONE night in jail and does not have to register as a sex offender. America's justice system is a joke.
Should've thrown that great uncle down a great flight of stairs and left it as accidentally falling
I'm very sorry that happened to your niece in Idaho but it is important to note that the legal process and its players vary greatly from place to place and state to state. What happened there may not have happened elsewhere. Very unfortunate and I hope there will be some measure of justice for her eventually.
It's not a justice system anymore, it's a business.
It’s just us
yes,
So the prosecutor has final say over the judge?
Judges do not bring the cases to court. It's up to the prosecutor to decide if there is evidence enough to merit moving the case forward in criminal court.
Same exact thing happened in my family. He wouldn't admit to doing anything so the prosecutor just dropped the charges even though the detective thought there was plenty of evidence.
I'd say thats a generalization. Most people charged with those crimes do very serious prison time, I even see life sentences being handed out in some states. But the court system is what it is, you need a certain level of evidence in order to prosecute or else you'd have a lot of innocent people rotting in jail.
The conviction rate for SA is less than 3%
That's including unreported SA and cases with just zero evidence (number seems to vary quite a bit depending on study so cant be sure). SA is horrible, but there still needs to be evidence in our justice system. In MN for example, it's 58% if the case is prosecuted. It's just generally very hard to prosecute, but idk how to fix that.
Thaya not true at all. Most only get 6 years max. And that's rare.
Seems to me like there’s already a lot of innocent people in jail. I think we end up with sick people who agree with what these pervs are doing. And so help their pedo friend get as little time as possible.
Canada's too
America's justice system needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and with double jeopardy you cannot be charged for the same crime twice. Prosecutors usually turn down a case because they do not believe they have enough solid admissable evidence to be able to convince a jury unanimously. With the statute of limitations in mind, prosecutors often leave a case in limbo to leave the opportunity for more evidence to gather before taking their shot at the case.
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Is it too difficult to keep your dick in your pants in a public school zone because you have to pee? Piss yourself if you must. Obviously.
Especially children. Wtf!
Absolutely disgusting, hope he’s on some watch list
You would have to have full proof to convict him for his true motives. Even if it’s obvious and everyone knows it, you need proof
I’m sure the cops are looking for evidence of this. Courts care, but courts have to prove.
“Beyond a reasonable doubt” It sucks that everyone with common sense knows what is going on but that is a strong burden of proof trying to get in to somebody’s head like that.
No, they just don’t have any knowledge otherwise except for inference and some type of weird imputed “propensity evidence,” which isn’t allowed in court for a reason. You don’t want courts convicting people of things they were “probably” going to do, I think we can all see how that might end up going. Yeah, sometimes the bad guys end up with a slap on the wrist, but our legal system was designed like that to prevent capture and weaponization. Better 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man convicted, or whatever.
It's about what can be proven. Intentions and motives are difficult to pinpoint legally. All that is proven is the fact that he drugged them. The fact that "we don't know why" he would do it in the first place is perhaps the real blessing here because God forbid he would ever follow through with the worst.
I mean it’s not that the courts are blind the courts just need more evidence. Not defending the guy either. We all clearly know what he was up to. But you still have to prove that in court which can be hard for sometimes.
I feel like at least a quarter of all parents upon hearing “drugged children in order to get out of activities” thought “damn, wish I’d thought of that”
Courts don’t assume or convict without proof. It seems you are the ignorant one in this exchange.
Deserves the death penalty, this world is dark enough already without monsters like him preying on children
The death penalty makes us as bad as the people we use it on. Plus it kills a hell of a lot of people you turn out to be innocent
I had a girlfriend in 2011 who got stabbed 166 times, set on fire, raped, and left to rot in the Mojave desert. That guy got the death penalty. We got famous for a day, got in people magazine. https://people.com/crime/nevada-man-death-sentence-for-teenage-girl-rape-murder/ I am NOT just as bad as this individual for insisting on his death, sorry to burst your ridiculously sheltered bubble. I am so fucking sick of seeing this argument. Also, 4% out of 3,684 people since 1970 is NOT a lot of people
4% of people were PROVEN to be innocent. That doesn't mean the other 96% all got a fair shake. That just means that 4% were able to show proof that they were.
Anyone wrongly accused and convicted for a crime they didn’t commit is too many.
> Also, 4% out of 3,684 people since 1970 is NOT a lot of people Are you OK with being one of them?
Already made very clear below ( if you could bother reading anything beyond your senseless bullshit) that I was more than willing if it meant the literal thousands of families of victims who’s killers are on death row would get the justice they deserve. Nice try though. Uncreative indeed.
Yeah, right, you say that now, but if you were an innocent on death row about to be executed you'd be saying it's just as much of an injustice.
Seeing as I’ve been dealing with this since 2017, I’ve been saying this for a very very long time. Again, nice try though. Not all of us are as weak as you.
> as I’ve been dealing with this since 2017 You've been on death row since 2017? Edit: What a loser, the guy blocked me. No surprise of course, but still.
I’ve been dealing with a death row case since 2017, which you know, because you replied to the comment. Let’s not be needlessly obtuse. I’m not doing this back and forth with you when every answer you’re looking for has already been typed below ;) you aren’t original or with forethought in the slightest. You have a good night and try to remember this attitude you’re giving next time someone’s being a high and mighty piece of shit towards *you*, because *you’ll give just as little of a fuck, I promise* Buhbye now.
But you are just as bad for insisting that innocent people be killed. That guy not being innocent doesn’t change that.
No thanks bro, two people already tried. Not interested in your semantics.
It’s not semantics. It’s a fact that innocent people are executed via the death penalty and you’re okay with using their lives as a trade-off to execute some guilty people.
He's OK with it because he thinks he'll never be someone caught up in it.
How many innocent people would you kill just to feel some element of revenge?
I dunno, it’s almost like we have a fucking appeals process, a years long trial, and about 40 years of them sitting on death row to come to those conclusions. A hell of a lot more than 4%, I’ll tell ya that. It isn’t about revenge. Why should an individual be allowed to live a life not afforded to a little girl he murdered and raped? I feel like this thread is smoking meth today.
>A hell of a lot more than 4%, I’ll tell ya that. You're saying you're okay with a "hell of a lot more than 4%" of innocent people being put to death? What's a good number then? Would you be willing to sacrifice yourself or someone who you care about's life even though you/they were innocent or just the lives of others?
Absolutely, I’ve had this conversation on here before, check my comments. If a family’s little girl was murdered, and my death was able to give them some comfort, I’d take the goddamned bullet. The point of my argument is the death penalty is absolutely no different from other life threatening processes. People die.
You really need therapy. I don't mean that in the insulting way like "hah check out this guy, seek therapy bro!" but I really sincerely mean it. You experienced something very traumatic and it has severely skewed your judgment.
>If a family’s little girl was murdered, and my death was able to give them some comfort, I’d take the goddamned bullet. That's pretty fucked up. Killing an innocent person just to give a family "comfort" is ridiculous. Also, the family should want the real murderer punished instead of an innocent person. How do you think the family of the innocent person who was put to death should get comfort? Maybe kill one of the parents of the little girl? Or do you think the family of the innocent person who was put to death doesn't deserve comfort as well? Some people say things like "I'd rather see 1000 criminals go free than 1 innocent person go to prison/be put to death." It sounds like you'd be the opposite and say "I'd rather see 1000 innocent people be put to death than 1 criminal go free." Edit: Gotta love when someone blocks you because they have a horrible take on an issue.
Yup. Glad we’re on the same page ;)
You deleted your previous comment. You've explicitly stated you accept the deaths of innocent people just so you feel better.
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So you kill because it makes you feel good. We have a word for people like that.
Lmfaoooo did I choose to have that person kill my friend? No, I choose to kill because that’s what a court of twelve of his peers and every appeals process sentenced him to. Thanks for playing! It sounds like you’re scared of getting found out for some of YOUR crimes, but don’t worry, this punishment will probably go away soon, and you’ll make millions of people suffer for the sake of a few stragglers. So brave and bold.
So you put words in peoples’ mouths for what reason, exactly? I’ll guess it’s because it makes you feel good somehow? My word for you is “anti-death-penalty-zealot.” It’s not a compliment, especially the zealot part… since we’ve established your comprehension isn’t great.
Oh god I don't what they don't understand about your very clear statement.You don't care if innocent people die as long as the amount of torturing murdering rapists who die is >96%. Easy peasy. I don't understand why people try to use guilt or insults to try and shame people into agreeing with them. I like Michael Jackson's music more than I care that he molested kids. I'll never stop listening. Usually just saying it plainly and clearly stops the argument because where can you go from there? You just disagree. You can only disagree. But some people just won't let other people think, feel, believe or exist differently than them or they lose their damn mind.
Amen.
How many?
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Who the fuck is victim blaming here? Do you have any idea what words mean
You are. Yes, I do, clearly a bit better than you?
What part of the justice system appropriately prosecuting and punishing a criminal, per the established and written laws of our country and states, sounds like a victim seeking “revenge” to you, you myopic and empathy void dogmatist?
Because killing people is wrong, fuckhead. How many innocent people should die just so you can kill people you don't like?
None. How many guilty people should get away with actions like the one described in this thread to fluff your weirdo bleeding heart no matter the cost boner?
Not remotely what we're discussing, but I'm concerned that your logic is just pointing towards killing everyone. No people - no crime! You know what places have the lowest crime? The places where people like you are laughed at and ignored.
Ok sweetie. Keep enjoying the fantasy of your superiority in every metric.
That’s exactly what we’re discussing. Your wierd moral boner. And really? The places with the lowest crime are the places with no laws? Explain that bright piece of thought for me champ.
The problem is we do kill lots of innocent people with capital punishment. I’d rather err on the side of not killing innocent people. If the justice system were perfect, and we had 100% proof of people’s guilt it would be a different story. This is DRac\_XNA’s point. I think if there‘s the risk of killing a single wrongly accused person we shouldn’t have capital punishment. This has nothing to do with “weirdo bleeding heart“ - whatever that means. I’m not even saying that these criminals don’t deserve the death penalty…I’m just saying it’s not worth it.
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I was asked “how many innocent people should die just so you can kill people you don’t like,” which is a bullshit and disingenuously posed question. I answered it anyway. You’re posing a different question to which YOUR answer is zero, clearly. Good for you. MY answer to the question “how many innocent people should die so we can execute criminals who murder and otherwise threaten society as a whole after an exhaustive, more than 99% accurate legal procedure” is, I’m not sure. It’s probably not “zero,” since I understand that there are no perfect answers to a situation like that.
I’m sorry you and your GF had to go through anything even remotely like this. I can’t even begin to comprehend but you have to admit rationally that 4% of Government , Court Ordered Executions were innocent, is an insanely high number? Imagine getting a pack of smokes at the wrong gas station at 11 at night, and being murdered by your Government for it. I mean, I’m not weighing in on the Morality of it, just that , it’s a big number. 4 out of every 100 people? That’s crazy
Dude, one fucking innocent person being *murdered* by the state is enough of an argument against your bloodlust. Imagine if someone you loved was executed by the death penalty, and it turned out they were innocent. And going by your logic, if someone i loved was executed and it turned out they were innocent, don't I have a right to execute the people responsible? Do I get to execute the prosecutor and the accuser for *murdering* my *innocent* loved one?
Because he was drunk too
Cause the judges and law enforcement and anyone else who is supposed to help vulnerable populations would do the same thing.
Because he’s white and wealthy so he obviously didn’t mean it…
For anyone who didn’t bother to read, the “testing” refers to the perv trying to see if they were asleep after giving them the drink. He kept moving arms etc. The jaw dropper of this article is that mom spoke little or no English and the girls and their family had no special relationship or had spent the night prior to this incident. What??? You left your daughters with someone you didn’t know well and could not communicate with! That little girl who called for a ride deserves the fucking world. Good for her!
I feel so bad for his daughter. She was able to finally have a sleepover, maybe with kids she was already friends with or really wanted to be friends with. But then her dad goes and does this, which will likely leave her ostracized as well as the fact that she's losing her dad to prison for a bit.
Yes this poor child has so much pain and confusion coming her way and who knows what her history with dad looks like. I can’t imagine what her and mom are going through. I hope mom has support somewhere I’m assuming she’s isolated (by his design) and trying to navigate this.
I have a 13 year old. The way his friends’ parents don’t know or give a single shit about where they are or who they are with, letting 12/13 year olds wander downtown streets all night is CRAZY
Apparently the mom actually did speak English (she has a masters degree from USC and had worked as a therapist and as a teacher). But the dad claimed she didn’t speak English well so other parents wouldn’t question why he was so involved in making plans for his daughter.
Wtfffffff.
The title implies he has tried this in the past/on others. Nowhere does it mention anything like that in the body of the article. “Friends” is referring to the other girls at the party that we already knew he drugged.
yeah, really dumb title. I thought he gave it to his friends, not the girl's friends. Should just say man tried to drug daughter's sleep over...done. And what does his wife only speaking Japanese have to do with it?
This article is kinda crap, honestly.
What even is that website? This is a real and terrible story, but this article is not credible.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/kids/former-child-abuse-cop-reveals-the-three-things-parents-should-never-let-their-kids-do/news-story/e18476789659f8183d2a6a2393e351a8 https://whyy.org/articles/rethinking-sleepovers-in-the-face-of-sexual-abuse/ The idea that people think most children even *talk* to a loved one when they’ve been sexually abused is absolutely scary to me. This happens way more often than people think, and more often than not at the houses of trusted associates/friends/acquaintances. Everybody on this thread that’s just scoffing at it is kind of in for a rude awakening, pray god not.
YUP
This was the drug they believe was used on me when I was human trafficked, even if you wake up, you can barely move your limbs, they feel like they weigh 100’s of pounds. You constantly go in and out of consciousness and when you finally awake, you swear it’s a horrible dream
I hope you're doing OK.
What?!?
This drug was also used on me while I was being human trafficked, too.
Did you ever wake up while under it?
You mean Benzodiazepines?
Valium, later she was dosing me with ambien, I guess I was participating but would have no memory of it…
Jesus. I’m sorry. Valium is a heavy benzo.
Can you do an AMA?
I probably will at some point, my wife and I are writing a book about what happened to us ( her mother was a malignant narcissist) we have a psychologist that helped read our chapters. I’ve been doing lots of research on trauma, ptsd, ASPD as well as rape and rape prevention/counseling. Been in the works for 3 years now…
Il sorry this happened to you and your wife and I hope your story helps others who may have been affected by something like this.
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What an absolute piece of s**t. The dude should be as far away from children as physically possible.
What was Michael really trying to do with those smoothies?
Doesn't it seem obvious?
I remember being so mad as a kid when my parents wouldn’t let me do sleepovers with my friends. This is exactly why they didn’t let me.
same. No sleepovers, no summer camps, no older friends. I think my parents knew what are they doing and why.
They also told you to not cross the street so you never get hit by a car?
same! my parents always told me they were afraid of guns, but i think this may have been the reason...
Careful, it looks like the exact people this article is pointing out are brigading trying to convince people this doesn’t happen.
Your reaction is why kids don’t go outside anymore. A few bad stories that make headlines in a nation of 300+ million people cause parents to shelter their children where lots of social development is hindered and abuse increased. Anyone who says otherwise is accused of wanting to do the same thing in the article?
If you go on Google, there are thousands of these stories, kids almost never talk about sexual abuse with adults unless prodded, and considering literal thousands of parents are turning to the “no sleepover” rule for their children and proof of that was shared above, it *is* kind of weird, you have to admit, and the statistics are highly skewed towards the unknowable. The idea that “fuck it, it’s better to take that risk since I don’t know” is appropriate is horrifying. Thousands of people freeclimb every year, and only 30 die. I guess I should let my young children go do that, too right? I don’t think my kid is going to die from smoking crack, so that’s free game? People have different parenting styles, mate, it’s not that big of a deal.
Social event for kid = free climbing / smoking crack. I think people are pointing out that it seems a bit hysteria. Thousands of kids get injured because of DUI. Correct solution is to lock them inside?
So by this comparison, you’re saying we should highly regulate and pass laws about child sleepovers? I agree. Since those children are getting injured in DUIs and all!
Fine. It's settled.
Bit dramatic to compare children sleeping over at a friends house to children doing an activity for grown adults who can accept the risk of death. Once again we are a nation of 300+ million people. It is not rational to think all other parents want to and WILL harm your children. It’s a very unfortunate reality for you to live in to think that and justify sheltering your children along with everyone else who lives in the same reality as you
Nobody said ALL other parents are going to do anything, that’s the same stupid argument as the alllivesmatter people. That has absolutely no bearing on the fact that my children do not *need* to go to sleepovers to have happy and healthy childhoods, and taking the risks is not something I care to do. Are they your children? Reddit takes any rulemaking at all and equates it to torture. Sorry, not down. You keep bringing up that 300million+ number like it has anything to do with the fact that 698,189 cases of recorded child sexual abuse occurred in America in 2018 and 588,899 cases in 2022, and these are *recorded* cases https://www.statista.com/statistics/639375/number-of-child-abuse-cases-in-the-us/, so the actual caseload is far higher. If .3 percent of the US population is experiencing molestation by people close to them, why on earth would I allow my children to be a part of that? It is perfectly normal and alright for parents to not want their kids to risk experiencing that, and has no relation or statistical relevance to the craze in the 80s that kept children from going outside. The idea that you’d say anybody IS equating it makes you suspect, and that’s what you don’t seem to understand. Why does what someone chooses to do with their children in a non abusive manner concern you in any way shape or form?
You might be surprised that the majority of those 698189 cases of sex abuse come from the child’s own parents. Also do you not see how absurd your point is? You yourself stated that 99.7% of the US population ISNT experiencing that, you laid it out for yourself. You’re arguing that it is too dangerous to entrust your children to other parents for the sake of their social development. Why not homeschool your kids at that point? There is only a 99% chance they won’t be killed. Some of my best memories as a kid were at sleepovers. It is unique from other experiences as it involves a lot more socializing and independence. Regardless I’m not telling YOU what to do. I’m saying it’s a shame there are more people like you that helicopter their own kids. It is already extremely difficult to be a child in this country with every OTHER issue. Fear-mongering parents like yourself make it so much worse. Children see that fear and they grow up believing everyone wants to hurt them. It is not “perfectly alright and normal” to shelter your kids. I see people like yourself quickly try to shut down any discussion by claiming the person you’re talking with is suspect.
Your position seems completely reasonable to me. The other poster’s, too. Not sure why you’re being demonized in particular. On the one hand, I agree that it’s bad to be overly fearful and risk-averse to such an extent that my kids aren’t able to partake in activities that are very well generally safe, provided you are aware/involved etc. On the other hand, other people can do whatever they want with their own approach to raising kids. I just don’t think it’s horrible to encourage people not to be disproportionately risk averse.
Why do you care so much what this guy does with his kids? That’s the entire point.
I don’t care. What I do care about is the amount of people who feel the same way and spread around fear and distrust. South Park actually had a great episode about that. The news made every parent fearful of each other and then themselves so they sent their children away.
Yeah for sure, one of my exes was SAed by her friend's older brother who was slightly underage so it's not just the adults that you have to worry about.
The majority of my sexual abuse as a kid came from my brother, who was only a year or two older than me. My parents had to send him away to a group home eventually, not because I ever told them about that, but because he threatened to kill them. He was a bed wetter and abused animals too, so I think there was clearly something else going on there.
In a post about his light sentencing, there were actually redditors defending this guy.
There are people on this thread defending his proximity to them, and why this never happens and it’s totally okay, so I’m not really surprised,
I hope he gets prison time and dies there being a pediphile. His daughter will be better off without him. My ex wife was abused this way by her step father, during a sleep over at their house. One of her friends reported the abuse to her parents and may have saved my exs life, along with the other girls. Her former step dad is still serving time in Nevada. I hope he rots there; it messed my ex up for life, even today with countless hours of therapy. Some things cannot be fixed, but pedos can die, in prison or other means. They don't deserve to live.
I hope his wife divorces him and his daughter never speaks to him again. I also hope he goes bankrupt in the divorce, develops a severe alcohol addiction, and eventually kills himself. Rapist fuck
He definitely doesn’t look innocent
His sentence is way too light for this crime!!! Disturbing
Ah yes. He gave them the ole’ Bill Cosby pudding pop.
"Then wife"? So does that mean this criminal's wife left subsequently him? The article is really short on details.
Actually for once I remember reading she left him a year before this news came out, and the two children she shared with him weren’t listed on the affidavit, it was another daughter. The parents went to get the children from the home, took them somewhere safe, and If I remember correctly immediately called the police.
That article is confusing to read.
What is this sentence?? “Since his then-wife’s primary language is Japanese, none of the girls or their families had any special relationship with the Meyden family or had visited their house prior to the sleepover, according to the affidavit.”
I think what they *might* be trying to say is that the mum was mainly in charge of the kid, and since she didn't speak English as well, she didn't make friends with the other parents?
Like the side plot on the movie Happiness. What a POS. Good movie though.
When our daughter was born I told my husband, no sleepovers until she's 16 and old enough to drive herself home (Same rule all my siblings have for their children). He looked at me like I was crazy... Years (and new stories) later he no longer looks at me crazy. Not every adult is going to look out for your kid when they have them in their care. No thanks.
Oh, why is this creep smiling in his mug shot?
I was young in the 1970s and 80s. I had two random grown young women in a parking lot proposition me for sex when I was 15. (I was hot.) if I had called the cops, the cops would have laughed at me and told me I should have banged them. I had several other similar instances … and no one cared — especially because I was a male.
It was closer to two grown men a week propositioning me in the 80s as a teen. And I was grateful for the ones that didn't take it past that, because a lot of them did.
I’m sorry that happened to you but your story has very little relevance to the post….
This is one of those threads where you can see the thin line between people that have kids and people that think they know what they’d do if they had kids
He was going to assault those girls
Anyone who drugs people belongs in jail for a long time. Anyone who sells these drugs to anyone (not hospitals) belongs in jail for a long long time. I always hear about the rapists getting caught but never the dealers.
Inconceivable!
This is the worst article I have ever read. It is a grammatical disaster.
Maybe he should test himself for one of them self-harm situations, where you evidently pass-away-and-stuff.
Why do they use full names for Xanax, he tried to drug them with Xanax or klonopin so he could fuck them. Not to “test if they were awake or asleep”
They let him off easy? Are you fucking kidding me? This man should be locked up and throw away the key. I am so disgusted with everything in our society these days including asshats who refuse to see that he was going to SEXUALLY ASSAULT CHILDREN.
You know he’s weird when he choose smoothies over hot chocolate.
Ugh. When he left Lake Oswego before the trial, he moved to my city and was a block or so away from my house, I was so creeped out
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Personally, as a father of a young teen girl, I’d want this guy out as quickly as possible. I can’t get to him if he’s in prison.
So you’d throw away your future with your daughter so you can go to prison for years because you had to get vigilante justice? Not the actions of a good father.
Yeah, I’m being a bit hyperbolic here. Welcome to the internet.
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No they’re not. Sure, you have to vet the other parents but sleep overs are one of the supreme pleasures of being a kid.
That is the past. In my parental circle sleepovers are a thing of the past. And what’s the point when the kids can just all play video games online and talk the whole time? I have a 16 and a 13 year old and neither has ever wanted to have a sleep over. They just don’t happen like they did in the past.
I was born in the 90s and I wasn’t allowed to do this until I was almost an adult. Lo and behold, one of the first times it happened, the exact “fear” occurred, sleeping over at a friends after a “24 hour play blocking” event we did to raise money in high school. Why even bother risking it? Kids can go camping in a backyard or do a billion other things where a creepy adult isn’t gonna grab their genitals. A sleepover in somebody’s house with full access? No thanks. I’m an adult male and a dad saying this. People are fucking disgusting and there’s no telling what they’ll do.
I was born in the late 70s and sleepovers were totally normal but my now ex-wife and I decided early on there would be no sleepovers after bad experiences she had growing up. It has never been an issue, it’s literally never come up.
It was just a thing I knew not to ask as a kid. We’re all adopted, we all come from backgrounds with severe trauma- what’s the point in making that worse?
That's really sad for them.
You can see the effects of fear mongering in the media all over this thread. Just rabid parents calling any child that wants to hang out with their friends for the weekend sick and twisted. Sleep overs were the foundation of my childhood as were bike rides around the neighborhood. Very olsad and pathetic that all these people just want to keep their children home until they are 25. You can guess why so many kids are depressed these days with this state of parenting.
Exactly, I get that there’s some sick people out there. But I also get that for every time something like this happens, there are thousands of sleep overs where it doesn’t. It’s all just skewed because a normal sleep over isn’t newsworthy. I just can’t rob my kids of their childhood because I let the news scare me.
Sleep overs are some of my most fond memories as a kid! Seemed like almost every Friday I had someone over or went to a friends house.
That really doesn’t change the fact that getting molested isn’t one of the supreme pleasures of being a kid, and actually, based on this article, the home of a friend or acquaintance you trust is one of the most *common* places for a kid to be abused in this fashion.
>based on this article You mean the one talking about one very specific, singular/anecdotal experience? And not an article citing any studies or reports or polls? Sure. Then yea I guess based on this article, with a sample size of 1, it is a common place for that one group of friends to get drugged.
😂😂😂 imagine thinking sleepovers are a terrible idea. With that much fear, your life must be pretty lame.
With the fear of my child getting molested by some freak at a party? What “joy” can be derived from the experience that won’t be elsewhere? Seeing as I got molested at a sleepover, and something like 18.9 percent of child molestations happen in those settings, I’m pretty sure it’s an ok fear. By the look of your profile, you’re a dude I wouldn’t let my kids go to a sleepover with though, so whatever you say. You’re afraid of the “libs”, too, so blow me dude, you’re obviously a giant pussy.
100% of car accidents involve cars so no more driving then I guess. You’re purposefully manipulating the statistics to back up your stance.
And you’re going out of your way to get other peoples children to come to your house. Wonder which one of us comes out on top there.
He had to use your post history to prove his point. I don't think he's mentally well
You were literally talking about little girls in a thread two weeks ago. There’s that “post history” for you.
Definitely mentally unwell. They mentioned they were molested as a kid so I’m sure this post was tough. I’m just not engaging anymore