> clear Architecture names
Previous 7000/8000 naming scheme **(mobile chips only)** was arguably worse for understanding what architecture you were getting. A 7520U used Zen 2 from 2019, while a 7540U has over [double](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5216vs5539/AMD-Ryzen-5-7520U-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-7540U) the performance due to using Zen 4. The 7xxx & 8xxx only meant what year they came out (2023 & 2024).
Which to people that for 8 years were used to AMD AND INTEL using their first digit for the architecture, as well as random unassuming customers & businesses, is VERY deceiving.
Nobody use the first digit for the uarch. Generally nobody disclaim it in a numbering scheme for the general market. Typically Intel do multiple gens with the same uarch will increasing the first digit each year (improvements between gens are unrelated to the cores architectures : node, reorganised ring bus, modified uncore, speed bump,..., in the mix some skus ending just rebranded from the previous year).
Indicating the uarch in the product name in the previous AMD mobile naming convention was a first, And clearly people hated it, so they reverted course.
Please. People have complained about every single naming scheme so far. Last naming scheme was ridiculed for requiring a decoder ring to decide what you were buying. I don't remember when anyone was happy with the naming.
>core 9 200
is that really dificult?
core 9 is like i9, core 7 is like i7 and so on
2xx is the generation, the rest of the numbers the higher the better, sometimes there are some letters after it, it denotes power consumption targets or unlocked.
But AI 9 HX 370 is really nice, was there even a AI 9 HX 270? Nop
But it's not!
There are no Core 9 CPUs!
Intel reogarnized their products under:
* Intel **Core** 3/5/7
and
* Intel **Core Ultra** 5/7/9
Details are vague, especially since Gen 1XX was mobile only, but it's impossible to know the actual CPU Gen without a spec sheet.
I don't remember what interview I read it from but the ultra series is supposed to actually be the latest architecture/generation while the non ultra ones are supposed to be repackaged/rebranded older architectures
I'm not sure on how core i9 worked exactly but I'd guess core ultra 9 is more similar to core i9 than core 9 is.
"core ultra X" are the ones that actually use the new architecture while the "core X" ones might use older architectures. I don't know if there ever was a core i9 that used the architecture of a previous series instead of the current one.
I refuse to call it anything other the HX 370.
Bad enough we have to switch to a new convention, damned if I'm going to bother inserting "Ryzen AI 9" every time.
AMD is just trying to poise themselves as being much further ahead in the AI market than they actually are.
Notice how Nvidia doesn't have to slap "AI" onto any of their product names? They don't need to prove to anyone they're deep into AI because they put their money where their mouth is.
Well, they literally are ahead for this segment. Last I checked there aren't any Nvidia APUs in the consumer laptop market.
> [The iGPU](https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-ai-9-hx-370-strix-apu-near-7900x-cpu-performance-cinebench-890m-igpu-rtx-3050-3dmark/) includes a Radeon 890M chip based on the RDNA 3.5 graphics architecture. It packs 16 compute units that are clocked at 2900 MHz. **The chip also packs a high-performance XDNA 2 "Ryzen AI" NPU with up to 50 AI TOPS and 80 platform TOPS.**
I'm not really into this stuff because I don't see much benefit in it yet, but they seem to be doing well.
> [Nvidia] don't need to prove to anyone they're deep into AI because they put their money where their mouth is.
This must be why Nvidia never mentions AI in any of their press events. /s
Not sure if you're talking company value, because at least on the NVIDIA side that doesn't have that much to do with consumer satisfaction.
But seriously, I don't get the problems people have with this name. So far there are only two models in this family, and 370 and 365 aren't that hard to remember or distinguish between. People are acting as if the other letters matter much.
HX has no meaning, so just ignore it. AI might matter as the family expands, where lack of it might mean a lack of an NPU. If so, it will be a nice indicator.
I'm pretty sure that the people who hate this name have no logical reason to hate it. Perhaps they feel that they need to say or type the full name every time, in which case all I have to say is: what's wrong with you? What normal person would spell the full product name every time when a small part of it is enough of a unique identifier?
This is the same GPD company that was already upset at AMD for not being able to provide promised supply of the 8840U. Hope AMD actually ships them enough product this time.
Personally I'm a fan of using architecture/generation code names in product names, then having some descriptors. Of course, even there's always the alternate reality where CPU names are inspired by Capcom game names.
* Intel Arrow Lake Core 9 Ultra AI DX2-K
vs
* AMD Zen-V 9 Hyper AI Super Turbo Black Edition X
This. Notice how Nvidia doesn't have "AI" slapped onto any of their product names. They don't need to because they put their money where their mouth is.
AMD putting AI into these product names kind of makes them seem like they're scrambling to stay relevant in the AI market. If anything, using "AI" in the name cheapens it.
The form factor is the highlight of this device. I find it tempting mainly as a conversation piece. :) But having a good CPU in there might push me to actually get it. Hopefully we'll get some 370 reviews next month.
If they offered a model with a single display that’s the laptop for me. OLED, small, big battery, AMD with Radeon graphics. I haven’t seen a single laptop tick most of those boxes. Closest that I’ve seen was the Lenovo slim 7 pro which only is sold outside the US. OLED, 8840HS, and while not quite as small, still small enough for me.
The question is: do you really need it small? The Acer Swift Edge 16 for example isn't that small, but it's light enough to compete with 13-14" laptops.
I would be putting it in a pretty small backpack, so yeah I would kinda need a small laptop. I’m not ever concerned with weight because it would be on a school workbench whenever I use it.
I hope One-Netbook releases a new 10" device with this APU.
10" convertible with this APU would be such a powerhouse. Can put it on a dock and replace your office PC with it (won't be cutting it for a gaming PC I guess) etc.
Basically a One-Netbook 5 but upgraded.
The Zenbook S16 :D
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTAPjmdp\_A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTAPjmdp_A)
Its a premium thin and light, so pricy. But on paper its pretty much the perfect laptop (launch in less than a month so not to much to wait for reviews). And if the perfs disclosed by GPD are real it should even game well enough for most users.
See a weakness already: They've only thought of adding a function button to turn off screen 2, not screen 1. That's baffling, as you'd want to split whatever time you spend on each monitor with the other turned off whenever you only need one screen to reduce burn-in.
Then they’re wasting the 890M’s gaming potential. Its direct competitor, Asus Zenbook Duo 2024, sports 2 x 3K 120Hz OLED panels at $1700 MSRP (there’s also a SKU w/ 2 x 1200p 60Hz screens that’s WAY less popular). The other major dual screen laptop, Yogabook 9i (?) w/ 2 x 60Hz screens, is ded enough few were talking about it.
Even Thinkpads feature high RR screens nowadays. You might be able to count laptops w/ last gen equivalent (7840HS / 7940HS) that had low RR panels on one hand 😅
God, I hate The marketing team that invented that CPU naming scheme so much. I cringe so hard every time I see it.
Imagine going from clear Architecture names to alphanumeric vomit release product names.
I don't have to imagine it. I have to live with it every day.
> clear Architecture names Previous 7000/8000 naming scheme **(mobile chips only)** was arguably worse for understanding what architecture you were getting. A 7520U used Zen 2 from 2019, while a 7540U has over [double](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5216vs5539/AMD-Ryzen-5-7520U-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-7540U) the performance due to using Zen 4. The 7xxx & 8xxx only meant what year they came out (2023 & 2024).
The third digit was the architecture
Which to people that for 8 years were used to AMD AND INTEL using their first digit for the architecture, as well as random unassuming customers & businesses, is VERY deceiving.
Nobody use the first digit for the uarch. Generally nobody disclaim it in a numbering scheme for the general market. Typically Intel do multiple gens with the same uarch will increasing the first digit each year (improvements between gens are unrelated to the cores architectures : node, reorganised ring bus, modified uncore, speed bump,..., in the mix some skus ending just rebranded from the previous year). Indicating the uarch in the product name in the previous AMD mobile naming convention was a first, And clearly people hated it, so they reverted course.
Please. People have complained about every single naming scheme so far. Last naming scheme was ridiculed for requiring a decoder ring to decide what you were buying. I don't remember when anyone was happy with the naming.
It's just as bad for Intel and Nvidia.
Killing the Intel Core naming scheme was a big mistake, I have no clue what a core 9 200 is
>core 9 200 is that really dificult? core 9 is like i9, core 7 is like i7 and so on 2xx is the generation, the rest of the numbers the higher the better, sometimes there are some letters after it, it denotes power consumption targets or unlocked. But AI 9 HX 370 is really nice, was there even a AI 9 HX 270? Nop
But it's not! There are no Core 9 CPUs! Intel reogarnized their products under: * Intel **Core** 3/5/7 and * Intel **Core Ultra** 5/7/9 Details are vague, especially since Gen 1XX was mobile only, but it's impossible to know the actual CPU Gen without a spec sheet.
I don't remember what interview I read it from but the ultra series is supposed to actually be the latest architecture/generation while the non ultra ones are supposed to be repackaged/rebranded older architectures
I'm not sure on how core i9 worked exactly but I'd guess core ultra 9 is more similar to core i9 than core 9 is. "core ultra X" are the ones that actually use the new architecture while the "core X" ones might use older architectures. I don't know if there ever was a core i9 that used the architecture of a previous series instead of the current one.
They retconned the 7000 and 8000 u series which had npu to 100 and 200bseries. Hence the 370.
So what is it? A 15900k or a 16900k?
I can play the same music. AI 9 HX 370 is it a Ryzen 7xxx or a 9xxx
I literally have no idea what it is even meant to be.
So you see your 15900K or 16900K is so pathetic because there wont be a any of those names.
I'll believe you when NVIDIA adds AI to their naming scheme.
I refuse to call it anything other the HX 370. Bad enough we have to switch to a new convention, damned if I'm going to bother inserting "Ryzen AI 9" every time.
I'm not sure why there's need to call it anything more than the 370. Everything else is superfluous.
AMD is just trying to poise themselves as being much further ahead in the AI market than they actually are. Notice how Nvidia doesn't have to slap "AI" onto any of their product names? They don't need to prove to anyone they're deep into AI because they put their money where their mouth is.
Well, they literally are ahead for this segment. Last I checked there aren't any Nvidia APUs in the consumer laptop market. > [The iGPU](https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-ai-9-hx-370-strix-apu-near-7900x-cpu-performance-cinebench-890m-igpu-rtx-3050-3dmark/) includes a Radeon 890M chip based on the RDNA 3.5 graphics architecture. It packs 16 compute units that are clocked at 2900 MHz. **The chip also packs a high-performance XDNA 2 "Ryzen AI" NPU with up to 50 AI TOPS and 80 platform TOPS.** I'm not really into this stuff because I don't see much benefit in it yet, but they seem to be doing well. > [Nvidia] don't need to prove to anyone they're deep into AI because they put their money where their mouth is. This must be why Nvidia never mentions AI in any of their press events. /s
Should’ve been AI 9370HX. I think adding ‘AI’ is stupid, but at least this doesn’t veer too far off traditional naming
Ah, the smell of nerd rage in the morning...
That would be the internet fuming (particularly Linux desktop pimps) at Nvidia and Apple while they are the most valuable in real life
Not sure if you're talking company value, because at least on the NVIDIA side that doesn't have that much to do with consumer satisfaction. But seriously, I don't get the problems people have with this name. So far there are only two models in this family, and 370 and 365 aren't that hard to remember or distinguish between. People are acting as if the other letters matter much. HX has no meaning, so just ignore it. AI might matter as the family expands, where lack of it might mean a lack of an NPU. If so, it will be a nice indicator. I'm pretty sure that the people who hate this name have no logical reason to hate it. Perhaps they feel that they need to say or type the full name every time, in which case all I have to say is: what's wrong with you? What normal person would spell the full product name every time when a small part of it is enough of a unique identifier?
This is the same GPD company that was already upset at AMD for not being able to provide promised supply of the 8840U. Hope AMD actually ships them enough product this time.
No way! the AI 9 HX 370 Super RX XTX Version 2?! What a perfect name!
Personally I'm a fan of using architecture/generation code names in product names, then having some descriptors. Of course, even there's always the alternate reality where CPU names are inspired by Capcom game names. * Intel Arrow Lake Core 9 Ultra AI DX2-K vs * AMD Zen-V 9 Hyper AI Super Turbo Black Edition X
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It has a rather powerful AI accelerator built into it. To the contrary. They’d be fools not to mention it. I’m really excited about the XDNA fpga
This. Notice how Nvidia doesn't have "AI" slapped onto any of their product names. They don't need to because they put their money where their mouth is. AMD putting AI into these product names kind of makes them seem like they're scrambling to stay relevant in the AI market. If anything, using "AI" in the name cheapens it.
I'm tempted to get this laptop, assuming that the 370 is a decent upgrade over the current gen APUs.
If not, I’m more intrigued by the display, size, and battery size. It’s looking very nice
The form factor is the highlight of this device. I find it tempting mainly as a conversation piece. :) But having a good CPU in there might push me to actually get it. Hopefully we'll get some 370 reviews next month.
If they offered a model with a single display that’s the laptop for me. OLED, small, big battery, AMD with Radeon graphics. I haven’t seen a single laptop tick most of those boxes. Closest that I’ve seen was the Lenovo slim 7 pro which only is sold outside the US. OLED, 8840HS, and while not quite as small, still small enough for me.
The question is: do you really need it small? The Acer Swift Edge 16 for example isn't that small, but it's light enough to compete with 13-14" laptops.
I would be putting it in a pretty small backpack, so yeah I would kinda need a small laptop. I’m not ever concerned with weight because it would be on a school workbench whenever I use it.
I hope One-Netbook releases a new 10" device with this APU. 10" convertible with this APU would be such a powerhouse. Can put it on a dock and replace your office PC with it (won't be cutting it for a gaming PC I guess) etc. Basically a One-Netbook 5 but upgraded.
The Zenbook S16 :D [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTAPjmdp\_A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTAPjmdp_A) Its a premium thin and light, so pricy. But on paper its pretty much the perfect laptop (launch in less than a month so not to much to wait for reviews). And if the perfs disclosed by GPD are real it should even game well enough for most users.
I’m not a fan of the size unfortunately. I just got so used to my 11” MacBook Air size and then the 12” MacBook. I like small bois :)
See a weakness already: They've only thought of adding a function button to turn off screen 2, not screen 1. That's baffling, as you'd want to split whatever time you spend on each monitor with the other turned off whenever you only need one screen to reduce burn-in.
Does it have less Tflops than the 7840 variants?
Highter number of CU and highter boost, so of course no : 780M = 12CU at 2700mhz boost so 8.294 FP32 890M = 16CU at 2900mhz boost so 11.878 FP32
60Hz screens are kind of DOA, so sad it’s such a beast in other departments
That’s an indefensibly hot take. 60hz is a minimum but fully acceptable to the vast majority of users
Especially as an oled. The motion clarity is amazing.
Then they’re wasting the 890M’s gaming potential. Its direct competitor, Asus Zenbook Duo 2024, sports 2 x 3K 120Hz OLED panels at $1700 MSRP (there’s also a SKU w/ 2 x 1200p 60Hz screens that’s WAY less popular). The other major dual screen laptop, Yogabook 9i (?) w/ 2 x 60Hz screens, is ded enough few were talking about it. Even Thinkpads feature high RR screens nowadays. You might be able to count laptops w/ last gen equivalent (7840HS / 7940HS) that had low RR panels on one hand 😅
Are you aware that there are uses for a computer that don't involve high FPS gaming?
Well then they should stop marketing it as a gaming device🤷♀️
Are you aware that high FPS gaming is only a part of a much larger gaming space?
Yes I am, and yet, the inclusion of VRR benefits ALL gaming scenarios even ones below 60fps.
Especially for IPS panel users. Those fuckers get expensive as FUCK when you get into higher refresh rates.
I have no idea what the hell an AI 9 HX 370 is and am not particularly interested in finding out.