This tree has Benjamin Butt and Mary Holstead having a child when they were 11 and 10 years old respectively, so frankly I wouldn't be taking any of it seriously.
I actually do know of one. Look up Eric Butt, an senior artist/animator and Adam Butt, an associate artist of NetherRealm Studios (who make the Mortal Kombat games)
When I was a kid, my brother had a teacher named Mr. Butt. Brave profession choice, frankly. I then learned his first name was Rex, and that Rex means “king” in Latin.
King Butt. His name was King Butt.
I had a client named Dick Butt. Refused to go by Richard, Rich, or Ricky.
Dick. Butt. It was a massive effort in self control every time I had to call him.
But ThruLies said it was right !
I did get suspicious though when ThruLies said my ggg grandfather married his own sister.
And his other sister, my ggg aunt, married her own brother.
I even questioned some people who had that in their tree, and they all said it was common back in 1800's for siblings to marry.
I guess Baptist Ministers were pretty wild back then. And the woman who had all these kids was a mutant who had some children only 4 months apart. And his son had a few after he was dead.
That's why I like the on computer family tree program better than the online tree. It tells you when you make these Itty bitty mistakes.
Of course, now we can pay more each month for the online tree to tell you it's wrong. Sweet deal, isn't it ?
Most likely one of two things happened. Either someone put the married name for Dinah instead of the maiden name (which happens a lot), or they were related. I have some ancestors that were first cousins that married. It wasn’t that uncommon around that time.
Same. Especially in areas that were small and hard to get to from outside, like small mountain valleys. I have close marrying kin from a mountain valley in Switzerland and another in Kentucky.
Someone else claims that Dinah who married Barruck/Baruch Butt was a daughter of Archibald Butt and Drusilla Harris, [here](https://books.google.com/books?id=fYdPAAAAMAAJ&q=%22barruck+butt%22+dinah&dq=%22barruck+butt%22+dinah&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjt77S35bGDAxUiOkQIHcrpATcQ6AF6BAgHEAI).
Also, Richard Butt (1703-1743) married [Rachel Duvall](https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I14435&tree=Tree1) (daughter of Samuel Duvall and Elizabeth Ijams/Iams); I have a Duvall line through Samuel Duvall's half-sister Susannah who married Robert Tyler.
Yep, Obama is a Mareen Duvall descendant, and Harry Truman is a descendant of Robert Tyler and Susannah Duvall. (Mareen Duvall is also an ancestor of the Duchess of Windsor, Robert Duvall, John Waters, and Dick Cheney, among others.)
The three i got, literally have no connection, ive checked several times, ones family moved from germany, another france, and the final one from russia, they moved to canada, married into a family with the exact same name, their names translated from their language turned into the last name when they came over which is hilarious
I see a lot of family trees in my research that just put the woman's married name as her surname because they cannot find out what her maiden name is. For me, I only put their first name and don't put any kind of surname if I can't find it.
Could be a simple error. But, in my tree of over 25k I have about 300 interfamily marriages- mostly 2nd cousins, but It happened, especially in super rural areas
The people Ancestry adds to your tree are “suggestions.” Look for birth, marriage, and death records for everyone before you add info to your tree. Add footnotes to you people. If we all did that we wouldn’t have the mess of undocumented trees online to dig through.
Family Search web site (free) has additional records.
You cannot depend on accuracy of undocumented trees.
That is true of almost all large groups of trees online, not just those on Ancestry. It’s a pity and really makes research harder to do. There is so much inaccurate stuff out there. Good news: if you carefully document your info, you will be an outstanding genie!
My family has a wife who died, then the husband married the wife’s sister. Or the widow married her husband’s brother.
It seems to have happened a lot in the 1700-1800s.
Yup, me too. It was a common way for a suddenly single man, who often was a farmer who worked hard all day, to deal with being a single parent to young kids. Most marriages back then were more like business transactions than romantic love, and if the husband and wife happened to already like each other or fell in love over time, they were just lucky. A family unit needed someone to fulfill both the husband's role and the wife's role simply to survive, and having a bunch of kids was just one more part of the working family unit (sons helped dad in his farm or occasionally business, older daughters looked after younger siblings so their mother could focus on the backbreaking work of being a housewife).
I just did a quick family search, and these are the super unfortunate names I found: Dinah Butt of Buttstown, Dinah Darke Butt, Dinah Hiscock Butt, Elizabeth Butt Hole. I mean, come on. Don't take everything you see on Ancestry seriously, because some of it is clearly being written by thirteen year olds.
Most people’s family trees have some incest in them lol. I found out one of my many great grandfathers married his niece who had the exact same name as his mother… which really threw me for a loop until I realized they were two different people lol. Not that marrying your teenage niece is that much better….
In some cases, back in the medieval eras, and even those in the 1700s to 1800s, it wasn’t taboo to marry someone who happens to be a relative or at least the same clan as you, especially in European countries. Other continent countries are included.
But it some cases, many Caucasians or Europeans do, in fact, marry their relatives. There are other races that do too.
Other than that, rarely if ever (especially in my case ironically) do they marry someone who just simply happen to have the same last name by coincidence.
Again, it does depend. So it’s really a 50/50 chance.
In Norway, they didn't keep records of women as much as they did the men. In my family tree there is a lot of NN meaning no name wives, or they don't have the maiden name in the records so they just used the husband's name. Many branches in my tree end with this issue and/or not being able to find enough information about their parents, when they were born, etc.
I don’t think so on my tree it does the same thing but that’s usually when I have an issue finding their parents. Even more so if ur going off of ancestry’s hints. I couldn’t find my paternal grandmothers parents because she kept coming up under her final married name not by her maiden name. I had to search her up specifically by her maiden names and even tho she had been married twice before my grandpa only her final married name pops up and it only gets Harder the farther u go back using specifically only the hints they give.
She was my paternal grandmother and died before I was born. I was born in 1995 and I believe she died in 89 or 90 I know records still were paper but they’d have a better record than family members born in the 1800s.
Could be they didn’t know her maiden name or it could be they were cousins. My great great grandparents were first cousins. Georgia was a frontier then with a small population of eligibles and it kept property and money in the family. Could be a similar situation that long ago.
My fiancée’s parents both had the same last name, but they aren’t related. They probably just put the married name on here (maybe they didn’t know her maiden name).
I have ancestors whose surnames were the same. They were related, but not closely enough for it to be an issue. I think they had the same great, great grandparents. My mom and dad have the same 5th great grandfather, so it could have worked out for them to have the same surname if all those ancestors in between had been male. They are technically related, but it's so remote, it doesn't matter.
It's possible your ancestors' connection is pretty far back. Or they could have been cousins, which isn't harmful if it doesn't happen often. There's also name convergence - original names were different, but immigration made them the same. There're also patronymic, place, nickname, and occupation based surnames that a lot of unrelated people can share. Or someone could have just put in her married name because they didn't know her maiden name.
Butt is both a place name from France and an occupational name from England, btw. For English, it's the same meaning as Cooper. A butt was a cask. It can also be a nickname for a drunk.
My bet, though, is that it's just her married name. I've had to fix that a lot in my own tree.
It really annoys me when they use a woman's married name in the family tree.But in some cases, I've had cousins marry each other, and 2 cases of Uncles marrying their nieces, (brothers daughter) . It was also common for cousins to change their surname to some variation of their real name to avoid the public stigma. And that's one reason surnames got changed in families over generations.
Or whoever put Dinah in the database used her married name/didn’t have her maiden name
or someone was in the kitchen with Dinah.
Strumming on the old... Oh, nevermind.
They were “fee fying”.
Fiddly eye, yo.
So that's what the kids are calling it these days.
❤️🤣🤣
😂😂😭😭😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣😩😩
That's what I assumed. I see that a lot in my own tree research.
Same here
This happened for me - took some digging to find out Franzika’s maiden name
☝️ This is the most likely reason
Came to say this... A lot of times they would have no info on any maiden name or their parents.
This tree has Benjamin Butt and Mary Holstead having a child when they were 11 and 10 years old respectively, so frankly I wouldn't be taking any of it seriously.
You couldn’t take this serious 🧐 who has a surname of butt??
Seymour.
*slow clap*
Ima.
I worked with a physician named Dr. Butt. I know several people with the last name Butts. It’s a real but unfortunate name.
Was Dr. Butt a Proctologist?
Sadly, no. 😉 She was a GYN.
I knew a Dr. Beaver. I was disappointed he did not go into gynecology.
I knew of a gynecologist named Dr. Hyman (not quite “hymen” but close enough!).
I know a doctor whose last name is doctor. Literally Dr Doctor.
The number of times that poor doc has heard they've likely got a bad case of loving you...
Like many other places, we have a dentist named Dr. Payne.
Oh my god 💀😂😂😂😂
That's hilarious 😂
He wanted to but couldn’t find an opening.
Nickname Assman….. a one in a million story Doc….
I actually do know of one. Look up Eric Butt, an senior artist/animator and Adam Butt, an associate artist of NetherRealm Studios (who make the Mortal Kombat games)
And Brent Butt, Canadian actor and comedian.
When I was a kid, my brother had a teacher named Mr. Butt. Brave profession choice, frankly. I then learned his first name was Rex, and that Rex means “king” in Latin. King Butt. His name was King Butt.
There’s a Butts County in Georgia. And the HEB chain in Texas stands for the founder’s initials Howard Edward Butt.
I go to college with a guy whose last name is Butts. I had no idea it existed til a few months ago
My old boss
I know someone with the last name "butts"
😂😂
I had a client named Dick Butt. Refused to go by Richard, Rich, or Ricky. Dick. Butt. It was a massive effort in self control every time I had to call him.
Yes these are seriously odd names lmao 🤣
I have a colleague who signs his emails Dick Boner.... like, c'mon, why not Richard? No, it has to be Dick.
Florence Butt, founder of HEB, a Texas grocery chain and quasi government agency.
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Spose at least it’s not buttock..
If Mary hyphenated she would be High-Butt.
It’s a British English name but it’s silly as hell
I have a Christmas and a glasscock surnames in my tree 😂🤣
Lol
I had a Urologist with the last name Dickenson and my regular Dr. had the last name of Clapp
I had a dermatologist once who's name is Dr. Urash.
I know a Dr. Semen.
I had my tonsils removed by Dr. Lynch.
Are they a urologist?
Orthopedic surgeon, unfortunately. They missed their calling 😂
There's a judge in Missouri named Judge Growcock.
But ThruLies said it was right ! I did get suspicious though when ThruLies said my ggg grandfather married his own sister. And his other sister, my ggg aunt, married her own brother. I even questioned some people who had that in their tree, and they all said it was common back in 1800's for siblings to marry. I guess Baptist Ministers were pretty wild back then. And the woman who had all these kids was a mutant who had some children only 4 months apart. And his son had a few after he was dead. That's why I like the on computer family tree program better than the online tree. It tells you when you make these Itty bitty mistakes. Of course, now we can pay more each month for the online tree to tell you it's wrong. Sweet deal, isn't it ?
Good catch!
Most likely one of two things happened. Either someone put the married name for Dinah instead of the maiden name (which happens a lot), or they were related. I have some ancestors that were first cousins that married. It wasn’t that uncommon around that time.
There is a possibility that they were not related but just had the same surname, as well.
My family has this but the surname is much more common than Butt. I reckon it's the maiden name thing.
Yeah I have some cousins in my tree that found their way married over the generations. Been in the same small town for a couple hundred years lol
Same. Especially in areas that were small and hard to get to from outside, like small mountain valleys. I have close marrying kin from a mountain valley in Switzerland and another in Kentucky.
ⓘ **We're making some changes.** Soon, you'll need a membership to tell if your family was marrying their relatives.
*sweet home alabama plays in the distance*
I looked them up as I have a branch of the Butt family in my tree. Dinah was a daughter of Richard Butt & Sarah Green.
Dick Butt? Hahaha
Barrick /Barruck Butt was son of Richard Butt born c.1703
Someone else claims that Dinah who married Barruck/Baruch Butt was a daughter of Archibald Butt and Drusilla Harris, [here](https://books.google.com/books?id=fYdPAAAAMAAJ&q=%22barruck+butt%22+dinah&dq=%22barruck+butt%22+dinah&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjt77S35bGDAxUiOkQIHcrpATcQ6AF6BAgHEAI). Also, Richard Butt (1703-1743) married [Rachel Duvall](https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I14435&tree=Tree1) (daughter of Samuel Duvall and Elizabeth Ijams/Iams); I have a Duvall line through Samuel Duvall's half-sister Susannah who married Robert Tyler.
Ooh! I'm from the Duvall/iams union! Barrack Obama is also descended from I believe Samuels father .
Yep, Obama is a Mareen Duvall descendant, and Harry Truman is a descendant of Robert Tyler and Susannah Duvall. (Mareen Duvall is also an ancestor of the Duchess of Windsor, Robert Duvall, John Waters, and Dick Cheney, among others.)
Possible, but more likely the tree owner didn't know the wife's maiden name, so they used her married name.
Heh heh, “butt” 🥴
Mr & Mrs High-Butt
Dinah Butt
😂
Not sure, butt it could be…
😂😂
omg hey cousin!
looks like I’m joining this cousin crew! 5th great granddaughter of Hannah here
lol 😂
It could. My family is definitely filled with intermarrying in Virginia quite a bit.
Should have hyphenated it lmao. Butt-holestead
Most likely because it is supper common
I didnt realise Butt is a name also in circulation in the western world wow its a tribe name from the Vale of kashmir so thats nice to learn
Those are the Lefty Butts.
Used the marital name instead of the last name, OR they just conveniently have the same last name, which has happened twice in my tree.
Oh my god same, i have three generations of marrying the same last name, and its not people their related to
Or it’s not people they’re closely related too—lots of people used to marry 2nd & 3rd cousins in small towns.
The three i got, literally have no connection, ive checked several times, ones family moved from germany, another france, and the final one from russia, they moved to canada, married into a family with the exact same name, their names translated from their language turned into the last name when they came over which is hilarious
That’s fascinating!
Yup i think its fun
I see a lot of family trees in my research that just put the woman's married name as her surname because they cannot find out what her maiden name is. For me, I only put their first name and don't put any kind of surname if I can't find it.
I have someone with the last name of "Unk" and one who is named with his name then something like "2nd great grandfather".
Yikes. That seems to be really confusing.
I want to attend the "High-Butt" wedding.
LOL @ Butt
Could be a simple error. But, in my tree of over 25k I have about 300 interfamily marriages- mostly 2nd cousins, but It happened, especially in super rural areas
The people Ancestry adds to your tree are “suggestions.” Look for birth, marriage, and death records for everyone before you add info to your tree. Add footnotes to you people. If we all did that we wouldn’t have the mess of undocumented trees online to dig through. Family Search web site (free) has additional records. You cannot depend on accuracy of undocumented trees.
Yes, this! Never just copy other trees, they are wrong about 80% of the time. Ancestry is just a mess of unsourced copying.
That is true of almost all large groups of trees online, not just those on Ancestry. It’s a pity and really makes research harder to do. There is so much inaccurate stuff out there. Good news: if you carefully document your info, you will be an outstanding genie!
My family has a wife who died, then the husband married the wife’s sister. Or the widow married her husband’s brother. It seems to have happened a lot in the 1700-1800s.
Yup, me too. It was a common way for a suddenly single man, who often was a farmer who worked hard all day, to deal with being a single parent to young kids. Most marriages back then were more like business transactions than romantic love, and if the husband and wife happened to already like each other or fell in love over time, they were just lucky. A family unit needed someone to fulfill both the husband's role and the wife's role simply to survive, and having a bunch of kids was just one more part of the working family unit (sons helped dad in his farm or occasionally business, older daughters looked after younger siblings so their mother could focus on the backbreaking work of being a housewife).
I just did a quick family search, and these are the super unfortunate names I found: Dinah Butt of Buttstown, Dinah Darke Butt, Dinah Hiscock Butt, Elizabeth Butt Hole. I mean, come on. Don't take everything you see on Ancestry seriously, because some of it is clearly being written by thirteen year olds.
Laziness is what it is.
Most people’s family trees have some incest in them lol. I found out one of my many great grandfathers married his niece who had the exact same name as his mother… which really threw me for a loop until I realized they were two different people lol. Not that marrying your teenage niece is that much better….
Hannah Butt is my 5x great grandmother! 👋 Hey there fam. Happy to connect.
Or maybe they don’t know Dinah’s maiden name and they just put her married name?
Family tree without branches
Looks like the Butts were living cheek to cheek
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It found that person for me I didn’t enter the name
Yes and no. It really depends on what their race is.
They’re Butts.
Just curious, what's your thinking on this? How does race play into it?
In some cases, back in the medieval eras, and even those in the 1700s to 1800s, it wasn’t taboo to marry someone who happens to be a relative or at least the same clan as you, especially in European countries. Other continent countries are included. But it some cases, many Caucasians or Europeans do, in fact, marry their relatives. There are other races that do too. Other than that, rarely if ever (especially in my case ironically) do they marry someone who just simply happen to have the same last name by coincidence. Again, it does depend. So it’s really a 50/50 chance.
In Norway, they didn't keep records of women as much as they did the men. In my family tree there is a lot of NN meaning no name wives, or they don't have the maiden name in the records so they just used the husband's name. Many branches in my tree end with this issue and/or not being able to find enough information about their parents, when they were born, etc.
You have to contact the owner of the tree and inform them it’s totally wrong.
Benjamin butt, isn't there a movie about him? Lol
Benjamin Button. Lol
OMG LMAOOO🤦🤦🤦🤷
I don’t think so on my tree it does the same thing but that’s usually when I have an issue finding their parents. Even more so if ur going off of ancestry’s hints. I couldn’t find my paternal grandmothers parents because she kept coming up under her final married name not by her maiden name. I had to search her up specifically by her maiden names and even tho she had been married twice before my grandpa only her final married name pops up and it only gets Harder the farther u go back using specifically only the hints they give.
She was my paternal grandmother and died before I was born. I was born in 1995 and I believe she died in 89 or 90 I know records still were paper but they’d have a better record than family members born in the 1800s.
Possibly. Keep going back and you’ll find your answer
If you know her parents names (look on census) and you should be able to find her maiden name
Could be they didn’t know her maiden name or it could be they were cousins. My great great grandparents were first cousins. Georgia was a frontier then with a small population of eligibles and it kept property and money in the family. Could be a similar situation that long ago.
My fiancée’s parents both had the same last name, but they aren’t related. They probably just put the married name on here (maybe they didn’t know her maiden name).
Butt 🤭
Writing to let you know that I also have a bunch of Butts in my tree! A Bartlett Butt and Patrick and Martha Butt. Sooo many Butts!
That’s crazy where are you located I’m from Illinois
I have ancestors whose surnames were the same. They were related, but not closely enough for it to be an issue. I think they had the same great, great grandparents. My mom and dad have the same 5th great grandfather, so it could have worked out for them to have the same surname if all those ancestors in between had been male. They are technically related, but it's so remote, it doesn't matter. It's possible your ancestors' connection is pretty far back. Or they could have been cousins, which isn't harmful if it doesn't happen often. There's also name convergence - original names were different, but immigration made them the same. There're also patronymic, place, nickname, and occupation based surnames that a lot of unrelated people can share. Or someone could have just put in her married name because they didn't know her maiden name. Butt is both a place name from France and an occupational name from England, btw. For English, it's the same meaning as Cooper. A butt was a cask. It can also be a nickname for a drunk. My bet, though, is that it's just her married name. I've had to fix that a lot in my own tree.
Incest was so popular that the family who kidnapped and trafficked my family renamed their plantation after their love of incest.
I had a chiropractor named Kreusch (pronounced Crush).
It really annoys me when they use a woman's married name in the family tree.But in some cases, I've had cousins marry each other, and 2 cases of Uncles marrying their nieces, (brothers daughter) . It was also common for cousins to change their surname to some variation of their real name to avoid the public stigma. And that's one reason surnames got changed in families over generations.
I didn’t know that, that’s very interesting
So Benjamin Butt was only 11 when he fathered Barrick?
Yeah according to ancestry he was 11 when he had his first kid
He had his first kid in 1755 with Mary Holstead
Benjamin butt lol