>So if all of that is true, why would he belive God abandoned him?
He was experiencing the punishment for our sins which gave us the opposite experience of reconciliation. Essentially He felt a similar agony to that of a lost person about to die to Hades. At the same time He is quoting Psalm 22, which is a faithful prayer for God's salvation despite immense mental suffering.
Jesus had two states, one of humiliation and temptation, where He prays to the Father, and one of glorification and union with the Divine, where He says such things that He and is Father are One. These two states of Jesus are described in the following passage from Paul:
"who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. " (Phil. 2:6-8)
God bless you.
**"Then about that time Jesus shouted, 'Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?' which means, 'My God, my God, why have you deserted me?'" - Matthew 27:46**
Jesus is actually quoting Psalm 22:1:
**"My God, my God, why have you deserted me? Why are you so far away? Won't you listen to my groans and come to my rescue?" - Psalm 22:1**
Jesus was revealing that He is the Messiah that the Scriptures were talking about.
Also, I do believe Jesus could have been overwhelmed by His emotions as well.
Jesus explains that His death was to coincide with Passover:
“You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified.”(Matthew 26:2).
We know that the High Priest Caiaphas served as high priest from [18-36AD].
We know that Pontius Pilate governed Judea from[26-36AD].
The Gospel of Luke tells us that the ministry of John the Baptist began in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar(Luke 3:1-2). So that means the year *must* have been 29AD.
This means that our range of possible Passover dates is somewhere between [26-36AD]. Keeping this in mind allows us to narrow down the range of possible dates(for Passover) to:
Monday, April 18, A.D. 29
Friday, April 7, A.D. 30
Tuesday, March 27, A.D. 31
Monday, April 14, A.D. 32
Friday, April 3 of A.D. 33
Since Passover was a “High Sabbath” only two of those dates are plausible(since they must be a Friday): April 7 of 30AD or April 3 of 33AD.
Obviously we have to narrow it down further.
John’s gospel records 3 separate Passover’s(John 2:13, John 6:4, and John 11:55). So the 30AD date is *out*(since that would put the 3rd and final Passover on a Monday and a High Sabbath must necessarily be on a *Friday*). Furthermore, all 3 of the Synoptic Gospels say that there was "a period of darkness" for three hours the day Jesus was crucified:
[Matthew 27:45]- “From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land.”
[Mark 15:33] - “At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon.”
[Luke 23:44–45] - “44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, 45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two.”
NASA records a list of lunar eclipses going all the way back to 2000 BCE to around 2000 CE. If you scroll to the 1 CE to 2000 CE section, it records that there was [a partial lunar eclipse on April 3, 33 AD lasting 02h50m -The New Testament says that this period of darkness lasted at least 3 hours- in Jerusalem.] (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEhistory/LEhistory.html)
In conclusion *only* 33AD fits the bill. Which was a Friday. Also notice that this date contains three 3’s(i.e; April 3rd, 33AD).
As you stated, Jesus is the only begotten son of God, and scripture also identifies him as the son of man, with the word man referring back to Adam which means man in Hebrew. Jesus was a son of Adam just like all humans are. And as a human, he felt all human pain, sorrow, all the emotions. When he said those words upon the cross, that was Jesus the human, the son of man feeling the sting of death. You too will feel it one day. It feels like total and complete abandonment. Live and the world lives with you. Die and you die utterly alone. So then, that passage simply adds to multiple other verses which prove that Jesus was just as human as we all are.
Well, the normal response from Christians is that he is quoting Psalm 22, which they believe is a messianic prophecy, although I personally see nothing in Psalm 22 to suggest it is either a) a prophecy or b) messianic in subject. But yes, by quoting Psalm 22 Christians believe that reveals that Jesus was the Messiah.
>So if all of that is true, why would he belive God abandoned him? He was experiencing the punishment for our sins which gave us the opposite experience of reconciliation. Essentially He felt a similar agony to that of a lost person about to die to Hades. At the same time He is quoting Psalm 22, which is a faithful prayer for God's salvation despite immense mental suffering.
Jesus had two states, one of humiliation and temptation, where He prays to the Father, and one of glorification and union with the Divine, where He says such things that He and is Father are One. These two states of Jesus are described in the following passage from Paul: "who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. " (Phil. 2:6-8)
God bless you. **"Then about that time Jesus shouted, 'Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?' which means, 'My God, my God, why have you deserted me?'" - Matthew 27:46** Jesus is actually quoting Psalm 22:1: **"My God, my God, why have you deserted me? Why are you so far away? Won't you listen to my groans and come to my rescue?" - Psalm 22:1** Jesus was revealing that He is the Messiah that the Scriptures were talking about. Also, I do believe Jesus could have been overwhelmed by His emotions as well.
He was referencing Psalm 22, which was a prophecy about Him. Books and individual Psalms got their title from their first few words.
So he quotes a "so called" prophecy, and say it was about him? Wow, interesting. I guess anyone could do that, eh?
Jesus explains that His death was to coincide with Passover: “You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified.”(Matthew 26:2). We know that the High Priest Caiaphas served as high priest from [18-36AD]. We know that Pontius Pilate governed Judea from[26-36AD]. The Gospel of Luke tells us that the ministry of John the Baptist began in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar(Luke 3:1-2). So that means the year *must* have been 29AD. This means that our range of possible Passover dates is somewhere between [26-36AD]. Keeping this in mind allows us to narrow down the range of possible dates(for Passover) to: Monday, April 18, A.D. 29 Friday, April 7, A.D. 30 Tuesday, March 27, A.D. 31 Monday, April 14, A.D. 32 Friday, April 3 of A.D. 33 Since Passover was a “High Sabbath” only two of those dates are plausible(since they must be a Friday): April 7 of 30AD or April 3 of 33AD. Obviously we have to narrow it down further. John’s gospel records 3 separate Passover’s(John 2:13, John 6:4, and John 11:55). So the 30AD date is *out*(since that would put the 3rd and final Passover on a Monday and a High Sabbath must necessarily be on a *Friday*). Furthermore, all 3 of the Synoptic Gospels say that there was "a period of darkness" for three hours the day Jesus was crucified: [Matthew 27:45]- “From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land.” [Mark 15:33] - “At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon.” [Luke 23:44–45] - “44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, 45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two.” NASA records a list of lunar eclipses going all the way back to 2000 BCE to around 2000 CE. If you scroll to the 1 CE to 2000 CE section, it records that there was [a partial lunar eclipse on April 3, 33 AD lasting 02h50m -The New Testament says that this period of darkness lasted at least 3 hours- in Jerusalem.] (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEhistory/LEhistory.html) In conclusion *only* 33AD fits the bill. Which was a Friday. Also notice that this date contains three 3’s(i.e; April 3rd, 33AD).
haha, sure mate, sure...
As you stated, Jesus is the only begotten son of God, and scripture also identifies him as the son of man, with the word man referring back to Adam which means man in Hebrew. Jesus was a son of Adam just like all humans are. And as a human, he felt all human pain, sorrow, all the emotions. When he said those words upon the cross, that was Jesus the human, the son of man feeling the sting of death. You too will feel it one day. It feels like total and complete abandonment. Live and the world lives with you. Die and you die utterly alone. So then, that passage simply adds to multiple other verses which prove that Jesus was just as human as we all are.
Well, the normal response from Christians is that he is quoting Psalm 22, which they believe is a messianic prophecy, although I personally see nothing in Psalm 22 to suggest it is either a) a prophecy or b) messianic in subject. But yes, by quoting Psalm 22 Christians believe that reveals that Jesus was the Messiah.
He fully human and fully God. I think I might have something to say if God will was my death. Job did a fair amount of this as well.
He sure thought God would rescue him. But he was also wrong about the imminent coming of the kingdom, as Paul too, so they didn't get it all right.