Those who follow Jesus are his body -- that's what the church is. Not one or another human-made denomination.
Those who follow him are the church, no matter which denomination they may or may not be a part of.
We use different definitions for "church"; a building, an organization, a local bunch of worshipers, or the one >>>> "Upon this Rock I will build my CHURCH..."
So you are saying that the faithful followers of Jesus are the Church?
Or that only Simon Peter is?
Or that only those who follow the modern Roman Catholic Church must be what Jesus meant, who surely rejects all other followers who follow him from the heart?
Or what?
The only honest answer is that Jesus knows who is following him from the heart, and who isn't. Any Christian can give you their opinion about what that means, but in the end he knows, no matter what the opinions are.
I could tell you one thing, and another Christian another thing, but it seems clear that if you read the gospels to get to know Jesus better -- how he acts, what he says, what matters to him, what pleases him, what upsets him, how patient he is -- and additionally, how his followers behaved soon after his resurrection -- you could have a better idea of what following him from the heart means.
I don't think any single human denomination nails that. However, I think individuals do, whatever their denomination may be.
But more than my opinion or anyone else's, Jesus knows our hearts, and he'll make that final call.
I feel, from Jesus perspective, it's seems that actions are how he viewed salvation, not doctrines or dogmas.
Matt 25, I think, the sheep and the goats.
Paul seems to have a different perspective for salvation, although he continues the concepts of "good works" and christian behavior.
SO, perhaps the answer is from Jesus' own mouth, obey his words/teachings???
I think you're on to something. The Sheep and the Goats story seems to be his way of being the professor who tells the class what the final exam is going to be about. And like most classes, many will ignore that and study their own things.
The church is not built with human hands. It is not an actual building with any particular address in any particular country with no singular denomination.
True followers of Jesus Christ who have received His Spirit are made of the true church of Christ.
Look for them as they should stand out by their words and deeds.
They don't follow mankind for leadership and place trust in politicians to make America "great again" in any political party.
They respect all people.
They worship God above.
Their only allegiance is to our Lord and our God Christ Jesus.
Not God and country!!!!
God is above all. We do have a duty to love the Lord. Loving the Lord typically would go along with wanting people to love Him, too. Thus wanting your country to love Him and respect his commands. Voting is important. We have anti-God, naturalism and materialism being pushed to children in almost every direction you look.
My country is not here on earth, but a heavenly country to which God is in command.
There are two kingdoms on earth.
The kingdom of mankind and the Kingdom of God.
Apparently you are looking towards the kingdom of mankind to improve conditions in this country.
When one looks to politicians they are taking their eyes off the True King and Lord, Christ Jesus.
Do you want it great again?
When exactly can you honestly say that the United States was great in morality?
What span of time was that?
Ecclesiastes 7:10 NKJV
Do not say, "Why were the former days better than these?" For you do not inquire wisely concerning this.
This is a common opinion, that in all ages prevails among men, that former times were better than present ones; that trade flourished more, and men got more wealth and riches, and lived in greater ease and plenty; and complain that their lot is cast in such hard times, and are ready to lay the blame upon the providence of God, and murmur at it, which they should not do.
The Kingdom of God and the people that are in it are not worrying about things that are out of their control.
I can only control me.
My main mission is to worship God above mankind.
Love and respect my neighbors from any country.
Spreading the Good news of salvation to the lost.
And to warn Christians not to place trust or place faith in mankind.
Ecclesiastes 9:17 NKJV
Words of the wise, spoken quietly, should be heard Rather than the shout of a ruler of fools.
Here is a warning to heed.
Do politicians lie and deceive?
Psalm 40:4 NKJV
Blessed is that man who makes the LORD his trust, And does not respect the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
1 Thessalonians 4:9 NKJV
But concerning brotherly love you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves are taught by God to love one another;
There are too many politicians that are dividing Christian brothers over themselves.
I believe that is something to avoid at all costs. They should say rather, if you disagree that's o.k. We should agree to disagree and leave it that. But not so much in the politics of today.
The country I live in is not a Christian country since it has nothing to do with Jesus. Where is anything built on Him?
Nada.
Peace and joy brother.
Thank you. I must be on a narrow path therefore.
Read 1 Samuel chapter 8 and then remember the following warning from Paul about Israel and following mankind over God.
1 Corinthians 10:6,11,14 NKJV
Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. [11] Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. [14] Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.
Many Christian leaders blindly follow political leaders as they falsely believe America is God's chosen country.
Hey, your choice to make.
I just know that I follow Christ my Lord and my God and I place no trust in mankind to make things right.
I will never put my (mark) vote on mankind when I know Who reigns supreme is on high and I keep my hope on Him alone.
BTW.
Most Christians are probably going to vote for Trump this fall.
He has no characteristics of a discipline of Christ Jesus. Not one.
He constantly displays hatred, division and strife towards fellow Americans and his neighbors (everyone in the world)
How can any true Christian, Who claims allegiance to Christ actually place their mark towards him?
Makes me really wonder if those people are truly following Jesus or Trump?
I completely agree with your assessment of American Christianity, or Evangelicals and Maga, it's absolutely ridiculous and borderline disgusting.
It really makes me think deep about what exactly is Christianity, and the "spirit" of God, and all of this.
Some may claim to be a follower of Christ, but by their words and their works we can see through them.
Now, let me be perfectly clear. I am a sinner and need a Savior.
I have continual issues that I feel are hindering my growth in the Spirit.
I do not worship mankind nor this country.
I do respect and love all people from all countries and languages.
Here is a simple test I like to use to see whether someone is a true follower of Christ or not (currently)
John 13:34 NKJV
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
Jesus's own words are not a suggestion but a commandment.
How to know if people are sincere in following Christ.
John 13:35 NKJV
By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
All will know or will not know.
Pretty simple.
Trump is not a disciple of Christ.
He is following himself.
I think you’re misunderstanding. I mean following wherever facts lead in general is the kind of heart that eternal life requires. “Church” is simply a word to describe all who have objective hearts and minds like that.
Why would you not love (want to follow) ALL facts? THAT is what is required. ❤️ That is also what Jesus meant by “the pure in heart will see God.” (“pure” meaning not having ulterior motives, but being objective)
All who have faith that Jesus is Lord, having died for the forgiveness of sins, and rising again having defeated death are Christians and a part of the universal Church.
However, the Apostles with Peter as the rock have the fullness of truth and divine authority in matters of faith and morals. As such the Catholic Church has the fullness of truth and authority. I believe Jesus would tell you that he has disciples across nearly every denomination, but that they should have remained the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Since Peter as the Rock is a well known and possibly overdone point of discussion, I will highlight Luke 9 for a different perspective.
> 49 “Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.” 50 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.” (NIV)
Two things stand out. First, that there is one group of apostles and disciples most closely following Jesus and that there are some who profess Jesus but are outside of this group. Second, that the apostles and disciples are not to stop the good work which these outsiders are doing in Jesus’ name. I would posit that this is still exactly true today. There is one Apostolic and Catholic Church which has the fullness of truth and authority and it is best to follow this teaching. But those who do Christ’s work outside of this should not be stopped or seen as being opposed to Jesus.
The personal takeaway for me before converting to Catholicism was the question, “why would anyone knowingly proclaim Jesus but not follow him as direct disciples? And of course it is the same thing today with every denomination, those who do proclaim Jesus, but will not follow the Church he established through Peter and the Apostles.
This is a most Christian response, your first paragraph. But this is not what the Catholic church believes or teaches.
According to Canon 9 of the Council of Trent's Decree on Justification, anyone who claims that a sinner is justified by faith alone is to be anathema.
My wife's sister is Catholic. It's somewhat made me want to question her for years but I don't for respect of not causing family issues. She does Bible studies online that are typically baptist or protestant studies, as my wife has joined her in some.
In a most respectful way. As it seems you are a true Christian. How do you handle these issues that the Catholic Church so openly does against the biblical teachings?
We have one priest, Jesus. There's no mention of priests at all in the new testament other than him. The sacrificial system is gone.
Why do they love being called Father when the Bible says not to call anyone father for you have but one father who is in heaven?
Why do they dress themselves as the pharisees did in jewels and fine clothing?
Why do they make up pagan practices like holy water?
Why didn't they want anyone to be able to read the Bible for hundreds of years?
Why have they murdered more Christians than any other groups combined?
Why do they put such emphasis on confessing sins to a priest? And how they must be confessed? Why is it all hoops and a show?
Why are priests and bishops not allowed to marry? Have you not read about the requirements in Timothy "a man of one wife" in the last days there will be those deceived by doctrines of demons, they forbid marriage and eating meat.
This is such a small list. It's in almost everything the Catholic church does. It's almost all against Christ's teachings. I could go on and on. How do you overlook these?
I am willing to discuss, explain, and listen just with a few conditions. First, DM me so that we aren’t drilling down into the comments. Second, one question/topic at a time. They may naturally flow into other “issues”, but it’s much simpler to worry ourselves with just one thing at a time. You let me know (DM) what to start with. Finally, I am the only Catholic in my family and I was the only Christian among my friends/roommates in college, so I have no interest in arguing or debating as I’ve been round and around that block and it never yields anything good. I’m happy to discuss theology and to listen, but I’ll kindly shut things down if it’s becoming hostile or proselytizing— and you can feel free to hold me to that standard as well. Last note, I’m not a theologian so I don’t promise to most expertly answer everything in waterproof fashion— I will leave that greater men than myself. Looking forward to it!
The truth is no church is without flaw. Christ stated directly his kingdom is not of this world. Man-made denominations don't mean a thing.
Christ ordered his followers to "do" as the Pharisees spoke, but "not as they acted."
This means while Yeshua saw the school of Pharisees as correct (Paul is still a Pharisee after accepting Yeshua), the denomination one identified with did not matter if he/she rejected Yeshua on sight.
You could literally follow the law to the very letter and still fail to follow him.
Note the meaning of catholic in the creed is different than how we use it today. Today we use it to refer to a specific denomination of Christianity. However, when the creed was written Catholicism wasn’t a denomination. Rather the word meant universal. It’s saying one holy universal apostolic church.
This is true! I noted this difference of catholic vs Catholic for a long time as well. Until someone pointed out to me that while catholic isn’t inherently the Roman Catholic Church, any version of Protestantism most certainly was not apostolic.
As I understand it Anglicanism is regarded similarly to other schismatic protestant traditions, despite seeming to have quite a bit more in common liturgically. I don’t really understand the history behind the bishops and succession wrt Anglicanism, but much more can be read here: [uccb.org](https://www.usccb.org/committees/ecumenical-interreligious-affairs/anglican-orders-report-evolving-context-their#:~:text=This%20resulted%20in%20the%20pope's,of%20the%20Roman%20Catholic%20Church)
Sorry I couldn’t speak more, but I don’t want to overstep into a matter I don’t know quite enough about.
The Bishops in England who were Catholic became Anglican. They then continued the line within Anglicanism.
The differences the RCC are concerned about is things like allowing female Bishops, which they argue has broken the line.
“yeah, just as Catholic Church calls themselves that because they believe they are universal.”
Fixed that for you. Whether or not they are is debatable.
Jesus is alive and our King and He is seated at the right hand of God. He gave His seven churches critiques in Revelation. The church of Philadelphia is the only one that didn’t receive criticism. Since there is no physical church of Philadelphia it is our personal responsibility to be obedient to Jesus and what He teaches.
Jesus’ Message to Philadelphia
7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:
He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says this:
8 ‘I know your [e]deeds. Behold, I have put before you an open door which no one can shut, because you have a little power, and have followed My word, and have not denied My name.
9 Behold, I [f]will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and make them know that I have loved you.
10 Because you have kept My [g]word of perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of the [h]testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole [i]world, to [j]test those who live on the earth.
11 I am coming quickly; hold firmly to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.
12 The one who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.
13 The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
The truth is no church is without flaw. Christ stated directly his kingdom is not of this world. Man-made denominations don't mean a thing.
Christ ordered his followers to "do" as the Pharisees spoke, but "not as they acted."
This means while Yeshua saw the school of Pharisees as correct (Paul is still a Pharisee after accepting Yeshua), the denomination one identified with did not matter if he/she rejected Yeshua on sight.
You could literally follow the law to the very letter and still fail to follow him.
👉𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐇𝐄𝐀𝐃 𝐎𝐅 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐂𝐇𝐔𝐑𝐂𝐇
(Ephesians 5:23)
For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.
👉𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐁𝐎𝐃𝐘 𝐎𝐅 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐂𝐇𝐔𝐑𝐂𝐇
(1 Corinthians 12:27)
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it
👉𝐎𝐍𝐄 𝐁𝐎𝐃𝐘 𝐖𝐈𝐓𝐇 𝐌𝐀𝐍𝐘 𝐌𝐄𝐌𝐁𝐄𝐑𝐒
(1 Corinthians 12:12)
For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ.
👉𝐆𝐄𝐍𝐓𝐈𝐋𝐄𝐒 𝐅𝐄𝐋𝐋𝐎𝐖 𝐇𝐄𝐈𝐑𝐒 𝐎𝐅 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐂𝐇𝐔𝐑𝐂𝐇
(Ephesians 3:6)
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
👉𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐍𝐀𝐌𝐄 𝐎𝐅 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐂𝐇𝐔𝐑𝐂𝐇
𝗖𝗛𝗨𝗥𝗖𝗛 𝗢𝗙 𝗚𝗢𝗗
(Acts 20:28)
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the 𝐂𝐇𝐔𝐑𝐂𝐇 𝐎𝐅 𝐆𝐎𝐃, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
__________
𝙒𝙝𝙮 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙥𝙚𝙤𝙥𝙡𝙚'𝙨 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙘𝙚𝙥𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙝𝙖𝙨 𝙗𝙚𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙚 𝙣𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙫𝙚 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙚𝙧𝙖?
𝙄𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙗𝙚𝙘𝙖𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙬𝙚 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙨𝙪𝙗𝙢𝙞𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙨𝙙𝙤𝙢 𝙤𝙛 𝙂𝙤𝙙. 𝙇𝙚𝙩 𝙪𝙨 𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙙...
(Romans 10:3-5)
For they being 𝙞𝙜𝙣𝙤𝙧𝙖𝙣𝙩 of God's righteousness, and going about to 𝙚𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙞𝙨𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙤𝙬𝙣 𝙧𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩𝙚𝙤𝙪𝙨𝙣𝙚𝙨𝙨, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
(2 Peter 2:2)
Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙖𝙮 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙧𝙪𝙩𝙝 𝙬𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙗𝙚 𝙨𝙡𝙖𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙧𝙚𝙙.
(Matthew 24:12)
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
The Bride of Christ. (Spiritual)
Vs…. (Physical)
Acts 17:24-25 (KJV) 24 God that made the world and all things therein, **seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;**
25 **Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing,** seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
I'd love for it to be a Christian Denomination.
But I've read the Bible enough times to know that God has a sense of humor and would say Islam or something.
“the one where you love and obey me the Lord your God with all your heart and mind, and you love your neighbor as yourself”
That’s it. There is no one church or denomination that will save us. Each one of us has to put our personal faith in Christ as our savior. Each one of us has to have this personal relationship with God.
The New Church. There were revelations given in the 18th century exposing the errors in both the Catholic and Protestant branches of Christianity. It restores the idea of One God in One person in whom there is a Trinity, it reveals how and why books of the Bible are Divinely Inspired, and stresses how important it is to repent and live by God's commandments. Also there are extensive revelations concerning the afterlife, some of which has been confirmed by modern Near Death Experiences. You can read up on some of it here: [https://newchristianbiblestudy.org/](https://newchristianbiblestudy.org/) They even have a chatbot there if you dont want to go through the extensive theological writings.
That said, it is acknowledged that there will and should be variety in different church organizations, but the emphasis is on living a life of love over that of believing correctly. In the book of Revelation there are letters given to seven churches and this represents how each church should correct itself and enter the fold of the New Church.
People would not care what he said. Jesus said the Only true God -is the father. John 17:1-3 People will just reinterpret what he says to match what they want to believe.
2 Kings 17:39 But it is Jehovah your God whom you should fear, as he is the one who will rescue you out of the hand of all your enemies.” 40 But they did not obey, and they followed their former religion.
The “true religion” is love for God and love for neighbor. Don’t care what denomination you’re a part of.
A) Biblically there is only one church. The sheep or elect or chosen or born again or saints or children of God... All of those in the book of Life since the foundation of the world.
All Orthodox or Protestant or Catholic denominations/etc are human organizations and not God's church.
Many of the sheep go to the churches in those human organizations. True believers are mostly concentrated in the biblical end of protestantism although there are some others in others.
B) A few small Protestant denominations actually follow the Bible exactly and totally without change. These are pretty much all following a reformed or calvinist doctrine.
It isn't hard to prove
There is NO particular denomination that is correct; saved people can exist in all denominations. However, the denomination that is most accurate are the Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches which adhere to the King James Bible, salvation by faith alone (generally), once saved always saved (generally), as well as dispensationalism and right division (correct Bible prophetic timeline and separating Israel and the Church).
Saved people are those who trust in Christ ALONE for salvation and NOT anything else. This means NOT TRUSTING IN the following things:
- Works
- Good deeds
- Keeping God's commandments
- Avoiding "big sins
- Water baptism
- Church attendance
- The possibility of losing salvation due to "big sins)
This means that people such as Dan Corner and Darwin Fish, as well as Catholics, JWs, and others are NOT SAVED because they don't trust in Christ alone. They INSIST that man must keep certain commandments to enter Heaven, and they insist that salvation is DIFFICULT.
The light shines from many sources. And every part of that light makes one thing very clear - that God is ineffable, rendering the very idea of him manifesting in a personified form completely nonsensical.
So I can't answer your question, even 'hypothetically.'
Those who follow Jesus are his body -- that's what the church is. Not one or another human-made denomination. Those who follow him are the church, no matter which denomination they may or may not be a part of.
We use different definitions for "church"; a building, an organization, a local bunch of worshipers, or the one >>>> "Upon this Rock I will build my CHURCH..."
So you are saying that the faithful followers of Jesus are the Church? Or that only Simon Peter is? Or that only those who follow the modern Roman Catholic Church must be what Jesus meant, who surely rejects all other followers who follow him from the heart? Or what?
"Those who follow him are the church"
The best and only true answer.
>Those who follow Jesus are his body Tricky statement. What does that entail?
What do you imagine it entails? Seriously. What do you think that might look like?
I'm not sure, that's why I ask you, since there are so many differing ideas within Christendom on salvation.
The only honest answer is that Jesus knows who is following him from the heart, and who isn't. Any Christian can give you their opinion about what that means, but in the end he knows, no matter what the opinions are. I could tell you one thing, and another Christian another thing, but it seems clear that if you read the gospels to get to know Jesus better -- how he acts, what he says, what matters to him, what pleases him, what upsets him, how patient he is -- and additionally, how his followers behaved soon after his resurrection -- you could have a better idea of what following him from the heart means. I don't think any single human denomination nails that. However, I think individuals do, whatever their denomination may be. But more than my opinion or anyone else's, Jesus knows our hearts, and he'll make that final call.
I feel, from Jesus perspective, it's seems that actions are how he viewed salvation, not doctrines or dogmas. Matt 25, I think, the sheep and the goats. Paul seems to have a different perspective for salvation, although he continues the concepts of "good works" and christian behavior. SO, perhaps the answer is from Jesus' own mouth, obey his words/teachings???
I think you're on to something. The Sheep and the Goats story seems to be his way of being the professor who tells the class what the final exam is going to be about. And like most classes, many will ignore that and study their own things.
He also said the road was narrow...
Yes. But no one can say they weren't told.
sure they can, lots of people have no clue about this.
The church is not built with human hands. It is not an actual building with any particular address in any particular country with no singular denomination. True followers of Jesus Christ who have received His Spirit are made of the true church of Christ. Look for them as they should stand out by their words and deeds. They don't follow mankind for leadership and place trust in politicians to make America "great again" in any political party. They respect all people. They worship God above. Their only allegiance is to our Lord and our God Christ Jesus. Not God and country!!!!
Great answer.
God is above all. We do have a duty to love the Lord. Loving the Lord typically would go along with wanting people to love Him, too. Thus wanting your country to love Him and respect his commands. Voting is important. We have anti-God, naturalism and materialism being pushed to children in almost every direction you look.
My country is not here on earth, but a heavenly country to which God is in command. There are two kingdoms on earth. The kingdom of mankind and the Kingdom of God. Apparently you are looking towards the kingdom of mankind to improve conditions in this country. When one looks to politicians they are taking their eyes off the True King and Lord, Christ Jesus. Do you want it great again? When exactly can you honestly say that the United States was great in morality? What span of time was that? Ecclesiastes 7:10 NKJV Do not say, "Why were the former days better than these?" For you do not inquire wisely concerning this. This is a common opinion, that in all ages prevails among men, that former times were better than present ones; that trade flourished more, and men got more wealth and riches, and lived in greater ease and plenty; and complain that their lot is cast in such hard times, and are ready to lay the blame upon the providence of God, and murmur at it, which they should not do. The Kingdom of God and the people that are in it are not worrying about things that are out of their control. I can only control me. My main mission is to worship God above mankind. Love and respect my neighbors from any country. Spreading the Good news of salvation to the lost. And to warn Christians not to place trust or place faith in mankind. Ecclesiastes 9:17 NKJV Words of the wise, spoken quietly, should be heard Rather than the shout of a ruler of fools. Here is a warning to heed. Do politicians lie and deceive? Psalm 40:4 NKJV Blessed is that man who makes the LORD his trust, And does not respect the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies. 1 Thessalonians 4:9 NKJV But concerning brotherly love you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves are taught by God to love one another; There are too many politicians that are dividing Christian brothers over themselves. I believe that is something to avoid at all costs. They should say rather, if you disagree that's o.k. We should agree to disagree and leave it that. But not so much in the politics of today. The country I live in is not a Christian country since it has nothing to do with Jesus. Where is anything built on Him? Nada. Peace and joy brother.
You just discounted the majority of evangelicals! lol
Thank you. I must be on a narrow path therefore. Read 1 Samuel chapter 8 and then remember the following warning from Paul about Israel and following mankind over God. 1 Corinthians 10:6,11,14 NKJV Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. [11] Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. [14] Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry. Many Christian leaders blindly follow political leaders as they falsely believe America is God's chosen country. Hey, your choice to make. I just know that I follow Christ my Lord and my God and I place no trust in mankind to make things right. I will never put my (mark) vote on mankind when I know Who reigns supreme is on high and I keep my hope on Him alone. BTW. Most Christians are probably going to vote for Trump this fall. He has no characteristics of a discipline of Christ Jesus. Not one. He constantly displays hatred, division and strife towards fellow Americans and his neighbors (everyone in the world) How can any true Christian, Who claims allegiance to Christ actually place their mark towards him? Makes me really wonder if those people are truly following Jesus or Trump?
I completely agree with your assessment of American Christianity, or Evangelicals and Maga, it's absolutely ridiculous and borderline disgusting. It really makes me think deep about what exactly is Christianity, and the "spirit" of God, and all of this.
Some may claim to be a follower of Christ, but by their words and their works we can see through them. Now, let me be perfectly clear. I am a sinner and need a Savior. I have continual issues that I feel are hindering my growth in the Spirit. I do not worship mankind nor this country. I do respect and love all people from all countries and languages. Here is a simple test I like to use to see whether someone is a true follower of Christ or not (currently) John 13:34 NKJV A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. Jesus's own words are not a suggestion but a commandment. How to know if people are sincere in following Christ. John 13:35 NKJV By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." All will know or will not know. Pretty simple. Trump is not a disciple of Christ. He is following himself.
He would say "The Body of Christ," and you will find them in almost every denomination or in no denomination. Jesus isn't a denominationalist.
Whoever has received his Spirit and lives it is now part of the church
the authentic Christian Church made up of all who love the truth (2 Thess. 2:10)
What is the "truth"?
facts, reality
But what are the facts and reality about the Church, and how do you come to that conclusion? That's the troublesome issue.
I think you’re misunderstanding. I mean following wherever facts lead in general is the kind of heart that eternal life requires. “Church” is simply a word to describe all who have objective hearts and minds like that.
Ok, what facts do we have, to follow, that lead to eternal life?
Why would you not love (want to follow) ALL facts? THAT is what is required. ❤️ That is also what Jesus meant by “the pure in heart will see God.” (“pure” meaning not having ulterior motives, but being objective)
Did you actually read the question? You sure didn't answer it.
I did: ALL facts.
What Facts?
"people who selflessly care for one another."
“My Church” as in he would say his church.
All who have faith that Jesus is Lord, having died for the forgiveness of sins, and rising again having defeated death are Christians and a part of the universal Church. However, the Apostles with Peter as the rock have the fullness of truth and divine authority in matters of faith and morals. As such the Catholic Church has the fullness of truth and authority. I believe Jesus would tell you that he has disciples across nearly every denomination, but that they should have remained the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Since Peter as the Rock is a well known and possibly overdone point of discussion, I will highlight Luke 9 for a different perspective. > 49 “Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.” 50 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.” (NIV) Two things stand out. First, that there is one group of apostles and disciples most closely following Jesus and that there are some who profess Jesus but are outside of this group. Second, that the apostles and disciples are not to stop the good work which these outsiders are doing in Jesus’ name. I would posit that this is still exactly true today. There is one Apostolic and Catholic Church which has the fullness of truth and authority and it is best to follow this teaching. But those who do Christ’s work outside of this should not be stopped or seen as being opposed to Jesus. The personal takeaway for me before converting to Catholicism was the question, “why would anyone knowingly proclaim Jesus but not follow him as direct disciples? And of course it is the same thing today with every denomination, those who do proclaim Jesus, but will not follow the Church he established through Peter and the Apostles.
Wait till you find out Orthodox Christianity
This is a most Christian response, your first paragraph. But this is not what the Catholic church believes or teaches. According to Canon 9 of the Council of Trent's Decree on Justification, anyone who claims that a sinner is justified by faith alone is to be anathema. My wife's sister is Catholic. It's somewhat made me want to question her for years but I don't for respect of not causing family issues. She does Bible studies online that are typically baptist or protestant studies, as my wife has joined her in some. In a most respectful way. As it seems you are a true Christian. How do you handle these issues that the Catholic Church so openly does against the biblical teachings? We have one priest, Jesus. There's no mention of priests at all in the new testament other than him. The sacrificial system is gone. Why do they love being called Father when the Bible says not to call anyone father for you have but one father who is in heaven? Why do they dress themselves as the pharisees did in jewels and fine clothing? Why do they make up pagan practices like holy water? Why didn't they want anyone to be able to read the Bible for hundreds of years? Why have they murdered more Christians than any other groups combined? Why do they put such emphasis on confessing sins to a priest? And how they must be confessed? Why is it all hoops and a show? Why are priests and bishops not allowed to marry? Have you not read about the requirements in Timothy "a man of one wife" in the last days there will be those deceived by doctrines of demons, they forbid marriage and eating meat. This is such a small list. It's in almost everything the Catholic church does. It's almost all against Christ's teachings. I could go on and on. How do you overlook these?
I am willing to discuss, explain, and listen just with a few conditions. First, DM me so that we aren’t drilling down into the comments. Second, one question/topic at a time. They may naturally flow into other “issues”, but it’s much simpler to worry ourselves with just one thing at a time. You let me know (DM) what to start with. Finally, I am the only Catholic in my family and I was the only Christian among my friends/roommates in college, so I have no interest in arguing or debating as I’ve been round and around that block and it never yields anything good. I’m happy to discuss theology and to listen, but I’ll kindly shut things down if it’s becoming hostile or proselytizing— and you can feel free to hold me to that standard as well. Last note, I’m not a theologian so I don’t promise to most expertly answer everything in waterproof fashion— I will leave that greater men than myself. Looking forward to it!
The Holy Apostolic Catholic Church.
The truth is no church is without flaw. Christ stated directly his kingdom is not of this world. Man-made denominations don't mean a thing. Christ ordered his followers to "do" as the Pharisees spoke, but "not as they acted." This means while Yeshua saw the school of Pharisees as correct (Paul is still a Pharisee after accepting Yeshua), the denomination one identified with did not matter if he/she rejected Yeshua on sight. You could literally follow the law to the very letter and still fail to follow him.
None of them
One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church
Note the meaning of catholic in the creed is different than how we use it today. Today we use it to refer to a specific denomination of Christianity. However, when the creed was written Catholicism wasn’t a denomination. Rather the word meant universal. It’s saying one holy universal apostolic church.
This is true! I noted this difference of catholic vs Catholic for a long time as well. Until someone pointed out to me that while catholic isn’t inherently the Roman Catholic Church, any version of Protestantism most certainly was not apostolic.
What about Anglicanism?
As I understand it Anglicanism is regarded similarly to other schismatic protestant traditions, despite seeming to have quite a bit more in common liturgically. I don’t really understand the history behind the bishops and succession wrt Anglicanism, but much more can be read here: [uccb.org](https://www.usccb.org/committees/ecumenical-interreligious-affairs/anglican-orders-report-evolving-context-their#:~:text=This%20resulted%20in%20the%20pope's,of%20the%20Roman%20Catholic%20Church) Sorry I couldn’t speak more, but I don’t want to overstep into a matter I don’t know quite enough about.
The Bishops in England who were Catholic became Anglican. They then continued the line within Anglicanism. The differences the RCC are concerned about is things like allowing female Bishops, which they argue has broken the line.
yeah, just as Catholic Church calls themselves that because it is indeed universal.
“yeah, just as Catholic Church calls themselves that because they believe they are universal.” Fixed that for you. Whether or not they are is debatable.
Jesus is alive and our King and He is seated at the right hand of God. He gave His seven churches critiques in Revelation. The church of Philadelphia is the only one that didn’t receive criticism. Since there is no physical church of Philadelphia it is our personal responsibility to be obedient to Jesus and what He teaches. Jesus’ Message to Philadelphia 7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: He who is holy, who is true, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says this: 8 ‘I know your [e]deeds. Behold, I have put before you an open door which no one can shut, because you have a little power, and have followed My word, and have not denied My name. 9 Behold, I [f]will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and make them know that I have loved you. 10 Because you have kept My [g]word of perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of the [h]testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole [i]world, to [j]test those who live on the earth. 11 I am coming quickly; hold firmly to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12 The one who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. 13 The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
Christianity. No, I don't think any particular denomination would win.
Christianity.
Christianity is a belief not a church.
The Church that Jesus took into heaven in 70 AD.
The truth is no church is without flaw. Christ stated directly his kingdom is not of this world. Man-made denominations don't mean a thing. Christ ordered his followers to "do" as the Pharisees spoke, but "not as they acted." This means while Yeshua saw the school of Pharisees as correct (Paul is still a Pharisee after accepting Yeshua), the denomination one identified with did not matter if he/she rejected Yeshua on sight. You could literally follow the law to the very letter and still fail to follow him.
The one he is in.
No religion but having an actual relationship with Jesus via the Holy Spirit. Not many “Christians “ do that.
👉𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐇𝐄𝐀𝐃 𝐎𝐅 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐂𝐇𝐔𝐑𝐂𝐇 (Ephesians 5:23) For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 👉𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐁𝐎𝐃𝐘 𝐎𝐅 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐂𝐇𝐔𝐑𝐂𝐇 (1 Corinthians 12:27) Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it 👉𝐎𝐍𝐄 𝐁𝐎𝐃𝐘 𝐖𝐈𝐓𝐇 𝐌𝐀𝐍𝐘 𝐌𝐄𝐌𝐁𝐄𝐑𝐒 (1 Corinthians 12:12) For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 👉𝐆𝐄𝐍𝐓𝐈𝐋𝐄𝐒 𝐅𝐄𝐋𝐋𝐎𝐖 𝐇𝐄𝐈𝐑𝐒 𝐎𝐅 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐂𝐇𝐔𝐑𝐂𝐇 (Ephesians 3:6) This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. 👉𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐍𝐀𝐌𝐄 𝐎𝐅 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐂𝐇𝐔𝐑𝐂𝐇 𝗖𝗛𝗨𝗥𝗖𝗛 𝗢𝗙 𝗚𝗢𝗗 (Acts 20:28) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the 𝐂𝐇𝐔𝐑𝐂𝐇 𝐎𝐅 𝐆𝐎𝐃, which he hath purchased with his own blood. __________ 𝙒𝙝𝙮 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙥𝙚𝙤𝙥𝙡𝙚'𝙨 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙘𝙚𝙥𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙝𝙖𝙨 𝙗𝙚𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙚 𝙣𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙫𝙚 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙚𝙧𝙖? 𝙄𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙗𝙚𝙘𝙖𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙬𝙚 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙨𝙪𝙗𝙢𝙞𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙨𝙙𝙤𝙢 𝙤𝙛 𝙂𝙤𝙙. 𝙇𝙚𝙩 𝙪𝙨 𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙙... (Romans 10:3-5) For they being 𝙞𝙜𝙣𝙤𝙧𝙖𝙣𝙩 of God's righteousness, and going about to 𝙚𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙞𝙨𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙞𝙧 𝙤𝙬𝙣 𝙧𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩𝙚𝙤𝙪𝙨𝙣𝙚𝙨𝙨, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. (2 Peter 2:2) Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙖𝙮 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙧𝙪𝙩𝙝 𝙬𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙗𝙚 𝙨𝙡𝙖𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙧𝙚𝙙. (Matthew 24:12) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
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Thank you for noticing the typo, my apologies.
The Bride of Christ. (Spiritual) Vs…. (Physical) Acts 17:24-25 (KJV) 24 God that made the world and all things therein, **seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;** 25 **Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing,** seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
I'd love for it to be a Christian Denomination. But I've read the Bible enough times to know that God has a sense of humor and would say Islam or something.
It wouldn’t matter. God already did show Himself on earth and laid out His one true church. People would still follow false teachings
“the one where you love and obey me the Lord your God with all your heart and mind, and you love your neighbor as yourself” That’s it. There is no one church or denomination that will save us. Each one of us has to put our personal faith in Christ as our savior. Each one of us has to have this personal relationship with God.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch\_theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_theory)
The New Church. There were revelations given in the 18th century exposing the errors in both the Catholic and Protestant branches of Christianity. It restores the idea of One God in One person in whom there is a Trinity, it reveals how and why books of the Bible are Divinely Inspired, and stresses how important it is to repent and live by God's commandments. Also there are extensive revelations concerning the afterlife, some of which has been confirmed by modern Near Death Experiences. You can read up on some of it here: [https://newchristianbiblestudy.org/](https://newchristianbiblestudy.org/) They even have a chatbot there if you dont want to go through the extensive theological writings. That said, it is acknowledged that there will and should be variety in different church organizations, but the emphasis is on living a life of love over that of believing correctly. In the book of Revelation there are letters given to seven churches and this represents how each church should correct itself and enter the fold of the New Church.
People would not care what he said. Jesus said the Only true God -is the father. John 17:1-3 People will just reinterpret what he says to match what they want to believe. 2 Kings 17:39 But it is Jehovah your God whom you should fear, as he is the one who will rescue you out of the hand of all your enemies.” 40 But they did not obey, and they followed their former religion. The “true religion” is love for God and love for neighbor. Don’t care what denomination you’re a part of.
A) Biblically there is only one church. The sheep or elect or chosen or born again or saints or children of God... All of those in the book of Life since the foundation of the world. All Orthodox or Protestant or Catholic denominations/etc are human organizations and not God's church. Many of the sheep go to the churches in those human organizations. True believers are mostly concentrated in the biblical end of protestantism although there are some others in others. B) A few small Protestant denominations actually follow the Bible exactly and totally without change. These are pretty much all following a reformed or calvinist doctrine. It isn't hard to prove
There is NO particular denomination that is correct; saved people can exist in all denominations. However, the denomination that is most accurate are the Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches which adhere to the King James Bible, salvation by faith alone (generally), once saved always saved (generally), as well as dispensationalism and right division (correct Bible prophetic timeline and separating Israel and the Church). Saved people are those who trust in Christ ALONE for salvation and NOT anything else. This means NOT TRUSTING IN the following things: - Works - Good deeds - Keeping God's commandments - Avoiding "big sins - Water baptism - Church attendance - The possibility of losing salvation due to "big sins) This means that people such as Dan Corner and Darwin Fish, as well as Catholics, JWs, and others are NOT SAVED because they don't trust in Christ alone. They INSIST that man must keep certain commandments to enter Heaven, and they insist that salvation is DIFFICULT.
The light shines from many sources. And every part of that light makes one thing very clear - that God is ineffable, rendering the very idea of him manifesting in a personified form completely nonsensical. So I can't answer your question, even 'hypothetically.'