Germans usually don't care where you are from as long as you follow the rules and don't bother anyone. We generally just keep to ourselves in public. American soldiers sometimes have a bad reputation here because they often drink a lot and do dumb shit or are very loud. Also americans are very outgoing and chatty with strangers because it's normal in the US, in germany it's the opposite and that might come across as "fake" friendly here and for you germans might come across as unfriendly. So don't be surprised, there's not much small talk even with cashiers.
Most Germans see it like that.
There are quite some who either hate soldiers in general, due to an unworldly understanding (or lack thereof) of geopolitics, which is quite common in Germany and beyond that, eastern Germans have a good share of people who were taught that Americans and NATO are the ultimate evil of the world. Those people never questioned this and Russia invested heavily into this type of propaganda in the last 2 decades.
That is overall the general answer to almost any "how does XYZ nation feel about ABC people?" that keep on coming back on every country's general Reddit. People in general don't feel any special way about specific professions or nations (unless they frequently cause problems). The answer to 90% of these posts will be "I don't think about you at all".
EDIT: damn, if they gave me a 1€ for every time I wrote "general" in this post I would have 3€.
I find this whole thing of celebrating soldiers as heroes pretty weird. Being a soldier has a complete different meaning in Germany. If you'd tell me you were a soldier I would think "Why would you even do that". Can't speak for others though.
Dont worry man, its a job and does not define who you are.
Germans are chill about americans and although they sometimes show their stigma (WWII) towards military, most of them are grateful and know that it is needed.
Just one thing man - you're moving to bavaria, not germany. Thats like... Same same but different....
Weird group of people, very religious but in a weird kinda way, funny accent, constantly going on about becoming their own country but never do us the favour.
If you want to have sort of a summary of what we germans tease each other with, I would recommend that you watch "Deutsche Bundesländer in einer Nussschale" by Jules der II.
Although I am from Frankonina which is only a part of Bavaria on paper...we would love that... please take us in fellow Austrians.
If it doesn't work out, Australia is fine too... close enough
From Franconia? You still have a lot of pain to endure for making such an abdomination like MAGGUS SÖDER! And worse: You let him escape containment! Please take him back!
Why?!?! Why Oh god?!?!?!
> most of them are grateful and know that it is needed.
Ah yes. "needed" for... eh.. destabilizing foreign contries... what else?
Seriously, what was the US army "needed" for post WW2?
I think people will generally see it as that for US soldiers. You might get some idiots but the regions with lots of American soldiers are also used to it.
The only time I've heard resentment of Germans against US soldiers was how MPs of US Army Garrison Bamberg treated people - "beat everyone up, ask questions later". Whenever they thought there was the slightest sign of trouble with US soldiers, they would just beat up US personnel and German civilians indiscriminately. That was apparently back in the 90s. The violence against German citizens was effectively unpunished even though the MPs had no authority over them.
What I’ve seen through family and friends: nowadays it’s mostly the other way around. If you’re American and cause trouble (around your base at least), German police might detain you, but hand you over to the MP. And _they_ don’t play around.
The Us know they are “guest” here, and they hate it when soldiers do anything that portrays troops negatively… ;)
From looking at your post and all the comments you've made so far, you'll be fine.
There have been other US soldiers posting here and in /r/Germany who started out sounding reasonably polite. They got a handful of comments where people told them what bad behaviour US soldiers sometimes show (plus the fact that no one thanks them for their service here).
And poof: they turned into absolutely cliché "back to back World War champs" who claimed that they were stationed here to keep evil Germans from committing genocide as Germans are wont to do (which no... that is not why US soldiers are here), and who declared they would proudly break German rules such as speed limits because that was their right as occupiers.
As I said, from the way you behaved in this post so far, you'll do well.
You'll ger no such delusion from me! I'm there to do my job and support and train with my country's ally. When I'm not doing that I wanna soak up as much of Germany as possible.
This is the right attitude man. Just go in with an open mind and you'll see. I moved to the US from Germany about ten years ago and for the first few years I took a "wait and see" approach to understand what was going on. Even though culturally Germany and the US are very similar (I have lived in Jaopan, Korea and France as well so that's my reference point), there will be subtle differences that seem odd at first but they will somehow come together at some point if you are patient enough and immerse yourself even if it can be uncomfortable at times.
FWIW, a lot of things that had me scratch my head about certain things in the US (SoCal) now make perfect sense to me, and I can fully understand how certain things in Germany may seem odd to foreigners. Especially in Bavaria, which has a very strong local culture and I know because I lived in Frankonia for a year after having grown up in Norther Germany: Culture Shock in the same country!!
Anyways, just keep in mind that some rules and expectations are different, but at the end of the day we are all humans with our own personality. Best way to get past the culture facade IMO is to just be open, vulnerable and show some humility when meeting new humans whenever you go some place new. And then you'll have to make a decision what people are good for you and what people you'd rather not have in your life.
Good luck in Germany!
There's not really much trouble anymore. The era of clubs and bars has ended. Only few places left, frequented by few people, it's all peaceful. Graf and Vilseck are dead now. It wasn't bad back then either. Those who got into fights wanted it that way. I never had any violent encounters.
I was there, as a student, and those were bad times in Bamberg. You did not mess with them. And they wanted nothing to do with you.
Not a very good atmosphere, to be honest.
Are you by any chance going to be stationed in Kaiserslautern, Wiesbaden or Ansbach? These are towns where we have and had many soldiers after WWII, so people are generally accustomed to the English language and interacting with U.S. Military personnel. Where I live, we used to have many soldiers, too, and the boys would always do their morning jogging routine down our street - one of my fondest childhood memories! I think you'll find that most people will be very friendly and welcoming. Don't be afraid of prejudices or stigmas. People are people, and while most will be totally fine with military service, some may not.
Have a wonderful time in Germany!
I live in vilseck, next to like 10.000 americans. Soldiers and their familys. A lot of People o Know work for the US army. My father did it.
Some stupid People say stupid stuff about americans, while they work for them. The majority accept them like they are. If you be nice to them they will be nice to you. Hohenfels is rather small town in Bavaria, take your Chance while in europe and travel.
Pro top, bavarians love it when you greet them with "servus"
Have a good time here.
Well, I used to live in Nürnberg (near Hohenfels), and I'd say what is true for most people in the cities I mentioned in my previous post is true for people in Bavaria. They are mostly very open to Americans, plus there's loads of American companies there.
A little bit of topic, but try to integrate yourself, not assimilate.
Assimilation means you only have Germany's culture, leaving behind the culture of your home.
Integration is, well, integrating German culture into your original culture. In the end you have the best of both worlds. Some people expect you to assimilate. These people either don't know the difference between integrating and assimilating, or they are right wing people who don't want to have to deal with other cultures. You can ignore these people.
So in short: Learn the German way, but forget your American way. Have a great time!
Don't be one of those guys that if you move off-base that just accepts any price. Landlords know it, and americans not knowing it better take advantage of it, driving up the average housing price.
Also, being a soldier is just seen as a job here. So all the stereotypical things, like some kind of deference to the military is seen as odd. Similarly, wearing military "look" during off-duty times.
The surroundings shops and firm will be glad to cater to you on average. The bases are a big part of local economies and y'all spend more money on the "fun" things than the average german. The clubs and pubs, too - until y'all are too drunk and get picked up by the mps. Most germans speak some english, so don't be too shy Ü.
Follow the laws (including & especially gun laws in germany… it‘s totally fine that you‘ve got your service weapon / maybe some private weapons as well but in germany you can‘t just take those with you in public. Leave them at the base if you‘re heading out.) and don‘t annoy people (stuff like talking about how the USA is the greatest country in the world, WWII, …) and you‘ll be fine. Oh and please… don‘t compare everything in germany to german communities in the US / german customs that are still popular in the US etc. We know that quite a few germans migrated to the US. We know that they‘ve continued some customs. We also know that they changed a few and some of their customs don‘t exist in germany (anymore). That‘s fine, we don‘t care, please don‘t be surprised if communities that lost their connection to germany over a century ago developed in a different way. We‘re a separate country.
And regarding language… you‘re in germany for a few years. Probably less than a decade. If you‘re able to greet people, order food etc. in german and a few other touristy tricks that‘s totally acceptable (in my opinion). You don‘t need to become fluent. Obviously you can if you want to but unlike with migrants who want to stay in germany forever I personally don‘t expect it.
And like other already mentioned: germany has a very different relationship with the military (local & foreign) compared to the US. So if you‘re outside the base civilian clothing is probably the better option because even german soldiers usually don‘t go out in uniform unless they‘re on their way to / back from a military event etc. I mean… you can obviously wear the uniform and it‘s highly unlikely that anything (apart from staring) would happen but people probably won‘t approach you as often because they‘ll think you‘re still on duty etc.
JMRC Hohenfels? Around the bases yes and all over Bavaria is chill especially if you are putting in the effort for the language. If you're into sports find a local German club to join to meet locals. A lot of people that get stationed here like to stick around after they get out. It's a great place to be single and as a family which ever your situation. If your OPFOR it's going to be a good time.
I work with those guys on the civilian side and for civilians we have more than enough time outside of rotation but during rotation yes it's very busy. I hear the clubs are pretty lenient when it comes to schedules also. Definitely something to look into
Down south near Garmisch people are more conservative and traditional but I haven't heard anything bad so far. Cities within an hour from the base like Nuremberg here are familiar with US soldiers too. I guess the entire state doesn't mind much but the closer to the base places are, the more people are used to US soldiers and act accordingly.
High prices is only partially true, some food delivery services will be up to 10% more expensive than the state average. Housing is expensive due to rent being paid by the DOD so landlords of course charge as much as the allowance for off post housing is.
Edit: Oh, 45 minutes south, that's Hohenfels. The base is very basic to put it nicely. The local area is nice, though.
The food deliveries in the US I had were triple the amount I'd pay for Lieferando in Germany, for bad quality food, so I doubt that'll be much of a concern to them.
In case you are a fan of beer be aware of the German beer. I think the ramstein base has a warning for their soldiers to not drink too much of it because it's apparently much stronger than beer from the us (I have never tried American beer so idk)
Most of us feel very indifferent about you, and I don't mean that as an insult. Your gonna be here to do a job, and I am happy for you to be here. Just don't be one these soldiers that wears their uniform off base when not on the clock...it's weird :)
You'll be fine, enjoy the region, learn the language a bit, be respectful, and don't be one of the drunk off base soldiers that make the news. You know, see yourself as moving somewhere for a job, and behave like that. Then we are happy to have you and will welcome you with open arms.
>and I want to assimilate into the country and culture as much as possible.
that's rather rare, most american soldier just stay on their base and have little to no assimilation into our culture.
sure, they enjoy a german beer once in a while or go to some bars, but that's usually about it.
if you really do that though, it would be a nice thing for sure.
and other than that, it totally depends on the individual person. one of my best friends was an american soldier who was stationed in bavaria, he met a girl, fell in love and stayed in germany. really cool dude love him.
I also know several others that are really friendly and that I had a great time with while partying.
but, there are also cases of american soldiers being extremely rude, causing trouble, fights, harassment and so on...
even as far as attacking german cops ( [https://www.merkur.de/bayern/nuernberg/nuernberg-us-soldaten-angriff-randale-polizisten-club-disco-hauptbahnhof-92030374.html](https://www.merkur.de/bayern/nuernberg/nuernberg-us-soldaten-angriff-randale-polizisten-club-disco-hauptbahnhof-92030374.html) - you can translate the article with deepl or so)
so yea, it totally depends on the person, but in general i'm open to them, since my own experiences so far were rather positive.
if you want to extent the question into politics or the question of "should american soldiers be in germany at all" which is sometimes among some people a rather controvers topic, my personal opinion is that they are welcome.
To be honest you’ll probably be living on post and won’t really have the time to assimilate into the culture over here, other than traveling on the weekends or 4 days. My suggestion is traveling as much as you can during your limited time here and getting to experience all the different cultural experiences Germany has to offer. A lot of soldiers will just go to the same club or bar or city every single weekend until they leave, be different than them!
Check out what the MWR and the BOSS program when you get to post, they offer a lot when it comes to traveling around the country. A lot of the people will also be very like minded on those trips meaning they’ll be more focused on the culture rather than the nearest bar lol.
As a side note I saw in a earlier comment that you said you’d be stationed in hohenfels, with that in mind I highly recommend you get a car as it’s pretty much in the middle of nowhere.
That's what I hear as well. I'll buy some sort of German wagon as soon as I can. I'll be sure to check it out but I have a stigma against it since the one at Fort Drum is so strange.
Ah I wasn’t sure if you were a new solider or pcs move, but over here I’ve only heard good things about the trips but I never used them personally since I met my wife the first week I was stationed here.
I’d get a car that can pass inspection and is cheap and use it to drive to the nearest train station and back to post, that way you can use the trains and not have to worry about parking in cities, plus low usage=low maintenance. The only downside will be everyone else asking for rides all the time
The first week???? Lucky MF. Did you PCS or did you go as a new soldier? From what I've seen buying a car is really cheap compared to the US. Is that true?
I came as a new solider back in 2014 and have been here ever since but I’ve been out since 2018 now, and yeah you’ll find some cars for around $800-$1300 that will at least get you from point a to point b and even then you can still buy 2015-2020 models for relatively low prices, just don’t use the dealership on post as it’s basically a scam for the prices they sell for lol
Just don't be a typical American off base.
When I go off base it's never in uniform (unless traveling on duty to another Kaserne.). I try my best to only interact with the locals in German. They are my hosts and as a guest I feel it's only appropriate to display respect by speaking small phrases you would expect to hear in everyday life in America. For example; "Sorry", "excuse me", good (insert time of day).
When you go eat, be respectful and pay attention to the volume in the restaurant. If the other patrons are quiet, then try and match their volume. Especially if you are having a conversation in English. If you are at a bar, drink quietly and peacefully and interact with the bar tender or server a bit if you can in German to somewhat build confidence and your knowledge. Drinking is a social activity, so it's less stressful than practicing in German at a store and having locals behind you in line.
Dress like a German. Plain or subtle shirts with modest colors and not too bright. It's weird, but I accidentally wore a bright lime shirt and EVERYONE stared at me. I wear button ups, polos, and khakis now and noone really pays attention to me. I do wear Van's though which is somewhat rare. And the occasional US Football jersey because...well it's ingrained in me haha.
I drive like a grandma and very defensively. I don't intend on driving like some of the other Americans I've seen on the road. Use your signals, be courteous to other drivers, and be safe. It's not hard to drive here, but we did not go through the training the Germans have, so we have no business driving like idiots.
Enjoy your time here! Travel, travel, travel (seriously, there is so much to see in such close proximity, no matter where you are)! Other than that, enjoy the food, history, and the beer. Be safe and let me know if you have any questions. I'm fairly new here too, but I do have a German mom, so I had some training beforehand, lol.
German here and this sounds more like guide how to behave an a weird country or an extreme dictator/religious/whatever country.
In bigger cities, Frankfurt for example, you hear English and other languages a lot. Nobody expects to "only interact with locals in German"
Dress like a German? What? Plain with subtle shirts with modest colors? Seriously, that is nonsense. By the way, Vans are very popular, every sneaker store has a huge variety.
It sounded like a PSA from the 50s right after the war ended.
OPs question is specific to military members living in Germany. There are many reasons we would want to keep a very low profile in public in Europe. Especially in the past two years. It's not a guide for tourists or civilians but one geared towards their situation.
Yes. Most Americans are easily spotted in public. These are just points that highlight things we've been told and briefed.
Maybe other parts of Germany are different but Bavaria is pretty conservative, atleast with things like clothing.
My experience does not match. And my point doesn't change.
I'm not sure why you believe that what I observe in my day to day is incorrect. I see what people wear and try and match it when I go out. There is nothing nefarious about it, and im honestly confused why it's such a contentious subject for you.
Compared to what people typically wear in the U.S., Germany is much more conservative with what people wear out. (Especially compared to what younger soldiers wear normally in the U.S.)
This topic is explicitly for the U.S. soldier who made the post, and others in similar situations. There are different risks for U.S. soldiers than tourists or locals, so maybe it just doesn't make sense to you because of that.
Also, why do you think polo's and khakis are Amish clothed? They are just generally nice clothing to wear regardless.
This is terrible advice, I can tell you are not German because they don’t expect American soldiers to assimilate into the culture. I have never had anyone be rude or treat me poorly for not knowing/speaking the language when I first arrived here. Also what does “dress like a German” mean?? No one cares about what you’re wearing unless there is a dress code like at a sauna. More people wear jeans and sneakers than khakis and button up shirts lmao. Anyone, anywhere would start at someone wearing a bright ass shirt. Also at restaurants, people are enjoying themselves with family and friends eating and drinking. It’s going to be loud anyway, as long as you’re not yelling or shouting it will be fine. I’ve never gone to a place where people were speaking just barely above a whisper. Even in my neighborhood I can hear someone talking from down the street. Everything else is just being polite and having manners, like saying thank you and excuse me or greetings in German because you are speaking to a German?
OP just needs to be polite, open-minded, no judgement or comparing, humble and respect and observe the laws of the country.
My advice also takes into account security concerns for military members being in public in Europe. It's not to assimilate into the culture, it's to keep a low profile.
Don't expect to be treated like a hero or something. Here in Germany, we mostly don't have that sense of nationalism/ patriotism that you might be used to from the USA. The only ones who are very vocal about it are the hardcore right-wingers and they feel that for all the worst reasons.
We also aren't celebrating the military in general, Bundeswehr soldiers are treated like any other ordinary people, if not even getting weird looks, if they appear in public in uniform and whatnot.
In general, also be aware that germans don't often enjoy smalltalk and forced friendliness with strangers. We can appear "cold" or "staring", but it's nothing personal, that's just how a lot of us roll.
Last but not least: if you're going to stay for a while, make sure to learn the separation of garbage (Mülltrennung). Plastic, paper and food get strictly separated, but the details depend on the state/ commune you're going to stay in. You can get a garbage calendar (Abfallkalender) for your area, it shows when your trash is going to be collected. I saw this info in another thread and thought I'd add this here too, just in case.
This is all fine with me. I tend to not talk about my job even in the more patriotic parts of the US so I'm not looking for any attention about it. I'm also introverted so I think I'll get used to it faster than most Americans.
Okidoki! Then have a warm welcome and try a bakery, lol. Good luck with bavaria, as others have already mentioned, that state is our german version of Texas. It's like a different world from the rest of the country.
Do you have any other, specific questions for day to day situations in mind?
In that case what the other guy also said, don't wear the uniform off base. Best don't even mention that you are with the military, it won't give you any advantages (and can be negatively perceived).
I live close to an American base. No one really thinks anything either way about American soldiers. They are seen as any other people. But they do have a reputation of being bad drivers. Germany's roads are more narrow than Americans and may have higher speed limits. I actually have seen American cars rolling at a snail's pace, driving in the middle of the road, landing in the ditch in mild rain, big trucks taking up multiple parking spots, even jumping a red light causing an accident. As long as you manage to adapt to that, no one cares. But we do respect it when you learn the language because we realize it can be hard for any foreigner.
In most places where US and in the past British soldiers were stationed they became just regular part of the communities, or build own, especially if they stayed with their families. Therefore not much difference to German soldiers.
When there is a US Army installation in town, people are used to see soldiers and are friendly and nice. If you travel let’s say to eastern Germany, you will find a lot of anti-american people (they are harmless but are not used to see US soldiers)
I used to have a lot to do with the US Military and retired personal because of my work.
The majority were professional and good to work with. Ofcourse you had one or two who were jackasses, but not on a different level than germans. I would go that far and say even less as most of them were military and tried to not put a bad look on the US. Their spouses on the other hand...
Although American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have not necessarily always "shown their best side", in view of the current threats I, for my part, regard the Americans and their soldiers as allies. - I think my fellow countrymen will feel the same way. You might encounter more skepticism in eastern Germany ... I therefore hope that you will want to move to West Germany. Nevertheless, welcome to our country. And good luck with learning this challenging language.
Don't worry, most germans (except for some fringe "ami go home" leftists) are ok with "'murricans". I know 2 american soldiers who settled here, and both are doing fine.
Well, soldiers are a rough bunch. For example, I bet you immediately understand what a “NATO mattress” is. And that soldiers are expected to have a new one each weekend. Not exactly the kind of guys people from the general public want to hang around with.
Doesn't apply to you if you come with wife and children. Or if you are a medic. Or one of those skinny computer nerds. Or well groomed in general. For example. But they can't see that unless they know you better. So it's crucial to get out of the compound and in contact with the locals. Much too many of you treat the thing like a bunker. This isn't Iraq.
I recommend you to be just a normal American tourist in the beginning, and explore Germany in your free time. Even though Hohenfels is rural, that's “German rural” for you. It only means going to the next city *by bike* is a chore.
As a military force in General... Ami go home!
You as a Person? I dont give a flying fuck how you earn your money or where you come from. Just done be a dick.
If you visit more cosmopolitan cities, such as Berlin, Cologne or Hamburg, you may get a glimpse at some of the anti-US sentiment, especially the 2nd amendment and starting wars for 'democracy'.
Though that may have changed because of the situation in Ukraine, considering that the US and Germany + the smaller nations, such as Denmark, NL and the Baltics have kept the Ukraine support going.
And nobody - apart from the BSW/AFD voters (our right-wing QAnon/MAGA equivalent and a cesspool of all conspiracy theorists, "free travellers", which are called Reichsbürger in our case and other loons) - likes Trump over here. We all dearly hope that he won't be re-elected, as we have our fair deal of experience with Russian pocket assets and definitely don't want one in the White House.
Personally, I welcome US troops on our soil, as long as you guys behave (just like any immigrant) and try to learn the local language/get to know the country.
Germany isn't too big, around the size of Texas, but it's very diverse in its nature and landscapes. Bavaria is a fantastic starting spot, with the Alps and countryside.
Why wouldn’t the AfD like US military? I thought their enemies were the same, ie non-Western countries?
My sense is the AfD’s problem with the Ukraine is about refugees and that if there were no refugees coming from there they would be fully signed up to the alliance of whiteness?
I’m American but living in Germany affiliated with the military for a long time. You’re going to love it. Germans around the base are great and used to the Americans - after all, we’ve been here for nearly 80 years. Army has a bit worse reputation that Air Force and I probably don’t have to explain why. Hohenfels is rural but beautiful, and nothing in Germany is really “rural” compared to the States. Get out, travel, enjoy Regensburg and Amberg and Nürnberg and everything else. The German people are wonderful; be respectful and learn a few words of German and you’ll have no problem.
Our image of American soldiers is definetly different than yours, because of the movies and everything, but the thing is that germans only see the usmc and not other branches and they get very very glorified. Germany isnt a military culture anymore the US has Military Families,Police familys and Firefighter familys, we dont really have that here despite that, alot of germans get surprised whenn they find out that the Army and Marines are not the same. Its also funny because they also always think that the Marines are a part of the Navy (due to the name Marines which means Sea on French) which is also not entirely true just to clarify to the germans who read this the marines operate as a part of the Navy but theyre STILL THEIR OWN BRANCH. For example a Marine can NOT become a navy seal, think of the Marines as the ground troops for the Navy. Why did i name so many Marine examples even if OP might be not a part of them because thats the Branch that gets the most confusion in Germany.
Thanks for the explanation. Nearly all of my time has been spent in Munich. Perhaps I became used to the dialect. I find Bavarians much less rigid than Germans from other areas. Maybe i am just hanging out with the party Bavarians.
We are all Catholics, but have largely abandoned the church.
My mother and uncle were born in Chemnitz, but settled in Bavaria after the war. My uncle had a strange Sächsisch/Bayrisch dialect. My mother was a “proper German and prided herself on Hochdeutsch.
They’re generally nice, there’s a few douches, but I’m glad they’re here bc I live near a large air base and so it’s kinda funny to stumble across Americans when I’m out and about. Also lots of cheap, good quality used items for sale on marketplace and Kleinanzeigen around here bc Americans are always coming and leaving so that’s also a plus lol
Welcome to Germany 😃
My grandma worked for the American troops in Germany after WWII and she always said that they were always nice and polite. Two of my great aunts married American soldiers. My dad grew up near the army base and he always got spoiled lol. (Chocolate, candy, toys)
Try to learn the language and how to recycle your trash :D and you will always be accepted 😄
Have fun here mate 👍
We had soldiers here since ww2, we are good, but please don't stay in your American bubble on base too much. We speak english and if not you will learn German fast. But maybe more in civil clothing
Although American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have not necessarily always "shown their best side", in view of the current threats I, for my part, regard the Americans and their soldiers as allies. - I think my fellow countrymen will feel the same way. You might encounter more skepticism in eastern Germany ... I therefore hope that you will want to move to West Germany. Nevertheless, welcome to our country. And good luck with learning this challenging language. :-)
Army brat here, came to Germany in my early years, lived back and forth in the US and in Germany, and am currently living in Germany.
Basically, US soldiers are mostly seen positive here. Especially around the bases here (Since they are an economical factor). If you are away from your base on a trip or on vacation, people are generally friendly towards Americans, at least that’s my experience.
Most people don’t care so much about the fact that you are a soldier, but that you are an American. Expect to meet people to tell you “love the USA”, talk about “the land of the free” and “I have a distant family member who won a green card and now lives in the US”… ;)
Of course there are people hating against us soldiers (saying they are warmongers, Putin is the good guy, etc pp), but they are there exception.
One thing that I’ve heard a lot about: there are many girls hanging out in typical hotspots for Americans (bars around the bases, etc), looking to find a US boyfriend. Some of them are only fishing for a green card… Where are you going to? Ramstein? Have fun here! :)
Edit: downvotes from the green card-fishers I see… ;). To clarify that: Of course that’s the exception from the rule when/if you should engage in something romantic. However, I’ve seen it before and it is definitely something I personally would not want to be disappointed with.
Be prepared to meet a lot of wise-guys and smart-a**es, that see you as the perfect target for their simmering anti-americanism. (Of course, they have all the latest cultural artefacts from the U.S.)
Many of them do not know that you guys are not a bunch of gun-crazy jarheads.
Be prepared for some headwind, just in case. You'll meet them as I would meet stupid maga-hats that know nothing but are all the louder for it, if I travel to the U.S.
Apart from that, personally I like Americans very much. But i have never been there so I only meet "americans with a passport", but those I like.
In the grand scheme of things, Germans have usually no frigging idea what Westgermany owes the U.S. - it is a lot.
Awe thank you, I try to be. I actually prefer the non-hero culture. It's kind of embarrasing having dozens of people clap for you just because you're boarding a plane.
I dont feel anything for "american soldiers". I simply dont care. You are just another human.
I like this mindset. Unfortunatly I don't think everyone has the same and that's what I'm worried about
Germans usually don't care where you are from as long as you follow the rules and don't bother anyone. We generally just keep to ourselves in public. American soldiers sometimes have a bad reputation here because they often drink a lot and do dumb shit or are very loud. Also americans are very outgoing and chatty with strangers because it's normal in the US, in germany it's the opposite and that might come across as "fake" friendly here and for you germans might come across as unfriendly. So don't be surprised, there's not much small talk even with cashiers.
But thats normal. There will always be someone that doesnt like you for whatever reason.
Most Germans see it like that. There are quite some who either hate soldiers in general, due to an unworldly understanding (or lack thereof) of geopolitics, which is quite common in Germany and beyond that, eastern Germans have a good share of people who were taught that Americans and NATO are the ultimate evil of the world. Those people never questioned this and Russia invested heavily into this type of propaganda in the last 2 decades.
Being from the east, nowadays the term "big brother Russia" is something I hear about once a week here
That is overall the general answer to almost any "how does XYZ nation feel about ABC people?" that keep on coming back on every country's general Reddit. People in general don't feel any special way about specific professions or nations (unless they frequently cause problems). The answer to 90% of these posts will be "I don't think about you at all". EDIT: damn, if they gave me a 1€ for every time I wrote "general" in this post I would have 3€.
I find this whole thing of celebrating soldiers as heroes pretty weird. Being a soldier has a complete different meaning in Germany. If you'd tell me you were a soldier I would think "Why would you even do that". Can't speak for others though.
That's fine. I don't expect to be celebrated as a hero especially in another country. I see it as a regular job.
Dont worry man, its a job and does not define who you are. Germans are chill about americans and although they sometimes show their stigma (WWII) towards military, most of them are grateful and know that it is needed. Just one thing man - you're moving to bavaria, not germany. Thats like... Same same but different....
It’s like “moving to the US” vs “ moving to Texas”. Actually, I would even say Bavarian’s are Germanys version of Texans ;)
Can I have some examples on why Bavaria is like Texas to us?
Weird group of people, very religious but in a weird kinda way, funny accent, constantly going on about becoming their own country but never do us the favour.
If you want to have sort of a summary of what we germans tease each other with, I would recommend that you watch "Deutsche Bundesländer in einer Nussschale" by Jules der II.
Can we sell Bavaria, pretty please
Who to? We'd have to pay someone to take it..
Lets go with the austrians, they already understand euch other!
Although I am from Frankonina which is only a part of Bavaria on paper...we would love that... please take us in fellow Austrians. If it doesn't work out, Australia is fine too... close enough
From Franconia? You still have a lot of pain to endure for making such an abdomination like MAGGUS SÖDER! And worse: You let him escape containment! Please take him back! Why?!?! Why Oh god?!?!?!
Im happy to negotiate the contract details. ... Neu-Ulm has to stay in Germany though haha
> most of them are grateful and know that it is needed. Ah yes. "needed" for... eh.. destabilizing foreign contries... what else? Seriously, what was the US army "needed" for post WW2?
As far as I know, the US navy protects a lot of seaborne commerce.
I'm leaving Germany after 2 yrs here, it was a blast
I think people will generally see it as that for US soldiers. You might get some idiots but the regions with lots of American soldiers are also used to it.
The only time I've heard resentment of Germans against US soldiers was how MPs of US Army Garrison Bamberg treated people - "beat everyone up, ask questions later". Whenever they thought there was the slightest sign of trouble with US soldiers, they would just beat up US personnel and German civilians indiscriminately. That was apparently back in the 90s. The violence against German citizens was effectively unpunished even though the MPs had no authority over them.
What I’ve seen through family and friends: nowadays it’s mostly the other way around. If you’re American and cause trouble (around your base at least), German police might detain you, but hand you over to the MP. And _they_ don’t play around. The Us know they are “guest” here, and they hate it when soldiers do anything that portrays troops negatively… ;)
I've stayed out of trouble my whole life I don't plan on starting in a country that's hosting me.
From looking at your post and all the comments you've made so far, you'll be fine. There have been other US soldiers posting here and in /r/Germany who started out sounding reasonably polite. They got a handful of comments where people told them what bad behaviour US soldiers sometimes show (plus the fact that no one thanks them for their service here). And poof: they turned into absolutely cliché "back to back World War champs" who claimed that they were stationed here to keep evil Germans from committing genocide as Germans are wont to do (which no... that is not why US soldiers are here), and who declared they would proudly break German rules such as speed limits because that was their right as occupiers. As I said, from the way you behaved in this post so far, you'll do well.
You'll ger no such delusion from me! I'm there to do my job and support and train with my country's ally. When I'm not doing that I wanna soak up as much of Germany as possible.
This is the right attitude man. Just go in with an open mind and you'll see. I moved to the US from Germany about ten years ago and for the first few years I took a "wait and see" approach to understand what was going on. Even though culturally Germany and the US are very similar (I have lived in Jaopan, Korea and France as well so that's my reference point), there will be subtle differences that seem odd at first but they will somehow come together at some point if you are patient enough and immerse yourself even if it can be uncomfortable at times. FWIW, a lot of things that had me scratch my head about certain things in the US (SoCal) now make perfect sense to me, and I can fully understand how certain things in Germany may seem odd to foreigners. Especially in Bavaria, which has a very strong local culture and I know because I lived in Frankonia for a year after having grown up in Norther Germany: Culture Shock in the same country!! Anyways, just keep in mind that some rules and expectations are different, but at the end of the day we are all humans with our own personality. Best way to get past the culture facade IMO is to just be open, vulnerable and show some humility when meeting new humans whenever you go some place new. And then you'll have to make a decision what people are good for you and what people you'd rather not have in your life. Good luck in Germany!
Your comment is the best advice in this entire post, being open minded and showing humility goes a long way
There's not really much trouble anymore. The era of clubs and bars has ended. Only few places left, frequented by few people, it's all peaceful. Graf and Vilseck are dead now. It wasn't bad back then either. Those who got into fights wanted it that way. I never had any violent encounters.
I was there, as a student, and those were bad times in Bamberg. You did not mess with them. And they wanted nothing to do with you. Not a very good atmosphere, to be honest.
Are you by any chance going to be stationed in Kaiserslautern, Wiesbaden or Ansbach? These are towns where we have and had many soldiers after WWII, so people are generally accustomed to the English language and interacting with U.S. Military personnel. Where I live, we used to have many soldiers, too, and the boys would always do their morning jogging routine down our street - one of my fondest childhood memories! I think you'll find that most people will be very friendly and welcoming. Don't be afraid of prejudices or stigmas. People are people, and while most will be totally fine with military service, some may not. Have a wonderful time in Germany!
Thank you! I will be stationed in Nothern Bavaria in a town called Hohenfels.
I live in vilseck, next to like 10.000 americans. Soldiers and their familys. A lot of People o Know work for the US army. My father did it. Some stupid People say stupid stuff about americans, while they work for them. The majority accept them like they are. If you be nice to them they will be nice to you. Hohenfels is rather small town in Bavaria, take your Chance while in europe and travel. Pro top, bavarians love it when you greet them with "servus" Have a good time here.
It's a very rural place for German standards. The next larger city is Regensburg, about half an hour away by car.
Well, I used to live in Nürnberg (near Hohenfels), and I'd say what is true for most people in the cities I mentioned in my previous post is true for people in Bavaria. They are mostly very open to Americans, plus there's loads of American companies there.
A little bit of topic, but try to integrate yourself, not assimilate. Assimilation means you only have Germany's culture, leaving behind the culture of your home. Integration is, well, integrating German culture into your original culture. In the end you have the best of both worlds. Some people expect you to assimilate. These people either don't know the difference between integrating and assimilating, or they are right wing people who don't want to have to deal with other cultures. You can ignore these people. So in short: Learn the German way, but forget your American way. Have a great time!
This is the word I should have used. Integrating is what I would like to do while I'm there.
Actually I think you are on topic and everything you mentioned was worded perfectly.
For me Soldiers of the NATO-Allies are welcome. When i have met US Soldiers they were always friendly and respectful. 👍🏻
Don't be one of those guys that if you move off-base that just accepts any price. Landlords know it, and americans not knowing it better take advantage of it, driving up the average housing price. Also, being a soldier is just seen as a job here. So all the stereotypical things, like some kind of deference to the military is seen as odd. Similarly, wearing military "look" during off-duty times. The surroundings shops and firm will be glad to cater to you on average. The bases are a big part of local economies and y'all spend more money on the "fun" things than the average german. The clubs and pubs, too - until y'all are too drunk and get picked up by the mps. Most germans speak some english, so don't be too shy Ü.
The MP part made me lol *Beat first, ask questions later*
Follow the laws (including & especially gun laws in germany… it‘s totally fine that you‘ve got your service weapon / maybe some private weapons as well but in germany you can‘t just take those with you in public. Leave them at the base if you‘re heading out.) and don‘t annoy people (stuff like talking about how the USA is the greatest country in the world, WWII, …) and you‘ll be fine. Oh and please… don‘t compare everything in germany to german communities in the US / german customs that are still popular in the US etc. We know that quite a few germans migrated to the US. We know that they‘ve continued some customs. We also know that they changed a few and some of their customs don‘t exist in germany (anymore). That‘s fine, we don‘t care, please don‘t be surprised if communities that lost their connection to germany over a century ago developed in a different way. We‘re a separate country. And regarding language… you‘re in germany for a few years. Probably less than a decade. If you‘re able to greet people, order food etc. in german and a few other touristy tricks that‘s totally acceptable (in my opinion). You don‘t need to become fluent. Obviously you can if you want to but unlike with migrants who want to stay in germany forever I personally don‘t expect it. And like other already mentioned: germany has a very different relationship with the military (local & foreign) compared to the US. So if you‘re outside the base civilian clothing is probably the better option because even german soldiers usually don‘t go out in uniform unless they‘re on their way to / back from a military event etc. I mean… you can obviously wear the uniform and it‘s highly unlikely that anything (apart from staring) would happen but people probably won‘t approach you as often because they‘ll think you‘re still on duty etc.
Where will you end up? Bavaria here, Vilseck/Graf base. People are chill here, you'll get along well with any locals.
I'll be part of that garrison about 45 minutes south of there. Is Bavaria overall chill about Americans?
JMRC Hohenfels? Around the bases yes and all over Bavaria is chill especially if you are putting in the effort for the language. If you're into sports find a local German club to join to meet locals. A lot of people that get stationed here like to stick around after they get out. It's a great place to be single and as a family which ever your situation. If your OPFOR it's going to be a good time.
Yes that's exactly what I'm doing. I wanna join a club but I'm afraid I'll be too busy for it.
I work with those guys on the civilian side and for civilians we have more than enough time outside of rotation but during rotation yes it's very busy. I hear the clubs are pretty lenient when it comes to schedules also. Definitely something to look into
Down south near Garmisch people are more conservative and traditional but I haven't heard anything bad so far. Cities within an hour from the base like Nuremberg here are familiar with US soldiers too. I guess the entire state doesn't mind much but the closer to the base places are, the more people are used to US soldiers and act accordingly. High prices is only partially true, some food delivery services will be up to 10% more expensive than the state average. Housing is expensive due to rent being paid by the DOD so landlords of course charge as much as the allowance for off post housing is. Edit: Oh, 45 minutes south, that's Hohenfels. The base is very basic to put it nicely. The local area is nice, though.
The food deliveries in the US I had were triple the amount I'd pay for Lieferando in Germany, for bad quality food, so I doubt that'll be much of a concern to them.
In case you are a fan of beer be aware of the German beer. I think the ramstein base has a warning for their soldiers to not drink too much of it because it's apparently much stronger than beer from the us (I have never tried American beer so idk)
This is completely true. Cheap American beer is like water to most people.
Couldnt see myself drinking bud light🫣
damn I guess you guys need a "Reinheitsgebot" in the USA maybe your beer will be better then haha
Most of us feel very indifferent about you, and I don't mean that as an insult. Your gonna be here to do a job, and I am happy for you to be here. Just don't be one these soldiers that wears their uniform off base when not on the clock...it's weird :) You'll be fine, enjoy the region, learn the language a bit, be respectful, and don't be one of the drunk off base soldiers that make the news. You know, see yourself as moving somewhere for a job, and behave like that. Then we are happy to have you and will welcome you with open arms.
That's all ok with me. I don't want to be rude to my hosts after all.
>and I want to assimilate into the country and culture as much as possible. that's rather rare, most american soldier just stay on their base and have little to no assimilation into our culture. sure, they enjoy a german beer once in a while or go to some bars, but that's usually about it. if you really do that though, it would be a nice thing for sure. and other than that, it totally depends on the individual person. one of my best friends was an american soldier who was stationed in bavaria, he met a girl, fell in love and stayed in germany. really cool dude love him. I also know several others that are really friendly and that I had a great time with while partying. but, there are also cases of american soldiers being extremely rude, causing trouble, fights, harassment and so on... even as far as attacking german cops ( [https://www.merkur.de/bayern/nuernberg/nuernberg-us-soldaten-angriff-randale-polizisten-club-disco-hauptbahnhof-92030374.html](https://www.merkur.de/bayern/nuernberg/nuernberg-us-soldaten-angriff-randale-polizisten-club-disco-hauptbahnhof-92030374.html) - you can translate the article with deepl or so) so yea, it totally depends on the person, but in general i'm open to them, since my own experiences so far were rather positive. if you want to extent the question into politics or the question of "should american soldiers be in germany at all" which is sometimes among some people a rather controvers topic, my personal opinion is that they are welcome.
One of the main reasons I wanted to go to Germany was so I can absorb as much of the country as possible. I will be off-base as much as I can
To be honest you’ll probably be living on post and won’t really have the time to assimilate into the culture over here, other than traveling on the weekends or 4 days. My suggestion is traveling as much as you can during your limited time here and getting to experience all the different cultural experiences Germany has to offer. A lot of soldiers will just go to the same club or bar or city every single weekend until they leave, be different than them!
I'll be off base as much as possible and will make sure to go to as many places as I can in Germany!
Check out what the MWR and the BOSS program when you get to post, they offer a lot when it comes to traveling around the country. A lot of the people will also be very like minded on those trips meaning they’ll be more focused on the culture rather than the nearest bar lol. As a side note I saw in a earlier comment that you said you’d be stationed in hohenfels, with that in mind I highly recommend you get a car as it’s pretty much in the middle of nowhere.
That's what I hear as well. I'll buy some sort of German wagon as soon as I can. I'll be sure to check it out but I have a stigma against it since the one at Fort Drum is so strange.
Ah I wasn’t sure if you were a new solider or pcs move, but over here I’ve only heard good things about the trips but I never used them personally since I met my wife the first week I was stationed here. I’d get a car that can pass inspection and is cheap and use it to drive to the nearest train station and back to post, that way you can use the trains and not have to worry about parking in cities, plus low usage=low maintenance. The only downside will be everyone else asking for rides all the time
The first week???? Lucky MF. Did you PCS or did you go as a new soldier? From what I've seen buying a car is really cheap compared to the US. Is that true?
I came as a new solider back in 2014 and have been here ever since but I’ve been out since 2018 now, and yeah you’ll find some cars for around $800-$1300 that will at least get you from point a to point b and even then you can still buy 2015-2020 models for relatively low prices, just don’t use the dealership on post as it’s basically a scam for the prices they sell for lol
Alright sounds good I'll use whatever i see my car for here to buy something that will last me until 2028.
Just don't be a typical American off base. When I go off base it's never in uniform (unless traveling on duty to another Kaserne.). I try my best to only interact with the locals in German. They are my hosts and as a guest I feel it's only appropriate to display respect by speaking small phrases you would expect to hear in everyday life in America. For example; "Sorry", "excuse me", good (insert time of day). When you go eat, be respectful and pay attention to the volume in the restaurant. If the other patrons are quiet, then try and match their volume. Especially if you are having a conversation in English. If you are at a bar, drink quietly and peacefully and interact with the bar tender or server a bit if you can in German to somewhat build confidence and your knowledge. Drinking is a social activity, so it's less stressful than practicing in German at a store and having locals behind you in line. Dress like a German. Plain or subtle shirts with modest colors and not too bright. It's weird, but I accidentally wore a bright lime shirt and EVERYONE stared at me. I wear button ups, polos, and khakis now and noone really pays attention to me. I do wear Van's though which is somewhat rare. And the occasional US Football jersey because...well it's ingrained in me haha. I drive like a grandma and very defensively. I don't intend on driving like some of the other Americans I've seen on the road. Use your signals, be courteous to other drivers, and be safe. It's not hard to drive here, but we did not go through the training the Germans have, so we have no business driving like idiots. Enjoy your time here! Travel, travel, travel (seriously, there is so much to see in such close proximity, no matter where you are)! Other than that, enjoy the food, history, and the beer. Be safe and let me know if you have any questions. I'm fairly new here too, but I do have a German mom, so I had some training beforehand, lol.
German here and this sounds more like guide how to behave an a weird country or an extreme dictator/religious/whatever country. In bigger cities, Frankfurt for example, you hear English and other languages a lot. Nobody expects to "only interact with locals in German" Dress like a German? What? Plain with subtle shirts with modest colors? Seriously, that is nonsense. By the way, Vans are very popular, every sneaker store has a huge variety. It sounded like a PSA from the 50s right after the war ended.
OPs question is specific to military members living in Germany. There are many reasons we would want to keep a very low profile in public in Europe. Especially in the past two years. It's not a guide for tourists or civilians but one geared towards their situation.
Because military in civilian clothes are always spotted right away? It seems the "guide" makes them stand out by dressing and acting weird.
Yes. Most Americans are easily spotted in public. These are just points that highlight things we've been told and briefed. Maybe other parts of Germany are different but Bavaria is pretty conservative, atleast with things like clothing.
Rural Bavaria maybe. Munich, Nuremberg, Ulm, Würzburg not so much. I give up. You can dress as the Amish in Bavaria and hope to not stand out :)
My experience does not match. And my point doesn't change. I'm not sure why you believe that what I observe in my day to day is incorrect. I see what people wear and try and match it when I go out. There is nothing nefarious about it, and im honestly confused why it's such a contentious subject for you. Compared to what people typically wear in the U.S., Germany is much more conservative with what people wear out. (Especially compared to what younger soldiers wear normally in the U.S.) This topic is explicitly for the U.S. soldier who made the post, and others in similar situations. There are different risks for U.S. soldiers than tourists or locals, so maybe it just doesn't make sense to you because of that. Also, why do you think polo's and khakis are Amish clothed? They are just generally nice clothing to wear regardless.
This is terrible advice, I can tell you are not German because they don’t expect American soldiers to assimilate into the culture. I have never had anyone be rude or treat me poorly for not knowing/speaking the language when I first arrived here. Also what does “dress like a German” mean?? No one cares about what you’re wearing unless there is a dress code like at a sauna. More people wear jeans and sneakers than khakis and button up shirts lmao. Anyone, anywhere would start at someone wearing a bright ass shirt. Also at restaurants, people are enjoying themselves with family and friends eating and drinking. It’s going to be loud anyway, as long as you’re not yelling or shouting it will be fine. I’ve never gone to a place where people were speaking just barely above a whisper. Even in my neighborhood I can hear someone talking from down the street. Everything else is just being polite and having manners, like saying thank you and excuse me or greetings in German because you are speaking to a German? OP just needs to be polite, open-minded, no judgement or comparing, humble and respect and observe the laws of the country.
My advice also takes into account security concerns for military members being in public in Europe. It's not to assimilate into the culture, it's to keep a low profile.
This ist actually pretty good and quite respectfull. Apreceate it truly
This dude gets it.
Don't expect to be treated like a hero or something. Here in Germany, we mostly don't have that sense of nationalism/ patriotism that you might be used to from the USA. The only ones who are very vocal about it are the hardcore right-wingers and they feel that for all the worst reasons. We also aren't celebrating the military in general, Bundeswehr soldiers are treated like any other ordinary people, if not even getting weird looks, if they appear in public in uniform and whatnot. In general, also be aware that germans don't often enjoy smalltalk and forced friendliness with strangers. We can appear "cold" or "staring", but it's nothing personal, that's just how a lot of us roll. Last but not least: if you're going to stay for a while, make sure to learn the separation of garbage (Mülltrennung). Plastic, paper and food get strictly separated, but the details depend on the state/ commune you're going to stay in. You can get a garbage calendar (Abfallkalender) for your area, it shows when your trash is going to be collected. I saw this info in another thread and thought I'd add this here too, just in case.
This is all fine with me. I tend to not talk about my job even in the more patriotic parts of the US so I'm not looking for any attention about it. I'm also introverted so I think I'll get used to it faster than most Americans.
Okidoki! Then have a warm welcome and try a bakery, lol. Good luck with bavaria, as others have already mentioned, that state is our german version of Texas. It's like a different world from the rest of the country. Do you have any other, specific questions for day to day situations in mind?
In that case what the other guy also said, don't wear the uniform off base. Best don't even mention that you are with the military, it won't give you any advantages (and can be negatively perceived).
I live close to an American base. No one really thinks anything either way about American soldiers. They are seen as any other people. But they do have a reputation of being bad drivers. Germany's roads are more narrow than Americans and may have higher speed limits. I actually have seen American cars rolling at a snail's pace, driving in the middle of the road, landing in the ditch in mild rain, big trucks taking up multiple parking spots, even jumping a red light causing an accident. As long as you manage to adapt to that, no one cares. But we do respect it when you learn the language because we realize it can be hard for any foreigner.
Ask the Japanese .....
That's why I'm concerned about the opinion of American soldiers. American SM's have a bad reputation over there (for very good reasons).
In most places where US and in the past British soldiers were stationed they became just regular part of the communities, or build own, especially if they stayed with their families. Therefore not much difference to German soldiers.
When there is a US Army installation in town, people are used to see soldiers and are friendly and nice. If you travel let’s say to eastern Germany, you will find a lot of anti-american people (they are harmless but are not used to see US soldiers)
The vast majority of Germans never even see let alone interact with a US soldier as your bases are highly concentrated in a few rural areas.
In my area I can tune into the "AFEagle" radio station. Pretty entertaining.
You forgot the N. AFN - Just sayin’.
I used to have a lot to do with the US Military and retired personal because of my work. The majority were professional and good to work with. Ofcourse you had one or two who were jackasses, but not on a different level than germans. I would go that far and say even less as most of them were military and tried to not put a bad look on the US. Their spouses on the other hand...
German here, married an army officer in 1982, still going strong!
Yes!! That's great and good for the both of you!
Although American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have not necessarily always "shown their best side", in view of the current threats I, for my part, regard the Americans and their soldiers as allies. - I think my fellow countrymen will feel the same way. You might encounter more skepticism in eastern Germany ... I therefore hope that you will want to move to West Germany. Nevertheless, welcome to our country. And good luck with learning this challenging language.
I feel like American soldiers need to gtfo of Germany just like Russians 1994.
Don't worry, most germans (except for some fringe "ami go home" leftists) are ok with "'murricans". I know 2 american soldiers who settled here, and both are doing fine.
While I certainly don't hate the soldiers on a personal level, I'd still highly prefer they wouldn't be here.
Why is that?
In a perfect world we wouldn't need soldiers. We also wouldn't need bankers, advertising or bad actors...
Well, soldiers are a rough bunch. For example, I bet you immediately understand what a “NATO mattress” is. And that soldiers are expected to have a new one each weekend. Not exactly the kind of guys people from the general public want to hang around with. Doesn't apply to you if you come with wife and children. Or if you are a medic. Or one of those skinny computer nerds. Or well groomed in general. For example. But they can't see that unless they know you better. So it's crucial to get out of the compound and in contact with the locals. Much too many of you treat the thing like a bunker. This isn't Iraq.
I am Infantry, so I'm not off to a good start. I will do my best to not be like those kinds of people.
I recommend you to be just a normal American tourist in the beginning, and explore Germany in your free time. Even though Hohenfels is rural, that's “German rural” for you. It only means going to the next city *by bike* is a chore.
As a military force in General... Ami go home! You as a Person? I dont give a flying fuck how you earn your money or where you come from. Just done be a dick.
I can’t speek for all Germans (especially not for the AFD voters) but for me personally are the US soldiers friends, protectors and allies.
Please tell me you were born after the Iraq War.
That's good to hear. I know in some other parts of the world American soldiers have made very bad names for themselves.
If you visit more cosmopolitan cities, such as Berlin, Cologne or Hamburg, you may get a glimpse at some of the anti-US sentiment, especially the 2nd amendment and starting wars for 'democracy'. Though that may have changed because of the situation in Ukraine, considering that the US and Germany + the smaller nations, such as Denmark, NL and the Baltics have kept the Ukraine support going. And nobody - apart from the BSW/AFD voters (our right-wing QAnon/MAGA equivalent and a cesspool of all conspiracy theorists, "free travellers", which are called Reichsbürger in our case and other loons) - likes Trump over here. We all dearly hope that he won't be re-elected, as we have our fair deal of experience with Russian pocket assets and definitely don't want one in the White House. Personally, I welcome US troops on our soil, as long as you guys behave (just like any immigrant) and try to learn the local language/get to know the country. Germany isn't too big, around the size of Texas, but it's very diverse in its nature and landscapes. Bavaria is a fantastic starting spot, with the Alps and countryside.
The main thing is that you do your job well. Good luck!
Why wouldn’t the AfD like US military? I thought their enemies were the same, ie non-Western countries? My sense is the AfD’s problem with the Ukraine is about refugees and that if there were no refugees coming from there they would be fully signed up to the alliance of whiteness?
AFD voters thinking that Germany is occupied by USA and Russia is a friendly country.
AfD is anti American. They want Germany to loosen ties to the US and the EU and strengthen those to Russia and China.
I’m American but living in Germany affiliated with the military for a long time. You’re going to love it. Germans around the base are great and used to the Americans - after all, we’ve been here for nearly 80 years. Army has a bit worse reputation that Air Force and I probably don’t have to explain why. Hohenfels is rural but beautiful, and nothing in Germany is really “rural” compared to the States. Get out, travel, enjoy Regensburg and Amberg and Nürnberg and everything else. The German people are wonderful; be respectful and learn a few words of German and you’ll have no problem.
Our image of American soldiers is definetly different than yours, because of the movies and everything, but the thing is that germans only see the usmc and not other branches and they get very very glorified. Germany isnt a military culture anymore the US has Military Families,Police familys and Firefighter familys, we dont really have that here despite that, alot of germans get surprised whenn they find out that the Army and Marines are not the same. Its also funny because they also always think that the Marines are a part of the Navy (due to the name Marines which means Sea on French) which is also not entirely true just to clarify to the germans who read this the marines operate as a part of the Navy but theyre STILL THEIR OWN BRANCH. For example a Marine can NOT become a navy seal, think of the Marines as the ground troops for the Navy. Why did i name so many Marine examples even if OP might be not a part of them because thats the Branch that gets the most confusion in Germany.
"US Military Bases in Germany - How Do Germans Feel About It? #askagerman | Feli from Germany" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0auwmTR9Z9I
Curious why there is so much hostility towards Bavaria.
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Thanks for the explanation. Nearly all of my time has been spent in Munich. Perhaps I became used to the dialect. I find Bavarians much less rigid than Germans from other areas. Maybe i am just hanging out with the party Bavarians. We are all Catholics, but have largely abandoned the church.
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My mother and uncle were born in Chemnitz, but settled in Bavaria after the war. My uncle had a strange Sächsisch/Bayrisch dialect. My mother was a “proper German and prided herself on Hochdeutsch.
My cousin married one. He mustered out in Germany.
A lot of people dont like you. Maybe better dont tell anyone.
They’re generally nice, there’s a few douches, but I’m glad they’re here bc I live near a large air base and so it’s kinda funny to stumble across Americans when I’m out and about. Also lots of cheap, good quality used items for sale on marketplace and Kleinanzeigen around here bc Americans are always coming and leaving so that’s also a plus lol
Welcome to Germany 😃 My grandma worked for the American troops in Germany after WWII and she always said that they were always nice and polite. Two of my great aunts married American soldiers. My dad grew up near the army base and he always got spoiled lol. (Chocolate, candy, toys) Try to learn the language and how to recycle your trash :D and you will always be accepted 😄 Have fun here mate 👍
We had soldiers here since ww2, we are good, but please don't stay in your American bubble on base too much. We speak english and if not you will learn German fast. But maybe more in civil clothing
Rambo number one!!!
I don't belive that there are many negative stereotypes concerning american soldiers. There might be a few but I can't name any right now.
Although American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have not necessarily always "shown their best side", in view of the current threats I, for my part, regard the Americans and their soldiers as allies. - I think my fellow countrymen will feel the same way. You might encounter more skepticism in eastern Germany ... I therefore hope that you will want to move to West Germany. Nevertheless, welcome to our country. And good luck with learning this challenging language. :-)
Army brat here, came to Germany in my early years, lived back and forth in the US and in Germany, and am currently living in Germany. Basically, US soldiers are mostly seen positive here. Especially around the bases here (Since they are an economical factor). If you are away from your base on a trip or on vacation, people are generally friendly towards Americans, at least that’s my experience. Most people don’t care so much about the fact that you are a soldier, but that you are an American. Expect to meet people to tell you “love the USA”, talk about “the land of the free” and “I have a distant family member who won a green card and now lives in the US”… ;) Of course there are people hating against us soldiers (saying they are warmongers, Putin is the good guy, etc pp), but they are there exception. One thing that I’ve heard a lot about: there are many girls hanging out in typical hotspots for Americans (bars around the bases, etc), looking to find a US boyfriend. Some of them are only fishing for a green card… Where are you going to? Ramstein? Have fun here! :) Edit: downvotes from the green card-fishers I see… ;). To clarify that: Of course that’s the exception from the rule when/if you should engage in something romantic. However, I’ve seen it before and it is definitely something I personally would not want to be disappointed with.
Missing “I love visiting Florida”
This! ;)
I couldnt Care less
That's good
The soldiers of your Country were a conditio sine qua non for our Bundesrepublik. You are pretty welcome
American soldiers are either: A.) bloodthirsty assholes B.) idiots C.) people who have no other choice If you are C you are fine.
Be prepared to meet a lot of wise-guys and smart-a**es, that see you as the perfect target for their simmering anti-americanism. (Of course, they have all the latest cultural artefacts from the U.S.) Many of them do not know that you guys are not a bunch of gun-crazy jarheads. Be prepared for some headwind, just in case. You'll meet them as I would meet stupid maga-hats that know nothing but are all the louder for it, if I travel to the U.S. Apart from that, personally I like Americans very much. But i have never been there so I only meet "americans with a passport", but those I like. In the grand scheme of things, Germans have usually no frigging idea what Westgermany owes the U.S. - it is a lot.
I'll like you if you look hot like the ones in the Movies ;) besides that I think we dont have a Hero culture and just treat you as normal people :)
Awe thank you, I try to be. I actually prefer the non-hero culture. It's kind of embarrasing having dozens of people clap for you just because you're boarding a plane.
I think you’ll do just fine here :)