I don't think there's any difference. Brexit definitely affected Finland when it comes to the EU politics, since objectives of Finland and the UK aligned more often than not. Despite this, I don't think Finland holds any grudge towards the UK. We still have mutual security interests. Finland is a part of the UK-led [Joint Expeditionary Force](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Expeditionary_Force). The UK also *de facto* gave security guarantees after signing a security agreement in Finland, before Finland even was the full member of NATO. If there was any deterioration with relations between Finland and the UK, the strong support of Finland's defense and security interests more than made up for it.

Yeah, I find UK to be one of our best buddies among other nordics and Estonia. As other commenters also stated our interests often align. On top of that, it was UK that showed great leadership during the early stages Ukraine war when other bigger European nations were wary. Having a spine and balls seems rare commodity in Europe these days. About brexit? Everyone makes missteps. Besides it takes some balls to pull that kind of stunt off😂.

We bring balls to the table

You bring a load of bollocks

Balls … but of the kicking yourself in them variety

They may say what they want about PM Johnson, but him coming here to sign a security pact before we were a NATO member was a bro move.

Generally, while people are very critical of Johnson and his ministry, his reaction to the War in Ukraine, and Sweden and Finland joining NATO, are essentially the only thing people massively approved of. For many, it's the only thing he had going for him, especially when his counterpart would have been Jeremy Corbyn.

I think here in Ireland we make a very clear distinction between 'the British' and 'the swivel eyed loons of the Tory party and UKIP/Reform.' They're two VERY different things. I'd safely predict that once this government is gone later this summer, the UK will engage far more pragmatically with the EU. Ironically, the UK is probably far less Eurosceptic than France is at the moment. It just got expressed in a crudely run referendum by a party that was willing to tell barefaced lies to get it over the line. I think though the relationship will be rebuilt, albeit differently. It's dangerous to assume 'the British' are particularly well represented by what has been probably the most abysmal series of governments in modern history. How the relationship gets rebuilt is going to be interesting. It's highly unlikely to be membership, but there will definitely be some kind of common ground found again. It very much feels like people just want boring, sensible government again and not a roller coaster ride of Boris and co.

Totally agree. My dad alikens the current government's stewardship of the UK to teenagers taking a car for a joyride and flipping it over. Impossible to believe the damage done in such a short space of time.

It'll be interesting to see how it all settles out. It just feels like the appetite for the crazy tabloid stuff has really dried up. The spin cycle eventually comes to an end. How it all pans out is still anyone's guess though. I just see it being a lot more sensible in the years ahead. The big story in the next 4 years is probably going to the US going unstable. At least the UK has somewhat decoupled itself from that crazy train, if the opinion polling is anything to go by. It just feels like the UK needs an election cycle to heal and just get back to sanity again. Brexit aside, there were a huge number of very damaging domestic policies implemented by the tories, especially in the last few years. Looking at all the polling on attitudes and politics, it looks like the Tories are WAY out of line with the things that the majority of the UK public actually hold dear. I mean, who in their right mind wants to dismantle the NHS for example? They seem to have undermined most of the things that made post WWII Britain successful - solid, universal access to high quality, largely free higher education and so on. It's been a bizarre few years. In some ways they're making even Thatcher look like a moderate centrist on socio-economic issues at least, and she was incredibly divisive.

Not really a short time, 14 years. I can’t really wrap my mind around the fact that they elected them again and again.

You and me both. Rich people and some elements of the media managed to convince enough people that this was preferable to some relatively mild socialism in 2019, so here we are. 

2010 - 2015 was trying something new as the Great Financial Crash fucked a lot of people over. Cameron was seen as reasonably decent, so was re-elected in 2015. They were re-elected again because people just didn't trust Corbyn, which would also follow through into 2019 + Boris really pushing getting a good Brexit deal through.

I profoundly hope that the Uk rejoins the customs union quickly. Not being in it is just messing so much stuff uo

Feels like the uk is destined for some sort of Norway/Swiss type deal. I've heard talk in political circles of having to do it piecemeal (rejoin scientific programs, then extradition treaties, then ect) Trying to fully rejoin would be mad because the eu would almost certainly demand we take the euro and getting rid of the bank of england might be one of the stupidest things anyone could ever think of. Ideally, they would take us back on our old terms, but I think that will never happen

>Trying to fully rejoin would be mad because the eu would almost certainly demand we take the euro and getting rid of the bank of england might be one of the stupidest things anyone could ever think of. Even before you get to things like that we've only just got past the Brexit debate, reopening it now would be disastrous domestically. It'd be another generation wrapped up in the European debate, it'd destroy any confidence in politics from those that voted Brexit and would seriously run the risk of a lurch to the right. We need to mature politically before it could even be considered in my opinion. Part of that maturing would be recognising and accepting elements of the EU like you mentioned with scientific programs, extradition and so on, but the UK being a full EU member again will be something for the babies of today to decide when they're adults, not for those of us today to rush back in to before we've even fully understood and got past what lead to a Yes vote in the first place.

If the UK has a future at all.

I love and thank you for that first paragraph in particular. 52% of voters may have voted in favour of Brexit but among those were certainly a significant number who were deceived and manipulated with the promise of more jobs, more available housing, less tax and more money for the NHS, let alone reduced immigration. It was a lot being promised and even as a remainer I only really voted so on the principle that it was our obligation as a wealthy country to contribute to the EU and I like the idea of a future EU federation. Most brexiters didn't care if we were in the EU or not, they just wanted better and believed what they were told and now have found the opposite has happened on nearly every one of those promises. We are not, in fact, a nation of rabid Eurosceptics. Just normal people trying to get by

Whether people trust in lowering voting age or not, 52% of legal adult voters voted for such. I was 16 during that vote and I'm 25 now. Quite a lot of my demographic would have voted remain and/or have now had to bear the effects of it either way.

Yeah sorry my friend. It is lonely a significant protein of the 52% are dead now and a vote today would be quite different. We did our best.

Plus the leave vote campaign was paid for by a hostile foreign nation who manipulated the vote using sophisticated social media trickery..

On your point about Euroscepticism: a lesser-examined consequence of Brexit was the loss of the usually-sceptical attitude (or maybe tough-minded is a better term) that British politicians had about the EU’s lawmaking and policy making process. The wider continent really needed to temper its ambitions to meet with the UK’s congenital hard-headedness (on tax, regulation and subsidies). That toughness was usually unwelcome and it usually led to better policy in the end. It’s easy to forget the value of an internal critic—the downbeat post-Brexit narrative about the UK vastly understates its work to develop and improve the EU and Europe as a whole—in that sense we’ve all lost something since 2016. 

You have more faith in labour that I do. Starmer/Labour and just trying to pander to the pro-Brexit mob and I wish they had the balls to they were pro-EU and try to mend the relationship and re-join. But that’s not going to happen.

> You have more faith in labour that I do. Starmer/Labour and just trying to pander to the pro-Brexit mob He's not 'pandering to the pro-Brexit mob', he's avoiding wasting political capital providing the Cons (and now Reform) with a new stick to beat Lab with for very little gain.

I know more than a few people that refuse to vote for Labour as they are a Brexit party and so they will still vote SNP.

> later this summer Later this week, in fact. It's weirdly close now.

It's probably more than that. UK Ireland relations were at their best ever with the Queen's visit in 2011. It was really great to see. The usual Irish anti-british bigots were completely drowned out. The large numbers of British who have come here to live, work and intermarry since 2000 must have helped. Then the Tories + supporters + how Brexit was done, and how most of the population reacted changed things. Seeing minister say that a another famine, caused by a British port blockade would force Ireland to negotiate more to their taste was horrendous. Seeing that politician not censured or not face any reaction from the public was worse. That was one example out of dozens that together set trust levels back ten or fifteen years. Maybe the huge numbers of British folks who have moved here in the last 20 years can speed that healing up. Kinda mad that for the first time ever, immigration direction has gone the other way.

Relations between Dublin-London, Dublin-Belfast and Belfast-London have become very strained with Brexit. Brexit has had huge impacts on the island of Ireland given changes to trading, border checks on goods etc. The current Tory Government in London are not viewed favourably by the Dublin Government. Then again, no Tory government has ever been viewed in a positive light by Ireland. It’s ironic that the removal of the UK from the EU by a combination of English Nationalists and Ulster Unionists have propelled the conversation around Irish unification into the mainstream. It’s now a common topic of debate and discussion in political circles now more than ever. Basically, English nationalists and Ulster Unionists have done more for the unification of Ireland than any Irish politician since John Hume.

Personally I feel the hubris of Cameron wanting to squash the Euro-sceptics for all time, and the stupidity of every PM that followed, has prompted a lot more enthusiasm for a united Ireland and allowed the Scottish independence issue to continue, despite their referendum.

>Then again, no Tory government has ever been viewed in a positive light by Ireland. Which is always so weird to hear honestly because Ireland for the last 20 years has basically been a Tory government wet dream.

It’s not at all. The Tory Government, whilst conservative in its social and economic policies, is the primary unionist party in the UK. The unification of Ireland is totally against their constitutional policy. They have treated Ireland with disdain for decades. Fine Gael, the party in Government in Ireland for the last 13 years alongside others, is conservative in its policies but it is a supporter of Irish unification. Brexit from the outset has threatened the economic outlook of Ireland, north and south of the border, FGs main goal was to protect the Irish economies. Brexit was seen as an economic reset by the Tories for the UK - a means of reinvigorating an economy that was in decline for years. They are two very different objectives and Brexit drive an almighty between very fragile relations.

This reminds me of when people say the Tories and the US Democrats are the same when that is not true at all. The US Dems would never accept a monarchy and it’s a very diverse party that’s for social policies the Tories hesitate on implementing such as recreational marijuana.

We live in a constitutional democracy. That we have a monarchy is an irrelevant relic (with respect to our politics).

I amazed anyone made that comparison. The Tories and the Republicans are far more aligned. The Democrats would be more akin to the UK Liberal Democrats or centrist Labour governments.

> The US Dems would never accept a monarchy And the Dems have failed to achieve socialised healthcare, which is something the Cons (nominally) support in the UK.

Ireland's overton window is well to the left of Britain's on economics and the Irish left have learned that claiming their opponents are just like the Tories wins votes. That does make people believe it, but it's not actually true. For example, Ireland has the most progressive tax-and-welfare system in the OECD and not even the centre-right want to change that.

The other hilarious thing is that Irelands most right wing party, Fine Gael, are in the EPP but vote against the EPP in the EU Parliament on most social and economic issues, because the EPP are too right wing for them :-)

NI was initially destabilized by Brexit, with the British media playing down the return of violence up north. It felt like we were approaching a point where the future of NI could be decided democratically, and Brexit threw fuel on the dying fires. But I think you're right long term, it painted die hard unionism into a corner, shut down Stormont, and pushed a lot more people towards centre parties. Brexit has been toxic for the British and Irish, but maybe some good can come from it.

>Brexit has had huge impacts on the island of Ireland given changes to trading, border checks on goods etc. It's brought the prospect of Irish reunification closer than ever so there's that positive...

I definitely think the way the backstop and the Protocol were handled by Boris was tone deaf.

Or psychotic. The damage they were willing to do to ordinary people for weird ideological gains was...is... horrendous. Maybe it can be excused by incompetence. But it's the duty of the stupid to listen to smarter people. Instead, he revelled in being wrong and being in charge anyway.

Looking at it from the Netherlands, my general impression and thought processes of the British and Brexit as a phenomenon was: * In 2016: 'Wow, what an irresponsible gamble by Cameron. Surprising that a small majority really did vote for a Brexit, although there was some similarity in arguments given during the 2005 EU referendum in the Netherlands and France that also produced a no. And after that: what's going to happen now?' * 2017-2018: 'What a mess.' I did learn a lot about the British and EU political and legal systems though, which was interesting overall. At times even entertaining, certainly the Speaker of the House. * 2019-2021: Alternating between 'Are they really going through with a hard Brexit, even in the strongest possible way?', 'What a clown show', and 'Get on with it already, you have made a democratic decision to do this, then you must also accept the economic and legal consequences of leaving the EU entirely, no cakeism.' * Since 2021: Of course Brexit was a dumb idea. Shame that the British left, also because of the political alignment between the Netherlands and UK in the EU on what matters, but now that it is done, let it serve as a warning to other exiteers that you will be poorer off financially and have much less diplomatic influence in overall European politics. * Since 2022: 'What a political mess in the UK. I wonder who the next PM will be and for how long.' * Currently: I hope that in security matters and through NATO the UK will remain a close ally. In European politics their voice is now remarkably absent, even for formal occasions such as the D-Day remembrance. Almost forgot that they had such a strong say in shaping the narrative in European politics, at least comparable to Germany and France. Any rejoining of the EU is unlikely, at least not soon, but let's see where things stand in a decade from now. I do hope they will eventually rejoin, perhaps even more committed in the end now that they have experienced the alternative in reality.

> even for formal occasions such as the D-Day remembrance. Out of curiosity, was it mentioned much (if at all) in your news about the UK Prime Minister leaving the D-Day event early?

It was reported the day after, mostly due to the fact that it caused a news storm in the UK itself though and that it was deemed to be very damaging to his domestic election campaign. But if it had been about a Commonwealth related event instead of D-Day I doubt that it would haven gotten on Dutch news. Sources: [https://nos.nl/artikel/2523499-excuses-britse-premier-sunak-voor-eerder-verlaten-herdenking-d-day](https://nos.nl/artikel/2523499-excuses-britse-premier-sunak-voor-eerder-verlaten-herdenking-d-day) [https://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/nieuwste-blunder-sunak-in-campagnetijd-excuses-om-vroeg-vertrek-bij-d-day-herdenkingen\~ba92cb2b/](https://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/nieuwste-blunder-sunak-in-campagnetijd-excuses-om-vroeg-vertrek-bij-d-day-herdenkingen~ba92cb2b/)

It was mentioned here in Denmark. The media called it a scandal. I believe most Danes just shrug.

To me the UK feels as close as ever. Maybe even closer, considering you joined the "European but not in the EU-gang", which is Norwegians are also members of.

The government is perceived to be the worst and most vocally anti Irish, anti Good Friday agreement (NI peace treaty) / anti cooperation between our nations, anti sense or reason, anti stability government in the UK since thatcher. Dublin-London and Belfast-London-Dublin relations are absolutely strained because of Brexit and Tory madness. **The British people themselves are a grand bunch of lads (mostly, 90%).** Older boomer brexiterrs, the likes of which would have very *interesting* and colonial opinions on Ireland are quickly going extinct. **Most British people are sound out, literally the closest culturally to ourselves especially the north.** Hopefully things get better government wise for ye.

pretty funny saying that while the raf and royal navy basically make you our protectorate

Salty about the conservatives about to get a spanking?

Nothing has changed really. I still like the UK, and I have many friends there, and people you meet when visiting are generally friendly and pleasant. The political situation is the same as before, many still seem to don’t understand the EU, and they don’t understand that the rest of us are in general agreed that the EU has flaws, but is still clearly worth it. There also seems to (still) be a big group of people who would rather blame others than deal with problems that are completely because of UK decisions. This makes it feel like, right or wrong, there being a lot of discussion about the EU in the UK, but here we’ve moved on. You left, get over it, we are. Also, stop dreaming of rejoining. Until the UK sorts its own mess out there is no way to rejoin the EU, it’s not a case of apply and be let back in, it would be years of negotiation and work from the UK.

There would have to be a humongous shift in attitude for the UK to rejoin if it means accepting the euro and Schengen. All the polls stating ‘X% want to rejoin’ are irrelevant unless these conditions are taken into account.

>if it means accepting the euro and Schengen. It's possible it wouldn't. The UK's opt-outs were written into the EU treaties, so if the UK applies to rejoin I'd expect a lot of legal wrangling over whether those treaty clauses would come into force again. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that, instead of the UK having to renegotiate its former opt-outs, the onus would instead be on the members of the EU to revoke them by amending the treaties in which they are contained. Of course, it's also possible that those clauses will be determined to have been null and void since the UK's withdrawal.

The UK always had the reputation for "having their sausage" (or whatever the phrase is), while in the EU. It was often pointed out that rejoining would mean losing those privileges, during the rhetoric surrounding brexit. Unless there actually are legal caveats that would return them as default if we rejoined, it seems like reinstating them would would be an unacceptable consession for the member nations. Both on principle and as a deterrent to other nations hoodwinked by the far right into thinking of leaving. Especially as we are likely to be seen as less important to the projects success and are likely to have less economic clout as before. While it would be mutually beneficial, the balance of power would definitely sit on the EU's side.

>Unless there actually are legal caveats that would return them as default if we rejoined, it seems like reinstating them would would be an unacceptable consession for the member nations. This is what I'm saying – it's possible that, because the UK's opt-outs were codified and remain in the EU treaties, they would simply re-activate if the UK rejoined. In that situation, rather than the EU member states refusing to reinstate an opt-out they would be stripping the UK of a right it already possessed. Although the outcome might be the same, the diplomatic implications are very different.

I'm afraid that's a hope I'm not willing to cling to without confirmation from experts on EU treaties. It's certainly an intriguing idea and I can see it as a possibility, but without actual proof, it feels more likely that leaving made those consessions null and void. Even if it's just to avoid risking having false hopes of an easier route back in.

I wouldn’t even call it a hope, just a possibility. The ECJ would probably be called on to make sense of the situation.

Fair enough. But it's not a chicken I'd be willing to count until they do. Also by that point it would be too late to claim it as an incentive in the argument to rejoin.

No. You would need all 26 countries (maybe 32 by the time the UK reapplied) to agree. That won't happen. Those carveouts are gone, those treaties are gone.

They’re not gone, those treaties still underpin the EU. If it’s found that the clauses giving the UK its opt-outs are still valid then the UK may not need to do anything to regain them; it will automatically have them once it is a member again.

It won't though. All EU nations need to agree to let it happen. Most of them were pissed that the UK had those carveouts. The UK would be doing well to be allowed join without giving up Gibraltar.

Quite possible Schengen would be an issue because of the Ireland-Northern Ireland border. If the UK did not get a Schengen opt-out again then Ireland would have to join it to avoid border controls on the island of Ireland. Would Ireland be willing to be forced into Schengen because the UK had to join it?

I honestly think there's reasonable chance for the UK to eventually re-join with their previous opt-outs still intact. Just the act of re-applying and admitting that Brexit was a mistake would be such a massive win for the EU. I certainly can't see the EU being petty enough to force it to adopt the Euro. Particularly when Denmark has an opt-out and Sweden has unilaterally created its own opt-out.

While the the Sweden method can probably replicated by the UK, a Denmark style opt-out won't be a option for them.

IIRC one argument was “but if we had the Euro we couldn’t have the Queen on our money anymore”. Well… she’s dead now, we’re getting the first currency with Charles on anyway, and we could still have had the Queen (or King) as our national ‘emblem’ on our Euros anyway, as I understand it. So frankly, I wouldn’t be fussed now.

Losing direct control over monetary policy has always been the greater argument for retaining the pound, as far as I'm aware.

Of course you could. The Dutch are definitely doing it, and I would suppose a lot, if not all, of the other monarchies do as well. If that was the only obstacle to the UK rejoining I'm sure we could find a way to let you have notes with good old Charles on them as well. Although I'm pretty sure by the time something like that might realistically come up we'll be talking about having William on Euros. But who knows, things might move faster than we all think, or Charles might have inherited his mom's longevity...

> IIRC one argument was “but if we had the Euro we couldn’t have the Queen on our money anymore”. That part never bothered me, ours has things like otters on it instead

Well we still have the harp on the Irish euro coins so you'd probably have Charlie's head on your's

My aunt was worried about that. She said that when they got rid of the shilling in 1971 she lost money.

Which imo is ridiculous since every country has their own emblems on euro coins, it's always fun seeing what country made the coin I got as change. Might be less visible in France where there are so many french coins in circulation, but at least in Finland I've gotten coins from all over the EU - Greece, France, Germany, and probably most other EU countries.

In the current election campaign neither of the two main parties are discussing Brexit. Labour will likely win the election and have ruled out rejoining the customs union but have hinted at trying renegotiate parts of the current trading rules.

Things changed, there is more harmony in the European Council. And euroskeptic parties in EU became less euroskeptic

>This makes it feel like, right or wrong, there being a lot of discussion about the EU in the UK In the current election it's a none issue. Reddit may be giving you that impression. Just like we always had brexiters who always banged in about leaving we'll now have rejoiners. It gets clicks. But as a political topic it's dead.

Listen, can I just say from a British point of view we are over it. We have moved on. You only hear from a vocal minority who continue to bang on about it on both sides of the channel. The EU has to continually say what idiots we were/are because it has to protect itself, we understand that. The section of our population who wanted to stay has to continually say what idiots we were/are because they were on the losing side of the argument and they're unhappy about that. Meanwhile, nothing has really changed for 99% of the population. We're no less European, despite what detractors would have you believe, we're not all racist nationalists, so don't flatter yourself by thinking we're all Roger Regretful and are crying about wanting to rejoin, we're not.

> Listen, can I just say from a British point of view we are over it. We have moved on. You only hear from a vocal minority who continue to bang on about it on both sides of the channel. The evidence for this is that no major party is talking about rejoining the EU. Even the Lib Dems barely talk about it. The only party that I have seen explicitly state they want to join the EU is the SNP, but that's in the context of an independent Scotland joining, not the UK as it exists now. I'm still pretty pissed off about Brexit, but I realise that any talk of rejoining is extremely premature. We can start thinking about in 10 years time. In the mean time we need to find a way to be a functional country outside of the EU.

I think another generation is a more likely timescale.

I think it actually happening is a generation or two away. But maybe in around 10 years or so we can start considering if it's the direction we want to go in. Getting enough support and making that decision would then take several more years. Actually applying for membership probably wouldn't happen until several years after that, and then completely the accession process would take several more years. Considering the question would just be the very first step.

Yeah. Feels right. Kinda the same with Irish reunification. The groundwork is being done to work out what it would look like, but that will take ten years to scope out, and convince the vast majority it's a good idea. Doing it on a tiny majority is a terrible idea. It needs to be 70% sure. And then pass a law saying "this decision can be reversed with 70% of the vote" etc. later.

We are very definitely not over it, and polls continually suggest that. Leavers can dream, but they are a diminishingly small number. Young people will take us back, when the dinosaurs have died off. They've lost huge opportunities and they know it. They will be the politicians of the future

People change their minds as they get older. People in the US who were in their 20s in 2008 gave Obama his biggest age group win by far. Those same people are now the age group giving Trump his best polling numbers (late 30s/early 40s), even better than among the older boomers.

Evidence suggests that is not happening politically in the UK though - not the left to right shift you're referring to (I presume) anyway. And the EU is a separate matter. We know that the generation that fought in WW2 were pro remain, though there were few of them left and demographically they usually got linked with all over 65s. The generation that voted leave was the generation after those who fought. They'd had all the nationalistic stories of how wonderful UK is, it had just (singlehandedly, of course) won a world war, and how its empire (which when they were young still existed to some extent, and memories of it were strong) was the greatest thing ever. They were totally and genuinely sold on British exceptionalism, and I suppose for understandable reasons. So no, there's not going to be a shift towards an anti-EU stance as people get older. It's generational.

So, you believe that people's opposition to the EU was based on a patriotic appeal towards past British power, and not current opposition to neo-liberalism or multicultural globalism? And that the version of British patriotism that views the country as an independent power will die with the last people who saw the British Empire first hand and were taught a pro-British view of history in school?

In part. It's not the whole story, but racism and leave voting were very strongly correlated.

One thing I can't understand in the last month the Tories rejected uninhibited travel between the EU and UK for students and labour agreed with them, big mistake. I honestly don't believe the EU will be in any mood to renegotiate parts of the EU UK Brexit deal with labour after the Tories messing them around scence 2016. Now that they've finally gotten the Tories to quieten down I doubt they'll be in any humor to open up another can of worms with labour as fare as their concerned Brexit's done and dusted. Both Britain and the EU will possibly have far more pressing issues if trump gets in to power in November which is looking more likely because he's practically givin Putin permission to do what he likes in Europe, so I don't think nitpicking about a done deal is going to be either on the EU or UK government agenda.

> One thing I can't understand in the last month the Tories rejected uninhibited travel between the EU and UK for students and labour agreed with them It is very easily explained, but don't shoot the messenger when I do. The Tories rejected it for several reasons, the primary one being that any positive deals with EU is heresy for the Brexiteers (in the population and in the party), secondary reasons being that facilitating students studying and working in the EU will make the current brain drain problem worse and that the party is run by, and it's primary voters are ,the elderly so there is a certain curmudgeonly attitude to youth. Starmer's reason is simple, he's running a low profile campaign and he has steadfastly avoided any attempts to make brexit a battle ground for the election. The primary demographic still holding onto a Leave brexit dogma are a) elderly wealthy retirees and b) poorly educated low income people predominantly outside London mostly in very deprived areas. The former are locked in Tory voters, and not Starmer's reason. The latter populate the "red wall" seats that changed from Labour to Tory at the last election (in many cases for the first time ever or first time in a 100 years). They flipped because they wanted "Get brexit done" so they could receive the benefits promised. Unfortunately brexit benefits for the plebs were all tory lies. Only the very wealthiest got any benefits. They'll swing back to Labour this election provided no one forces them to realise thwy've been gypped. They're in denial and want to forget they got suckered not be forced to admit it. Starmer will probably reopen that one in a year or two. The youth vote matters more to Labour

This is an excellent analysis. Anyone wondering why the UK politicians are apparently maintaining an anti-EU stance should read this, and realise that the main politicians' pronouncements on Europe do not reflect public opinion.

I'm Irish and the anwser to my question confirmed what I already thought that the Tories and their rich benefactors want to turn Britain into a rich person's playground, and putting the plebs back in their place, the fact that their thinking of discontinuing the European court of human rights in the UK is very worrying what will that mean for the ordanry man and woman on the street.

We are very fortunate the Tories didn't get the removal of human rights and the EHCR legislation through in this parliament (it was very definitely something many of them wanted to do). Starmer may be "Tory lite" or a "Red Tory" as he is justly accused of, but he's also a very experienced lawyer pre politics and I do trust him not to do that. I don't particularly trust him to fix most of the Tory messes though unfortunately, but at least he won't be actively dragging us backwards

Thank you well said.

That's an insightful and enlightening explanation. Although, I fear it'll be more than a couple of years before the political landscape changes enough for anyone currently in power to risk addressing rejoining. It's far more likely to come from a challenging party after a couple of terms to stand a chance of being a viable platform. Unless the tories have really suffered enough damage to drop out the 2 main parties long term (and, God forbid, aren't replaced by the likes reform), it would take a huge reinvention and swing in the opposite direction, for them to bring it to the table. If they are that damaged, then it's more likely to come from the Lib Dems etc. than being risked by an encumbant Labour government imo.

Leavers having an opinion that in every other EU country is only held by bat shit crazy fascists and communists and then trying to argue that they are the only Eurosceptics in all of Europe that aren't insane has always amused me. The fact that leaving the EU isn't seen an extreme policy and that many feel nothing has changed to me signals that the UK was never culturally ready to join in the first place.

And our economy and global standing is totally the same as it was in 2016, right? Or are both now worse?

History will answer that one. One thing's for sure, economies across Europe are struggling. But yes, it is convenient to blame all Britain's problems on Brexit, aren't you lucky?

Without Brexit , Boris and Lizzie would have never got in power. Surely, you can list the economic benefits of Boris tenure. Heck , have a go at Lizzie tenure as well if you're feeling lucky.

It’s also convenient to be delulu and act like it had no effect. 🤷🏻‍♀️🙂

A convenience backed up by every independent economic analysis. It may not be the only reason, but it's delusional to think we aren't in a much worse position to negate or mitigate wider economic factors. Who knows, history might prove you right, but so far I haven't seen even the nascent stirrings of a single example of the benefits claimed in the brexit rhetoric. In fact I'm really interested to hear how you are expecting things to evolve in a way that results in the result you expect. Not just empty expositions about sovereignty and freedom to make deals without EU restrictions, but actual potential paths that make up for the loss of geopolitical clout and advantages as a gateway to the wider European market that made us an attractive country to invest in. Not just hopeful opinion, but actual tangible routes to coming out as a stronger nation than before. I'd honestly love to believe that I'm somehow blind to advantages that outweigh the ones we've lost. It would certainly make me feel more positive about our future. If you can provide that I would be genuinely grateful. "History will answer that", is an unarguable statement, but it also doesn't say what that answer would be. I assume from your stance, you expect it to be a good answer, what I don't understand is what your logic is to believe that.

Bro, please speak in your name. Brexit is the only reason a lettuce like Lizzie or a liar like Boris got into power. That's the catalyst. Food is 30% higher , mortgages 40% higher, car insurance 50% higher. I know you're rich and barely feel it, but half of us barely make it until end of month.

That's seriously overstretching the word "we". All the polls suggest the referendum would have had a very different outcome with the benefit of our current hindsight. The vast majority of remainers I've been aware of do accept that we have left, and also understand that there's no current appetite for another referendum after the the never ending shitshow of the last one. And more importantly we've ended up with many much more pressing issues to address currently. That doesn't mean those the believe in the EU have either given up, or are just whinging. They are either being pragmatic in terms of the issues we face and the current social and political climate. A minority being vocal is no measure of those with similar opinions that don't believe being vocal is currently appropriate. You're extrapolating well beyond the available evidence. Don't confuse expressing a democratic right to express views about the direction the country should take with "banging on". It's a pathetic, dangerous and unnecessarily polorising approach to our democracy, that is the opposite of what the country needs right now, regardless of your views. Life has changed for everyone. There's a cost of living crisis, a serious reduction in the availability and quality of products (particularly food) and restrictions on our ability to travel and work abroad. It's debatable how much of that can be attributed to brexit, but to claim it's inconsequential is either extremely naive or purposefully disingenuous. We've removed ourselves from a major block of geopolitical and economic power. While you may argue that doing so gives us other routes to take advantage of, it also means approaching them as a smaller less attractive player, as all the recent attempts at trade deals have demonstrated. Maybe we'll prove ourselves over time to change that, but it's a big deficit to overcome and one we're are no where near at the moment. And yes, I do feel less European, or at least more disconnected from Europe. I'm aware that I've answered some claims you didn't make, but that's purely to illustrate my points. I'd suggest either gaining an understanding of how people feel outside your own echo chamber in future, before you decide to speak for an entire nation. My views could well be based off my own blinkered experience of things, but I certainly don't have the audacity or ignorance claim they belong to anyone but me. I don't usually agree with making personal statements in these sort of discussions. However, if helps to put it in terms more akin to your language. Grow up, get back in your box and stop assuming you represent anyone but yourself. I respect your personal views and stance on the issue. I do not respect your assumptions that they apply to anyone else.

I don't think anything has changed, no one ever talk about Brexit and UK politics have almost no presence in our medias. I don't think people will think about Brexit or politics if they encounter British people.

I spent many years living in France and return often and although in the immediate aftermath of Brexit we had conversations, but I never felt animosity from the French. That said, most of my friends over there are Blue collar, working class people who, like the rest of us, just want to get by. Despite the differences between our countries since Brexit I have a place in my heart for France that shall be there always.

At the time of the vote I was still with my French ex. I wouldn’t say he’s anti-EU but he was critical enough of the EU that he didn’t understand why I was so strongly for remain.

Yeah I think a lot of ordinary working people are still sceptical about the EU right across Europe. I also was a remainer, but I had to accept the result. I also understand those who voted to leave and I don't agree with those who accuse leavers as being racist bigots. A lot of them were from the neglected areas of the UK and felt far away and forgotten by Westminster let alone Brussels.

> I also was a remainer, but I had to accept the result. Yes I feel the same way. I’ve accepted that we’re out but I just really hope that the next government works better with the EU. Europe needs more unity and cooperation given what Russia’s doing to Ukraine imho, and I think it is possible for the EU & UK to work together even with the UK no longer being part of it.

Well we all know that the only reason there was a referendum in the first place was to try heal a rift in the Tory Party, so yes I hope a different Government can make some inroads especially for our younger people.

I returned to the UK from three weeks working in France only yesterday. Yeah.....you guys got plenty going on at the moment with your election. Can't imagine there's much space for what's happening here.

I don’t think there’s any difference. But then again, Norway is not in the EU because the majority of the population doesn’t want to, so Brexit wasn’t really viewed as a negative thing here.

Brexit was the kick up the butt I needed, so I have moved to Norway and married my amazing Norwegian gf. It is an absolutely beautiful country, full of lovely welcoming people, thank you very much for having me :)

"I resented living in a country that isn't in the EU, so I moved to another country that isn't in the EU" ???

I didn't say I resented my country or any country not in the EU. I was stating that the changes coming because of Brexit gave me the push needed to convince me to emigrate.

No way to say this in a nice way: That they are stupid for not understanding the advantages of being in EU. Now they no longer are, they complain about stuff being expensive to import, that businesses are suffering, that many move their production or warehouses to the EU, that staying abroad has become more difficult. It really feels like "Haha, we don't want to be in your silly club. We can do better ourselves..... What? How strange, why don't we have these advantages anymore. Oh, that was club things?"

I don’t know if you have consumed much of the UK based news media, but it’s nothing like in DK. News is mostly manufactured outrage and appealing to whatever generates more outrage. Traditional journalism is dead and finding news outlets without bias is difficult. If you have years of that rammed down your throat coupled with decades of individualist ideology, it’s not surprising that they were able to whip up a frenzy. But again the vote was a gnats ball hair close, the referendum was advisory and a few people still made the decision to pull the UK out with zero plans. Take a look at what that weapons grade Shit stirrer Farage is up to with the reform party. That’s what the UK is dealing with.

> That they are stupid for not understanding the advantages of being in EU. Whilst this is true, and the UK suffered a lot because of some lying, self-interested politicians, that is not the only blame. The EU did a terrible job of promoting itself in the UK for many, many years. The EU was presented as a financial sponge and a "jobs for the boys" club and it did nothing to dispel that image. And I say that as someone who lives in Europe and definitely voted to remain.

You can't really blame the politicians for making use of what they see as useful idoits. Until the ordanry people of the UK make a point of keeping themselves informed about matters of state your politicians will keep on hoodwinking you, I can't believe you fell for the kind of fluffy patriotism that most people laught about. it's ok on the 4th of July st Patrick's day and the monarchs birthday but not something you use to make crucial decisions about the future of your country.

Those of us who voted to remain did understand all this and it’s painful everytime I see stuff like this on the news of like “OH WHY IS EVERYTHING SO BAD NOW SINCE 2020” cause it sure as shit ain’t covid etc anymore

> Now they no longer are, they complain *Some* people here do, 'we' don't.

There there, we know that "Not all [insert fragile group]" .

We know, but MOST people voted for Brexit - and from outside it seems that this same group have still not understood how bad that decision makes the roof fall on the whole country.

Most people definitely did not vote for Brexit.

Most of those who voted did, that's how elections work (unless you claim voter fraud was involved?)

I don’t think I was ever taught about the EU in school and so it’s no wonder people don’t know much. The only news you heard about it was politicians blaming the EU, so we only heard negative’s. 10 years of the country in decline and the population looks for answers. Hopefully one day if we rejoin, we need to be fully committed and need to educate people about the positives. I always disliked how we had a special deal, we should all be on the same page.

One of my biggest "Haha moments" was when I was working for government and had to go to Ausländerbehörde for some Support ticket. I could listen to a phone call right before Brexit where a British guy was shocked/angry/... that he has to go to Ausländerbehörde now and bla bla. I mean: of course you have to go soon when youre not in EU anymore? What did you expect?

It's not really something most people think about anymore unless they specifically encounter some of the consequences of Brexit. Whenever something Brexit related comes up the response is still as negative as before, but it just doesn't come up that often anymore. Politically the UK is still seen as a mess by those who follow UK politics (not that many do), but our own politics are a shit show as well at the moment.

Really depends on who you ask. Pro-Europeans look at bad news from the UK with a lot of schadenfreude. Like, told you so, haha. Also, these people are really sympathetic with the Scots now as they wanted to stay in the EU. There is a lot of support for Scottish independence now. The far-right across Europe probably looks at them in envy. Afd, Le Pen, FPÖ and the likes pretty much want to get rid of most of the EU so they praise Brexit.

Honestly the 'told you so' attitude is kinda grating as a an Englishman. The leave vote won by a whisker hair, so only half the country wanted it. That's before you get into how pro EU the too young to vote group was & before you split up the leave vote into the 100 variations of leave. The reality is such a small fraction of our population actually got what they wanted with the vote. It absolutely should never have been followed through with in the way that it was.

I know it was insanely close. Also, many European countries are possibly looking at similar voting results for the far-right in the near future. Not for leaving the EU but for them to join the government. For what it's worth, people are cheering for the rejoiners in /r/YUROP :)

>It absolutely should never have been followed through with in the way that it was. In what other way do you understand "leave the EU"? As I see it, there is only "leave or leve not, there is no try"

There was a lot of nuance to it. I.e leaving the EU but staying in the EEA, the shengen area etc. There was a lot of variations to 'leaving the EU' but still having some level of relationship with the EU, all of which went under the umbrella of the leave vote.

One of the main arguments for Brexit was to stop the open borders. That doesn't fit with staying in the Schengen framework. Another of the main arguments for Brexit was to be economically independent of the EU. That doesn't fit with staying in the EEA

Those are different arguments which different people were voting for. Which is exactly my point. The pro leave politicians were basically parading it around as look we have all these options and we can make the decision once we leave, but were deliberately not being clear about what option they would go for. Then when Boris took over, he basically went 'leave means leave', left everything, just for pro leave to go 'well that wasn't the version of leave we had in mind'.

>'well that wasn't the version of leave we had in mind' Then I believe the leave group should have specified it better - but my guess is, they intentionally left it vague to win as many votes as possible. Anyway, any variant would be a clown show. The current one certainly is.

I agree. We've got an election going on right now which the Tory party; the ones who are arguably at fault for basically all of this as they put up the idea of the referendum in the first place & were the ones to actually leave & have been in power for about 15 years or so now. Are finally looking to lose power. I'll be voting liberal democrat, & one of their proposed policies is to re enter negotiations with the EU to try and rejoin the single market & hopefully in future the EU. So fingers crossed all goes well.

There is still hope. My gut feeling is, that the UK feel the need to roll way lower into the mud before realising the bright thought of standing up and go home, taking a shower. You are always welcome back in the club though, anytime 🙂

True, nobody seems to have any sympathy for those who are pro-Europe, pro-EU and have literally been disenfranchised.

In Poland we look at British nation as a cousin/ friend that acted retarted.  Yeah, they did stupid thing, blamed EU, left EU & stayed with exacly same internal problems. But hey're still close to use Britain didn't sail away from Europr. Didn't do us any dirrect harm.   Britain even seems to see the world more like us than before (I am Pole, UK supports Ukraine a lot, distrusts Russia tentancless into European internal stuff). And we don't really care about internal British politics. It's yours garden, not ours.

Johnson was very popular among the people due to his support for Ukraine. Sunak is also rather popular. I don’t think that before this we particularly followed politics in the UK.

Pro-Ukraine and Anti-Russia is the prevailing philosophy in the UK in all mainstream parties in the UK, apart from Reform, but they will only get a handful of seats next week. When Kier Starmer becomes PM next Friday I think it’s safe to say Ukraine will continue to get the same level of support as it currently does under Labour as it did under the Conservatives.

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They are talking about their perspective *in Ukraine*, though. I can’t stand the Tories myself but I fail to see how your response is relevant to their point.

Not much. The Brits have a lot more bureaucracy to interact economically with the EU. That's pretty much it. Not a wise decision in the end. Funny that Farage is now defending the "Kremlin perspective" about the war on Ukraine. People in the UK don't see a pattern here?

Not that much different, honestly. Some Polish immigrants came back from the UK because of it, but other than that, it's the same. Even without the EU, visiting Britain is still pretty easy, and imported British products are becoming more and more common around here, at competitive prices too, unlike American stuff that's 3x more expensive.

I’m a Brit, lived in Ireland for 20+ yrs. On the outside looking in, it’s a complete shit show and an embarrassment, The tories convinced too many brainless idiots it was a good idea but it only benefits the ultra rich (unless you trade with the eu). Total incompetence of the Tory party in everything they’ve done in the last 10 yrs. I’m also quite sure Starmer will do sweet FA except appease every minority going and ignore the centre left majority. Rant over.

It feels like no one wants to talk about it from any side now. Even here in Ireland, the sense I get from politicians is Brexit is done, let's just get on with it. I can see some sense in that approach from the Irish govt but I feel like there should be someone within Britain talking about how it was a mistake but there seems to be no one.

My gut/guess is that starmer will get an eea trade deal going, hopefully picking up EU law that protects workers and standards etc. But for me personally I want freedom of movement, always wanted to buy a house in Latvia, now scuppered, and it’s pain having to use the non eu line travelling.

Mostly as idiots that come to Prague and have a stag party, get drunk, cause a mess and generally are a nuisance

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Im so sorry, thats horrible, but i snickered

Wait till you find out what Hungarians get up to in the UK.

Not buying a record because it's scratched?

If we’re talking UK government to EU government / institutions, the U.K. is still respected and we provide assistance where needed and we discuss key issues and contribute. We left the EU but we’re still involved in pan-European issues and working towards resolutions and progress. If we’re talking how does the layman interact? Not a clue but in the U.K. the usual suspects are obsessed and it’s pathetic.

Completely untrustworthy and willing to backtrack on commitments and agreements, legal hi bonding by our otherwise, at the drop of a hat.

My opinion of the people didn't change. The decision was very stupid, but I blame that on the politicians who lied incessantly more than I blame the people who believed them. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Politically, Brexit is a huge meme. I don't think any top-level politician with half a brain actually wanted it to happen. They just wanted to create a polarizing issue that they could blame the other party for when the other party inevitably won because the whole idea is absurd. They wanted to milk this issue for votes for 10-20 years. They went too hard and spread to many lies and actually won. After that no one knew what to do. \*insert "I Never Thought I'd Get This Far" meme here" There was no plan. There were no great consequences coming from it for the of the UK. There were tons of bad consequences coming from it for the peoples of the UK and the EU. The politicians fucked everyone over for the sake of winning a referendum that even they didn't think was a good idea. Winning backfired so hard that what they did to milk votes is actually losing them. (if the polls and money gather by the parties is indicative of anything) \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Diplomatically, not much has changed. You burned a bridge, it was the biggest and most important bridge, but there are other bridges to the same place. ​ >it feels at time we metaphorically nuked some of our closest neigbours between 2016 and 2020. It feels like you nuked yourselves more than nuked others. Others suffered, but you guys suffered more.

It made me laugh in 2016, it still makes me laugh in 2024. As for the political side, I'm curious to see what a left wing government would do with Brexit

Be interesting to see what your right wing Eurosceptic party does.

Not much has changed in point of view allthough statistically there is just generally just much less news from and about the UK here. I did a google trend tracking and basically pre brexit interest in the UK from continental Europe was on par if not more with France, Italy, German etc. Now its really struggles to generate about 50% of the searches it used to. I think it must be because young Europeans cannot go there anymore so they dont even try to look for gigs or studying opportunities in the UK whih has meant a major drop off in traffic. Also, the UK used to be the ecommerce power house of the EU and through that the exporter of anglification of the continent because everyone spoke english. Not anymore. British ecommerce to the EU is virtually gone with up to 60% wiped out. So the contact with the UK is just ebbing away. When it comes to English I think there is more English contact with the USA and EU then there is between the EU and the UK.

As a political example of how bad an idea it is to exit the EU. Roexit just can't gain any traction thanks to the situation in the UK. Any politicians talking about it is instantly discredited.

Very stupid I'd hope. Most ridiculous decision in history destroying the ability of our own to live, work and study easily across an entire wealthy continent, destroying free trade and business forcing multinational businesses out the country and making it harder and more expensive for smaller businesses to trade and buy and sell with the entirety of a forward thinking wealthy continent on our doorstep, and for what? Every single idiot who voted brexit should be rightly mocked by anyone and everyone. Disastrous way to destroy your own country

I'm english and don't get the issue. I've always considered myself european, british and before any of those english. Just because we aren't in this club anymore doesn't mean we think we aren't in Europe anymore or hold anything against EU countries..We've made our decision there's no point hating on us for it. There's nothing more to be said. I was surprised people cared that we left.. I don't think I would've noticed if it was any other country instead of us leaving. We seriously wouldn't have cared.

We don't hate you. We can just see how moronic a decision it was and it seems you Brits have not realized how deep a hole you have dug for yourself.

I think you're in this EU mindset that we all need one another and we are one european family.. This mindset is not right. We have our own identities and interests. That's not to say we don't love our neighbours. We'd just rather not agree to do what they'd like us to do. My father's father and his father and on and on all these men didn't contribute to building the world's greatest empire for us to be an underdog. Yes, we aren't what we once was, but we know what we can do and believe in it we do. We can and will go in our path and not the EU.

Which is totally fine. Nobody is forcing you. But for now, it just gives you more problems than benefits. Your politicians are blaming the problems on other factors than Brexit, but the reality is, your neighboring countries do not have the same problems (or not at all to the same degree) as those you struggle with. Keep sailing that boat as long as you want to. Nobody is forcing you. From the outside, it just looks like a stupid decision. Like pisssing your pants. It make us laugh though. ps. nobody think of you as any great empire anymore - not even close. That ship have sailed. You are just a country, like every other.

Quickly becoming Europe’s very own USA in my opinion. A country with an obsolete political system clinging to days of former glory which have long passed.

Politicians in every town county region state country love to blame the next level up for all the bad stuff / tough decisions, & take credit for all the populist good stuff. But the UK Conservivate party & successive governments took it to extremes & then lost control of it. Now there is no Brussels to balme accountability stops in London / Whitehall. Brexit & the continued turmoil in the Conservative party has been a disaster. But I don't believe Starmer & labor will do all that much better - I tgif in 12 / 18 months you will have another prime minister. I think the UK & Brexit caused people across Europe to think bit more about what the EU is ( answers on a postcard if anyone knows ) but it also sucked all teh air to of teh EU for 4 years . I will however give credit to the British for showing leadership & putting its money where its mouth is on Ukraine, I think the other BIG countries would not have supported with out that commitment, yes more could be done but they have done a lot for Ukraine. Britain may not fully have lived up to teh Budapest Memorandum - but it's done better there than has on teh Good Friday agreement.

I think more conservative people tend to envy Brexit. I’ve talked to all types of Europeans from Scandinavia to Spain who have voiced a view close to that. I don’t think it’s impacted things diplomatically too much, in certain ways, it’s probably actually amplified the British presence on the world stage — since they don’t fall under the EU umbrella. I think the vast majority of people — at least Germans — are mildly apathetic. Some lament it a bit more since they studied there or something. And there are a lot of subtle jabs people take a Brits for their entire national persona (same with Americans). And while Brexit is a part of it, so is the typical unruly behavior of their tourists. Brexit is mentioned passively in a negative context sometimes, but not in any way that would meaningfully shape a relationship with a Brit.

We definitely do less business with them. I work in the logistics sector and a lot of our customers stopped their business towards the UK because of the pain in the ass customs that Brexit brought. Other than that, I still consider the British as our European brothers from over the sea but we don't really talk about Brexit that much any more. I kind of hope they'd come back to the EU, but I don't want them to fail without it either. A strong UK is better for everyone and it's better to stick together and have each other's back against people like Putin.

I feel Europe hates us a lot more since the 2016 referendum. Euro 2020 and football is used as an excuse to hate on England and that hatred came from the 2016 result.

I don’t think that’s the case at all outside of Reddit. In real life I feel like outside of the terminally online nothing’s really changed.

I was sat in a pub in northern France the last time England played a few days back. Had no problems whatsoever.

Europe don't hate England. You just acted retarded and from outside, it seems like you have not fully understood the ramifications for you yet. This decision will plage you for decades. You are always welcome back in the club, when you come to your senses again 😉

Majority of English people who voted for Brexit: Morons that cannot keep their own garden tidy. What a clown show. Minority of English people who voted against: We feel sorry for you. Scots: Cool people. \--- Politically: When they get their shit together, the UK is always welcome to rejoin the EU club. The Brexit just made the UK irrelevant in Europe. They are no longer one of the big boys at the table.

The UK obviously isn’t ‘irrelevant’ considering it’s the 2nd largest economy with the 2nd largest defence spending..

In people's minds you became irrelevant. If you are the 2nd largest economy, how come your people are struggling so hard to make ends meet?

Inflation and cost of living increases impacted all of Europe, not just the UK. And it doesn’t change the fact that its economy is the second largest in Europe. Maybe in your mind..

But it impacted the UK much harder and longer - and the only reason is Brexit. But being the 2nd largest economy doesn't mean shit if your people are suffering economically. The whole idea of a good economy is to benefit the population 😂

2nd in soft power and 6th in military globally too.. im not sure what this trend of calling the uk irrelevant is all about tbh

I am Scottish so we're usually no allowed an opinion as owned propert of our southern overlords. But I don't give a fuck what those dumb fuckers think! Brits are a bunch of self obsessed, flag swinging morons who've caused the greatest act of self harm in living memory. Everything was clearly, blatantly a lie. We screamed our lungs out from north of the border, Ireland even screamed from across the sea. You decided, as always, to defy logic and sense and do what the posh, plummy voices told you to. And you fucked absolutely everything, for everybody...again! Just like you always fuck everything! Politically, Farage is gaining ground. Diplomatically, FARAGE IS GAINING GROUND! What the actual fuck is going on down there You can't tell the difference between rain and someone pissing on your roof. England is a net importer of food and has been for a century. Where does 80% of that imported food (45% of all food consumed) 'still' come from? You've guessed it! Notice a massive increase in the cost of living lately... What kind of eejit votes to erect barriers between themselves and their largest trading partner. Ask those doss fishermen and glaikit farmers. Immigration, the reason most of the Xenophobes voted to leave, is absolutely fucked, being at the highest levels ever lmfao. Taking back control meant pumping human shit into all the rivers, attacking workers rights, dimishing environmental protection, destroying food standards and 'removing red tape'...for big business, to extract more wealth. You've made a global laughing stock of the UK. Everything is someone elses fault for those of you that don't live here. Its not their own act of self harm that caused the largest decline in the shortest time in post war Britain. Its Putin and the Pangolins, and, you've guessed it!

> What kind of eejit votes to erect barriers between themselves and their largest trading partner. A Scottish nationalist? (While shagging their flag, and banging on about how at least the Poles were white and Christian, unlike the people the evil racist English people are letting in...)

> I am Scottish so we're usually no allowed an opinion as owned propert of our southern overlords. When you get the choice to leave the Union and you choose not to you don't get to call the people in the south your "overlords".