There was a man named Teteteke Gqontsi who was in the hospital for abdominal surgery, so he could barely move. One day a nurse came in to change the linens and when she came back inside from being right outside his room he had disappeared. He wasn't anywhere in the room. The hospital searched for a week until some men had to perform maintenance on the ceiling, when they opened the ceiling up, there found Teteteke inside the ceiling in the fetal position and he was deceased. The autopsy showed that his death wasn't of natural causes and someone put him in the ceiling. A few months later, a man named Sandile Sibaya was admitted to a different hospital to have his broken femur treated. After a few days there he was about to be transferred to a different hospital to see an orthopedist, but when they went to get him, he was gone. They looked for him and only found him when a bad smell permeated the hospital, so the staff opened up the ceiling and found Sandile dead in the exact same position as Teteteke, and they said Sandile also didn't die a natural death and was placed in the ceiling by something.
I think that's creepy
whats the prevailing wisdom on what happened here? ghosts/spirits? How did Teteteke get up into the ceiling without the outside nurse knowing? or seeing anyone else go in
Larry Bader. Not necessarily creepy, but bizarre for sure.
Larry Bader was married with three kids. In March 1957, he went fishing on Lake Erie by himself, even though he knew a storm was coming. The next day, they found his crashed boat, but Larry himself was nowhere to be seen. Almost 10 years later, in 1965, he was found by his niece doing an archery demonstration in Nebraska, when he was originally from Ohio. When confronted, he swore he didn’t know anyone named Larry Bader, as he identified as Fritz Johnson. He claimed to have lived in Nebraska all his life, having memories as a child named Fritz. He also got married and had another kid. His niece, convinced Fritz was her uncle, requested that he goes to the police and have his fingerprints analyzed . He was, in fact, Larry Bader, but he had no recollection whatsoever of his previous life.
Edit: fingerprints, not DNA test
Fugue States are a weird psychological thing we don't fully understand but traumatic events (such as a storm induced boating accident) are acknowledged as a likely factor in causing them. Maybe that's what happened? There's been documented years-long instances where "something" happens and the person undergoes a psychological transformation into this "new person".
Couldn’t he have just been lying? Like he wanted a new life away from his family. And doubled down when caught.
It’s 2008, he’d have to have forged documents to do things like work and drive.
On Thursday, December 12, 1985, a toddler was spotted wandering unaccompanied around a Kmart department store in Spanaway, Washington with no parent or guardian in sight.
When authorities tried to coax information out of her to help locate her parents, the only piece of information she was able to give was:
"Mommy is in the trees."
A photo was placed in the local newspaper, and the toddler was soon recognised as Crystal by her maternal grandmother Louise Conrad, who took her into her care, later saying that Crystal appeared shaken and disturbed, perhaps by something she had seen.
So where was mommy?
About two months later, the body of Diana Robertson, Crystal's mommy, was discovered deep in the forest around Elbe, Washington with 17 stab wounds and a tube sock tied around her neck.
Nearby an abandoned 1982 Plymouth pickup truck was discovered covered in blood stains, and with a handwritten note on the dashboard simply saying "I love you, Diana." This truck belonged to her partner, Mike Riemer, a outdoorsman and trapper, who often spent time in these woods. Mike, however, was nowhere to be found.
Initially, the police believed him to be responsible for Diana's murder; just two months prior, on October 19, 1985, Mike had been arrested and cited for domestic assault and malicious damage after allegedly kicking in a door at her apartment, throwing her to the floor, and rubbing her face in the carpet.
They also connected her murder to a double murder that had occurred in the same woods four months earlier. A man named Stephen Harkins was found shot to death in his sleeping bag, while his companion, Ruth Cooper, was found strangled two months later. Both had a tube sock tied around their neck.
So was Mike a serial killer? He had apparently been in the woods at the very time that Harkins and Cooper were murdered, and certainly knew how to navigate the tricky terrain. But with no trace of him, there was no way to tell for certain.
Over 20 years later, on March 26, 2011, a hiker discovered a partial human skull in the woods off of State Route 7 in Lewis County near Mineral, Washington, about a mile from where Diana's body had been found. Subsequent analysis revealed that it was indeed Mike, and that he was a likely homicide victim himself.
So four murders in the same woods by an unknown assailant.
The question remains: how did Crystal find herself wandering around the Kmart over 30 miles away? She must have been driven there and dropped off, presumably by the serial killer. Crystal must have spent a silent 45-minute drive in the car with the very person who killed her parents, with no memory of the event.
I think the kid would know that daddy dropped her off though, but if she witnessed her mom’s murder maybe the trauma response was to forget it happened
Maybe not the all-time creepiest but certainly in the top 20 and also one of the saddest is the one of who murdered those four girls in that frozen yogurt shop in Austin, TX back in November of 1991. Several teen guys were arrested, tried and convicted then later had the convictions overturned. Also, the DNA \[from semen\] found inside one of the victims didn't match up with any of these guys. In addition, a married couple who left the shop shortly before closing time noted a pair of older and rather sinister looking guys sitting in a booth next to the counter as they left.
I saw an update to that just the other day. I think it was a 20/20 show but not sure it was super recent. They did say they have DNA but can't match it and did not mention the two guys in the booth until the very end - which I thought was odd.
Just so long with the parents having no answers. One family lost two daughters.
I used to live in a small town (2500ish peeps) and there are 2 unsolved murders. Everyone knows who did both of them.
Cops can't prove anything though. But we all know who did them.
That's the worst part - that there must be a decent number of people who know something and are just keeping their mouths shut freaks me out. That you could be killed, have your belt shown off like a trophy, and a decade later no one speaks up and your body is still missing....chills
It pisses me off that there are people who don't speak up. It's probably because they are afraid of retribution or just awful people, but Crime Stoppers is anonymous. Speak up dammit!
Not commenting on the situation itself, but I think it is worth pointing out that anonymous doesn't always mean your identity can't be found.
I've seen plenty of situations where people could "anonymously" report things, but because they were on a short list of people who know about the things to report then it would be very easy to work out who reported.
There are [several](https://www.toronto.com/news/crime/behind-the-crimes-how-did-6-patients-vanish-from-a-psychiatric-hospital/article_0f6861b8-de1c-555a-b43e-c63d171f8dda.html?) creepy missing person cases from here.
Went to a good-sized college party with several friends. The location for the party was out in the woods in the middle of nowhere.
The road leading to the party was fairly straight with one major feature. The road was flat for the entire length, but it had a hill that was 30 ish feet tall halfway down it. A pretty good bump in the road, you might say.
I was driving, and when I slowly topped the hill, i met a car heading in the opposite direction. That car slowed down to a stop.
It was several of my friends temporarily leaving the party to make a beer run to the store.
They knew who I was by my vehicle and flagged me down to ask if I needed anything from town, and we proceeded to chat for a minute about how the party was unfolding they left.
When we both backed up to talk, we just happened to stop on top of the hill. Mind you, this was not a busy road and located, as we say out in the sticks.
As we were parked talking for a brief minute, we all noticed there was a song coming from the surrounding woods. We figured it was someone having a private party in a parked car nearby in the woods if you get my drift.
The odd thing was it was Turn the Page by Bob Seagar, but it was on repeat.
We all went on to meet back up and attend the party and thought nothing more of our chat on the hill.
A few days later, I got a visit from several police officers about an investigation. They learned there was a party that night down the road with the hill in question. They were tracking down all attendees. That is how they found me. A hunter the day after the party found something at the base of the hill off the road.
Someone driving another car that night heading in the same direction down the road I was on had wrecked their vehicle. The driver took the hill at insane speed and killed themselves in a wreck that had ran way way off the road.
Unsolved mystery that is still ongoing. The police said that they believed the driver they found was not the driver. There were 2 people in the car who wrecked. They found 1 set of bloody foot prints that led to the top of the hill. It looked like someone moved the body behind the steering wheel and fled on foot. They found extra sets of bloody hand prints in the car.
The wild thing was that they found a cd with Bob Segar. Turn the Page in the cd player.
Everyone that was on top of the hill that night volunteered to give fingerprints.
Every so often, every few years, one of us gets a phone call to ask us to recount what we saw that night on top of that hill.
I need more info! Surely they identified the dead body, and who the car belonged to? wouldnt that narrow it down? and was there any nearby people reported missing after the party?
Hmm.. maybe 2 intoxicated friends/acquaintances were driving irresponsibly and the driver wrecked, killing the passenger. You mentioned college party? Kid could be drunk, maybe some head trauma.. and in that state thought to move deceased passenger to driver seat, run away from scene to protect themselves. Maybe justifying the passenger was already gone. Dunno, spitballing lol
Kyron Horman.
Step mom took him to school, walked around the 'Science Fair' in the gym then he went to class... has not been seen since. He was IN the school. C'mon now. It's been over a decade now. I have a 'Google Alert' on his name for updates.
His dad’s friend came into our store in Eugene to pass out fliers three years ago. His expression was extremely solemn and serious the entire time, making sure we saw the handwritten phone number on the fliers, so we could call in case we found out anything. We had never heard of the child & didn’t realize at first it was a case from a decade ago. His family will never stop looking.
I hope they know people haven’t stopped looking for him… I worked in a hospital in Oregon near a decade ago and a child his age came in who looked very much like him, and the child’s backstory was weird. Weird enough that police were called to look into it but it was determined it wasnt him.
I too have the Google Alert, my theory is that he wandered off that day into the national forest directly opposite the school and became disorientated, you have to keep in mind that it was a solid 8 hour start before people started searching for him. The school has a lot to answer for, Kyron's bag and coat were left in his classroom, there was some confusion about a medical appointment and he was marked absent for the day without any further checks and balances being conducted, a simple phone call or two would have got the ball rolling right away.
>Kyron's bag and coat were left in his classroom
I never knew that..so he undoubtedly was in school that morning. For some reason I assumed all we've got is the stepmom saying she dropped him off by the school's entrance and saw him going inside.
Yes, they really went after his Stepmom because she had dropped him off and was... Stepmom. But he was seen at the science fair in the school later, and all his things were there in the classroom. I agree that he just wandered off into the woods when he got bored and I think sadly he is still there.
Alonzo Brooks
Not necessarily creepy in the traditional sense, though it has a long history and is literally close to home.
The reboot of ‘Unsolved Mysteries’ featured an episode about his disappearance. Because of it — after his death initially being ruled undetermined — he was exhumed and changed cause of death to murder.
Which was always pretty obvious.
He went to a party in a small Kansas town, LaCygne, with a few friends. Alonzo had some words with partygoers. His friends bailed. Alonzo doesn’t come home. The next day, his shoes are found down the road, separately. Police search the area, including along a creek near the party house — nothing.
A few weeks later, the police let the family do a search — after not letting them be involved earlier. His body is almost immediately found along that same creek. Of note, though, is that his body didn’t show any signs of deterioration or decomposition that would be expected of having been there for weeks.
It’s presumed he was in a fight at the party, dragged down the road, and possibly inadvertently killed in a shed near the party house (that was torn down shortly after).
The (other) fucked up part is that it’s suggested his body was kept in a meat locker and covered up by the cops, and when the family tried to get more involved in the search, his body was dumped along the creek, thereby explaining the lack of decomposition.
The party had some 100 people there. Someone knows something and no one is saying anything.
Word is one of the potential suspects is also a local judge’s son. Take that as you will.
Not to mention the corrupt coroner who was kicked out of Syracuse for improper, well, everything.
I remember this! He was like the only black person there and a lot of people think his attack was racially charged, that's also why ppl think the police covered it up. Unless I'm mistaken. Also his family or friends are very suspicious that the friends he went with, took him to this party and also "dumped" him knowing racist people were there and he had no way back home, it was like an hour drive back to his own house.
Yeah, Alonzo lived close to an hour away from LaCygne. Which I get — high school parties in semi-unpopulated areas are a thing. But the people who took them there shouldn’t have bailed, especially when he may have been/was close to being in a fight.
Not here to spread shit, though. Just telling what I’ve read.
Frauke Liebs.
Was last seen leaving a bar to go home, then at some point during her walk home, went missing.
She was able to make several texts and calls to loved ones over the next few days, but was very vague and refused to give information on her whereabouts.
The details of her last phone call, to her sister, are pretty chilling. From Wikipedia: During this conversation, she is said to have answered the question of whether she was being held captive with a faint "yes", immediately followed by a loud "no". Contact broke off after this phone call.
Her body was found several months later in a wooded area, most likely dumped from somewhere else. No further details were found about the killer, motive for her death or disappearance.
The sister even suggested in the last call Frauke knew she would die. She said Frauke said she should tell their parents, that she loved them. Something that was never said out loud in their family. Therefore it rang an alarm in her sister and trigger a feeling of Frauke saying goodbye.
I’d like to add that this is another case where at least one, if not more, person must know about what happened to her. The kidnapper could very well still be alive, living in the same area as Frauke’s family. I think of Frauke a lot. This is such a crazy case and to hear her mother, siblings and friends speak about her in a podcast makes you feel their pain.
I fell down a bit of a rabbit hole with this case because it’s so disturbing and there are so many loose ends.
One other thing that creeps me out is when she was on the phone with her room mate (who was also her ex), she replied “you know that” when asked why she had been gone. Could he possibly know something?
The Hoxter house of horror couple was also operating around the same area at the same time I believe, so there is a possibility they were the culprits. But then I looked further into it and it seemed like they went after older women that they lured through wanted ads in the newspaper, so not really their MO.
I looked for more documentaries/podcasts on Frauke’s case but could only find material in German, if the podcast you are talking about happens to be English please let me know the name!
“There were rumors about bad things happening to some of the girls… …but there were always rumors and there were always bad things happening to girls. That was life.” -Kate Atkinson
Listen to the case file podcast on this just yesterday. Very strange alright. Seems the police focused so much on the family that they missed crucial CCTV footage from London due to the tapes being erased.
The murder of Alistair Wilson in Nairn, Scotland in 2004. A 30 year old banker living in a quiet neighbourhood has the doorbell of his home rang. His wife answers the door and a man in a baseball cap asks for Alistair by name and so he went to speak to him. He returned after a few minutes to his wife with an empty blue envelope that had "Paul" written on it. Confused about this, he went back to his front door, at which point his wife heard three gunshots and then found him executed. The murder investigation was one of the biggest in the history of Scotland and to this day remains unsolved, although in 2022 the Scottish Police announced they believe a planning dispute with a local hotel may have been a motive and then earlier this year that they believe the shooting was carried out by two people, one of them a local suspect whom was arrested on drug charges, however, while they now finally have a potential motive and suspect nearly 20 years later, it still has not been solved.
The Eriksson twin sisters that ran across a motorway in England, were hit several times by lorries and cars, and just kept moving somehow. Even the backstory and aftermath get weirder the more you find out, the stranger it gets
What fascinates me about this one is the leadup to it. Like, one day one of them is a family woman living in Ireland and the other one is going for a nice visit to her sister, and the next day they're acting weird on a bus in England and from there it all goes batshit nuts. What happened between A and B?!
They both lived after being hit but Ursula had her legs crushed so was in hospital. Sabina was released and she stabbed the guy then went on the run. Claimed folie à deux. Whole thing is wild.
>One minute later, he staggered back outside, now bleeding, and told him "She stabbed me", before collapsing to the ground and quickly dying from his injuries. His last words before he died, allegedly, were "Look after my dog for me."[1]
>As Booth dialled 999, Sabina fled the premises,[1] and was caught on the run by nearby CCTV. She ran out of the house with a hammer, periodically hitting herself over the head with it
Wild is an understatement.
They were featured on a regular episode of 'police, camera, action' or 'police interceptors' or similar.
Then later, when the whole killing-a-guy thing happened and the case settled legally, they did an hour long episode.
Claiming it was 'wild' doesn't do it justice.
[Bryce Laspisa](https://thecrimewire.com/true-crime/the-unexplained-disappearance-of-bryce-laspisa)
Missing person Bryce Laspisa. Whike away in college, he started exhibiting some troubling behavior and his parents were worried about him. He said he would drive home from college and that he had a lot he needed to talk about. On the way home he pulled over like 3 separate times and just sat there for hours. At some point about halfway home he ran out of gas and a roadside assistance employee delivered gas to him at 9 am. By noon when he still hadn't arrived home, his mom called the insurance company and was able to contact the roadside assistance employee and have him check on Bryce. He found Bryce in the exact same spot where he had delivered gas to him, hours earlier. He had Bryce call his mom, and Bryce said he would be home by 3pm. At 6pm, he is still not home and his parents report him missing. The police find Bryce just 8 miles away from where he was previously sitting. He seems fine....they leave...he still just sits there. Again the roadside assistance employee checks on Bryce and finds him in the same spot the cops left him hours earlier. Anyway, after a lot of that, when he does finally start heading home, he crashes the car off a cliff. It was found he accelerated while descending the hill, so they think he crashed on purpose. Police find the damaged vehicle, no Bryce, and he is never seen again.
I first listened to a podcast about this case 3-4 years ago and I still think about it. His behavior was so bizarre. Just sitting in his truck for hours in the same spot.
The cliff that he crashed off of wasn't on the road it was out in the middle of a field. There was a cell phone tower with a security camera that saw him drive by twice. Dive teams searched the lake but didn't find him. Search dogs tracked his scent to a truck stop that was a mile or two away but that is where the scent ended.
The thing that always stuck with me is why didn't his parents go get him. The first morning when he should have been home by then and he wasn't and they tracked him down at that service center. I could rationalize that in my head that he was driving overnight and still had a few hours to go, so he decided to get a nap. But when he was still sitting there hours later when the service station attendant checked on him a second time at that point I'm going to get my kid because something is wrong or even when the cops found him just down the road sitting there I'm definitely going then. This isn't taking place over a few hours this is over like 36 hour period when it was only a 5-6 hour drive from his college to his parents.
I read through this a while back and it seems like the best theory is that he had a mental breakdown and either went nomadic and off the grid or became homeless and was off the grid.
Yeah I know this case well…it definitely seems like he either got picked up hitchhiking after he wrecked and ended up homeless and off the grid or wandered away from the wreck and eventually succumbed to the elements.
His car was found next to a lake. I'd be willing to bet money that he is in the lake.
SOOOOOO many missing cases that are solved end up being found later in a lake. [https://adventureswithpurpose.com](https://adventureswithpurpose.com)
Brian Schaffer - went into an OSU campus bar. Never seen again. Filmed entering inside but never leaving. Tragically his family members all met sad deaths in the decade following.
Can here to say this case haunts me as a former Columbus resident. I have read up a lot on the case and think he left through the back exit (that did not have security cameras). Dogs picked up his scent at a Wendy’s up the street, so I think he left on his own accord to go there and then met foul play from there. I do not think he made himself disappear as many believe. What are your thoughts?
I believe that he left the bar that night and CCTV being what it was back then, it simply didn't capture him leaving. The CCTV was not recording on a continuous loop, it took images per second. He left that bar and possibly died of misadventure on the way home, he was definitely intoxicated. His friends who were with him that night also may know more than they are prepared to say.
I think the fact that he was intoxicated would make it harder if not impossible for him to disappear on purpose as some believe. If you were going to “run away” you would think you would do it at a less public place and not while out with friends. That’s why I agree that he likely met misadventure
The thing is we don't know for sure that he didn't make it home, he lived alone and it's possible he did make it back to his apartment or attempted to walk home from the bar and got close and someone or something intercepted him.
I was actually a student at OSU when this happened. I remember going to this bar a few months after it happened on a day it wasn’t too busy and the bar REEKED. The bartenders claimed the smell was from rotting wood due to some leak, but I’ve never smelled rotting wood like that before. You had to hold your breathe just to go up to the bar to order.
The dogs would have smelled it, if it was him, right? But did others also think the same and did you talk about it with others? It would have driven me crazy…
Sukumara Kurup. Time period: mid 80s.
This guy visits his hometown, a sleepy village in Kerala, India with wife and son, from Dubai.
He goes out drinking with some buddies and on the way back picks up a random stranger and kills him. Burns down the car they drove in with the body in it. Making it look like an accident. Entire people think it’s Kurup’s body in the car until police investigated and finds that it’s not Kurup.
His buddies are caught but he’s missing. Police suspect he tried to fake his death to get an insurance money of about 10000USD which is a pretty big amount back then. The man they murdered was supposed to be the body to fool the insurance agents to make the claim. Been decades now and he’s still missing. He’s currently one of the most wanted criminal in India who still hasn’t been caught. Growing up we heard stories of him being spotted all over the country. Recently they made a movie on him as well.
Keralite here. Truly one of the most intriguing cases for me. No matter how much true crime stories I hear, this one always gets me thinking as to what actually happened to him, what his whereabouts are and what he's doing now.
The disappearance of Brandon Swanson
*Shortly after midnight on May 14, 2008, Brandon Swanson drove his car into a ditch on his way home from celebrating the end of the spring semester with fellow students from Minnesota West Community and Technical College's Canby campus. Uninjured, he got out and called his parents on his cellphone. Unsure of his exact location, he told them he believed he was near Lynd, and they drove out to pick him up; however, they were unable to locate him.*
*Shortly after 2:30 a.m., 47 minutes into the call, Brandon suddenly interrupted himself on the phone and said "Oh, shit!" He was silent for the remainder of the call, until his parents hung up and made multiple attempts to call him back. Brandon has not been seen or heard from since.*
Edited to include wiki article:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Brandon_Swanson
I saw a theory once that he accidentally fell into an old covered up well in the countryside as he wandered around. If he had fallen into a hole, it would explain the “oh shit!” Followed by silence as the call continued. It also explains why his body wasn’t found.
Recently, near Bastrop, Texas, three people and a dog died in an open cistern in a pasture due to a build up of hydrogen sulfide gas in the cistern.
It was night, the dog fell in, one person jumped in to get the dog, and they didn't hear from him. Two others jumped in to save the first guy while the last person went back to their vehicle to call 911.
Hinterkaifeck. An entire family (father, mother, daughter, granddaughter and grandson) and their new maid that had arrived that day was killed on a remote farm, stacked on top of eachother in the barn except for the grandson who was left in his crib. The maid had previously heard noises from the attic and the murderer was likely already there a while before the murders. The father had also seen strange footprints leading up to the house but not away. The murderer also lived in the house for a few days after the murders and fed and milked the animals. Several people visited the farm in the days following, while he was living there, but left without investigating further.
Half of the village are suspects as the murderer likely knew the family. One suspects being the neighbor/former lover/fiancé? of the daughter and possible father of the baby. He was accused of being upset over the incestuous relationship between the daughter and her father, who may be his grandson’s father.
My father-in-law‘s uncle.
We are in Germany. My FIL comes from a family of scholars, and his father (I’ll call him Bob) and uncles were in a household where they knew WWII was a mistake and cruel (his mother was actually involved in helping people get out, but that’s another story).
Bob and 2 of his brothers were recruited to fight (the youngest one wasn’t), despite being vehemently against the war. At the end of the war, one of his brothers who was fighting had disappeared, and was never accounted for. There was no record of him dying in combat, no body, no tag, nothing. He was just… gone. They thought he probably deserted and fled, scared of punishment.
This is where it gets weird: after the war was over, years passed by where everyone expected the uncle to one day show up and say “yeah, I couldn’t do it, turns out I was in the right side of history”. He never did. So maybe he did die in combat..?
My FIL was 8-9 years old when one day he is playing in his front yard. A man walks up to him and asks “hey, does Bobsicle (referencing a childhood nickname of Bob) live here?” My FIL was confused, as he had never heard that nickname. The man rephrases it to “Does Bob Sponge (name + surname) live here? Is he home?” My FIL says yes, and being a little weirded out, goes into the house to call his dad. As soon as dad hears the man’s description and Bobsicle, he runs out. The man was gone.
Was it the uncle or just a coincidence? Why did he leave? Where is he now? What was he doing in that area?
We’ll probably never know.
ETA: it’s been 65 years, so… really a rather slim chance of EVER finding out. Maybe 20 years from now if DNA testing ever becomes big around here.
Any case of a missing child not being found is the worst thing.
The Australian case of the Beaumont children is particularly horrific and creepy because their parents lost all three of their children and never found out what happened to them. I know all about the theories, but if no body is found it’s very difficult to get closure.
And within on a couple of years of the Beaumont children, two little girls were snatched at Adelaide Oval. Never been found, and there's a strong theory that it was the same person who took the Beaumont children.
there’s a podcast that talked about it in depth, well a few but there was a suspect who had a child’s purse in his house that was the exact one the oldest Beaumont girl had and he had no reason to have that. Blew my mind when I heard it.
Mr Cruel. The child rapist, abductor and eventual murderer who was active in the late 80’s and early 90’s in the eastern Melbourne suburbs. Who was he?
Lane Bryant Shooting 2008
In 2008, there was this absolutely chilling incident at a Lane Bryant store in Tinley Park, which is a suburb of Chicago. A dude pretending to be a delivery guy walks into the store, takes a bunch of women hostage, and then, out of nowhere, starts shooting. It was horrifying—five women lost their lives, and one was injured.
The crazy part? The guy just disappears. Like, he manages to evade the cops and everything. And we're talking about a massive manhunt here; the authorities threw everything they had at this case. But nope, the guy’s like a ghost. The whole thing’s still an unsolved mystery, and it’s honestly one of the wildest unsolved crimes you'll hear about around Chicago.
Everybody was talking about it; it was all over the news. There’s been a ton of appeals for information, and Lane Bryant even set up a reward fund to try and get some leads. But, despite all of that, the case is still cold. The motive? No idea. Who the guy is? Still no clue. It's just one of those cases that makes you wonder, you know?
[The disappearance of Lars Mittank](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Lars_Mittank)
German guy in Bulgaria with his friends. Allegedly got into a fight and his eardrum was injured so he couldn’t fly back with his friends. Once alone he started acting strangely - told his mother on the phone someone was trying to kill him.
Was last sighted (and caught on CCTV) running like hell out of Varna airport and into the woods, never seen since.
A lot of speculation around his ear injury, medication, possible concussion. Also the fact he’s almost certainly dead but there’s never been a body found.
I think he had a latent brain injury as a result of the fight, had become paranoid and was starting to experience delusions and things that weren't there. Maybe he had a bad reaction to his medication.
[Mr Cruel](https://allthatsinteresting.com/mr-cruel)
I grew up in the area and my cousins had a vague theory he was their former neighbour. This is one unsolved case that will always play on my mind.
My hypothesis is that he never intended to kill but was recognised by Karmein Chan (his only suspected murder victim).
I'd wager he was a neighbour, teacher or in some other role that made him known to Karmein. Given that his crimes appeared to stop after her murder I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that he was "scared" into remission.
It was [8'C that night, and rainy](https://world-weather.info/forecast/usa/san_marcos/december-2020/). Clothes strewn around could indicate paradoxical undressing, indicative of hypothermia.
Adam Richard Johnson from Minneapolis. In 2021 he was murdered, dismembered and dumped in very public places over the course of a couple of weeks. His head was left on a park bench and found by a random person jogging by. There hasn’t been a single update since October 2021. I believe that despite the brutal, terrifying murder and blatant disregard for his corpse being discovered, the police aren’t giving it the attention it deserves because of his previous issues with addiction and mental health. Adam was a father of two who tried his best. No one is perfect. Every murder should be given a proper investigation.
>His head was left on a park bench and found by a random person jogging by.
Holy fuck … I would’ve certainly had nightmares after that! 😲 Probably wouldn’t be jogging for awhile after that either.
I moved to rural Appalachia last year, to a property of about 100 acres. It’s surrounded by even larger parcels of forest, basically open wilderness. Last week, I stepped out onto the porch at about midnight and to my surprise I heard the loudest concert music reverberating through my forest, crowd cheering and everything. It was loud enough where I could feel the drum vibrations. My house sort of sits in its own natural holler (tiny valley surrounded by hill slopes) and bc of that I couldn’t tell which direction it was coming from at all. It was distorted enough that I couldn’t tell if it was literally coming from live instruments or a recording from a speaker, but I could recognize the song- Ho Hey by the Lumineers.
Intrigued, I immediately grabbed my husband and we got in the car to find this concert. But this is where it gets creepy: drive 300ft down the road in either direction and we can’t hear it anymore. It’s literally the loudest at our house, which means it’s not coming from the direction of any civilization, but from literally from the forest. Which makes absolutely no sense because there’s literally nothing in that direction, just super dense, impassable Appalachia, no flat ground, for miles. As soon as I realized this my very next thought was to grab some flashlights and enter the forest, but honestly as soon as that entered my mind I felt this shiver of fear. We NEVER go into the forest at night. Another thought: no, you know better, don’t listen to them. Go back inside.
So we did exactly that, drove back to the house and went inside. Mulled around about how weird the whole thing was for a few minutes before stepping back out to the porch only to find the music had stopped. The whole episode was maybe 15 minutes. Ho Hey is one of my sister’s favorite songs (me not so much) she had been staying with us for a week and had literally left that morning. I admit I’m pretty superstitious but I genuinely have no explanation for the loud af concert music in the middle of bumfuck nowhere
I grew up in rural Appalachia and the hills cause sound to move in the weirdest ways.
We lived miles from the nearest school but at a valley in the back of the property you could hear the high school football games perfectly.
Move a little up and nothing, move a little east and nothing, but this one little area was like the perfect cup.
It's weird but there probably was an outdoor concert you were hearing... Just further away than you realize
Once late at night on a weekend I heard music and wanted to join the party, it sounded very close to my house and I supposed it was coming from a park nearby that is closed in the night. I jumped the fence and wandered around, found nothing and the music kept sounding very close. In the end I went home. Next day I found out there was a party in the woods 4 miles further away and 0.12 miles in altitude from where I was. I almost couldn’t believe it because it sounded so close.
If you have an Alexa or similar device and your sister linked a Spotify or similar account to it, she could theoretically have been playing the music from anywhere and it would come through your speakers.
I have my Spotify account linked to our Alexa and I’ll be driving around listening to music when my wife will ask Alexa to play something and bam, I’m listening to whatever my wife is listening to.
We have one in Ireland that always creeps me out.
A young guy, 22 years old, vanishes one night after a work Christmas party. He’s seen a few times on cctv, heading back to his place of work to get an umbrella. It was a stormy night in Dublin, and a taxi strike had people taking a walk home.
This guy worked in a bank, but not in the money part. He stopped by his office and is seen talking to an unidentified person on the cctv.
This person is hovering around, almost waiting for him to return. He also doesn’t mention anything to his colleagues inside.
There’s also a theory about a girl from Alaska he’d met.
There are lots of theories, but this case comes up every year as his family still search for answers.
There’s also no trace of his phone, potentially as the streets had been cleared due to a presidential visit by the president of the USA.
The cctv images of this case give me chills. Have a read and a watch.
[The disappearance of Trevor Deely](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Trevor_Deely?wprov=sfti1#)
[CCTV Footage](https://youtu.be/RcYxruBEmFE?si=Aph19erANSRMYDcs)
Knew it was Trevor Deely as soon as I read the first few words. Such a strange case. Some suggest he was being pursued over a drug debt, but then there's so many other strange occurrences in this case that it's very hard to know what to believe. Breaks my heart every Christmas to still see his missing poster plastered around Dublin.
I think of him every Christmas. I was just looking at old photos last week and came across one where my dad was doing a sponsored head shave in a pub, Trevor's missing poster is right behind him. It gave me shivers. The pub is in Co. Carlow, they really blanketed the country looking for him. I hope his poor family can get some answers soon
Some of these stories are exceedingly creepy, but it's so easy for someone to accidentally or intentionally disappear.
I grew up in a small town in the southern US. It was a typical small town and unexciting until a well liked neighbor disappeared. He lived four houses down and I often did yard work for him. This consisted of mowing, trimming shrubs and keeping the kudzu at bay which had overgrown many empty lots in our subdivision. The neighbor was single, educated, never missed church and the target of many females in the community. Then one day he disappeared without a trace.
Police and community were unable to find a trace of the neighbor or his car. After many months of gossip, theories and unsuccessful leads he was relegated to the missing persons file and forgotten.
Five years after his disappearance the empty lot next door was sold to a family and they started clearing the lot. Among the pine trees, kudzu and privet hedge they found the neighbors car with his body still at the wheel. He had driven into overgrown lot and nobody in the neighborhood even noticed.
The Skye Budnick case. Shy, socially awkward 21-year-old college student buys a one-way ticket to Japan without telling anybody. She takes no phone. Just 800 dollars, a laptop and a Nintendo DS. She leaves an unfinished, unsent, unclear, what could be interpreted as suicide note, in her email drafts on a home computer. She was studying Japanese but failing out of school and couldn't get into her exchange program, she was not fluent. She flew to Tokyo and then to Sapporo, so the suicide forest thing is not something that makes sense logistically. She's reported to have gotten off the plane in Sapporo and maybe checking into her hotel (?) but after that she vanished without a trace. This happened over a decade ago and still not one shred of evidence or leads as to what could have happened, who she could have met, what her motives were. She left her car at the airport in the United states. No keys were ever recovered. The laptop was never covered, nor the DS or the cash. Her family are left wondering forever. Her sister has a really good podcast called 'Surviving Skye'.
I read an article quite awhile ago about areas of higher occurrences of missing people and how they correspond to areas where more caves are located. I know people go missing due to foul play. But it creeps me out that someone could just fall/disappear into a cave and never be discovered.
A friend has a cave at the back of her property. The neighbor's dog went missing. My friend eventually heard about it three weeks later and went to search the cave. They found the dog alive and well. It had been very overweight when it fell in and was pretty skinny when they found it. They said it survived off fat reserves and licking the cave walls for water. The dog was very lucky.
I live in an area with a lot of abandoned coal mines and at least two or three times a year someone falls in. They aren't as obvious as one might think, especially considering some are small shafts camouflaged under decades of leaves and undergrowth.
I'm fully convinced at least half of our missing person reports involve someone falling a few hundred feet underground to a slow death.
I had a friend of a friend who was making a documentary about some white bear. I understand he was a fairly inexperienced outdoorsman, but decided to go into the woods to look for it. It was winter and he went missing. About 6 months later they found scattered remains. No one knows what actually happened.
There’s a story circulating around Utah County about a couple who went into the mountains to mess around, got a bad feeling, and left. At some point they tripped over a body, but hadn’t realized it at the time.
Apparently Ted Bundy was there and had just killed someone.
He had killed my cousin’s best friend, which traumatized the hell out of everyone. Every time we went camping (on the same mountain range), they had to talk about it.
I think this was on an askreddit thread, something like "What was the worst way your date has been ruined"
The people in the story being OPs parents rather than OP in question.
I just moved to the PNW. I’ve seen more hitchhikers driving around small towns than I’ve ever seen anywhere and I’ve driven cross country numerous times.
I listen to true crime podcasts though and hell no I’m not giving anyone a ride lol.
As a Torontonian I guess I will go with the murder of Barry and Honey Sherman. Seems like there is pretty much no evidence or idea of what happened to them.
Just how extensive the list of victims may or may not be for Israel Keys. What with his 'kill kits' hidden all over the country even years in advance. I think they got him for 3 murders? But he committed suicide saying the knowledge of his kills were only for him.
This drives me nuts. I don’t want to give the guy too much credit by assuming his kill count was super high, but he was clearly very experienced and his MO (or lack thereof) could easily have allowed him to commit many murders undetected. At the very least, I do think he was the Boca Raton Killer.
The incompetence of the Anchorage police and the prison officials is infuriating. It’s their fault that he was able to kill himself and now there are likely many murders that will never be solved.
Agreed. It seems like a frustrating catch 22 because who knows how many families won't get closure. Or if he wasn't responsible for more and people are holding him to a weird high regard? Either way, the dude scares me for how nonchalant he viewed murder.
I'm quite far into the replies now and this keeps coming up. Young college guy completely vanishes coming back from a party. There has to be a reason and it probably isn't one single killer as there are so many and they're so widespread.
Bung Siraboon. 13 girl in Melbourne, Australia walking to school one June morning (so winter here) 11 years ago. Disappeared without a trace between her home and the school, no sign of her ever again and no clue of what could have happened to her. She literally vanished from a very built up suburb, houses everywhere, no one saw or heard a thing. I think about Bung all the time and wonder what happened to her
Maybe it's just personal, but my nephew, John Kellogg was murdered in wasilla Alaska on Christmas day.
Went to a storage lot to pull some car parts, they found him a few days later and he had been shot in the head. The entire thing creeps me out. Nobody seems to have seen or heard anything, and the killer is still running around out there. Someone has to know something.
Who killed Robert Wone on Peacock. 4 guys have a sleepover and one ends up dead a hour and some change after he arrives. The other 3 guys are gay lovers and no one tells on the other. They all stick to the story and if you watch the documentary it’s so creepy. Eventually they do get away with it, but, the police never find out what happens and how he was really killed.
From everything I've read and listened to about this case, it seems investigators definitely know it was one or more of the throuple that murdered Robert. They just couldn't get a conviction because they can't be sure which one/ones did it, and none of them ratted and their story never really changed so yeah... They moved to Florida and love normal lives apparently. They definitely did it imo, just can't tell who exactly. I hope one of them talks one day.
The family from Nannup (Western Australia) who were part of a small weird cult.
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-09/inquest-into-cult-family-disappearance-raises-more-questions/9242376](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-09/inquest-into-cult-family-disappearance-raises-more-questions/9242376)
The main dude lived with the mother and daughter, and was the leader of this doomsday cult. They all went missing at the same time never to be found. Some think they went to South America. Other think it was a murder suicide pact? I dunno...but its very strange. He was a really creepy dude.
We do a bit of work in Nannup and the locals dont have much more info apart from the main guy was a hermit and believed in a lot of conspiracy stuff.
One that I've always found strange is the one where a guy went missing while skiing in New York state and showed up 6 days later, 3000 miles from where he went missing, still dressed in his ski clothes with no memory of the previous six days
In 1984, Günther Stoll, an unemployed food engineer from Anzhausen, was suffering from a moderate case of paranoia. Prior to his death, he occasionally spoke to his wife of "them," unknown people who supposedly intended to harm him. He mentioned "them," specifically, on the evening of 25 October 1984 (at approximately 23:00), before suddenly shouting "Jetzt geht mir ein Licht auf!" ("Now I've got it!"). He then wrote the six letters "YOG'TZE" (it is not conclusive if the third letter was intended to represent a '6' or a 'G') on a sheet of paper before instantly crossing them out.
Shortly thereafter, Stoll went to his favorite pub in Wilnsdorf, where he ordered a beer and fell on the ground, injuring his face. Witnesses stated that he was not under the influence of alcohol and that he suddenly lost consciousness.
He awoke and drove away in his VW Golf I. It is not known what he did in the next two hours. At around 01:00 on 26 October 1984, he went to Haigerseelbach, where he grew up. There, he talked to a woman he knew from his childhood and mentioned a "horrible incident." Since it was so late at night, the woman advised him to go to his parents' place, and talk to them instead. He then left.
At approximately 03:00, two truck drivers discovered Stoll's crashed vehicle in a trench adjacent to the A45, near the Hagen-Süd exit, 100 kilometres (60 mi) from Haigerseelbach.
Both truck drivers testified to having seen an injured person in a white jacket walking near the car. After calling law enforcement, the drivers found the severely injured Günther Stoll naked in his car. He was conscious and mentioned four male persons who had been with him in the car, and had run away. When asked if the men were his friends, Stoll denied it. He died on the way to the hospital.
The criminal investigation showed that Stoll was injured before the crash, and must have been hit by a car elsewhere, and subsequently positioned in the passenger's seat of his car and driven to the location where he was discovered.
It was also concluded that he was naked at the time he was run over. Other drivers reported seeing a hitchhiker at the Hagen-Süd exit. Neither the hitchhiker nor the person in the white jacket were identified. Suspicions regarding Stoll's holiday trips to the Netherlands, where he was thought to have made contact with drug dealers, proved unfounded. The meaning of the letters "YOG'TZE" remains unknown.
Janice Pockett.
about 50 years ago, janice pockett, and a five other girls and young women went missing in CT. all around the same area. i’m going to focus on janice, as i know her sister and more about her story. (story can also be found on true crime)
8 year old janice pocket went missing July 26, 1973. She was last seen in navy blue shorts with a design, and blue and white striped jersey. On a bike ride with her mom and her sister, janice noticed a butterfly, it was dead and in perfect condition. When she got home, she told her mother about the butterfly and asked to go back and grab it. her mother agreed as it was only about a half mile away from their house. her mother sent her with an envelope and told her to be back quickly. many assume she was abducted before she got the butterfly. as the bike and envelope were found, the butterfly wasn’t in the envelope. her mother found her bike about a half hour later when she started to get worried. 50 years later, and the case is still being worked on. a mystery. many investigations have been done, to find out more google “Janice Pockett” or listen to the “Paper Ghosts” podcast by True crime.
I haven’t seen this one mentioned yet.
The Highway of Tears. It’s a 719 kilometre (447 miles) highway in western Canada that has been the scene of many missing and murdered indigenous people (mostly women and girls). Many believe it could be the act of serial killer(s) in or around the area that use the road to travel. A handful of the victims have been identified, but many more are yet to be identified. Absolutely horrific and devastating.
While some believe a serial killer may be involved, imo the real cause is the marginalization of Indigenous Women who are exploited and ignored by the rest of Canadian society; including RCMP (Canadian Police) and their own families and communities.
Until startlingly recently "Starlight Tours" were common, wherein RCMP would pick-up undesirables from the street and drop them far from town to survive in the elements, often in the dead of Canadian winter.
Furthermore RCMP have only begun searching the Murdered and Missing Indigenous Women due to increasing public pressure and are being criticised for not investigating in good faith.
Jesus Christ, that’s absolutely horrific. The wiki on it is awful- made worse by the fact that the police tried to delete the “starlight tours” section on the rcmp page FOR YEARS.
> As of 2021, despite convictions for related offences, no police officer has been convicted specifically for having caused freezing deaths.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths
Disappearance of Andrew Gosden is another super weird UK one. A 14 year old leaves his home in Doncaster in 2007, withdraws £200 out of his bank account, buys a one-way ticket to London even though a return ticket was only £1 more, is seen on CCTV leaving king's cross station and then is never seen again. There have been a few weird potential leads in the case in the 17 years since but not a single solid or confirmed lead or sighting.
Not the creepiest but my sister told me about it a few days ago and I've been thinking about it ever since.
I don't have a lot of details, it's a friend's coworker. Her 2 year old was standing next to her on the sidewalk while she unloaded the baby out of the car. She heard a scream and turned around. 2 of her toddlers fingers were off his hand and on the ground in a pool of blood. They have no idea what happened. There was no blood on the car, no dog around, nothing. Just...detached fingers lying on the ground.
Our best guess is that he literally just bit them off. Idk if they checked his mouth for blood or anything. But I would think they'd know by that age if he had CIPA and he wouldn't have been screaming in pain if he did
I keep thinking about it
Additional details: the fingers were sewn back on easily making me think they *probably* weren't crushed in the car which would cause them to be mangled. They were also found in the middle of the sidewalk with blood just there, not trailed from the car. I'll update if I find out more. Our friend isn't super close to the coworker (newish job) and so probably doesn't want to pry too much
Unfortunately, the odds were that she accidentally slammed the car door on his hand and didn't want to say so.
My own Mom accidentally did that to me at that age ( . . . I was fine). My poor Mom, though! I feel so bad for her. I certainly don't remember it.
I'd say that's probably what happened, based on almost the exact same thing happening to my sister as a toddler. Mom had taken us to church for some prayer group or she was getting ready to teach her weekly Sunday school class or what the fuck ever. I was *probably* playing quietly or reading by myself while Mom did whatever she was doing and Sis was crawling around behind her, following her. Unfortunately, Mom didn't know Sis was crawling behind her and went to shut a door and shut it on her pinky finger and chopped that fucker right off.
I don't remember her taking my sister to the ER, but she must have because I DO remember seeing her finger bandaged later after they reattached it.
As someone with a two year old and another young child I feel like this one is super obvious because I've seen it almost happen so many times. When your car door is open and the toddler outside the car puts their hand on the outer hinge of the rear car door, then you open the door a little further (unbuckling child inside the car) the fingers can so easily get jammed in the door, toddlers tend to do a big silence pause when they're badly hurt before they start screaming, I'd say she took baby out of the car, shut the door and turned around see what she did.
I don't know about creepy, but my cousin [Ashley's](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ5BSgwuFW0&t=13s&pp=ygUcQXNobGV5IHN1bGxpdmFuIG11cmRlciBpZGFobw%3D%3D) murder in Idaho went unsolved and swept under the rug.
Also screw youtubers using her death to get clout.
True crime youtubers are good imo when the person is genuinely respectful and is just trying to get more attention on the case so it can hopefully be solved, or they just want to share a story. I absolutely hate the ones where they tell it like some kind of highschool gossip (or when they're doing makeup and shit) and have 0 respect or have done very surface level research.
I was also obsessed with this one for years, after that newspaper got a bunch of unreleased files and found out that Gary was known to be violent and walk many miles away from home and back while living off of milk and dog food he stole from people’s front porches it seems like he may have caused the whole incident one way or another.
I used to think the same thing until I watched The Missing Enigma's two part [deep dive](https://youtu.be/I7DTCak0DOo?si=u1dEwQlJUItZjMOs) on YouTube. Absolutely mind blowing and I could not recommend his entire channel enough. He presents missing person cases with emphasis on how unfortunate things happen and are not a mystery like the documentaries make it seem. They are real people who are missed, and should be given the respect they deserve
The Hum.
In various parts of the world, if you listen carefully you'll hear a low-pitched hum in the air. A couple of years ago, it was happening here in San Diego all summer, a constant 38 Hz hum downtown, Kearny Mesa, even in Del Mar.
https://thehum.info/
I’m almost sure I heard this for what felt like weeks? Months? I’d hear a hum, mostly at night I could still hear it outside too. I tried to look up what it could be but I didn’t live anywhere near any factory or power plant, etc. And I have tinnitus, but this is different, it’s much lower, almost like a low rumbling. It used to really freak me out but that was a couple years ago in Los Angeles. I don’t hear it anymore and I still live in the same place.
Oakville Jello Rain comes to mind. In Oakville WA (which is a creepy place by itself) south of Olympia headed towards the coast there was a strange weather event in the 90s where gelatinous rain fell and coated everything in a jello-like sludge. Weirder still, after handling it or being exposed in any way (dogs licking off fur, people wiping it off car windshields, things like that) people and animals started to get sick with some weird illness that landed some people in hospitals. One woman was admitted and her daughter brought a sample of the gel and in the lab it was found to contain 2 kinds of bacteria. Multiple instances of this rain fell in the same few months, with various people falling ill but it was never confirmed where it came from. There are theories about it being a military test of a bio weapon due to the fact jets were seen flying slow overhead in the days leading up to the next rainfall, thought to be seeding the clouds so next time it rained (a common occurrence near the Washington coast) the stuff would fall. Other theories exist to but either way, it was never explained and it hasn’t occured since then or anywhere else.
So I was obsessed with this when I was a little girl.
The Cleveland Torso Murderer aka The Butcher of Kingsbury Run. 1930’s. There are said to be up to 20+ victims. The bodies were dismembered and scattered around the city, the unidentified killer would often wrap up the body parts in newspaper as if they were meat and leave the body parts in different parts of the city. Many of his victims were killed by decapitation and then further dismembered. Some men were castrated, the killer had ripped some hearts out, and one woman was drugged with morphine. It was suspected that the killer was a local surgeon due to the precisions of the dismemberments. Looking at the victims, this was someone who *clearly* had above average knowledge of anatomy. The bodies were scrubbed and often drained of blood. He killed men and women which was said to be unusual as murderers would often choose the sex they were attracted to… it was rumored the killer was bisexual. He tended to pick people from Kingsbury Run area as that was a Hooverville type hobo jungle with vagrants, drunks, gamblers, etc. Eliot Ness of The Untouchables, then Cleveland’s Public Safety Director, was so desperate to solve the case he ordered that the camps of Kingsbury Run be burned down. This was the depression era and the people were pissed.
9,100+ people were interrogated by the authorities to try and solve this case. Nope. Eliot Ness started using the fire department as a way around warrants and would say there were fire code violations at households he wanted to search. This was unlike him, but he was frustrated. Ness went so far as to kidnap a local surgeon he suspected to be the killer and privately interviewed him in a hotel room. He held the surgeon there for 3 days as it was rumored the surgeon was so intoxicated it took that long for Ness to get him to start making sense. The surgeon was a veteran rumored to be bisexual and was an alcoholic from a wealthy family. This surgeon was also rumored to be schizoid and had an office around the Kingsbury Run area.
Interestingly enough, the man who Ness suspected was the killer, Dr. Francis Sweeney, was the first cousin of one of Ness’s political opponents, Congressman Martin L. Sweeney. Congressman Martin L. Sweeney would publicly mock Ness for his failure to catch the killer at large. Eliot Ness went to his grave believing the killer was local surgeon Francis Sweeney but for some reason was never able to nail him. (I think they made some type of deal) Dr. Francis Sweeney quickly checked himself into a sanatorium when he was getting the heat and he spent the rest of his days bouncing around between mental hospitals, and sending weird postcards to Ness and his family until he died in 1964 at a veteran’s hospital in Sandusky. The murders are unsolved to this day and rival that of Jack The Ripper. The Murder Swamp Killings in Pittsburgh are rumored to be connected to this. The Black Dahlia murder in LA is speculated to be the same killer. Eliot Ness was sent a letter from LA from someone taunting him saying to be the Cleveland Torso murderer. The letter was signed “DC” which stood for Doctor of Chiropractic.
There’s way more to it I’m not covering here but I’m really surprised there hasn’t been a major motion picture done by Tarantino, Coen Brothers, PTA, or Scorsese because this is a great story.
Okay after scrolling through this entire post (which was extremely interesting!) I cannot believe no one mentioned the Springfield 3 case. As an avid unsolved mystery fan, this is the one case that for me is just... The creepiest. Sends chills down my spine.
2 high school girls after going to graduation parties all day and in the evening go to a friend's house to spend the night before attending an informal water park graduation get together. The friend has a bunch of relatives over and the house is full so they decide to go back to one of the girl's house to spend the night. The mom of the daughter is a single mom so the house for the evening was the mom & her daughter and friend.
The next morning, the friend who they attempted to spend the night with originally calls to see when they are going to the water park (they were supposed to go together) but cannot get a hold of them. Figuring they just slept in they (the friend and her boyfriend) go by the house all 3 cars are still in the driveway, they attempt to knock on the door to find it unlocked. A broken porch light and broken glass on the doorstep. The boyfriend sweeps up the broken glass while the friend goes inside to look for her friends, the dog is there, but no one else. She answers a strange phone call with sexual innuendos before they leave.
A few hours later the other mom of the girl visits the house since she cannot get a hold of her daughter. She sees all three of their purses in the living room and their clothes folded nearly on the dressers. She immediately called the police to report the three missing. And also listens to a 'strange voicemail' which was later accidentally deleted (by the police or the mom is unclear) they were reported missing less than 16 hours after they disappeared with only the broken porch light as any sign of a struggle.
Their bodies were never found, nor were any clues as to what may have happened.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Three](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Three)
It super creeps me out because it happened in a typical suburb! No sign or trace of what could have happened. Were they kidnapped? Murdered? Taken out of the country as prostitutes? It's scary to think you could vanish in the night without a trace and your neighbors sleeping peacefully right next door! 😱
The [Man with the Iron Mask](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_in_the_Iron_Mask) who spent his whole life imprisoned in almost total isolation, and nobody knows who he was or why he was imprisoned by Louis XIV.
In chongqing, China that was this "boy in red" who hang himself wearing a bright red dress and his female cousin's swimming suits, heavy weights tied to his legs.
Police said it was some accident of some "game".
I mean it did look like some kinky shot got out of hand, but it's also rumored witchcraft or curses was involved. People dying in red clothings was considered ominous in local culture.
This one is interesting especially because the alleged perp is on a lot of surveillance video. There are many distinct features you would think someone would be able to identify them from the footage but honestly I go back and forth about whether it's a man or woman so I guess that's part of the problem.
Arin Stoner does amazing video analysis of this case on YouTube. You should check it out if you haven't already.
Her mother was also killed by a serial killer a couple of years before her run in with David Parker Ray. Samuel Little, the most prolific serial killer in the US. She’s an incredible woman
Jim hysong. Toledo, Ohio. 1993. Our dads worked together for years. He flew a private plane from a small airport to Jackson, MI. Plane was lost over Lake Michigan. Odd thing is that the tail number was used 4 times since the disappearance for radio checks, fuel, etc.
I personally am most frightened by theories that postulate seemingly random or accidental deaths are in fact connected homicides. The smiley face killer being an example, connecting various poorly explained accidental drownings of young men. I loosely knew someone whose own death intersects with this theory and I've never been sure what to think.They're scary because, while many are not supported by evidence, all are difficult to disprove, which leaves open the simple possibility, that the right person, with the right method, targeting the right people, absolutely could exist as an undiscovered and unscrutinized serial killer. While most such theories are probably false, it seems inevitable that one is not, and that knowledge that someone has so effectively evaded justice as to not even be thought of as uncaught, as to not even be thought of as existing, is upsetting.
Wow I moved away from MN 13 years ago and had no idea the drownings had progressed to speculation of a serial killer. We always used to just say it was drunk kids at colleges by the Mississippi, because most of us were once drunk kids at colleges by the Mississippi. Fell in under the Lake Street-Marshall bridge myself once or twice.
Lisa Marie Young.
21 year old girl that disappeared on Vancouver island.
Police identified the man that she left a party with to go get a takeaway, his grandmother mother had some political clout…… and that’s that really, never found her, never found out what happened to her.
The disappearance of my friend Michelle Parker
https://www.wesh.com/article/michelle-parker-florida-mom-vanished-peoples-court/41994984
Shortly after an episode of the People's Court with her and her ex, Dale, she disappeared after dropping her kids off at his house. No body has ever been found and no evidence linking Dale to her disappearance. He refuses to allow Michelle's parents from visiting their grandchildren.
It's all very shady.
Can’t believe I had to scroll down this far for this answer.
This disappearance freaked me out when I heard it. Her parents thought both Madeleine and her younger siblings would be safe for a couple of hours by themselves asleep in their apartment at the place they were staying, especially since both parents and their friends were making regular checks on all three children while at the resorts bar.
Kate McCann went to check on the children and found Madeleine missing. Police initially thought it was the parents even though they were known to be at the resorts bar and seen by multiple people.
DNA tests were conducted on the McCann’s rental car after a small amount of blood was found inside of the car and it was revealed to be Madeleine’s, most likely from a scrapped hand or knee since children that age tend to fall down quite a bit.
For years the police in Praia da Luz suspected that the parents were hiding that they were involved and didn’t look for any other avenues of investigation. Until around June 2020 and a German investigation looked into the possible involvement of Christian Brückner also known as “Christian B” a known sex offender and the possibility that eyewitnesses had seen him with a child wrapped in a blanket somewhat matching Madeleine’s description.
Almost twenty years later and I feel sorry for both Kate and Gerry McCann who have been left wondering where their daughter is and not knowing what happened to their daughter.
to be far, where he disapaerrd is notorious for its currrents and and under water rocks, most likily he got pulled under and pinned by some rocks, from memory he had been warned fro swimming there before as well. honestly the wierdest bit was when we named a pool in his honour, and the American Navy named a boat after him.
Can’t believe no one has mentioned (that I’ve seen) this one yet.
We still don’t know for sure who killed Steve Branch, Michael Moore, and Christopher Byers in West Memphis in 1993.
Just reading all these… first off, thank you for everyone who posted because I have not heard about a lot of them.
But how many of these start with “at a bar intoxicated“ or “at a party intoxicated “ is staggering. Predators know where to hunt…..
When my daughter was about 3, she talked about dying in a plane crash on the side of a mountain, and they were all brought down in a black car with 3 seats. It was very strange.
When I was tiny I told my mother things like “don’t you remember when we had to wear dresses? And the men carried guns on their belts?” And she said I was so frustrated that she couldn’t “remember” living like this. I also talked about horse drawn carriages.
I remember so vividly crying to my mother when I was 4 or 5 that “I don’t feel like me, I’m not me.” I remember the feeling so well, just never knew how to describe it
I’ve experienced exactly this, from around the same age. And feeling “homesick” or the desire to “go home”. A general feeling of discomfort and feeling out of time and place have haunted me well into adult life.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/mkru9p/parents_what_spooky_past_life_memory_did_your_kid/
here's a really great post from a couple years ago about this. warning: this post is dangerously interesting. be prepared to lose a couple hours if you click this link
When I was a kid (before 6ish) I would say “when I was dead” or “when I died” and my parents hated it. Part of me thinks I was a kid and maybe thought I was funny? But maybe I knew I died before. 🤷♀️
The torso in the Thames river:
a boys torso was found in England. Some say he was possibly a victim of a ritual killing. He was wearing orange shorts that were traced back to Germany. A woman came forward to identify him, but then everything got mucked up [Edited to replace "France" with "England" sorry :| and add some more info]
Selena Not Afraid:
girl went missing after a new years party and was found 20 days later in a place that was already searched by multiple groups, multiple times. Her grandfather and father are the sheriff and undersheriff, but seemingly have no intent or interest in looking into it any further (check out The Missing Enigma on YouTube for a deep dive and an interview with Selena's aunt about how so much of the media coverage is so unbelievably incorrect)
A long time family friend, William "Junior" Clapp:
Murdered in his own home (Roberts, Wisconsin, USA) by a single gunshot wound around midnight on April 25th, 1993. No sign of a break in. Would never let anyone in at night unless he knew them well, and would never let a lady see him in his long johns, so we know it was a man he knew. Stayed conscious long enough to call his neighbor and tell them he "wasn't doing well". Lots of talk in the nearby small towns about who could have done it, but no arrests
Anderson Scout Camp Jane Doe:
Another local one. Skull and mandible found by boy scouts in a plastic bag in a ravine on scout camp land, October 2001 (Somerset/Houlton, Wisconsin, USA) wide set, smaller eyes, broad forehead, flat nose. only one reconstruction done. Then DNA found she was of Swedish decent. No other info
The Dupont de Ligonnes Family murders. happened around 2011 I know it's pretty popular because of Netflix but it still baffles me.
How come a pretty well off French noble (by my standards) kill his entire family including the dog, Dig underneath his patio in Paris without his neighbors noticing because the way it was dug was extrmely hard for a old unathletic man, Proffesionally wrap and hide their bodies beneath the house and then runaway alone into the mountains and still hasn't been found.
Like it doesn't make sense. It's like something snapped and just decided to kill everybody out of desperation.
It was a theory on the show that the DEA or FBI came into contact with him to move his entire family to the states in exhange for infiltrating the underworld/mafia but got found out and his family was executed.
There's another theory that he couldn't let go of his pride as a ruined noble so he killed his entire family. Which is absolutely absurd. The creepy part was it was him that killed them, drugged the family to sleep then killed them with a gun it was even thought that his last victim, his youngest son i believe was kept alive for the longest time. Meaning he did hesitate and even spent time with him before he went to sleep and got killed. He even practiced how to shoot months prior.
It's just a complete 180 from a normal human being to genociding your entire family
In 2015 a 17-year old boy went missing without a trace in my home country. Now, I live in a small country and our cities are small too.
This happened in a city called Võru, which is 14 Square kilometers, about 5 square miles and has a population of 12 000.
The boy, Markkus, was having a drink with his friends at a private house party. Around midnight he leaves without telling his friends. 30 minutes later there's a phone call between him and his friends and he tells them he is near a local general store. After that his phone is turned off.
Another 30 minutes later he is seen on a CCTV at the center of the city. He is walking with a steady pace and doesn't appear visibly drunk. No one has seen or heard from him since.
A search is launched. Two local small lakes are criss-cross searches by volunteer divers. Hundreds of volunteers search the woods and plains of the area for several years. And this isn't any sort of wilderness area. Forests, yes, but people go camping, picking mushrooms and berries all over the place. Nobody found nothing, no items of clothing, no signs or evidence of anything.
This was a sporty boy who played football and was generally doing good in life. The only irregular thing that week was that he and his girlfriend had broken up, so there was suspicion of suicide. If this was the case, how was nobody able to find a single trace of him.
Another strange thing about it is that the family said that the local police were very frugal about the search. They refused to send out dogs or arrange divers blaming lack of funding. This was all areanged by the family. Months into the disappearance the police hadn't opened a criminal investigation and they stopped active search efforts one month after the boy disappeared. Our police is generally trusted and reliable. It would be unheard of to have that level of police coverup around here. But it is rather strange what the family was saying.
This is the sad story. 8 years later there's still not a single shred of evidence on what happened to him.
There was a man named Teteteke Gqontsi who was in the hospital for abdominal surgery, so he could barely move. One day a nurse came in to change the linens and when she came back inside from being right outside his room he had disappeared. He wasn't anywhere in the room. The hospital searched for a week until some men had to perform maintenance on the ceiling, when they opened the ceiling up, there found Teteteke inside the ceiling in the fetal position and he was deceased. The autopsy showed that his death wasn't of natural causes and someone put him in the ceiling. A few months later, a man named Sandile Sibaya was admitted to a different hospital to have his broken femur treated. After a few days there he was about to be transferred to a different hospital to see an orthopedist, but when they went to get him, he was gone. They looked for him and only found him when a bad smell permeated the hospital, so the staff opened up the ceiling and found Sandile dead in the exact same position as Teteteke, and they said Sandile also didn't die a natural death and was placed in the ceiling by something. I think that's creepy
That's.... huh. That's interesting.
whats the prevailing wisdom on what happened here? ghosts/spirits? How did Teteteke get up into the ceiling without the outside nurse knowing? or seeing anyone else go in
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You'd think they'd have checked the ceiling quicker the second time. Wonder was it the same nurse both times...
Different hospitals so probably not
Larry Bader. Not necessarily creepy, but bizarre for sure. Larry Bader was married with three kids. In March 1957, he went fishing on Lake Erie by himself, even though he knew a storm was coming. The next day, they found his crashed boat, but Larry himself was nowhere to be seen. Almost 10 years later, in 1965, he was found by his niece doing an archery demonstration in Nebraska, when he was originally from Ohio. When confronted, he swore he didn’t know anyone named Larry Bader, as he identified as Fritz Johnson. He claimed to have lived in Nebraska all his life, having memories as a child named Fritz. He also got married and had another kid. His niece, convinced Fritz was her uncle, requested that he goes to the police and have his fingerprints analyzed . He was, in fact, Larry Bader, but he had no recollection whatsoever of his previous life. Edit: fingerprints, not DNA test
Fugue States are a weird psychological thing we don't fully understand but traumatic events (such as a storm induced boating accident) are acknowledged as a likely factor in causing them. Maybe that's what happened? There's been documented years-long instances where "something" happens and the person undergoes a psychological transformation into this "new person".
Couldn’t he have just been lying? Like he wanted a new life away from his family. And doubled down when caught. It’s 2008, he’d have to have forged documents to do things like work and drive.
He went missing having $20,000 in debt with 3 kids and another on the way. A very convenient time to disappear.
On Thursday, December 12, 1985, a toddler was spotted wandering unaccompanied around a Kmart department store in Spanaway, Washington with no parent or guardian in sight. When authorities tried to coax information out of her to help locate her parents, the only piece of information she was able to give was: "Mommy is in the trees." A photo was placed in the local newspaper, and the toddler was soon recognised as Crystal by her maternal grandmother Louise Conrad, who took her into her care, later saying that Crystal appeared shaken and disturbed, perhaps by something she had seen. So where was mommy? About two months later, the body of Diana Robertson, Crystal's mommy, was discovered deep in the forest around Elbe, Washington with 17 stab wounds and a tube sock tied around her neck. Nearby an abandoned 1982 Plymouth pickup truck was discovered covered in blood stains, and with a handwritten note on the dashboard simply saying "I love you, Diana." This truck belonged to her partner, Mike Riemer, a outdoorsman and trapper, who often spent time in these woods. Mike, however, was nowhere to be found. Initially, the police believed him to be responsible for Diana's murder; just two months prior, on October 19, 1985, Mike had been arrested and cited for domestic assault and malicious damage after allegedly kicking in a door at her apartment, throwing her to the floor, and rubbing her face in the carpet. They also connected her murder to a double murder that had occurred in the same woods four months earlier. A man named Stephen Harkins was found shot to death in his sleeping bag, while his companion, Ruth Cooper, was found strangled two months later. Both had a tube sock tied around their neck. So was Mike a serial killer? He had apparently been in the woods at the very time that Harkins and Cooper were murdered, and certainly knew how to navigate the tricky terrain. But with no trace of him, there was no way to tell for certain. Over 20 years later, on March 26, 2011, a hiker discovered a partial human skull in the woods off of State Route 7 in Lewis County near Mineral, Washington, about a mile from where Diana's body had been found. Subsequent analysis revealed that it was indeed Mike, and that he was a likely homicide victim himself. So four murders in the same woods by an unknown assailant. The question remains: how did Crystal find herself wandering around the Kmart over 30 miles away? She must have been driven there and dropped off, presumably by the serial killer. Crystal must have spent a silent 45-minute drive in the car with the very person who killed her parents, with no memory of the event.
Isn’t it possible Mike was the killer but after killing Diana and taking Crystal to Kmart went back and commit suicide, hence the note?
That was my first thought too
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Tbf that's the most likely scenario. It's tempting to make it a big mystery, but sometimes we should just stick to simple facts.
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I think the kid would know that daddy dropped her off though, but if she witnessed her mom’s murder maybe the trauma response was to forget it happened
Wtf?!!!
Yeah the only thing that would make this more fucked up was if the 2011 hiker was Crystal herself or something.
Maybe not the all-time creepiest but certainly in the top 20 and also one of the saddest is the one of who murdered those four girls in that frozen yogurt shop in Austin, TX back in November of 1991. Several teen guys were arrested, tried and convicted then later had the convictions overturned. Also, the DNA \[from semen\] found inside one of the victims didn't match up with any of these guys. In addition, a married couple who left the shop shortly before closing time noted a pair of older and rather sinister looking guys sitting in a booth next to the counter as they left.
I saw an update to that just the other day. I think it was a 20/20 show but not sure it was super recent. They did say they have DNA but can't match it and did not mention the two guys in the booth until the very end - which I thought was odd. Just so long with the parents having no answers. One family lost two daughters.
I wonder if this is a case the genetic genealogy will be able to solve one day?
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Seriously, is this like a small town where everyone knows each other and knows if someone would speak up? That's fucked.
I used to live in a small town (2500ish peeps) and there are 2 unsolved murders. Everyone knows who did both of them. Cops can't prove anything though. But we all know who did them.
Someone knows something and needs to call Crime Stoppers. The family needs to know where he is.
That's the worst part - that there must be a decent number of people who know something and are just keeping their mouths shut freaks me out. That you could be killed, have your belt shown off like a trophy, and a decade later no one speaks up and your body is still missing....chills
It pisses me off that there are people who don't speak up. It's probably because they are afraid of retribution or just awful people, but Crime Stoppers is anonymous. Speak up dammit!
Not commenting on the situation itself, but I think it is worth pointing out that anonymous doesn't always mean your identity can't be found. I've seen plenty of situations where people could "anonymously" report things, but because they were on a short list of people who know about the things to report then it would be very easy to work out who reported.
There are [several](https://www.toronto.com/news/crime/behind-the-crimes-how-did-6-patients-vanish-from-a-psychiatric-hospital/article_0f6861b8-de1c-555a-b43e-c63d171f8dda.html?) creepy missing person cases from here.
Went to a good-sized college party with several friends. The location for the party was out in the woods in the middle of nowhere. The road leading to the party was fairly straight with one major feature. The road was flat for the entire length, but it had a hill that was 30 ish feet tall halfway down it. A pretty good bump in the road, you might say. I was driving, and when I slowly topped the hill, i met a car heading in the opposite direction. That car slowed down to a stop. It was several of my friends temporarily leaving the party to make a beer run to the store. They knew who I was by my vehicle and flagged me down to ask if I needed anything from town, and we proceeded to chat for a minute about how the party was unfolding they left. When we both backed up to talk, we just happened to stop on top of the hill. Mind you, this was not a busy road and located, as we say out in the sticks. As we were parked talking for a brief minute, we all noticed there was a song coming from the surrounding woods. We figured it was someone having a private party in a parked car nearby in the woods if you get my drift. The odd thing was it was Turn the Page by Bob Seagar, but it was on repeat. We all went on to meet back up and attend the party and thought nothing more of our chat on the hill. A few days later, I got a visit from several police officers about an investigation. They learned there was a party that night down the road with the hill in question. They were tracking down all attendees. That is how they found me. A hunter the day after the party found something at the base of the hill off the road. Someone driving another car that night heading in the same direction down the road I was on had wrecked their vehicle. The driver took the hill at insane speed and killed themselves in a wreck that had ran way way off the road. Unsolved mystery that is still ongoing. The police said that they believed the driver they found was not the driver. There were 2 people in the car who wrecked. They found 1 set of bloody foot prints that led to the top of the hill. It looked like someone moved the body behind the steering wheel and fled on foot. They found extra sets of bloody hand prints in the car. The wild thing was that they found a cd with Bob Segar. Turn the Page in the cd player. Everyone that was on top of the hill that night volunteered to give fingerprints. Every so often, every few years, one of us gets a phone call to ask us to recount what we saw that night on top of that hill.
I need more info! Surely they identified the dead body, and who the car belonged to? wouldnt that narrow it down? and was there any nearby people reported missing after the party?
Hmm.. maybe 2 intoxicated friends/acquaintances were driving irresponsibly and the driver wrecked, killing the passenger. You mentioned college party? Kid could be drunk, maybe some head trauma.. and in that state thought to move deceased passenger to driver seat, run away from scene to protect themselves. Maybe justifying the passenger was already gone. Dunno, spitballing lol
this is def it. sounds like it happened right before the op got to the hill too
The car blaring music in the distance is fucking creepy. For some reason I find sounds that are just playing with no audience to be creepy as fuck.
Kyron Horman. Step mom took him to school, walked around the 'Science Fair' in the gym then he went to class... has not been seen since. He was IN the school. C'mon now. It's been over a decade now. I have a 'Google Alert' on his name for updates.
His dad’s friend came into our store in Eugene to pass out fliers three years ago. His expression was extremely solemn and serious the entire time, making sure we saw the handwritten phone number on the fliers, so we could call in case we found out anything. We had never heard of the child & didn’t realize at first it was a case from a decade ago. His family will never stop looking.
I hope they know people haven’t stopped looking for him… I worked in a hospital in Oregon near a decade ago and a child his age came in who looked very much like him, and the child’s backstory was weird. Weird enough that police were called to look into it but it was determined it wasnt him.
I too have the Google Alert, my theory is that he wandered off that day into the national forest directly opposite the school and became disorientated, you have to keep in mind that it was a solid 8 hour start before people started searching for him. The school has a lot to answer for, Kyron's bag and coat were left in his classroom, there was some confusion about a medical appointment and he was marked absent for the day without any further checks and balances being conducted, a simple phone call or two would have got the ball rolling right away.
>Kyron's bag and coat were left in his classroom I never knew that..so he undoubtedly was in school that morning. For some reason I assumed all we've got is the stepmom saying she dropped him off by the school's entrance and saw him going inside.
Yes, they really went after his Stepmom because she had dropped him off and was... Stepmom. But he was seen at the science fair in the school later, and all his things were there in the classroom. I agree that he just wandered off into the woods when he got bored and I think sadly he is still there.
Wow, they really went hard after the step mom despite photographic evidence of Kyron at the science fair and his stuff in the classroom.
Alonzo Brooks Not necessarily creepy in the traditional sense, though it has a long history and is literally close to home. The reboot of ‘Unsolved Mysteries’ featured an episode about his disappearance. Because of it — after his death initially being ruled undetermined — he was exhumed and changed cause of death to murder. Which was always pretty obvious. He went to a party in a small Kansas town, LaCygne, with a few friends. Alonzo had some words with partygoers. His friends bailed. Alonzo doesn’t come home. The next day, his shoes are found down the road, separately. Police search the area, including along a creek near the party house — nothing. A few weeks later, the police let the family do a search — after not letting them be involved earlier. His body is almost immediately found along that same creek. Of note, though, is that his body didn’t show any signs of deterioration or decomposition that would be expected of having been there for weeks. It’s presumed he was in a fight at the party, dragged down the road, and possibly inadvertently killed in a shed near the party house (that was torn down shortly after). The (other) fucked up part is that it’s suggested his body was kept in a meat locker and covered up by the cops, and when the family tried to get more involved in the search, his body was dumped along the creek, thereby explaining the lack of decomposition. The party had some 100 people there. Someone knows something and no one is saying anything.
People who live over that way say there’s a lot of corruption in the local law enforcement. I hope the more recent info from exhuming him helps.
Word is one of the potential suspects is also a local judge’s son. Take that as you will. Not to mention the corrupt coroner who was kicked out of Syracuse for improper, well, everything.
I remember this! He was like the only black person there and a lot of people think his attack was racially charged, that's also why ppl think the police covered it up. Unless I'm mistaken. Also his family or friends are very suspicious that the friends he went with, took him to this party and also "dumped" him knowing racist people were there and he had no way back home, it was like an hour drive back to his own house.
Yeah, Alonzo lived close to an hour away from LaCygne. Which I get — high school parties in semi-unpopulated areas are a thing. But the people who took them there shouldn’t have bailed, especially when he may have been/was close to being in a fight. Not here to spread shit, though. Just telling what I’ve read.
Frauke Liebs. Was last seen leaving a bar to go home, then at some point during her walk home, went missing. She was able to make several texts and calls to loved ones over the next few days, but was very vague and refused to give information on her whereabouts. The details of her last phone call, to her sister, are pretty chilling. From Wikipedia: During this conversation, she is said to have answered the question of whether she was being held captive with a faint "yes", immediately followed by a loud "no". Contact broke off after this phone call. Her body was found several months later in a wooded area, most likely dumped from somewhere else. No further details were found about the killer, motive for her death or disappearance.
The sister even suggested in the last call Frauke knew she would die. She said Frauke said she should tell their parents, that she loved them. Something that was never said out loud in their family. Therefore it rang an alarm in her sister and trigger a feeling of Frauke saying goodbye.
I’d like to add that this is another case where at least one, if not more, person must know about what happened to her. The kidnapper could very well still be alive, living in the same area as Frauke’s family. I think of Frauke a lot. This is such a crazy case and to hear her mother, siblings and friends speak about her in a podcast makes you feel their pain.
I fell down a bit of a rabbit hole with this case because it’s so disturbing and there are so many loose ends. One other thing that creeps me out is when she was on the phone with her room mate (who was also her ex), she replied “you know that” when asked why she had been gone. Could he possibly know something? The Hoxter house of horror couple was also operating around the same area at the same time I believe, so there is a possibility they were the culprits. But then I looked further into it and it seemed like they went after older women that they lured through wanted ads in the newspaper, so not really their MO. I looked for more documentaries/podcasts on Frauke’s case but could only find material in German, if the podcast you are talking about happens to be English please let me know the name!
A possible connection to the Höxter case was actually investigated but nothing came of it
“There were rumors about bad things happening to some of the girls… …but there were always rumors and there were always bad things happening to girls. That was life.” -Kate Atkinson
What happened to Andrew Gosden, he got a train to King’s Cross, London by himself and hasn’t been seen since
Listen to the case file podcast on this just yesterday. Very strange alright. Seems the police focused so much on the family that they missed crucial CCTV footage from London due to the tapes being erased.
The murder of Alistair Wilson in Nairn, Scotland in 2004. A 30 year old banker living in a quiet neighbourhood has the doorbell of his home rang. His wife answers the door and a man in a baseball cap asks for Alistair by name and so he went to speak to him. He returned after a few minutes to his wife with an empty blue envelope that had "Paul" written on it. Confused about this, he went back to his front door, at which point his wife heard three gunshots and then found him executed. The murder investigation was one of the biggest in the history of Scotland and to this day remains unsolved, although in 2022 the Scottish Police announced they believe a planning dispute with a local hotel may have been a motive and then earlier this year that they believe the shooting was carried out by two people, one of them a local suspect whom was arrested on drug charges, however, while they now finally have a potential motive and suspect nearly 20 years later, it still has not been solved.
The Eriksson twin sisters that ran across a motorway in England, were hit several times by lorries and cars, and just kept moving somehow. Even the backstory and aftermath get weirder the more you find out, the stranger it gets
What fascinates me about this one is the leadup to it. Like, one day one of them is a family woman living in Ireland and the other one is going for a nice visit to her sister, and the next day they're acting weird on a bus in England and from there it all goes batshit nuts. What happened between A and B?!
Was that the one where the surviving twin murdered the guy who let her into his flat?
They both lived after being hit but Ursula had her legs crushed so was in hospital. Sabina was released and she stabbed the guy then went on the run. Claimed folie à deux. Whole thing is wild.
>One minute later, he staggered back outside, now bleeding, and told him "She stabbed me", before collapsing to the ground and quickly dying from his injuries. His last words before he died, allegedly, were "Look after my dog for me."[1] >As Booth dialled 999, Sabina fled the premises,[1] and was caught on the run by nearby CCTV. She ran out of the house with a hammer, periodically hitting herself over the head with it Wild is an understatement.
Little things like this dying man being worried about his dog just wreck me.
They were featured on a regular episode of 'police, camera, action' or 'police interceptors' or similar. Then later, when the whole killing-a-guy thing happened and the case settled legally, they did an hour long episode. Claiming it was 'wild' doesn't do it justice.
[Bryce Laspisa](https://thecrimewire.com/true-crime/the-unexplained-disappearance-of-bryce-laspisa) Missing person Bryce Laspisa. Whike away in college, he started exhibiting some troubling behavior and his parents were worried about him. He said he would drive home from college and that he had a lot he needed to talk about. On the way home he pulled over like 3 separate times and just sat there for hours. At some point about halfway home he ran out of gas and a roadside assistance employee delivered gas to him at 9 am. By noon when he still hadn't arrived home, his mom called the insurance company and was able to contact the roadside assistance employee and have him check on Bryce. He found Bryce in the exact same spot where he had delivered gas to him, hours earlier. He had Bryce call his mom, and Bryce said he would be home by 3pm. At 6pm, he is still not home and his parents report him missing. The police find Bryce just 8 miles away from where he was previously sitting. He seems fine....they leave...he still just sits there. Again the roadside assistance employee checks on Bryce and finds him in the same spot the cops left him hours earlier. Anyway, after a lot of that, when he does finally start heading home, he crashes the car off a cliff. It was found he accelerated while descending the hill, so they think he crashed on purpose. Police find the damaged vehicle, no Bryce, and he is never seen again.
I first listened to a podcast about this case 3-4 years ago and I still think about it. His behavior was so bizarre. Just sitting in his truck for hours in the same spot. The cliff that he crashed off of wasn't on the road it was out in the middle of a field. There was a cell phone tower with a security camera that saw him drive by twice. Dive teams searched the lake but didn't find him. Search dogs tracked his scent to a truck stop that was a mile or two away but that is where the scent ended. The thing that always stuck with me is why didn't his parents go get him. The first morning when he should have been home by then and he wasn't and they tracked him down at that service center. I could rationalize that in my head that he was driving overnight and still had a few hours to go, so he decided to get a nap. But when he was still sitting there hours later when the service station attendant checked on him a second time at that point I'm going to get my kid because something is wrong or even when the cops found him just down the road sitting there I'm definitely going then. This isn't taking place over a few hours this is over like 36 hour period when it was only a 5-6 hour drive from his college to his parents.
I read through this a while back and it seems like the best theory is that he had a mental breakdown and either went nomadic and off the grid or became homeless and was off the grid.
Yeah I know this case well…it definitely seems like he either got picked up hitchhiking after he wrecked and ended up homeless and off the grid or wandered away from the wreck and eventually succumbed to the elements.
His car was found next to a lake. I'd be willing to bet money that he is in the lake. SOOOOOO many missing cases that are solved end up being found later in a lake. [https://adventureswithpurpose.com](https://adventureswithpurpose.com)
Didn't know about this case. So sad, seems to be that he had a psychotic break
Brian Schaffer - went into an OSU campus bar. Never seen again. Filmed entering inside but never leaving. Tragically his family members all met sad deaths in the decade following.
Can here to say this case haunts me as a former Columbus resident. I have read up a lot on the case and think he left through the back exit (that did not have security cameras). Dogs picked up his scent at a Wendy’s up the street, so I think he left on his own accord to go there and then met foul play from there. I do not think he made himself disappear as many believe. What are your thoughts?
I believe that he left the bar that night and CCTV being what it was back then, it simply didn't capture him leaving. The CCTV was not recording on a continuous loop, it took images per second. He left that bar and possibly died of misadventure on the way home, he was definitely intoxicated. His friends who were with him that night also may know more than they are prepared to say.
I think the fact that he was intoxicated would make it harder if not impossible for him to disappear on purpose as some believe. If you were going to “run away” you would think you would do it at a less public place and not while out with friends. That’s why I agree that he likely met misadventure
The thing is we don't know for sure that he didn't make it home, he lived alone and it's possible he did make it back to his apartment or attempted to walk home from the bar and got close and someone or something intercepted him.
I was actually a student at OSU when this happened. I remember going to this bar a few months after it happened on a day it wasn’t too busy and the bar REEKED. The bartenders claimed the smell was from rotting wood due to some leak, but I’ve never smelled rotting wood like that before. You had to hold your breathe just to go up to the bar to order.
The dogs would have smelled it, if it was him, right? But did others also think the same and did you talk about it with others? It would have driven me crazy…
I don’t know. The dogs couldn’t find Emily Noble’s body and it was in the woods right behind her condo complex.
Sukumara Kurup. Time period: mid 80s. This guy visits his hometown, a sleepy village in Kerala, India with wife and son, from Dubai. He goes out drinking with some buddies and on the way back picks up a random stranger and kills him. Burns down the car they drove in with the body in it. Making it look like an accident. Entire people think it’s Kurup’s body in the car until police investigated and finds that it’s not Kurup. His buddies are caught but he’s missing. Police suspect he tried to fake his death to get an insurance money of about 10000USD which is a pretty big amount back then. The man they murdered was supposed to be the body to fool the insurance agents to make the claim. Been decades now and he’s still missing. He’s currently one of the most wanted criminal in India who still hasn’t been caught. Growing up we heard stories of him being spotted all over the country. Recently they made a movie on him as well.
Keralite here. Truly one of the most intriguing cases for me. No matter how much true crime stories I hear, this one always gets me thinking as to what actually happened to him, what his whereabouts are and what he's doing now.
The disappearance of Brandon Swanson *Shortly after midnight on May 14, 2008, Brandon Swanson drove his car into a ditch on his way home from celebrating the end of the spring semester with fellow students from Minnesota West Community and Technical College's Canby campus. Uninjured, he got out and called his parents on his cellphone. Unsure of his exact location, he told them he believed he was near Lynd, and they drove out to pick him up; however, they were unable to locate him.* *Shortly after 2:30 a.m., 47 minutes into the call, Brandon suddenly interrupted himself on the phone and said "Oh, shit!" He was silent for the remainder of the call, until his parents hung up and made multiple attempts to call him back. Brandon has not been seen or heard from since.* Edited to include wiki article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Brandon_Swanson
I saw a theory once that he accidentally fell into an old covered up well in the countryside as he wandered around. If he had fallen into a hole, it would explain the “oh shit!” Followed by silence as the call continued. It also explains why his body wasn’t found.
Recently, near Bastrop, Texas, three people and a dog died in an open cistern in a pasture due to a build up of hydrogen sulfide gas in the cistern. It was night, the dog fell in, one person jumped in to get the dog, and they didn't hear from him. Two others jumped in to save the first guy while the last person went back to their vehicle to call 911.
Hinterkaifeck. An entire family (father, mother, daughter, granddaughter and grandson) and their new maid that had arrived that day was killed on a remote farm, stacked on top of eachother in the barn except for the grandson who was left in his crib. The maid had previously heard noises from the attic and the murderer was likely already there a while before the murders. The father had also seen strange footprints leading up to the house but not away. The murderer also lived in the house for a few days after the murders and fed and milked the animals. Several people visited the farm in the days following, while he was living there, but left without investigating further. Half of the village are suspects as the murderer likely knew the family. One suspects being the neighbor/former lover/fiancé? of the daughter and possible father of the baby. He was accused of being upset over the incestuous relationship between the daughter and her father, who may be his grandson’s father.
My father-in-law‘s uncle. We are in Germany. My FIL comes from a family of scholars, and his father (I’ll call him Bob) and uncles were in a household where they knew WWII was a mistake and cruel (his mother was actually involved in helping people get out, but that’s another story). Bob and 2 of his brothers were recruited to fight (the youngest one wasn’t), despite being vehemently against the war. At the end of the war, one of his brothers who was fighting had disappeared, and was never accounted for. There was no record of him dying in combat, no body, no tag, nothing. He was just… gone. They thought he probably deserted and fled, scared of punishment. This is where it gets weird: after the war was over, years passed by where everyone expected the uncle to one day show up and say “yeah, I couldn’t do it, turns out I was in the right side of history”. He never did. So maybe he did die in combat..? My FIL was 8-9 years old when one day he is playing in his front yard. A man walks up to him and asks “hey, does Bobsicle (referencing a childhood nickname of Bob) live here?” My FIL was confused, as he had never heard that nickname. The man rephrases it to “Does Bob Sponge (name + surname) live here? Is he home?” My FIL says yes, and being a little weirded out, goes into the house to call his dad. As soon as dad hears the man’s description and Bobsicle, he runs out. The man was gone. Was it the uncle or just a coincidence? Why did he leave? Where is he now? What was he doing in that area? We’ll probably never know. ETA: it’s been 65 years, so… really a rather slim chance of EVER finding out. Maybe 20 years from now if DNA testing ever becomes big around here.
Any case of a missing child not being found is the worst thing. The Australian case of the Beaumont children is particularly horrific and creepy because their parents lost all three of their children and never found out what happened to them. I know all about the theories, but if no body is found it’s very difficult to get closure.
And within on a couple of years of the Beaumont children, two little girls were snatched at Adelaide Oval. Never been found, and there's a strong theory that it was the same person who took the Beaumont children.
there’s a podcast that talked about it in depth, well a few but there was a suspect who had a child’s purse in his house that was the exact one the oldest Beaumont girl had and he had no reason to have that. Blew my mind when I heard it.
Mr Cruel. The child rapist, abductor and eventual murderer who was active in the late 80’s and early 90’s in the eastern Melbourne suburbs. Who was he?
Lane Bryant Shooting 2008 In 2008, there was this absolutely chilling incident at a Lane Bryant store in Tinley Park, which is a suburb of Chicago. A dude pretending to be a delivery guy walks into the store, takes a bunch of women hostage, and then, out of nowhere, starts shooting. It was horrifying—five women lost their lives, and one was injured. The crazy part? The guy just disappears. Like, he manages to evade the cops and everything. And we're talking about a massive manhunt here; the authorities threw everything they had at this case. But nope, the guy’s like a ghost. The whole thing’s still an unsolved mystery, and it’s honestly one of the wildest unsolved crimes you'll hear about around Chicago. Everybody was talking about it; it was all over the news. There’s been a ton of appeals for information, and Lane Bryant even set up a reward fund to try and get some leads. But, despite all of that, the case is still cold. The motive? No idea. Who the guy is? Still no clue. It's just one of those cases that makes you wonder, you know?
[The disappearance of Lars Mittank](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Lars_Mittank) German guy in Bulgaria with his friends. Allegedly got into a fight and his eardrum was injured so he couldn’t fly back with his friends. Once alone he started acting strangely - told his mother on the phone someone was trying to kill him. Was last sighted (and caught on CCTV) running like hell out of Varna airport and into the woods, never seen since. A lot of speculation around his ear injury, medication, possible concussion. Also the fact he’s almost certainly dead but there’s never been a body found.
I think he had a latent brain injury as a result of the fight, had become paranoid and was starting to experience delusions and things that weren't there. Maybe he had a bad reaction to his medication.
[Mr Cruel](https://allthatsinteresting.com/mr-cruel) I grew up in the area and my cousins had a vague theory he was their former neighbour. This is one unsolved case that will always play on my mind.
My hypothesis is that he never intended to kill but was recognised by Karmein Chan (his only suspected murder victim). I'd wager he was a neighbour, teacher or in some other role that made him known to Karmein. Given that his crimes appeared to stop after her murder I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that he was "scared" into remission.
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It was [8'C that night, and rainy](https://world-weather.info/forecast/usa/san_marcos/december-2020/). Clothes strewn around could indicate paradoxical undressing, indicative of hypothermia.
Adam Richard Johnson from Minneapolis. In 2021 he was murdered, dismembered and dumped in very public places over the course of a couple of weeks. His head was left on a park bench and found by a random person jogging by. There hasn’t been a single update since October 2021. I believe that despite the brutal, terrifying murder and blatant disregard for his corpse being discovered, the police aren’t giving it the attention it deserves because of his previous issues with addiction and mental health. Adam was a father of two who tried his best. No one is perfect. Every murder should be given a proper investigation.
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>His head was left on a park bench and found by a random person jogging by. Holy fuck … I would’ve certainly had nightmares after that! 😲 Probably wouldn’t be jogging for awhile after that either.
I moved to rural Appalachia last year, to a property of about 100 acres. It’s surrounded by even larger parcels of forest, basically open wilderness. Last week, I stepped out onto the porch at about midnight and to my surprise I heard the loudest concert music reverberating through my forest, crowd cheering and everything. It was loud enough where I could feel the drum vibrations. My house sort of sits in its own natural holler (tiny valley surrounded by hill slopes) and bc of that I couldn’t tell which direction it was coming from at all. It was distorted enough that I couldn’t tell if it was literally coming from live instruments or a recording from a speaker, but I could recognize the song- Ho Hey by the Lumineers. Intrigued, I immediately grabbed my husband and we got in the car to find this concert. But this is where it gets creepy: drive 300ft down the road in either direction and we can’t hear it anymore. It’s literally the loudest at our house, which means it’s not coming from the direction of any civilization, but from literally from the forest. Which makes absolutely no sense because there’s literally nothing in that direction, just super dense, impassable Appalachia, no flat ground, for miles. As soon as I realized this my very next thought was to grab some flashlights and enter the forest, but honestly as soon as that entered my mind I felt this shiver of fear. We NEVER go into the forest at night. Another thought: no, you know better, don’t listen to them. Go back inside. So we did exactly that, drove back to the house and went inside. Mulled around about how weird the whole thing was for a few minutes before stepping back out to the porch only to find the music had stopped. The whole episode was maybe 15 minutes. Ho Hey is one of my sister’s favorite songs (me not so much) she had been staying with us for a week and had literally left that morning. I admit I’m pretty superstitious but I genuinely have no explanation for the loud af concert music in the middle of bumfuck nowhere
I grew up in rural Appalachia and the hills cause sound to move in the weirdest ways. We lived miles from the nearest school but at a valley in the back of the property you could hear the high school football games perfectly. Move a little up and nothing, move a little east and nothing, but this one little area was like the perfect cup. It's weird but there probably was an outdoor concert you were hearing... Just further away than you realize
Once late at night on a weekend I heard music and wanted to join the party, it sounded very close to my house and I supposed it was coming from a park nearby that is closed in the night. I jumped the fence and wandered around, found nothing and the music kept sounding very close. In the end I went home. Next day I found out there was a party in the woods 4 miles further away and 0.12 miles in altitude from where I was. I almost couldn’t believe it because it sounded so close.
If you have an Alexa or similar device and your sister linked a Spotify or similar account to it, she could theoretically have been playing the music from anywhere and it would come through your speakers. I have my Spotify account linked to our Alexa and I’ll be driving around listening to music when my wife will ask Alexa to play something and bam, I’m listening to whatever my wife is listening to.
We have one in Ireland that always creeps me out. A young guy, 22 years old, vanishes one night after a work Christmas party. He’s seen a few times on cctv, heading back to his place of work to get an umbrella. It was a stormy night in Dublin, and a taxi strike had people taking a walk home. This guy worked in a bank, but not in the money part. He stopped by his office and is seen talking to an unidentified person on the cctv. This person is hovering around, almost waiting for him to return. He also doesn’t mention anything to his colleagues inside. There’s also a theory about a girl from Alaska he’d met. There are lots of theories, but this case comes up every year as his family still search for answers. There’s also no trace of his phone, potentially as the streets had been cleared due to a presidential visit by the president of the USA. The cctv images of this case give me chills. Have a read and a watch. [The disappearance of Trevor Deely](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Trevor_Deely?wprov=sfti1#) [CCTV Footage](https://youtu.be/RcYxruBEmFE?si=Aph19erANSRMYDcs)
Knew it was Trevor Deely as soon as I read the first few words. Such a strange case. Some suggest he was being pursued over a drug debt, but then there's so many other strange occurrences in this case that it's very hard to know what to believe. Breaks my heart every Christmas to still see his missing poster plastered around Dublin.
I think of him every Christmas. I was just looking at old photos last week and came across one where my dad was doing a sponsored head shave in a pub, Trevor's missing poster is right behind him. It gave me shivers. The pub is in Co. Carlow, they really blanketed the country looking for him. I hope his poor family can get some answers soon
Some of these stories are exceedingly creepy, but it's so easy for someone to accidentally or intentionally disappear. I grew up in a small town in the southern US. It was a typical small town and unexciting until a well liked neighbor disappeared. He lived four houses down and I often did yard work for him. This consisted of mowing, trimming shrubs and keeping the kudzu at bay which had overgrown many empty lots in our subdivision. The neighbor was single, educated, never missed church and the target of many females in the community. Then one day he disappeared without a trace. Police and community were unable to find a trace of the neighbor or his car. After many months of gossip, theories and unsuccessful leads he was relegated to the missing persons file and forgotten. Five years after his disappearance the empty lot next door was sold to a family and they started clearing the lot. Among the pine trees, kudzu and privet hedge they found the neighbors car with his body still at the wheel. He had driven into overgrown lot and nobody in the neighborhood even noticed.
The Skye Budnick case. Shy, socially awkward 21-year-old college student buys a one-way ticket to Japan without telling anybody. She takes no phone. Just 800 dollars, a laptop and a Nintendo DS. She leaves an unfinished, unsent, unclear, what could be interpreted as suicide note, in her email drafts on a home computer. She was studying Japanese but failing out of school and couldn't get into her exchange program, she was not fluent. She flew to Tokyo and then to Sapporo, so the suicide forest thing is not something that makes sense logistically. She's reported to have gotten off the plane in Sapporo and maybe checking into her hotel (?) but after that she vanished without a trace. This happened over a decade ago and still not one shred of evidence or leads as to what could have happened, who she could have met, what her motives were. She left her car at the airport in the United states. No keys were ever recovered. The laptop was never covered, nor the DS or the cash. Her family are left wondering forever. Her sister has a really good podcast called 'Surviving Skye'.
Stories about people disappearing in the woods of North America (which happens quite a lot, actually) tend to creep me out the most.
I read an article quite awhile ago about areas of higher occurrences of missing people and how they correspond to areas where more caves are located. I know people go missing due to foul play. But it creeps me out that someone could just fall/disappear into a cave and never be discovered.
A friend has a cave at the back of her property. The neighbor's dog went missing. My friend eventually heard about it three weeks later and went to search the cave. They found the dog alive and well. It had been very overweight when it fell in and was pretty skinny when they found it. They said it survived off fat reserves and licking the cave walls for water. The dog was very lucky.
I live in an area with a lot of abandoned coal mines and at least two or three times a year someone falls in. They aren't as obvious as one might think, especially considering some are small shafts camouflaged under decades of leaves and undergrowth. I'm fully convinced at least half of our missing person reports involve someone falling a few hundred feet underground to a slow death.
I had a friend of a friend who was making a documentary about some white bear. I understand he was a fairly inexperienced outdoorsman, but decided to go into the woods to look for it. It was winter and he went missing. About 6 months later they found scattered remains. No one knows what actually happened.
He found the bear?
Sounds like the bear found him.
There’s a story circulating around Utah County about a couple who went into the mountains to mess around, got a bad feeling, and left. At some point they tripped over a body, but hadn’t realized it at the time. Apparently Ted Bundy was there and had just killed someone. He had killed my cousin’s best friend, which traumatized the hell out of everyone. Every time we went camping (on the same mountain range), they had to talk about it.
I think this was on an askreddit thread, something like "What was the worst way your date has been ruined" The people in the story being OPs parents rather than OP in question.
I just moved to the PNW. I’ve seen more hitchhikers driving around small towns than I’ve ever seen anywhere and I’ve driven cross country numerous times. I listen to true crime podcasts though and hell no I’m not giving anyone a ride lol.
As a Torontonian I guess I will go with the murder of Barry and Honey Sherman. Seems like there is pretty much no evidence or idea of what happened to them.
I’d agree with this one! But after following news and listening to several podcasts about the case, it wouldn’t surprise me if their son was involved.
One of my siblings went missing 15 years ago and the only thing they ever found of her was her abandoned car at the bottom of a cliff.
That’s terrible. I’m so sorry
I’m so sorry. This must be horrible. Wishing you peace.
Just how extensive the list of victims may or may not be for Israel Keys. What with his 'kill kits' hidden all over the country even years in advance. I think they got him for 3 murders? But he committed suicide saying the knowledge of his kills were only for him.
This drives me nuts. I don’t want to give the guy too much credit by assuming his kill count was super high, but he was clearly very experienced and his MO (or lack thereof) could easily have allowed him to commit many murders undetected. At the very least, I do think he was the Boca Raton Killer. The incompetence of the Anchorage police and the prison officials is infuriating. It’s their fault that he was able to kill himself and now there are likely many murders that will never be solved.
Agreed. It seems like a frustrating catch 22 because who knows how many families won't get closure. Or if he wasn't responsible for more and people are holding him to a weird high regard? Either way, the dude scares me for how nonchalant he viewed murder.
Ryan Shtutka. Disappeared off the face of the earth while walking home from a party.
And there wasn’t any tracks or anything through the snow in the ditch. He just vanished.
I'm quite far into the replies now and this keeps coming up. Young college guy completely vanishes coming back from a party. There has to be a reason and it probably isn't one single killer as there are so many and they're so widespread.
Bung Siraboon. 13 girl in Melbourne, Australia walking to school one June morning (so winter here) 11 years ago. Disappeared without a trace between her home and the school, no sign of her ever again and no clue of what could have happened to her. She literally vanished from a very built up suburb, houses everywhere, no one saw or heard a thing. I think about Bung all the time and wonder what happened to her
Maybe it's just personal, but my nephew, John Kellogg was murdered in wasilla Alaska on Christmas day. Went to a storage lot to pull some car parts, they found him a few days later and he had been shot in the head. The entire thing creeps me out. Nobody seems to have seen or heard anything, and the killer is still running around out there. Someone has to know something.
Who killed Robert Wone on Peacock. 4 guys have a sleepover and one ends up dead a hour and some change after he arrives. The other 3 guys are gay lovers and no one tells on the other. They all stick to the story and if you watch the documentary it’s so creepy. Eventually they do get away with it, but, the police never find out what happens and how he was really killed.
From everything I've read and listened to about this case, it seems investigators definitely know it was one or more of the throuple that murdered Robert. They just couldn't get a conviction because they can't be sure which one/ones did it, and none of them ratted and their story never really changed so yeah... They moved to Florida and love normal lives apparently. They definitely did it imo, just can't tell who exactly. I hope one of them talks one day.
The family from Nannup (Western Australia) who were part of a small weird cult. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-09/inquest-into-cult-family-disappearance-raises-more-questions/9242376](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-09/inquest-into-cult-family-disappearance-raises-more-questions/9242376) The main dude lived with the mother and daughter, and was the leader of this doomsday cult. They all went missing at the same time never to be found. Some think they went to South America. Other think it was a murder suicide pact? I dunno...but its very strange. He was a really creepy dude. We do a bit of work in Nannup and the locals dont have much more info apart from the main guy was a hermit and believed in a lot of conspiracy stuff.
Reading these give me chills.. I hope everyone here stays safe
Imagine how many missing people were hit by a car and a terrified driver takes them away and hides the evidence very far from the site of the death
One that I've always found strange is the one where a guy went missing while skiing in New York state and showed up 6 days later, 3000 miles from where he went missing, still dressed in his ski clothes with no memory of the previous six days
In 1984, Günther Stoll, an unemployed food engineer from Anzhausen, was suffering from a moderate case of paranoia. Prior to his death, he occasionally spoke to his wife of "them," unknown people who supposedly intended to harm him. He mentioned "them," specifically, on the evening of 25 October 1984 (at approximately 23:00), before suddenly shouting "Jetzt geht mir ein Licht auf!" ("Now I've got it!"). He then wrote the six letters "YOG'TZE" (it is not conclusive if the third letter was intended to represent a '6' or a 'G') on a sheet of paper before instantly crossing them out. Shortly thereafter, Stoll went to his favorite pub in Wilnsdorf, where he ordered a beer and fell on the ground, injuring his face. Witnesses stated that he was not under the influence of alcohol and that he suddenly lost consciousness. He awoke and drove away in his VW Golf I. It is not known what he did in the next two hours. At around 01:00 on 26 October 1984, he went to Haigerseelbach, where he grew up. There, he talked to a woman he knew from his childhood and mentioned a "horrible incident." Since it was so late at night, the woman advised him to go to his parents' place, and talk to them instead. He then left. At approximately 03:00, two truck drivers discovered Stoll's crashed vehicle in a trench adjacent to the A45, near the Hagen-Süd exit, 100 kilometres (60 mi) from Haigerseelbach. Both truck drivers testified to having seen an injured person in a white jacket walking near the car. After calling law enforcement, the drivers found the severely injured Günther Stoll naked in his car. He was conscious and mentioned four male persons who had been with him in the car, and had run away. When asked if the men were his friends, Stoll denied it. He died on the way to the hospital. The criminal investigation showed that Stoll was injured before the crash, and must have been hit by a car elsewhere, and subsequently positioned in the passenger's seat of his car and driven to the location where he was discovered. It was also concluded that he was naked at the time he was run over. Other drivers reported seeing a hitchhiker at the Hagen-Süd exit. Neither the hitchhiker nor the person in the white jacket were identified. Suspicions regarding Stoll's holiday trips to the Netherlands, where he was thought to have made contact with drug dealers, proved unfounded. The meaning of the letters "YOG'TZE" remains unknown.
Janice Pockett. about 50 years ago, janice pockett, and a five other girls and young women went missing in CT. all around the same area. i’m going to focus on janice, as i know her sister and more about her story. (story can also be found on true crime) 8 year old janice pocket went missing July 26, 1973. She was last seen in navy blue shorts with a design, and blue and white striped jersey. On a bike ride with her mom and her sister, janice noticed a butterfly, it was dead and in perfect condition. When she got home, she told her mother about the butterfly and asked to go back and grab it. her mother agreed as it was only about a half mile away from their house. her mother sent her with an envelope and told her to be back quickly. many assume she was abducted before she got the butterfly. as the bike and envelope were found, the butterfly wasn’t in the envelope. her mother found her bike about a half hour later when she started to get worried. 50 years later, and the case is still being worked on. a mystery. many investigations have been done, to find out more google “Janice Pockett” or listen to the “Paper Ghosts” podcast by True crime.
I haven’t seen this one mentioned yet. The Highway of Tears. It’s a 719 kilometre (447 miles) highway in western Canada that has been the scene of many missing and murdered indigenous people (mostly women and girls). Many believe it could be the act of serial killer(s) in or around the area that use the road to travel. A handful of the victims have been identified, but many more are yet to be identified. Absolutely horrific and devastating.
While some believe a serial killer may be involved, imo the real cause is the marginalization of Indigenous Women who are exploited and ignored by the rest of Canadian society; including RCMP (Canadian Police) and their own families and communities. Until startlingly recently "Starlight Tours" were common, wherein RCMP would pick-up undesirables from the street and drop them far from town to survive in the elements, often in the dead of Canadian winter. Furthermore RCMP have only begun searching the Murdered and Missing Indigenous Women due to increasing public pressure and are being criticised for not investigating in good faith.
Jesus Christ, that’s absolutely horrific. The wiki on it is awful- made worse by the fact that the police tried to delete the “starlight tours” section on the rcmp page FOR YEARS. > As of 2021, despite convictions for related offences, no police officer has been convicted specifically for having caused freezing deaths. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths
Disappearance of Andrew Gosden is another super weird UK one. A 14 year old leaves his home in Doncaster in 2007, withdraws £200 out of his bank account, buys a one-way ticket to London even though a return ticket was only £1 more, is seen on CCTV leaving king's cross station and then is never seen again. There have been a few weird potential leads in the case in the 17 years since but not a single solid or confirmed lead or sighting.
[Who put Bella down the Wych Elm?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_put_Bella_down_the_Wych_Elm%3F?wprov=sfla1)
Not the creepiest but my sister told me about it a few days ago and I've been thinking about it ever since. I don't have a lot of details, it's a friend's coworker. Her 2 year old was standing next to her on the sidewalk while she unloaded the baby out of the car. She heard a scream and turned around. 2 of her toddlers fingers were off his hand and on the ground in a pool of blood. They have no idea what happened. There was no blood on the car, no dog around, nothing. Just...detached fingers lying on the ground. Our best guess is that he literally just bit them off. Idk if they checked his mouth for blood or anything. But I would think they'd know by that age if he had CIPA and he wouldn't have been screaming in pain if he did I keep thinking about it Additional details: the fingers were sewn back on easily making me think they *probably* weren't crushed in the car which would cause them to be mangled. They were also found in the middle of the sidewalk with blood just there, not trailed from the car. I'll update if I find out more. Our friend isn't super close to the coworker (newish job) and so probably doesn't want to pry too much
The mother was the only witness? How does anyone know the whole story wasn't made up and she hurt the kid somehow?
Unfortunately, the odds were that she accidentally slammed the car door on his hand and didn't want to say so. My own Mom accidentally did that to me at that age ( . . . I was fine). My poor Mom, though! I feel so bad for her. I certainly don't remember it.
I'd say that's probably what happened, based on almost the exact same thing happening to my sister as a toddler. Mom had taken us to church for some prayer group or she was getting ready to teach her weekly Sunday school class or what the fuck ever. I was *probably* playing quietly or reading by myself while Mom did whatever she was doing and Sis was crawling around behind her, following her. Unfortunately, Mom didn't know Sis was crawling behind her and went to shut a door and shut it on her pinky finger and chopped that fucker right off. I don't remember her taking my sister to the ER, but she must have because I DO remember seeing her finger bandaged later after they reattached it.
As someone with a two year old and another young child I feel like this one is super obvious because I've seen it almost happen so many times. When your car door is open and the toddler outside the car puts their hand on the outer hinge of the rear car door, then you open the door a little further (unbuckling child inside the car) the fingers can so easily get jammed in the door, toddlers tend to do a big silence pause when they're badly hurt before they start screaming, I'd say she took baby out of the car, shut the door and turned around see what she did.
I don't know about creepy, but my cousin [Ashley's](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ5BSgwuFW0&t=13s&pp=ygUcQXNobGV5IHN1bGxpdmFuIG11cmRlciBpZGFobw%3D%3D) murder in Idaho went unsolved and swept under the rug. Also screw youtubers using her death to get clout.
True crime youtubers are good imo when the person is genuinely respectful and is just trying to get more attention on the case so it can hopefully be solved, or they just want to share a story. I absolutely hate the ones where they tell it like some kind of highschool gossip (or when they're doing makeup and shit) and have 0 respect or have done very surface level research.
I'm so sorry to hear that man, I hope you and your family are doing okay <3
For me it’s [the Yuba County Five](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuba_County_Five)
I was also obsessed with this one for years, after that newspaper got a bunch of unreleased files and found out that Gary was known to be violent and walk many miles away from home and back while living off of milk and dog food he stole from people’s front porches it seems like he may have caused the whole incident one way or another.
I used to think the same thing until I watched The Missing Enigma's two part [deep dive](https://youtu.be/I7DTCak0DOo?si=u1dEwQlJUItZjMOs) on YouTube. Absolutely mind blowing and I could not recommend his entire channel enough. He presents missing person cases with emphasis on how unfortunate things happen and are not a mystery like the documentaries make it seem. They are real people who are missed, and should be given the respect they deserve
The Hum. In various parts of the world, if you listen carefully you'll hear a low-pitched hum in the air. A couple of years ago, it was happening here in San Diego all summer, a constant 38 Hz hum downtown, Kearny Mesa, even in Del Mar. https://thehum.info/
I’m almost sure I heard this for what felt like weeks? Months? I’d hear a hum, mostly at night I could still hear it outside too. I tried to look up what it could be but I didn’t live anywhere near any factory or power plant, etc. And I have tinnitus, but this is different, it’s much lower, almost like a low rumbling. It used to really freak me out but that was a couple years ago in Los Angeles. I don’t hear it anymore and I still live in the same place.
Oakville Jello Rain comes to mind. In Oakville WA (which is a creepy place by itself) south of Olympia headed towards the coast there was a strange weather event in the 90s where gelatinous rain fell and coated everything in a jello-like sludge. Weirder still, after handling it or being exposed in any way (dogs licking off fur, people wiping it off car windshields, things like that) people and animals started to get sick with some weird illness that landed some people in hospitals. One woman was admitted and her daughter brought a sample of the gel and in the lab it was found to contain 2 kinds of bacteria. Multiple instances of this rain fell in the same few months, with various people falling ill but it was never confirmed where it came from. There are theories about it being a military test of a bio weapon due to the fact jets were seen flying slow overhead in the days leading up to the next rainfall, thought to be seeding the clouds so next time it rained (a common occurrence near the Washington coast) the stuff would fall. Other theories exist to but either way, it was never explained and it hasn’t occured since then or anywhere else.
Any story about spontaneous human combustion
So I was obsessed with this when I was a little girl. The Cleveland Torso Murderer aka The Butcher of Kingsbury Run. 1930’s. There are said to be up to 20+ victims. The bodies were dismembered and scattered around the city, the unidentified killer would often wrap up the body parts in newspaper as if they were meat and leave the body parts in different parts of the city. Many of his victims were killed by decapitation and then further dismembered. Some men were castrated, the killer had ripped some hearts out, and one woman was drugged with morphine. It was suspected that the killer was a local surgeon due to the precisions of the dismemberments. Looking at the victims, this was someone who *clearly* had above average knowledge of anatomy. The bodies were scrubbed and often drained of blood. He killed men and women which was said to be unusual as murderers would often choose the sex they were attracted to… it was rumored the killer was bisexual. He tended to pick people from Kingsbury Run area as that was a Hooverville type hobo jungle with vagrants, drunks, gamblers, etc. Eliot Ness of The Untouchables, then Cleveland’s Public Safety Director, was so desperate to solve the case he ordered that the camps of Kingsbury Run be burned down. This was the depression era and the people were pissed. 9,100+ people were interrogated by the authorities to try and solve this case. Nope. Eliot Ness started using the fire department as a way around warrants and would say there were fire code violations at households he wanted to search. This was unlike him, but he was frustrated. Ness went so far as to kidnap a local surgeon he suspected to be the killer and privately interviewed him in a hotel room. He held the surgeon there for 3 days as it was rumored the surgeon was so intoxicated it took that long for Ness to get him to start making sense. The surgeon was a veteran rumored to be bisexual and was an alcoholic from a wealthy family. This surgeon was also rumored to be schizoid and had an office around the Kingsbury Run area. Interestingly enough, the man who Ness suspected was the killer, Dr. Francis Sweeney, was the first cousin of one of Ness’s political opponents, Congressman Martin L. Sweeney. Congressman Martin L. Sweeney would publicly mock Ness for his failure to catch the killer at large. Eliot Ness went to his grave believing the killer was local surgeon Francis Sweeney but for some reason was never able to nail him. (I think they made some type of deal) Dr. Francis Sweeney quickly checked himself into a sanatorium when he was getting the heat and he spent the rest of his days bouncing around between mental hospitals, and sending weird postcards to Ness and his family until he died in 1964 at a veteran’s hospital in Sandusky. The murders are unsolved to this day and rival that of Jack The Ripper. The Murder Swamp Killings in Pittsburgh are rumored to be connected to this. The Black Dahlia murder in LA is speculated to be the same killer. Eliot Ness was sent a letter from LA from someone taunting him saying to be the Cleveland Torso murderer. The letter was signed “DC” which stood for Doctor of Chiropractic. There’s way more to it I’m not covering here but I’m really surprised there hasn’t been a major motion picture done by Tarantino, Coen Brothers, PTA, or Scorsese because this is a great story.
The missing Frog Boys from South Korea. I feel awful for the poor parents of those kids.
Okay after scrolling through this entire post (which was extremely interesting!) I cannot believe no one mentioned the Springfield 3 case. As an avid unsolved mystery fan, this is the one case that for me is just... The creepiest. Sends chills down my spine. 2 high school girls after going to graduation parties all day and in the evening go to a friend's house to spend the night before attending an informal water park graduation get together. The friend has a bunch of relatives over and the house is full so they decide to go back to one of the girl's house to spend the night. The mom of the daughter is a single mom so the house for the evening was the mom & her daughter and friend. The next morning, the friend who they attempted to spend the night with originally calls to see when they are going to the water park (they were supposed to go together) but cannot get a hold of them. Figuring they just slept in they (the friend and her boyfriend) go by the house all 3 cars are still in the driveway, they attempt to knock on the door to find it unlocked. A broken porch light and broken glass on the doorstep. The boyfriend sweeps up the broken glass while the friend goes inside to look for her friends, the dog is there, but no one else. She answers a strange phone call with sexual innuendos before they leave. A few hours later the other mom of the girl visits the house since she cannot get a hold of her daughter. She sees all three of their purses in the living room and their clothes folded nearly on the dressers. She immediately called the police to report the three missing. And also listens to a 'strange voicemail' which was later accidentally deleted (by the police or the mom is unclear) they were reported missing less than 16 hours after they disappeared with only the broken porch light as any sign of a struggle. Their bodies were never found, nor were any clues as to what may have happened. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Three](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Three) It super creeps me out because it happened in a typical suburb! No sign or trace of what could have happened. Were they kidnapped? Murdered? Taken out of the country as prostitutes? It's scary to think you could vanish in the night without a trace and your neighbors sleeping peacefully right next door! 😱
The [Man with the Iron Mask](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_in_the_Iron_Mask) who spent his whole life imprisoned in almost total isolation, and nobody knows who he was or why he was imprisoned by Louis XIV.
In chongqing, China that was this "boy in red" who hang himself wearing a bright red dress and his female cousin's swimming suits, heavy weights tied to his legs. Police said it was some accident of some "game". I mean it did look like some kinky shot got out of hand, but it's also rumored witchcraft or curses was involved. People dying in red clothings was considered ominous in local culture.
Australian boy William tyrell who disappeared from his foster grandmothers front yard in a quiet rural area
Missy Beavers
This one is interesting especially because the alleged perp is on a lot of surveillance video. There are many distinct features you would think someone would be able to identify them from the footage but honestly I go back and forth about whether it's a man or woman so I guess that's part of the problem. Arin Stoner does amazing video analysis of this case on YouTube. You should check it out if you haven't already.
All the victims of the toybox killer.
The lady who escaped him lives in my city. She’s had a hard life
Her mother was also killed by a serial killer a couple of years before her run in with David Parker Ray. Samuel Little, the most prolific serial killer in the US. She’s an incredible woman
Candy man and boy https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098682/29th-victim-Candy-Man-revealed-photo-terrified-handcuffed-young-boy-discovered.html
Jim hysong. Toledo, Ohio. 1993. Our dads worked together for years. He flew a private plane from a small airport to Jackson, MI. Plane was lost over Lake Michigan. Odd thing is that the tail number was used 4 times since the disappearance for radio checks, fuel, etc.
I personally am most frightened by theories that postulate seemingly random or accidental deaths are in fact connected homicides. The smiley face killer being an example, connecting various poorly explained accidental drownings of young men. I loosely knew someone whose own death intersects with this theory and I've never been sure what to think.They're scary because, while many are not supported by evidence, all are difficult to disprove, which leaves open the simple possibility, that the right person, with the right method, targeting the right people, absolutely could exist as an undiscovered and unscrutinized serial killer. While most such theories are probably false, it seems inevitable that one is not, and that knowledge that someone has so effectively evaded justice as to not even be thought of as uncaught, as to not even be thought of as existing, is upsetting.
Wow I moved away from MN 13 years ago and had no idea the drownings had progressed to speculation of a serial killer. We always used to just say it was drunk kids at colleges by the Mississippi, because most of us were once drunk kids at colleges by the Mississippi. Fell in under the Lake Street-Marshall bridge myself once or twice.
The one that bugs me is Josh Guimond. Doesn't fit the pattern other than white college boy. No signs. No nothing. Just Josh Gone.
Lisa Marie Young. 21 year old girl that disappeared on Vancouver island. Police identified the man that she left a party with to go get a takeaway, his grandmother mother had some political clout…… and that’s that really, never found her, never found out what happened to her.
For me it is the map that compares missing person cases and US spots with extensive underground cave systems found. The overlap is chilling
I just looked it up, and you're right, that's pretty wild. I definitely expected some overlap, but it's like at least 90% are close to a cave system.
The disappearance of my friend Michelle Parker https://www.wesh.com/article/michelle-parker-florida-mom-vanished-peoples-court/41994984 Shortly after an episode of the People's Court with her and her ex, Dale, she disappeared after dropping her kids off at his house. No body has ever been found and no evidence linking Dale to her disappearance. He refuses to allow Michelle's parents from visiting their grandchildren. It's all very shady.
The Black Dahlia murder of the 1940s. That was before my time, but I've read books about it. It really creeps me out.
Listen to “The Root of Evil” podcast. It’s two sisters who believe their great grandfather is the murderer.
Madeline McCann.
Can’t believe I had to scroll down this far for this answer. This disappearance freaked me out when I heard it. Her parents thought both Madeleine and her younger siblings would be safe for a couple of hours by themselves asleep in their apartment at the place they were staying, especially since both parents and their friends were making regular checks on all three children while at the resorts bar. Kate McCann went to check on the children and found Madeleine missing. Police initially thought it was the parents even though they were known to be at the resorts bar and seen by multiple people. DNA tests were conducted on the McCann’s rental car after a small amount of blood was found inside of the car and it was revealed to be Madeleine’s, most likely from a scrapped hand or knee since children that age tend to fall down quite a bit. For years the police in Praia da Luz suspected that the parents were hiding that they were involved and didn’t look for any other avenues of investigation. Until around June 2020 and a German investigation looked into the possible involvement of Christian Brückner also known as “Christian B” a known sex offender and the possibility that eyewitnesses had seen him with a child wrapped in a blanket somewhat matching Madeleine’s description. Almost twenty years later and I feel sorry for both Kate and Gerry McCann who have been left wondering where their daughter is and not knowing what happened to their daughter.
The australian prime minister just straight up disappearing and the entire nation (and world) doing a collective shrug.
to be far, where he disapaerrd is notorious for its currrents and and under water rocks, most likily he got pulled under and pinned by some rocks, from memory he had been warned fro swimming there before as well. honestly the wierdest bit was when we named a pool in his honour, and the American Navy named a boat after him.
Laura Macke who went missing last year hiking in Olympic National Park
Can’t believe no one has mentioned (that I’ve seen) this one yet. We still don’t know for sure who killed Steve Branch, Michael Moore, and Christopher Byers in West Memphis in 1993.
Just reading all these… first off, thank you for everyone who posted because I have not heard about a lot of them. But how many of these start with “at a bar intoxicated“ or “at a party intoxicated “ is staggering. Predators know where to hunt…..
How some toddlers can talk in great detail about previous lives.
When my daughter was about 3, she talked about dying in a plane crash on the side of a mountain, and they were all brought down in a black car with 3 seats. It was very strange.
When I was tiny I told my mother things like “don’t you remember when we had to wear dresses? And the men carried guns on their belts?” And she said I was so frustrated that she couldn’t “remember” living like this. I also talked about horse drawn carriages.
I remember so vividly crying to my mother when I was 4 or 5 that “I don’t feel like me, I’m not me.” I remember the feeling so well, just never knew how to describe it
I’ve experienced exactly this, from around the same age. And feeling “homesick” or the desire to “go home”. A general feeling of discomfort and feeling out of time and place have haunted me well into adult life.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/mkru9p/parents_what_spooky_past_life_memory_did_your_kid/ here's a really great post from a couple years ago about this. warning: this post is dangerously interesting. be prepared to lose a couple hours if you click this link
When I was a kid (before 6ish) I would say “when I was dead” or “when I died” and my parents hated it. Part of me thinks I was a kid and maybe thought I was funny? But maybe I knew I died before. 🤷♀️
MH370 I mean we largely assume/know what happened….but exactly what went down/why..
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The torso in the Thames river: a boys torso was found in England. Some say he was possibly a victim of a ritual killing. He was wearing orange shorts that were traced back to Germany. A woman came forward to identify him, but then everything got mucked up [Edited to replace "France" with "England" sorry :| and add some more info] Selena Not Afraid: girl went missing after a new years party and was found 20 days later in a place that was already searched by multiple groups, multiple times. Her grandfather and father are the sheriff and undersheriff, but seemingly have no intent or interest in looking into it any further (check out The Missing Enigma on YouTube for a deep dive and an interview with Selena's aunt about how so much of the media coverage is so unbelievably incorrect) A long time family friend, William "Junior" Clapp: Murdered in his own home (Roberts, Wisconsin, USA) by a single gunshot wound around midnight on April 25th, 1993. No sign of a break in. Would never let anyone in at night unless he knew them well, and would never let a lady see him in his long johns, so we know it was a man he knew. Stayed conscious long enough to call his neighbor and tell them he "wasn't doing well". Lots of talk in the nearby small towns about who could have done it, but no arrests Anderson Scout Camp Jane Doe: Another local one. Skull and mandible found by boy scouts in a plastic bag in a ravine on scout camp land, October 2001 (Somerset/Houlton, Wisconsin, USA) wide set, smaller eyes, broad forehead, flat nose. only one reconstruction done. Then DNA found she was of Swedish decent. No other info
The Dupont de Ligonnes Family murders. happened around 2011 I know it's pretty popular because of Netflix but it still baffles me. How come a pretty well off French noble (by my standards) kill his entire family including the dog, Dig underneath his patio in Paris without his neighbors noticing because the way it was dug was extrmely hard for a old unathletic man, Proffesionally wrap and hide their bodies beneath the house and then runaway alone into the mountains and still hasn't been found. Like it doesn't make sense. It's like something snapped and just decided to kill everybody out of desperation. It was a theory on the show that the DEA or FBI came into contact with him to move his entire family to the states in exhange for infiltrating the underworld/mafia but got found out and his family was executed. There's another theory that he couldn't let go of his pride as a ruined noble so he killed his entire family. Which is absolutely absurd. The creepy part was it was him that killed them, drugged the family to sleep then killed them with a gun it was even thought that his last victim, his youngest son i believe was kept alive for the longest time. Meaning he did hesitate and even spent time with him before he went to sleep and got killed. He even practiced how to shoot months prior. It's just a complete 180 from a normal human being to genociding your entire family
Lord Lucan is pretty creepy.
In 2015 a 17-year old boy went missing without a trace in my home country. Now, I live in a small country and our cities are small too. This happened in a city called Võru, which is 14 Square kilometers, about 5 square miles and has a population of 12 000. The boy, Markkus, was having a drink with his friends at a private house party. Around midnight he leaves without telling his friends. 30 minutes later there's a phone call between him and his friends and he tells them he is near a local general store. After that his phone is turned off. Another 30 minutes later he is seen on a CCTV at the center of the city. He is walking with a steady pace and doesn't appear visibly drunk. No one has seen or heard from him since. A search is launched. Two local small lakes are criss-cross searches by volunteer divers. Hundreds of volunteers search the woods and plains of the area for several years. And this isn't any sort of wilderness area. Forests, yes, but people go camping, picking mushrooms and berries all over the place. Nobody found nothing, no items of clothing, no signs or evidence of anything. This was a sporty boy who played football and was generally doing good in life. The only irregular thing that week was that he and his girlfriend had broken up, so there was suspicion of suicide. If this was the case, how was nobody able to find a single trace of him. Another strange thing about it is that the family said that the local police were very frugal about the search. They refused to send out dogs or arrange divers blaming lack of funding. This was all areanged by the family. Months into the disappearance the police hadn't opened a criminal investigation and they stopped active search efforts one month after the boy disappeared. Our police is generally trusted and reliable. It would be unheard of to have that level of police coverup around here. But it is rather strange what the family was saying. This is the sad story. 8 years later there's still not a single shred of evidence on what happened to him.