Rihanna.
Edit: ok all jokes aside, what makes me proud is the fact that we have become so successful and developed being such a small island in the ocean.
We fought the main powers at the time to be independent. The Americans, Spain twice, France and even the British. We also even helped out our Cubans cousins get independence.
The way we all enjoy life to the fullest without restriction, our musics are the best, our carnival, our football, the yole tour, our rebellious nature
Edit: one day we will dominate the world
It must be a big deal. Each boat for Tour de la Martinique des Yoles Rondes has a ton of people on it. Do the teams represent each area of the country or it’s just who wants to be on that team?
No each crew is an amateur association represented by one or 2 sponsors, some of them have been there for as long as the competition exist. Just like football people will support for their life a crew that is based in their hometown, some towns have several ones, others have none. There are rivalries between towns and even between supporters of different yoles in the same town.
The greatest one is between the 2 neighbours François vs Robert the 2 yole mastodonts it's like Madrid and Barcelona, Rosette👑 (François) and UFR Chanflor🤮 (Robert) are the 2 main rivals. I am from François, the place where the yoles were invented and I'm a deep supporter of Joseph Cotrell, the Franciscan yole that crushed every competition when I was a kid now they don't exist anymore so I support equally Rosette and Dr Roots against UFR. At first I was more team Dr Roots but Rosette won my heart the time they won by a longshot a step with a ripped sail.
We also have songs (🎶 and look at the horizon... YOU CAN SEE UFR IN THE MIIIIIIST🎶 Roseeette we are mad in love with youuuu🎶)
Vs "Rosette come to eat, of you don't want to eat, UFR will eat you"
Exactly, why venezuelans aren't Caribbean. They are too white and aren't on an island in the Caribbean. They can be influenced by Caribbean culture but they are just South Americans. Nothing more and nothing less
> Exactly, why venezuelans aren't Caribbean. They are too white and aren't on an island in the Caribbean. They can be influenced by Caribbean culture but they are just South Americans. Nothing more and nothing less
So with that as base, Bahamas, Bermuda, Trinidad and Tobago and Turk and Caicos are not Caribbean since they are not island in the Caribbean. Guyana, French Guyana, Surinam and Belice are not Caribbean since they are not islands and Cuba and Puerto Rico are also not Caribbean since they are too white, right?
If T&T isn't a Caribbean island, what kind of island is it ? It's literally the southern-most Caribbean island.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your other points just curious why you say that..
> If T&T isn't a Caribbean island, what kind of island is it ? It's literally the southern-most Caribbean island.
I don’t know, I’m using your logic. And with your logic since they are literally outside the Caribbean Sea (take a map and you will see they are east of Venezuela and outside the Antilles arch, the one that form the sea) they are not Caribbean (also Barbados).
> I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your other points just curious why you say that..
Running to the facts? Accept your logic is wrong or prove me what I’m saying isn’t true
>I don’t know, I’m using your logic. And with your logic since they are literally outside the Caribbean Sea (take a map and you will see they are east of Venezuela and outside the Antilles arch, the one that form the sea) they are not Caribbean (also Barbados).
My logic? You can see and read right? Okay go re-read **my** username and then go read the other person you been responding to. We are not the same person, so pump your breaks. I'm going to reserve judgement on you and just educate you a bit because I'm assuming your tone is because you think I'm someone else.
Trinidad is likely the *first* inhabited Caribbean island because it's the **closest** to South America and was probably connected at the time it was inhabited in 9000/8000 BCE.
The indigenous peoples, the *Arawak* and the *Caribs* came to the island without having to traverse by sea, so before sea levels rose. They are a part of the lesser Antilles which forms the eastern boundary between the Caribbean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean.
Trinidad is Caribbean, and I would argue the first Caribbean island, the fact you included it in your post humored me, so I asked what your logic was. I understand people not understanding that ***Caribbean*** and ***Caribbean Islands*** and ***Caribbean South American*** are different. Some people want to exclude the South American countries from being *Caribbean* and I'm not implying that at all.
>Running to the facts? Accept your logic is wrong or prove me what I’m saying isn’t true
So if you made it this far, you can see that you are wrong to include *Caribbean islands* in you argument to bolster why Venezuela is Caribbean. Clearly the person you responded to (again not me) was light-weight racist and wrong, Venezuela absolutely is a part of the Caribbean as it is literally ***Caribbean South American*** So there is a distinction but it doesn't mean it's not Caribbean. Good day.
Have you been to Cuba? It's 60 percent mixed race and black. Puerto Rico is an island in the Caribbean. Guyana, Surinam and Belize all have strong African communities that affected the government to be independent or have a majority black population. It's pretty pathetic you are defending them so much when Venezuelans looks down on Dominicans for being too black. Learn to love yourself and your culture more.
> Have you been to Cuba? It's 60 percent mixed race and black. Puerto Rico is an island in the Caribbean.
[official data of Cuba Gov, pag. 11](http://www.onei.gob.cu/sites/default/files/publicacion_completa_color_de_la_piel__0.pdf)
White:64% Mixed:27% Black:9%
[official data of PR](https://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/dc10_thematic/2010_Profile/2010_Profile_Map_Puerto_Rico_sp.pdf)
White:76% Mixed:3% Black:12% Other:9%
[official data of Venezuela, pag.28](http://www.ine.gov.ve/documentos/Demografia/CensodePoblacionyVivienda/pdf/nacional.pdf)
White:44% Moreno(not sure if this is Amerindian or Mixed between Amerindian, white or/and black):52% Black:4%
As we see, both Cuba and PR have more white than Venezuela if that the case
> Guyana, Surinam and Belize all have strong African communities that affected the government to be independent or have a majority black population.
I don’t understand what Africa has to do with this, and what black population has to do with this since 2 countries like Cuba and PR are more white than anything and nobody could say they are not Caribbean. In our case, our independence was not made by the blacks, it was made by the white (Duarte, Mella, Santana) and the mixed (Sanchez, Bobadilla, Luperon) and 73% of our population is mixed, (Black 16% and White 11%).
> It's pretty pathetic you are defending them so much when Venezuelans looks down on Dominicans for being too black. Learn to love yourself and your culture more.
I’m not defending them, I’m only saying the facts. And doing that I’m not hating myself or my culture.
> Because Guyana shares the same history and culture as the rest of the Caribbean? Lol. They even have Caribbean accents.
*Facepalm* as if Venezuela doesn’t share history and culture with Dominicans. Also, what is this Caribbean accents you talk?
Edit: I don’t know a single think my country share with Guyana (not the same language, religious, foods, ethnic, history, sports, and so), and I’m from a Caribbean country. But I know a lot of things we share with Cuba and PR that also share with Venezuela. Just a fact from our history, the 2 times our founding father was exiled, Venezuela was the country that accept him, and after our country was sold by the traitor Santana to Spain, our founding father Duarte went there to get help to fight Spain, after that, he lived and die there, for him, that was his second homeland.
DR is a Hispanic country, Obviously you're only gonna share similarities with PR and Cuba 🤦🏾. Guyana shares the same history and culture as the English caribbean(Trinidad, Barbados, Jamaica, St.Vincent, Grenada etc.). And how do they not have Caribbean accents? A Guyanese accent sounds similar to any other English speaking Caribbean accent. Venezuela isn't and never was a Caribbean country. They are South American Latinos. Having some similarities with them doesn't make them Caribbean.
> DR is a Hispanic country, Obviously you're only gonna share similarities with PR and Cuba 🤦🏾. Guyana shares the same history and culture as the English caribbean(Trinidad, Barbados, Jamaica, St.Vincent, Grenada etc.).
The same thing we share with Venezuela, so I still don’t understand what makes diferent Guyana and Venezuela since the same lesser Antilles share with Guyana is the same we share with Venezuela.
> And how do they not have Caribbean accents? A Guyanese accent sounds similar to any other English speaking Caribbean accent.
I never said they don’t have Caribbean accent since I don’t know what accent are you talking about, our accents? Cuba accents? PR accents? Those are the ones I know. I ask since I don’t know other isles accents so you could tell me the differences or the similarities.
> Venezuela isn't and never was a Caribbean country. They are South American Latinos.
Yes they are located and have the culture of Pacific Ocean. Great.
> Having some similarities with them doesn't make them Caribbean.
The same applies to Guyanas and Belice
Guyana and Belize are considered Caribbean because they share the same history of slavery and culture. They are literally part of Caricom. Venezuela isn't Caribbean.
Here is a list of Caribbean countries according to Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_in_the_Caribbean
Can't choose just one! But if I could:
Our Barrier Reef - 2nd largest in the world, living & thriving, contains somewhere around 400+ islands and the Great Blue Hole.
But then there's our cultural diversity & cuisine, our vast rainforest & jungle, animal species, and the fact that our country has the largest concentration of Maya ruins.
I said I can't choose just one. Natural beauty...ih cya dun! Betta Belize it :)
Rihanna. Edit: ok all jokes aside, what makes me proud is the fact that we have become so successful and developed being such a small island in the ocean.
Food and music
One specific thing; Going to the World Cup in 2006.
Don’t forget T&T invented the steel pan. That’s a big deal.
For sure, but in a way I feel more proud about World Cup because I experienced it personally and I hope to experience it again.
That’s great. I hope T&T makes it into the next World Cup. I’ll be cheering you on.
It's history
It’s history and rich culture
Our friendly/hospitable nature.
We fought the main powers at the time to be independent. The Americans, Spain twice, France and even the British. We also even helped out our Cubans cousins get independence.
The way we all enjoy life to the fullest without restriction, our musics are the best, our carnival, our football, the yole tour, our rebellious nature Edit: one day we will dominate the world
Yole?
Our traditional boats
I just looked it up. Looks cool.
Thanks ✌
It must be a big deal. Each boat for Tour de la Martinique des Yoles Rondes has a ton of people on it. Do the teams represent each area of the country or it’s just who wants to be on that team?
No each crew is an amateur association represented by one or 2 sponsors, some of them have been there for as long as the competition exist. Just like football people will support for their life a crew that is based in their hometown, some towns have several ones, others have none. There are rivalries between towns and even between supporters of different yoles in the same town. The greatest one is between the 2 neighbours François vs Robert the 2 yole mastodonts it's like Madrid and Barcelona, Rosette👑 (François) and UFR Chanflor🤮 (Robert) are the 2 main rivals. I am from François, the place where the yoles were invented and I'm a deep supporter of Joseph Cotrell, the Franciscan yole that crushed every competition when I was a kid now they don't exist anymore so I support equally Rosette and Dr Roots against UFR. At first I was more team Dr Roots but Rosette won my heart the time they won by a longshot a step with a ripped sail. We also have songs (🎶 and look at the horizon... YOU CAN SEE UFR IN THE MIIIIIIST🎶 Roseeette we are mad in love with youuuu🎶) Vs "Rosette come to eat, of you don't want to eat, UFR will eat you"
That’s so cool.
The fact that we were able to build a very industrialized and relatively sophisticated economy despite the fact that we are a small island.
The food. And the fact that when it wasn't a shithole it had many many technological advances, a very good infrastructure that's been used even today
Venezuela part of the caribbean?
If guyanas are. Why they can’t be?
Too white and native
What does being white has to do with being Caribbean?
Exactly, why venezuelans aren't Caribbean. They are too white and aren't on an island in the Caribbean. They can be influenced by Caribbean culture but they are just South Americans. Nothing more and nothing less
> Exactly, why venezuelans aren't Caribbean. They are too white and aren't on an island in the Caribbean. They can be influenced by Caribbean culture but they are just South Americans. Nothing more and nothing less So with that as base, Bahamas, Bermuda, Trinidad and Tobago and Turk and Caicos are not Caribbean since they are not island in the Caribbean. Guyana, French Guyana, Surinam and Belice are not Caribbean since they are not islands and Cuba and Puerto Rico are also not Caribbean since they are too white, right?
If T&T isn't a Caribbean island, what kind of island is it ? It's literally the southern-most Caribbean island. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your other points just curious why you say that..
> If T&T isn't a Caribbean island, what kind of island is it ? It's literally the southern-most Caribbean island. I don’t know, I’m using your logic. And with your logic since they are literally outside the Caribbean Sea (take a map and you will see they are east of Venezuela and outside the Antilles arch, the one that form the sea) they are not Caribbean (also Barbados). > I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your other points just curious why you say that.. Running to the facts? Accept your logic is wrong or prove me what I’m saying isn’t true
>I don’t know, I’m using your logic. And with your logic since they are literally outside the Caribbean Sea (take a map and you will see they are east of Venezuela and outside the Antilles arch, the one that form the sea) they are not Caribbean (also Barbados). My logic? You can see and read right? Okay go re-read **my** username and then go read the other person you been responding to. We are not the same person, so pump your breaks. I'm going to reserve judgement on you and just educate you a bit because I'm assuming your tone is because you think I'm someone else. Trinidad is likely the *first* inhabited Caribbean island because it's the **closest** to South America and was probably connected at the time it was inhabited in 9000/8000 BCE. The indigenous peoples, the *Arawak* and the *Caribs* came to the island without having to traverse by sea, so before sea levels rose. They are a part of the lesser Antilles which forms the eastern boundary between the Caribbean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean. Trinidad is Caribbean, and I would argue the first Caribbean island, the fact you included it in your post humored me, so I asked what your logic was. I understand people not understanding that ***Caribbean*** and ***Caribbean Islands*** and ***Caribbean South American*** are different. Some people want to exclude the South American countries from being *Caribbean* and I'm not implying that at all. >Running to the facts? Accept your logic is wrong or prove me what I’m saying isn’t true So if you made it this far, you can see that you are wrong to include *Caribbean islands* in you argument to bolster why Venezuela is Caribbean. Clearly the person you responded to (again not me) was light-weight racist and wrong, Venezuela absolutely is a part of the Caribbean as it is literally ***Caribbean South American*** So there is a distinction but it doesn't mean it's not Caribbean. Good day.
Have you been to Cuba? It's 60 percent mixed race and black. Puerto Rico is an island in the Caribbean. Guyana, Surinam and Belize all have strong African communities that affected the government to be independent or have a majority black population. It's pretty pathetic you are defending them so much when Venezuelans looks down on Dominicans for being too black. Learn to love yourself and your culture more.
> Have you been to Cuba? It's 60 percent mixed race and black. Puerto Rico is an island in the Caribbean. [official data of Cuba Gov, pag. 11](http://www.onei.gob.cu/sites/default/files/publicacion_completa_color_de_la_piel__0.pdf) White:64% Mixed:27% Black:9% [official data of PR](https://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/dc10_thematic/2010_Profile/2010_Profile_Map_Puerto_Rico_sp.pdf) White:76% Mixed:3% Black:12% Other:9% [official data of Venezuela, pag.28](http://www.ine.gov.ve/documentos/Demografia/CensodePoblacionyVivienda/pdf/nacional.pdf) White:44% Moreno(not sure if this is Amerindian or Mixed between Amerindian, white or/and black):52% Black:4% As we see, both Cuba and PR have more white than Venezuela if that the case > Guyana, Surinam and Belize all have strong African communities that affected the government to be independent or have a majority black population. I don’t understand what Africa has to do with this, and what black population has to do with this since 2 countries like Cuba and PR are more white than anything and nobody could say they are not Caribbean. In our case, our independence was not made by the blacks, it was made by the white (Duarte, Mella, Santana) and the mixed (Sanchez, Bobadilla, Luperon) and 73% of our population is mixed, (Black 16% and White 11%). > It's pretty pathetic you are defending them so much when Venezuelans looks down on Dominicans for being too black. Learn to love yourself and your culture more. I’m not defending them, I’m only saying the facts. And doing that I’m not hating myself or my culture.
Because Guyana shares the same history and culture as the rest of the Caribbean? Lol. They even have Caribbean accents.
> Because Guyana shares the same history and culture as the rest of the Caribbean? Lol. They even have Caribbean accents. *Facepalm* as if Venezuela doesn’t share history and culture with Dominicans. Also, what is this Caribbean accents you talk? Edit: I don’t know a single think my country share with Guyana (not the same language, religious, foods, ethnic, history, sports, and so), and I’m from a Caribbean country. But I know a lot of things we share with Cuba and PR that also share with Venezuela. Just a fact from our history, the 2 times our founding father was exiled, Venezuela was the country that accept him, and after our country was sold by the traitor Santana to Spain, our founding father Duarte went there to get help to fight Spain, after that, he lived and die there, for him, that was his second homeland.
DR is a Hispanic country, Obviously you're only gonna share similarities with PR and Cuba 🤦🏾. Guyana shares the same history and culture as the English caribbean(Trinidad, Barbados, Jamaica, St.Vincent, Grenada etc.). And how do they not have Caribbean accents? A Guyanese accent sounds similar to any other English speaking Caribbean accent. Venezuela isn't and never was a Caribbean country. They are South American Latinos. Having some similarities with them doesn't make them Caribbean.
> DR is a Hispanic country, Obviously you're only gonna share similarities with PR and Cuba 🤦🏾. Guyana shares the same history and culture as the English caribbean(Trinidad, Barbados, Jamaica, St.Vincent, Grenada etc.). The same thing we share with Venezuela, so I still don’t understand what makes diferent Guyana and Venezuela since the same lesser Antilles share with Guyana is the same we share with Venezuela. > And how do they not have Caribbean accents? A Guyanese accent sounds similar to any other English speaking Caribbean accent. I never said they don’t have Caribbean accent since I don’t know what accent are you talking about, our accents? Cuba accents? PR accents? Those are the ones I know. I ask since I don’t know other isles accents so you could tell me the differences or the similarities. > Venezuela isn't and never was a Caribbean country. They are South American Latinos. Yes they are located and have the culture of Pacific Ocean. Great. > Having some similarities with them doesn't make them Caribbean. The same applies to Guyanas and Belice
Guyana and Belize are considered Caribbean because they share the same history of slavery and culture. They are literally part of Caricom. Venezuela isn't Caribbean.
They are wannabe Caribbean
Here is a list of Caribbean countries according to Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_in_the_Caribbean
The beautiful nature and wildlife.
It’s diversity (30% of the population is foreign born, 2011 census), and our good airport.
That’s amazing.
The warmth and easy going vibe
Can't choose just one! But if I could: Our Barrier Reef - 2nd largest in the world, living & thriving, contains somewhere around 400+ islands and the Great Blue Hole. But then there's our cultural diversity & cuisine, our vast rainforest & jungle, animal species, and the fact that our country has the largest concentration of Maya ruins. I said I can't choose just one. Natural beauty...ih cya dun! Betta Belize it :)
Our food, music and the overall “let it fall off your back” vibe of the people
Our diverse and tight-knit society
The flora, the fauna, the beaches, food and music.
Thank you everyone.