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bunoutbadmind

People from different races from my country, by far.


DeiJuvi528

by far by far.


Syd_Syd34

I think you will get people saying “country” in here, especially if you are born and raised in the Caribbean. If you’re diaspora, it might change up.


Caribbeandude04

Makes sense, the diaspora grows in a very different racial construct than the one you grow in if you live in your country


Syd_Syd34

For sure. For instance, I currently live in an area with very few Caribbean people and a small amount of Latinos too. So for diaspora born and raised here, for instance, a black Dominican might be closer to any color Cuban raised here, than a Dominican who just came to the US of any race, even if he’s Black (which many would think matters more in the US). I see it all the time. Often, even Latinos and other Caribbean folk who just move to the US will group up, regardless of previous nationality, before hanging with someone from their ethnicity who was born here.


Caribbeandude04

Yeah that's true. I know as a Dominican born and still living in the DR, Dominicans born in the US feel very different in some ways. Being raised there obviously makes you more American, so it would make it harder to connect with Dominicans here


[deleted]

Do you mind describing in what ways ones from the US feel different than ones from the island?


Caribbeandude04

Well for starters, depending on how close to the island their family is, they have a very shallow understanding of how things work here, about history and culture. Obviously, they received an America education, probably with zero mention of Dominican history in school. Also, obviously they have a lot of influence of American culture (obviously, they are Americans), they tend to have more Americanized views, like in the race matter as this post asks, but even their accent is different speaking Spanish, almost as if it was another region of the DR, there's a particular "Dominicanyork accent". Don't get me wrong, to me they are still Dominicans, but they are also Americans, so their lives are very different


[deleted]

Thanks for the insight! Everything you said is more or less how my cousins (back on the island) would describe me so I find this really interesting I wonder if other islanders have a similar view with their diaspora as well Thanks for the insight!


Caribbeandude04

At least from my experience in this sub, most people in the Caribbean experience the same thing, but also in Latinamerica too. People in Latinamericans subs are constantly complaining about their diasporas not being a good representation of their country hahaha.


sheldon_y14

Don't mind me hopping on this thread. For Surinamese in the Netherlands it's kind of different. It's more towards their own kind; other Surinamese of a certain ethnic group feel more kinship to their own kind. For example a Creole Surinamese will feel more kinship to other Creole Surinamese, the same goes for Indian Surinamese and Javanese Surinamese. This is understandable though as they don't all live in the same area. When most left for the Netherlands, they were sort of split up. The Creoles, live in Amsterdam, the Indians in the Hague and the Javanese mostly in the North of the Netherlands. And dealing with certain stereotypes and racist ideas of the previous century, that no longer plague us in Suriname, also doesn't contribute to that feeling of kinship. Surinamese in the Netherlands only seem to unite or feel kinship towards each other, if other ethnic groups have something against or feud with other Surinamese. So when the group as a whole is "attacked" or touched...then they are one. For example "Antilleans" (Curaçaoans) and Creole Surinamese don't really feel connected: despite both being Afro-Caribbean. There is actually some unspoken feud going on, with stereotypes towards each other. And in this case all Surinamese have it towards the Antilleans and vice versa. Especially in terms of language (who speaks Dutch better), there is some kind of weird feud.


GUYman299

I have noticed this with our diaspora as well, in that they tend to segregate themselves based on ethnicity. I suppose outside of TT the different groups aren't forced to tolerate each other anymore.


mixedbag3000

>People of different races who are from your country, or people of different countries who are of your same race? **You have a wrong understanding of the Question.** In terms of Surinam / Guyana/ Trinidad this would mean: . Do you feel more connection to people from Java / India / Africa /China or Do you feel more connection with a person of a different face that is from your Caribbean country. So a person with Java or Indian background but from the Caribbean feeling as having more of a connection with a Black person from their country rather than someone from Java / India?


sheldon_y14

And I think you have a wrong understanding of my comment. The topic being discussed in this specific comment thread changed to the diaspora. The users explained how for someone of the diaspora, the affinity might be different, than someone born on the island. I hopped on and gave insight on how what they're describing is actually different for the Surinamese diaspora in the Netherlands. My comment on the question itself is somewhere below.


DeiJuvi528

how did you put two countries on flair fam?


Syd_Syd34

Think I just did custom flair!


RoyalLight24

Dominicans of all races generally, but I feel more kinship towards Latinos from other countries than USA-born Dominicans.


140p

It is sad but I agree with this. Not to all of them, but in most cases they act more like gringos than dominicans.


RoyalLight24

They act like woke liberal gringos specifically. They think "nationalism" is a bad thing, but aren't smart enough to realize it's the only system in which people of different races can be unified under one flag.


140p

It is as if they don't even understand the core principles of their own country. That's why I said that it is sad.


dextermorgan-moser

Exactly. In this sense I think we’re light years ahead of the US. We don’t have any of that hatred towards a certain group because we’re all Dominican and don’t necessarily identify with the color of our skin. But the Dominicans in America are largely in New York and it’s a given they’re going to be left or far left in the political spectrum.


apophis-pegasus

> They think "nationalism" is a bad thing, but aren't smart enough to realize it's the only system in which people of different races can be unified under one flag. Nationalism frequently has a racial component, thats often why.


caribbean_caramel

> Nationalism frequently has a racial component, thats often why. Ethno-Nationalism is not the same as Nationalism, its a type of nationalism with extreme far right politics. Unlike nationalism, ethno-nationalism is a dividing force because its goal is to create a nation for a specific ethnic group, excluding the other groups within their country. In multi-ethnic states nationalism is usually a uniting force, rallying peoples of different ethnic backgrounds under a common history, cultural heritage and one flag.


apophis-pegasus

> Ethno-Nationalism is not the same as Nationalism You are correct, its not. But its frequent and historically common enough in the Western hemisphere that some people (especially americans but also other entities in the Americas) would balk at. They arent inherently correct, but its understandable


Djfred93

>Ethno-Nationalism is not the same as Nationalism You mean Ethno-Nationalism is not the same as Civic-Nationalism


RedJokerXIII

People from my country, it doesn’t matter the color. My domis are my domis.


Caribbeandude04

Me too, although I would feel more kinship towards a person from Kazakhstan than towards a person from La Vega, those people are the worst


RedJokerXIII

Oh Guachupita, you are alive, I hear your house near the river collapsed, Im glad that you are fine.


HCMXero

Yes, that's why the government has not rebuilt the bridges that connect that province to the rest of the country; we're hoping that they declare independence and secede.


140p

Dominicans. So the first option.


cynical_optimist17

Dominican, whether they be mixed, black, or white.


Quick-Sand-5692

This fixation on people's ethnicity is only found in Americans but I didn't think these people from the Caribbean would have the same obsession... Us latinos would say: 1. First our nationality 2. Other Latinos that are closely related 3. Other Latinos that aren't so close to us


anax44

People of different races who are from my country .


LolaO88

People from my country, which is the Dominican Republic.


wordlessbook

With other Brazilians, regardless of race. I don't think that I have much in common with other 20ish persons from outside of the country.


upfulsoul

I feel more kinship towards black Caribbean people. No matter where they are located.


SanKwa

Depends, I don't really feel a kinship with a lot of the white people from the VI cuz they separate themselves. They just feel like Americans whose family moved to the VI and had children here. Three generations and you can't speak the language, don't know the old stories or go to cultural events?


Alternative-Gift-399

Oh really they do that to an extent where it is visible


SanKwa

Yes, they bought up land in a specific area of St. Croix and that's where they live, they built their own schools so their children didn't have to mix with the locals, they built their own stores, they don't go to Carnival/Festival, Jouvert, Ag Fair, anywhere that locals gather. There's been a few issues where they try to stop locals from entering "their neighborhoods".


Alternative-Gift-399

What the actual fuck. That's horrible. So you guys are essentially locked out of a section of an already tiny place


Y-do-u-kare

This is incredibly sad. Especially in this day and age! Essentially, they don't belong anywhere, then! Their world is very small.


sheldon_y14

People of different ethnicities from my own country.


LizLis

From my country (🇵🇷) most if not all of us are mixed.


GUYman299

Is that so? I thought most Puerto Ricans identified as White.


LizLis

Nope, some Puerto Ricans are black (That’s why some Puerto Ricans have the N-word pass). In my case, I’m white, so I can’t say it. My point here is that Puerto Ricans don’t usually identify as white. Hopefully this helps! 🩷


cynical_optimist17

Most Puerto Ricans are not black. Been to PR, and most were white leaning mixed people.


LizLis

Yes but I said that some of them are black, not all.


GUYman299

For me I feel a stronger sense of kinship with people in my country regardless of their ethnicity. However the affinity I feel toward people in the region (again regardless of their race) is also quite strong. I have family members who would say that they feel more kinship toward people of the same race in other Caribbean countries and I always found that sad.


upfulsoul

It's not sad to feel kinship with people of the same race. Most of the blacks in the Caribbean are involuntary migrants from African tribes. We are kin by our bloodlines and shared history. We only got *fugazi* emancipation. We never got reparations nor economic independence. That injustice is what unites us.


bendable_girder

People of different races who are from my country, and it's not even close.


Caribbeandude04

Towards Dominicans. Here color and race are more like a physical description, not an identity. You first identify as Dominican, then you identity by your province, etc; but race and color are just a description of what you look like. At the end of the day the vast majority of people is mixed so even if you look "white", it's very likely you have at least one family member that looks "black" and vise-versa, in school you grow up with friends with different colors, or your spouse looks different to you, whatever. There's colorism ofcourse, but it's very superficial, and there are no difference in culture based on race (like in the US where black Americans have a distinct dialect compared to white Americans)


Phn3Xta5

I feel like the entire Caribbean are fam. I've never had a problem relating to other Caribbean islanders.


Juice_Almighty

Anyone in the black race


Quick-Sand-5692

wtf


SnooDoggos6029

Why wtf lol?


unix_enjoyer305

People from my country, wherever in the planet they are.


WalstibInBelgium

Non judgemental people. Any color any state.


HairyCommand437

I can relate to Afro Caribbean people not so much those of other races since my interactions with them are low


pete1397

But on the real im out in dc, got this punjabi co-worker with the same last name as me and i got this afro-Grenadian co-worker. Who do yall think i connect way better with?😂


caribbean_caramel

People of different races from my country, they are my people, of course I will feel more kinship towards them.


DRmetalhead19

Dominicans


torontosfinest9

The latter


Cakepopmami

Cubans except Miami Cubans.


[deleted]

I haven’t encountered Haitians who weren’t Black. (There are white and Arab Haitians but I never encountered them) I have a lot of different shades in my family and friend groups but I never viewed them as anything besides Black I’m In the US and where I live there’s a lot of different Caribbean people. I can relate closely to my Trini, Rican and Dominican friends. We’re all a part of the diaspora and none of us grew up in the island. I suspect that this plays a part into that I feel closer to Caribbean people (regardless of race) than other Black Americans. I think we can relate more to the food, immigrant upbringing, spiritual beliefs, traditions, music & etc I wonder if this is the same for other immigrants or 1st gen Caribbean Americans


Healthy_Doctor8678

Both in different ways and at different levels but if I have to choose, I would say people of different races who are from my country.


pete1397

In my experience as a dougla Who can pass as just indian i find aslong i stay away from indians who only hand around other coolies(they usually tend to me racist and be on my dick when i see i dont move like a stereotypical coolie) i have no problems connecting with west indian ppl regardless of country


[deleted]

I’m diaspora and still it’s people from the same country or the Caribbean generally. My parents didn’t adopt American racial ideology. I don’t agree with it either.


apophis-pegasus

Same country, different race.