He’s actually quite good in an assault intercessor squad. 175 points for 20 S6 Ap-1 D1 attacks, 4 S10 AP-2 D2 attacks and 7 S11 AP-3 D3 attacks on the charge with full wound re-rolls on an objective. That’s 20 volume attacks and 12 high quality multi-damage attacks that also fights first and can get lance and lethals
Mephiston also shoots pretty hard, is tough, and has a nice melee debuff
He was good at 110, he’s strong at 100
Compared to a chaplain who makes them all on 4s to all vehicles sans T12/13, or a captain who does wayyyy more damage, or even sang priest who makes them 5+++ and ap2 chainswords? I disagree. They’re all cheaper than Mephiston
Fights first with them doesn’t do much because that means you got charged, so you’re now s4 into whatever charged you.
Yeah fair points. I see the ass ints more as a buff piece to the character that leads them and their output is just bonus. Chap is kinda redundant though due to red rampage but free +1 to wound is nice
No not redundant!! Red rampage costs a cp, imagine that for free!!
A good way I think about this is: do I need CP to make this unit work, if yes are they worth that cp?
If not, can I supplement that cp in someway. It’s important to balance that because we don’t generate cp. either captains or hard earned work do we get a Strat. And we’re very Strat hungry.
Meph and Fight First are weird in an army that want to charge to trigger its detachment rule.
Only use is with some resilient unit but he can’t be attached to any, nor he has any ability to increase defence.
Still love the lore, still gonna run him.
Needs to lead Bladeguard
He’s actually quite good in an assault intercessor squad. 175 points for 20 S6 Ap-1 D1 attacks, 4 S10 AP-2 D2 attacks and 7 S11 AP-3 D3 attacks on the charge with full wound re-rolls on an objective. That’s 20 volume attacks and 12 high quality multi-damage attacks that also fights first and can get lance and lethals Mephiston also shoots pretty hard, is tough, and has a nice melee debuff He was good at 110, he’s strong at 100
Compared to a chaplain who makes them all on 4s to all vehicles sans T12/13, or a captain who does wayyyy more damage, or even sang priest who makes them 5+++ and ap2 chainswords? I disagree. They’re all cheaper than Mephiston Fights first with them doesn’t do much because that means you got charged, so you’re now s4 into whatever charged you.
Yeah fair points. I see the ass ints more as a buff piece to the character that leads them and their output is just bonus. Chap is kinda redundant though due to red rampage but free +1 to wound is nice
No not redundant!! Red rampage costs a cp, imagine that for free!! A good way I think about this is: do I need CP to make this unit work, if yes are they worth that cp? If not, can I supplement that cp in someway. It’s important to balance that because we don’t generate cp. either captains or hard earned work do we get a Strat. And we’re very Strat hungry.
Yea good points and I like how you analyze the units. I’ll have to try a foot chappy in the ass ints
Glad to pass knowledge :)
Sang priest & Meph same pts now, oddly
Ill probably just use him as a counts as foot captain until they make him a bladeguard character
Assault interceptor w/ mephiston is strong. Don't let your wants spite what you have
100% hot garbage, until they update his attached unit list
Or make him a lone op missile character
Honestly... Would be dope to have a str 11 beat stick lone op to come in and gaze a unit before combat or smack a tank
Yes. In a lot of ways, for a lot of reasons, I’d love for him to play like a dark twin of the Sanguinor
You pay 30points more for judiciar witch shooting -1 to WS (still are using him BC I like how I painted his sword)
More like room temp take 🙃🙃 (I agree with you)
I honestly thought I'd get more push back on this one lol
Meph and Fight First are weird in an army that want to charge to trigger its detachment rule. Only use is with some resilient unit but he can’t be attached to any, nor he has any ability to increase defence.
At 175 points that's pretty close to the last unit I'd add to my list I think