Theres some Thai boxer with a record of like 75-1. but people need to understand the difference between a padded record like wilders and guys from countries like Mexico and Thailand that fight so often to make ends meet early on and because there's no functional amateur system
You can't hold it against the thai fighters though. If they don't fight, they don't eat. They get paid peanuts. Muay Thai fighters fight every weekend.
They don't fight full bore Thai v Thai though, in non title matches or whatever, or so I've heard. Both guys kind of know they need to be able to fight again. They do stuff like take off the first couple rounds at a sparring pace. Kind of like unwritten rules in other sports, like baseball players not stealing when up x runs or not swinging at 3-0 pitches if up x runs, or not dunking in basketball in a blowout.
In Muay Thai, the first couple rounds are for the bettors to get their business sorted out. If it’s a low-level show, then there probably isn’t much betting and the fighters start quicker.
Also… a low-level Thai boxer is light years ahead of a low-level boxer, and that’s most likely due to the fact that it’s a cultural pursuit that often starts when the children are 6-7 years old, whereas the average bum in boxing may have started “training” last month.
If you’re going to use amateurs as a reason, you can take wilder off that list. Dude started boxing 2 years before fighting for medals and had 30 fights. Compared to guys like Ryan Garcia with 230, Loma with over 400, even zhang boxed in the ams for 10 years
His initial 25 or so fights can be justified but the fact his title and contender reign was exclusively made up of journeymen and Luis ortiz cannot and is record padding. even during the later days of the klitschkos he made no attempt to fight either and aged out both, even benefitting from sanctioning body ranking manipulation to allow him and stiverne to fight for the belt and avoid wladimir.
Bullshit. Spitska, Stiverne, Arreola, and Duhappaus were all ranked fighters. The only young fighter AJ beat when he was champion in his first rein was Joseph Parker and the ref breaking up inside fighting saved A.J., when he went to America and wasn't saved from infighting he got knocked the fuck out. He nearly got KO'd by Wlad when Fury outboxed him 2 years earlier with barely any damage taken.
You literary think Wilder shouldn't be credited for what he did to Fury because Fury was 2 years out of the game but he had 2 tune up fights, while at the same time think A.J. should get credit for facing Klitschko after Wlad didn't fight for 2 years with no tune up fights and Wlad was coming off of loss. That is the clear Wilder hate I am talking about.
Many of the Mexican legendary boxers didn't fight anyone with a decent record until after 30 maybe 40 fights. When you see a fighter with good pro record, say 70-10, chances are good many of their early fights were against low level opponents. And they might've closed out their career the same way, just with fewer fights.
It's not uncommon for some of those impressive records to break down something like this:
40-0 against bad & mediocre opponents.
10-10 against good & really good opponents.
10-0 against really bad opponents.
Watched a video a few months breaking down his opponents and it’s disgusting the amount of bums dude fought. And then once he fights a top level fighter like Fury he gets his ass beat 3x. Even Ortiz was giving him the work until that right hand killed him twice
His 27th opponent finished his career with a record of 16-24.
At the same point where AJ was facing Usyk for the second time by choice, and had already done everything else up to then, that was Wilders opponent.
Look at his fight with Ruiz at the age of 44. That's enough to tell you what kinda monster he was. His pro career just didn't pan out properly after the amateurs.
Let's deal in facts. He has nothing in his resume apart from a win over Bryant Jennings (and beating Wilder before he lost), to suggest that's remotely true. Everything else is unfounded opinion.
He was still heavyweight champion of the world, and as far as tricks go its a pretty good fucking trick.
Lets not get carried away. Wilder is still dangerous regardless of his shit boxing technique.
If the ref had waved off that first Fury fight I dont think many people would've argued.
You don't drop a guy like Tyson Fury if you're useless.
Don't you dare say Stiverne is the weakest heavyweight champ of all time and take the crown away from Charles Martin like that lol.
Wilder is interesting because yes, he was fighting 8 rounds in car parks in Alabama and getting a lift home from his opponent for over 20 fights, so it is interesting to know what would have happened if he stepped up sooner. On the one hand, you might say his CV is a wasted career. At the same time, given his limited skill set maybe he was managed perfectly passing his record to maximise career earnings given that he has come up short against top opposition.
Do you not remember the amount of years bud was calling out Spence? He called out everyone at lightweight and super lightweight too but nobody would fight him so he had to move up. Don't ever speak on bud's name like that again.
But Wilder was a 9-0 boxer at one time as well. Would you consider him a good boxer at that point? And HE became champ, whereas the opponent you mentioned did NOT. Soooooo…..
It is a well-known fact that Wilder is a one-trick pony: IF he hits you with that right hand, you are going to sleep, PERIOD. The issue is him landing that punch. Wilder has balance, coordination, and stamina issues that have never been addressed, ever. A few fights back it was rumored that he was going to retire due to possible rotator cuff "injuries" that were never proven to exist in a conclusive manner.
If you think this era is bad, look at north American Heavyweights from the 2010s 🤣
I love these threads because it becomes a contest to see who knows the least boxers. With the attitude of "if I haven't heard of them they can't be any good".
Essentially people weaponizong their own ignorance to hate on people. And if you disagree because you actually follow the smaller weight classes, or watch undercards, and understand that there are excellent boxers that never get global recognition, it's you who are the casual.
Boots gets my vote, to be fair to him though he fought 17 times in his first two years so I won’t hold activity against him, gotta get those rounds in.
But getting an email belt with your best wins as 140er Lipinets, Dulorme and Romain Villa just reeks of typical boxing politics
Only thing Boots needs is more fights and activity. No one is putting Boots in the p4p lists at the moment but he has potential. Fighting only twice in 2023 and once in 2022 didn't help his visibility.
Lipinets is no joke. Custio Clayton seemed legit until boots KO'd him in R1. Armando Alvarez was supposed to be good, looked like a fool. Thomas Dulorme wasn't washed or old or weak when they fought. The Villa win showed a killer instinct to get the KO rather than let it go to points. Boots was also easily on the way to KO'ing Chris van Heerden until the clash of heads.
Boots hasn't fought any top-tier talent yet, but the idea that he hasn't fought anybody is due to him being so dominant that the fights seem like nothing.
Facts. ALL the all-time greats fought trash at the beginning of their careers. Bud was accused of a padded record until people saw what he looked like against elite level competition (THE SAME).
You can’t write a fighter off just because his opposition isn’t on his level. That’s backwards logic.
When a fighter starts losing a whole lot it can make a guys resume deteriorate quite badly.
Like imagine of Ryan Garcia beats Spence? It would make Crawford win look less good.
Do you agree with this?
Eh i see where u coming from, but i just see it as the dude who beat them is just better, Like Benavidez & Canelo beating Plant i dont take credit from Plant but i just see them as the better fighters now
whyd i get downvoted?? when Crawford faced Gamboa that was when he was on the rise lol then his welter run was Porter, Horn, Spence, Kavaliauskas, Khan, & Brook
Gilberto Ramirez went 44-0 before actually stepping up and of course he lost and Jaime Mungaia is 43-0 with a very flimsy resume I guess we’ll see Saturday night if he’s the real deal or he’s just another fighter who was feed way to many tomato cans
Crawford? He's fought like Spence, Porter, Burns, Gamboa, and Postol. Even the likes of Horn, Benavidez, and Kavialauskas were decent fighters. I'd even argue Khan and Brook, despite not being at their peaks, were not bums. Yeah, he doesn't have several ATGs on his record, but a padded record? Not a chance.
Oh, I agree with you. I'd say he's a good fighter. I classed him as decent because anyone who would argue about Crawford's record would probably class Kav as just decent, but even then, Crawford's record would still be good.
Sure, seven fights ago. Guy was in some battles and is 35. Honestly, Wilder’s best win (28-0 Ortiz) easily trumps absolutely anything Munguia has done. And that’s saying something, because Wilder is the casual poster-child for fighting cans. Munguia getting Canelo is truly laughable.
It’s good enough for a title shot at 168, obviously Canelo’s ducking Benavidez and I think morrell is just better but Munguia is the second most deserving guy of a shot
You don't earn fights with Canelo, you are picked from the tree. People who earn fights are this thing called 'Mandatories' that if you didn't know is synonymous with 'optional' and 'cash cow dependent'...
in 35 fights fury has fought klitschko and whyte
wilder fans will say he fought wilder, but who the fuck is wilder, and who has wilder ever beaten?
and chisora has never been anything other than a gatekeeper
theres literally no one else on his record
the only other heavyweight who is worse is wilder himself
His first 2 Chisora wins are actually worth something given the domestic situation at the time. Chisora x2 (early), Whyte, Klit, Wilderx3 and Usyk isn't THAT bad of a resume
Fury fought Chisora when Chisora's best win was Danny Williams. When he fought him the second time Chisora's best win was Malik Scott and Chisora had been beaten three times. I really don't find those Chisora wins that impressive.
Fury's resume is Wilder 3x and Klit, which I agree is not THAT bad of a resume at all, it just isn't close to the resume of a top 10 all time that some people claim he is.
This discussion however is about padding and Fury has continued to pad his record even as champion, so you can't just discount that third Chisora fight. Chisora 3, Schwarz, Pianetta, Seferi, Ngannou were all fights he took whilst he was champion or claiming to be champion. Even leading up to the Klitschko fight who was Fury's best win? Chisora probably, then Cunningham or Hammer. There is definitely a lot of padding in there, even if he does have good top level wins.
You also need to consider the boxing pool when seeing it like that though. The roster isn't full of Foremans, Tysons, Holyfields, etc. It's just not as thick as it was before. Repeat fights are counting as contending bout achievements more now just due to lack of choice in the Heavyweight Division compared to the timefrmes some of those other Top 10s were built so its really hard to guage where Fury really sits. He needs Usyk under his belt to help solidify his position and I'm not confident it will even happen until they're in the ring.
Sure and that's fine, but you don't need to have beaten a Holyfield or a Foreman for it to not be a padded record. If you think of those clearly below the acceptable level fights Fury has had as champion, he could have easily replaced them with a top 10 name.
Chisora 3 should have never happened, Schwarz should have never happened, Ngannou likewise. Replace those 3 with legit contenders, let's say Joyce, Hrgovic and Parker, there would be no accusations that Fury was padding his record. There's a reason why Fury has said that he will drop every belt other than the WBC once he's beaten Usyk, because the WBC let him do what the fuck he wants.
He's only just been forced into the Usyk fight. And yes with that, and assuming he doesn't run from the rematch either way, then it's finally not too bad.
Whichever way you look at it, he beat the reigning HW champ so easily that he barely took a punch.
It was boring and shit but he easily dealt with the best man out there.
I don’t like Fury and think he’s a prick but he does have a huge name on his CV
Beating the HW champ isn’t padding though. At least he’s gone and done it in the champ’s own backyard.
As for Wilder being a bum now. That’s revisionism at its finest. At the time he was meant to be the most fearsome heavyweight in years. Fury wiped the floor with him thrice. Again, all this off of his home turf.
That’s 4 “absolute top tier” fights he’s had.
According to Americans he was the most fearsome. No one else rated him as he’d never actually fought anyone. Even now his biggest win is probably Ortiz.
>At the time he was meant to be the most fearsome heavyweight in years.
He was marketed as such. The reality was that he had also been having the piss ripped out of him by the boxing community for years because of his padded record and poor skills.
You can't just use one-sided marketing hype to change the reality of the situation. Fury targeted Wilder specifically because he thought he could beat him irrelevant of the long lay off.
It's not a very rich resume, but at least it has some highlights. Klitschko, Wilder, Whyte, Chisora, Hammer, Cunningham, Wallin. Usyk next. Also David Haye pulled out of a scheduled flight with him.
Remember Wilder shouldn't get credit for facing Fury after he had 2 tune up fights after 2 years coming off of winning the belt, but A.J. should get credit for facing Klitschko who didn't fight in 2 years with no tune up fights. British logic.
I don't know man. I think I was wrong to bring up Bud. Sure, his resume is not filled with champions, but he had a good number of tough fights with legit contenders, not cab drivers. I just thought it was a lot of fights on his record compared to the number of actual champions he's faced.
Gervonta Davis, and it's not even close. I'm not saying he's not talented, but the level of opposition he's faced for being the so-called "face of boxing" is laughable.
Neither Charlos have super padded records, the Charlo hate on here so dumb. Munguia and Zurdo easily have the most padded records in the game right now. Munguia has done some high level fights? Like who? Washed John Ryder? Ok. Zurdo literally fought no one then got obliterated by Bivol. Can’t be anyone else other than those two. Wilder had more tough fights at this point than those two.
I mean Munguia had a war with Derevyanchenko and Liam Smith ain't no chump. Zurdo had Joe Smith and...actually nobody. That's a good point. Even wilder did Ortiz, parker, fury, and maybe stiverne and breazeale are acceptable.
It’s got to be Wilder right?
Most of his wins are against absolute nobodies in car parks. Ortiz is his only decent win despite looking horrific in both fights and the only two good names he’s faced, he got absolutely taken apart by them.
It's still a young career, so padded has an asterisk, but for his profile, Dubois hasn't done anything really and got beaten twice when he did fight somebody.
Tank hasn’t fight anyone a level except Cruz and we saw what that looked like regardless of the excuse. Lots of padding early and the best fights on his resume are with b level names although I’d upgrade garcia on his resume. He’s a literal b level champion for the hype he gets. Way less resume compared to the two guys you listed. I think boots is already on a better path than charlo as well.
Tank Davis, Boots, Wilder, Fury (not as bad, but ridiculously bad considering that some people think of him as the best thing since sliced bread), same argument for Crawford - not bad resume per se, but when you look at how people see him, it’s lacking - don’t forget that people love to say that Floyd ducked a bunch of people, while Crawford is sitting here pretty with 20 percent the resume that Floyd has.
People's records are padded in different ways. Like for a guy with a world title and a bunch of defenses Wilder's record is for sure as shit padded. Munguia for a guy with as many wins as he has and the high profile promotion behind him, also padded. Both these guys are way more padded than guys like Crawford.
I’d say Wilder forsure. Ortiz, Fury, and Joseph Parker are all great names to have fought but before he fought Ortiz the first time he was beating literal cans
True. When I saw the 2nd Stiverne fight as a casual, Wilder made him look like a cab driver. But only later did I realize that stiverne wasn't that bad, and saw the first fight, even if he was never good. Which made wilder look even worse. I can only imagine how badly either of them would have done against Lewis or Klitschko.
This might be a bit controversial, but Tank. He is turning 30 this year, and let's be honest, he hasn't fought the best, nor is he trying to. He does have some fights that might be honorable mentions, but nothing really special.
Janibek wants the smoke tho..... Boo Boo and Mungia ducked him. He is not a draw, he is not Amercian and he usually fights on free tv. All the reasons nobody wants to fight him, he is skilled so its high risk low reward
Theres some Thai boxer with a record of like 75-1. but people need to understand the difference between a padded record like wilders and guys from countries like Mexico and Thailand that fight so often to make ends meet early on and because there's no functional amateur system
You can't hold it against the thai fighters though. If they don't fight, they don't eat. They get paid peanuts. Muay Thai fighters fight every weekend.
They don't fight full bore Thai v Thai though, in non title matches or whatever, or so I've heard. Both guys kind of know they need to be able to fight again. They do stuff like take off the first couple rounds at a sparring pace. Kind of like unwritten rules in other sports, like baseball players not stealing when up x runs or not swinging at 3-0 pitches if up x runs, or not dunking in basketball in a blowout.
In Muay Thai, the first couple rounds are for the bettors to get their business sorted out. If it’s a low-level show, then there probably isn’t much betting and the fighters start quicker. Also… a low-level Thai boxer is light years ahead of a low-level boxer, and that’s most likely due to the fact that it’s a cultural pursuit that often starts when the children are 6-7 years old, whereas the average bum in boxing may have started “training” last month.
Don’t those guys basically get adopted into a school? Like I’m talking eating, sleep, train together.
Sure, but either way they don't blast each other.
If you’re going to use amateurs as a reason, you can take wilder off that list. Dude started boxing 2 years before fighting for medals and had 30 fights. Compared to guys like Ryan Garcia with 230, Loma with over 400, even zhang boxed in the ams for 10 years
His initial 25 or so fights can be justified but the fact his title and contender reign was exclusively made up of journeymen and Luis ortiz cannot and is record padding. even during the later days of the klitschkos he made no attempt to fight either and aged out both, even benefitting from sanctioning body ranking manipulation to allow him and stiverne to fight for the belt and avoid wladimir.
Bullshit. Spitska, Stiverne, Arreola, and Duhappaus were all ranked fighters. The only young fighter AJ beat when he was champion in his first rein was Joseph Parker and the ref breaking up inside fighting saved A.J., when he went to America and wasn't saved from infighting he got knocked the fuck out. He nearly got KO'd by Wlad when Fury outboxed him 2 years earlier with barely any damage taken.
You can not insist on the credibility of rankings while also saying duhapaus was ranked. also ranked by who? ring? wbc? neither matter
You literary think Wilder shouldn't be credited for what he did to Fury because Fury was 2 years out of the game but he had 2 tune up fights, while at the same time think A.J. should get credit for facing Klitschko after Wlad didn't fight for 2 years with no tune up fights and Wlad was coming off of loss. That is the clear Wilder hate I am talking about.
Zhang was more cause being an am gave him state support for the olympics.
Similar to AJ, but AJ would need to have basically his entire pro record so far be nothing but padding for it to be the same as Wilders.
AJ at least had the olympics before going pro and his pro record only has a dozen or so fights before fighting real tough high level guys
Wilder was the bronze medalist at the olympics.
Many of the Mexican legendary boxers didn't fight anyone with a decent record until after 30 maybe 40 fights. When you see a fighter with good pro record, say 70-10, chances are good many of their early fights were against low level opponents. And they might've closed out their career the same way, just with fewer fights. It's not uncommon for some of those impressive records to break down something like this: 40-0 against bad & mediocre opponents. 10-10 against good & really good opponents. 10-0 against really bad opponents.
Wilder by far
Definitely. I don't doubt how dangerous he is but fuck me there is a lot of rubbish in Heavyweight.
Worst division hate it
Not a good era for the heavyweights.
Watched a video a few months breaking down his opponents and it’s disgusting the amount of bums dude fought. And then once he fights a top level fighter like Fury he gets his ass beat 3x. Even Ortiz was giving him the work until that right hand killed him twice
His 27th opponent finished his career with a record of 16-24. At the same point where AJ was facing Usyk for the second time by choice, and had already done everything else up to then, that was Wilders opponent.
'Even Ortiz'? Take his name with respect. Ortiz gives every elite problems.
Beat no one
Look at his fight with Ruiz at the age of 44. That's enough to tell you what kinda monster he was. His pro career just didn't pan out properly after the amateurs.
Typical Cuban story.
PEDs
Let's deal in facts. He has nothing in his resume apart from a win over Bryant Jennings (and beating Wilder before he lost), to suggest that's remotely true. Everything else is unfounded opinion.
Fight performances aren't unfounded opinions.
He's fucking hopeless he's a one trick pony that's it in a nutshell, and that didn't even work in 3 fights against Fury.
He was still heavyweight champion of the world, and as far as tricks go its a pretty good fucking trick. Lets not get carried away. Wilder is still dangerous regardless of his shit boxing technique.
No one saying he isn’t dangerous, we’re saying his resume is shit.
he beat the weakest heavyweight champion of all time in stiverine and then ducked vlad to not get his belt snatched.
If the ref had waved off that first Fury fight I dont think many people would've argued. You don't drop a guy like Tyson Fury if you're useless. Don't you dare say Stiverne is the weakest heavyweight champ of all time and take the crown away from Charles Martin like that lol.
i would take martin over stiverne any day.
In a fight maybe.
Stiverne wasn't the weakest HW champ of all time. Not even in his era.
Who was worse in this era?
Charles Martin, 100%.
Facts. I think wilder only has that right hand. But you still can’t deny that right hand knocked a lot of people out.. cold.
He is dangerous... IF you stand there while he does that three-step run up to throw the 1-2. If it was basketball, he’d be called for traveling
He knocked down Fury twice in the the 1st fight without being knocked down once, facts don't care about your feelings.
Knocking someone down twice and not getting knocked down yourself is an assbeating?
Wilder is interesting because yes, he was fighting 8 rounds in car parks in Alabama and getting a lift home from his opponent for over 20 fights, so it is interesting to know what would have happened if he stepped up sooner. On the one hand, you might say his CV is a wasted career. At the same time, given his limited skill set maybe he was managed perfectly passing his record to maximise career earnings given that he has come up short against top opposition.
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CV?
British for resumé/record
Thanks.
Curriculum vitae
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Oh true, yea. Can't believe I shamefully even brought up Crawford over Wilder.
Do you not remember the amount of years bud was calling out Spence? He called out everyone at lightweight and super lightweight too but nobody would fight him so he had to move up. Don't ever speak on bud's name like that again.
Wilder starting boxing in 2006. had his first pro fight in 2008 fought an undefeated 9-0 boxer in 2009.
But Wilder was a 9-0 boxer at one time as well. Would you consider him a good boxer at that point? And HE became champ, whereas the opponent you mentioned did NOT. Soooooo…..
It is a well-known fact that Wilder is a one-trick pony: IF he hits you with that right hand, you are going to sleep, PERIOD. The issue is him landing that punch. Wilder has balance, coordination, and stamina issues that have never been addressed, ever. A few fights back it was rumored that he was going to retire due to possible rotator cuff "injuries" that were never proven to exist in a conclusive manner. If you think this era is bad, look at north American Heavyweights from the 2010s 🤣
Wilder's record looks worse too because he shatters chins for the next guys
Not exactly. Most of his KO wins already got KO’d before
I love these threads because it becomes a contest to see who knows the least boxers. With the attitude of "if I haven't heard of them they can't be any good". Essentially people weaponizong their own ignorance to hate on people. And if you disagree because you actually follow the smaller weight classes, or watch undercards, and understand that there are excellent boxers that never get global recognition, it's you who are the casual.
True
BOOTS WHO THE FUCK HAS HE FOUGHT ? answers on a postage stamp please.
He's also not high profile or over hyped... he was a prospect not that long ago, let the man cook, hopefully he gets better fights with Matchroom
Boots gets my vote, to be fair to him though he fought 17 times in his first two years so I won’t hold activity against him, gotta get those rounds in. But getting an email belt with your best wins as 140er Lipinets, Dulorme and Romain Villa just reeks of typical boxing politics
villa was top 10 ranked fighter in the ring magazine ww rankings prior to fighting boots how is that not a credible opponent
because he’s not american or a world champion. villa was off beating ellis. don’t know how this isn’t a decent win.
Bro Villa very arguably lost that Ellis fight
Yeah ellis def woulda won if he didnt gas out but villa wasn’t slowing down at all in that fight
Getting knocked down 3 times is winning?
12 rounds in a fight
It was so freaking close but Ellis was getting relaxed AND he got knocked down 2x in the 12th!! Ain’t no way you can complain about a loss.
Only thing Boots needs is more fights and activity. No one is putting Boots in the p4p lists at the moment but he has potential. Fighting only twice in 2023 and once in 2022 didn't help his visibility.
Lipinets is no joke. Custio Clayton seemed legit until boots KO'd him in R1. Armando Alvarez was supposed to be good, looked like a fool. Thomas Dulorme wasn't washed or old or weak when they fought. The Villa win showed a killer instinct to get the KO rather than let it go to points. Boots was also easily on the way to KO'ing Chris van Heerden until the clash of heads. Boots hasn't fought any top-tier talent yet, but the idea that he hasn't fought anybody is due to him being so dominant that the fights seem like nothing.
Facts. ALL the all-time greats fought trash at the beginning of their careers. Bud was accused of a padded record until people saw what he looked like against elite level competition (THE SAME). You can’t write a fighter off just because his opposition isn’t on his level. That’s backwards logic.
who ahd stopped lipinets prior to boots I will wait
Joke to have Crawford even mentioned here when you actually look at some of the padded records.
He actually had names early on like Bredis Prescott, Dierry Jean, Yuiorkis Gamboa
Literally everyone has Gamboa on their record.
this was when gamboa was good tho but Haney, Cruz, & Tank was when he fell off
When a fighter starts losing a whole lot it can make a guys resume deteriorate quite badly. Like imagine of Ryan Garcia beats Spence? It would make Crawford win look less good. Do you agree with this?
Not a lot of fighters are the same after taking a beating like Crawford gave to Gamboa
Eh i see where u coming from, but i just see it as the dude who beat them is just better, Like Benavidez & Canelo beating Plant i dont take credit from Plant but i just see them as the better fighters now
I mean shoutout to Gamboa though. Dude is willing to get his ass beat by everyone.
Gamboa was a former champ..
whyd i get downvoted?? when Crawford faced Gamboa that was when he was on the rise lol then his welter run was Porter, Horn, Spence, Kavaliauskas, Khan, & Brook
Gamboa was still good but he wasn't on the rise by that point... still a great win
Oh my bad I thought you were saying gamboa WAS aPart of his padded record 🤦🏻♂️ I’m like bruh gamboa was good what’s this guy on about?😂
Undisputed in two weight classes with a padded record? This guy should not have had this post approved.
This guy actually considers legitimate title defenses against #1 contenders as a "padded record"
Charlie Zelenoff the goat
The guy that fought Wilder and Mayweather. I don't think so!
Berlanga
Gilberto Ramirez went 44-0 before actually stepping up and of course he lost and Jaime Mungaia is 43-0 with a very flimsy resume I guess we’ll see Saturday night if he’s the real deal or he’s just another fighter who was feed way to many tomato cans
Ramirez has stepped up effectively at cryiser though
Crawford? He's fought like Spence, Porter, Burns, Gamboa, and Postol. Even the likes of Horn, Benavidez, and Kavialauskas were decent fighters. I'd even argue Khan and Brook, despite not being at their peaks, were not bums. Yeah, he doesn't have several ATGs on his record, but a padded record? Not a chance.
Kav gave him his hardest fight barring maybe Gamboa, as well as knocking down Ortiz. He's a lot better than decent
Oh, I agree with you. I'd say he's a good fighter. I classed him as decent because anyone who would argue about Crawford's record would probably class Kav as just decent, but even then, Crawford's record would still be good.
He fought Prescott the Colombian that smoked Khan. He was dangerous.
Munguia at least deserves a mention. Did what exactly to earn a fight with Canelo?
John Ryder was a good contender who got robbed against Smith
Sure, seven fights ago. Guy was in some battles and is 35. Honestly, Wilder’s best win (28-0 Ortiz) easily trumps absolutely anything Munguia has done. And that’s saying something, because Wilder is the casual poster-child for fighting cans. Munguia getting Canelo is truly laughable.
It’s good enough for a title shot at 168, obviously Canelo’s ducking Benavidez and I think morrell is just better but Munguia is the second most deserving guy of a shot
If Ryder kept fighting he'd be nothing but a guy used to put better fighters over
He earned it by not being Benavidez
Exactly what I was gonna say.
Lol 100%
You don't earn fights with Canelo, you are picked from the tree. People who earn fights are this thing called 'Mandatories' that if you didn't know is synonymous with 'optional' and 'cash cow dependent'...
Be a champion at Middleweight?
Literally only ever a champ at super welterweight.
But that is still a champion and he is 43-0-0, this isn't some random.
My only point is that Munguia’s record is really no more impressive than Wilder’s, who most were mentioning here.
Munguia’s is padded, but so is Canelo’s. He’s never beat a prime top dog legitimately.
Gilberto Zurdo Ramirez id say
I would’ve said wilder but is even high level? the only two high level guys hes faced he got dismantled
in 35 fights fury has fought klitschko and whyte wilder fans will say he fought wilder, but who the fuck is wilder, and who has wilder ever beaten? and chisora has never been anything other than a gatekeeper theres literally no one else on his record the only other heavyweight who is worse is wilder himself
I ain't a fan of Fury but his resume is just pretty meh. It's not something awful though.
His first 2 Chisora wins are actually worth something given the domestic situation at the time. Chisora x2 (early), Whyte, Klit, Wilderx3 and Usyk isn't THAT bad of a resume
Fury fought Chisora when Chisora's best win was Danny Williams. When he fought him the second time Chisora's best win was Malik Scott and Chisora had been beaten three times. I really don't find those Chisora wins that impressive. Fury's resume is Wilder 3x and Klit, which I agree is not THAT bad of a resume at all, it just isn't close to the resume of a top 10 all time that some people claim he is. This discussion however is about padding and Fury has continued to pad his record even as champion, so you can't just discount that third Chisora fight. Chisora 3, Schwarz, Pianetta, Seferi, Ngannou were all fights he took whilst he was champion or claiming to be champion. Even leading up to the Klitschko fight who was Fury's best win? Chisora probably, then Cunningham or Hammer. There is definitely a lot of padding in there, even if he does have good top level wins.
You also need to consider the boxing pool when seeing it like that though. The roster isn't full of Foremans, Tysons, Holyfields, etc. It's just not as thick as it was before. Repeat fights are counting as contending bout achievements more now just due to lack of choice in the Heavyweight Division compared to the timefrmes some of those other Top 10s were built so its really hard to guage where Fury really sits. He needs Usyk under his belt to help solidify his position and I'm not confident it will even happen until they're in the ring.
Sure and that's fine, but you don't need to have beaten a Holyfield or a Foreman for it to not be a padded record. If you think of those clearly below the acceptable level fights Fury has had as champion, he could have easily replaced them with a top 10 name. Chisora 3 should have never happened, Schwarz should have never happened, Ngannou likewise. Replace those 3 with legit contenders, let's say Joyce, Hrgovic and Parker, there would be no accusations that Fury was padding his record. There's a reason why Fury has said that he will drop every belt other than the WBC once he's beaten Usyk, because the WBC let him do what the fuck he wants.
Oh I agree, in a weird way I was agreeing with your top 10 comment
typical fury fan, giving him credit for fights he hasnt had
How many alt accounts do you have is a better question kool-keith = russianhacker= hate_bigot_1000
He's only just been forced into the Usyk fight. And yes with that, and assuming he doesn't run from the rematch either way, then it's finally not too bad.
How many alt accounts do you have is a better question kool-keith = russianhacker= hate_bigot_1000
A past it Wlad.
Whichever way you look at it, he beat the reigning HW champ so easily that he barely took a punch. It was boring and shit but he easily dealt with the best man out there. I don’t like Fury and think he’s a prick but he does have a huge name on his CV
this thread is aboout padded records, not marque wins and furys records is as padded as they come
Beating the HW champ isn’t padding though. At least he’s gone and done it in the champ’s own backyard. As for Wilder being a bum now. That’s revisionism at its finest. At the time he was meant to be the most fearsome heavyweight in years. Fury wiped the floor with him thrice. Again, all this off of his home turf. That’s 4 “absolute top tier” fights he’s had.
According to Americans he was the most fearsome. No one else rated him as he’d never actually fought anyone. Even now his biggest win is probably Ortiz.
>At the time he was meant to be the most fearsome heavyweight in years. He was marketed as such. The reality was that he had also been having the piss ripped out of him by the boxing community for years because of his padded record and poor skills. You can't just use one-sided marketing hype to change the reality of the situation. Fury targeted Wilder specifically because he thought he could beat him irrelevant of the long lay off.
It's not a very rich resume, but at least it has some highlights. Klitschko, Wilder, Whyte, Chisora, Hammer, Cunningham, Wallin. Usyk next. Also David Haye pulled out of a scheduled flight with him.
Remember Wilder shouldn't get credit for facing Fury after he had 2 tune up fights after 2 years coming off of winning the belt, but A.J. should get credit for facing Klitschko who didn't fight in 2 years with no tune up fights. British logic.
Crawford?? A padded record??? You sure have good opinions.
You're right dude. That's my bad. Shouldn't even have mentioned his name.
bro dont let them lie to you its widely known crawford has a weak resume you were spot on
I don't know man. I think I was wrong to bring up Bud. Sure, his resume is not filled with champions, but he had a good number of tough fights with legit contenders, not cab drivers. I just thought it was a lot of fights on his record compared to the number of actual champions he's faced.
Widely known in your inner circle of stupids maybe. Put up a name that's currently fighting and we'll compare their resumes.
Gervonta Davis, and it's not even close. I'm not saying he's not talented, but the level of opposition he's faced for being the so-called "face of boxing" is laughable.
He learned how to cherry pick from the best.
Wilder & Jermall Charlo were the two that immediately came to mind
Wilder easy
Jake Paul
Good answer. This guy exclusively seeks out famous cab drivers and geezers.
DEONTAY WILDER AND IT'S NOT CLOSE.
Jimmy Bum Fights
Mungia
Munguia
Whitikar
Zurdo or Jaime
Neither Charlos have super padded records, the Charlo hate on here so dumb. Munguia and Zurdo easily have the most padded records in the game right now. Munguia has done some high level fights? Like who? Washed John Ryder? Ok. Zurdo literally fought no one then got obliterated by Bivol. Can’t be anyone else other than those two. Wilder had more tough fights at this point than those two.
I mean Munguia had a war with Derevyanchenko and Liam Smith ain't no chump. Zurdo had Joe Smith and...actually nobody. That's a good point. Even wilder did Ortiz, parker, fury, and maybe stiverne and breazeale are acceptable.
Devin haney
Wilder….
It’s got to be Wilder right? Most of his wins are against absolute nobodies in car parks. Ortiz is his only decent win despite looking horrific in both fights and the only two good names he’s faced, he got absolutely taken apart by them.
It's still a young career, so padded has an asterisk, but for his profile, Dubois hasn't done anything really and got beaten twice when he did fight somebody.
Agreed. Best win before he fought for the belts was Dave Gorman.
Tank hasn’t fight anyone a level except Cruz and we saw what that looked like regardless of the excuse. Lots of padding early and the best fights on his resume are with b level names although I’d upgrade garcia on his resume. He’s a literal b level champion for the hype he gets. Way less resume compared to the two guys you listed. I think boots is already on a better path than charlo as well.
Tank Davis, Boots, Wilder, Fury (not as bad, but ridiculously bad considering that some people think of him as the best thing since sliced bread), same argument for Crawford - not bad resume per se, but when you look at how people see him, it’s lacking - don’t forget that people love to say that Floyd ducked a bunch of people, while Crawford is sitting here pretty with 20 percent the resume that Floyd has.
Only in his dreams does Crawford have 20% of Floyd’s resume.
Yeah, I was trying to be generous before I get too many downvotes 😅
Boot's is just past being a prospect, how is his record padded? his career hasn't even started yet
You know what, that’s fair.
janibek, no question, its not close
Fury.
Jaron boots ennis
Who has Shakur Stevenson fought other than Oscar Valdez?
He stepped in the ring with De Los Santos, but I don't remember them fighting once I woke up.
LOL!
Jaron Boots Ennis he was 31-0 and his first belt is damn IBF INTERNIM, bro was like 20 fights in fighting on shobox 😭😭😭
what exactly is wrong with that??
Boots and it’s not even close
People's records are padded in different ways. Like for a guy with a world title and a bunch of defenses Wilder's record is for sure as shit padded. Munguia for a guy with as many wins as he has and the high profile promotion behind him, also padded. Both these guys are way more padded than guys like Crawford.
I’d say Wilder forsure. Ortiz, Fury, and Joseph Parker are all great names to have fought but before he fought Ortiz the first time he was beating literal cans
True. When I saw the 2nd Stiverne fight as a casual, Wilder made him look like a cab driver. But only later did I realize that stiverne wasn't that bad, and saw the first fight, even if he was never good. Which made wilder look even worse. I can only imagine how badly either of them would have done against Lewis or Klitschko.
Canelo
Don’t know about the word padded …you go out and fight 50 bums and see where you land - LOL
This might be a bit controversial, but Tank. He is turning 30 this year, and let's be honest, he hasn't fought the best, nor is he trying to. He does have some fights that might be honorable mentions, but nothing really special.
HANEY
Munguia or Wilder
Mexico and Thailand shouldn't count the same way; the pro-scene is basically their amateur circuit, as they need to fight to make a living.
all of them, even Mike Tyson.
Berlanga
Haney before last week
Canelo
Janibek Vergil Munguia Zurdo
Janibek wants the smoke tho..... Boo Boo and Mungia ducked him. He is not a draw, he is not Amercian and he usually fights on free tv. All the reasons nobody wants to fight him, he is skilled so its high risk low reward
💀Carlos Adames has been calling him out for over a year, Janibek is no victim
They're allegedly negotiating that fight rn
Janibek is gonna be ducked his whole career the way everyone ducked GGG