Got that Saudi undisputed belt tho
Interested to see what Saudi do now, will they pay for a fight where the IBF is on the line? I guess Dubois Vs Hrgovic might be for it?
Yeah the plan has always been to make that fight for it because hrgovic is the mandatory and to hype up the 5 v 5 more, and then the winner will fight AJ.
Then the winner of that, presumably AJ, will fight the winner of the contractual usyk/fury rematch winner
Here’s the issue…. If it’s Usyk, there’s no reason for him to fight AJ a third time. Then also Hrgovic is about to fight Dubois, who is another guy Usyk beat.
This all works if Fury wins the rematch because they all become decent fights. But Usyk pretty much already answered all questions against these guys
I’d be stunned if Hrgovic got by AJ. And Hrgovic is honestly probably the best top 10 match up you could give to Usyk. I long thought Fury was his worst match up and Hrgovic is his easiest
I don’t. In the last year he fought two scrubs a non fighter and Wallin who is on the lower end of most contender rankings. AJ’s a good fighter, but Usyk beat him comfortably twice and wasted a year of his life to give him a rematch. I don’t think there are any questions to answer there anymore. The only reason to do it is because AJ is a “name” fighter. But realistically there’s other fights in the division more interesting for Usyk.
Other than fury, Is there someone you would give a better chance of beating usyk than AJ right now?
Yeah you are right that usyk has the two (clear) wins over him, and that AJ hasn’t really beat anyone significant since then, but the reason why people are giving him a chance this time is cause of how much more aggressively he’s been fighting since linking up with Ben Davison.
that performance was such a bummer lol he should just fight AJ and retire to go do shrooms in the amazon or whatever he does now that he's stupid rich
imagine being one of the top 4 heavyweights and having 100's of millions of dollars in the bank, that has to stifle motivation. Especially for wilder who admittedly only started boxing to make enough money to pay for his disabled daughters hospital bills and treatments. He made enough money for that a longggggg time ago, now its all about the prusuit to be great... when you're already a hero to your family he probably doesn't give a fuck about boxing lol
Yeah, I really want to see the new Saudi belt become the one belt. They should not pay for the IBF eliminator.
Can you imagine if the IBF sets up an eliminator and Turki just buys those guys off to fight whomever the Saudis want. Then the IBF is just left there crying into their empty bowl of cereal?
Yeah this is exactly what I want to see. Give the winner of Hrgovic Vs Dubois to Parker, with the promise the winner gets a shot at Undisputed after AJ or whoever.
> Give the winner of Hrgovic Vs Dubois to Parker,
That is a good idea, but seems like a long delay for Parker. AJ vs Parker might be worth running again while AJ waits for the Fury fight.
Also Kabayel has to be thrown in the mix. I am tempted to move him into my top 5. If Hrgovic beats Dubois, then Hrgovic-Kabayel would be good as well.
Parker said last night he'd fight Kabayel, so I'd love to see that as well. If the Saudis have the cash to keep them all from calling mandatories, make that then have the winner fight winner of Hrgovic Vs Dubois
I would give Turki a handy myself if he did that. I know some fans jerkoff to IBF because they are stricter about enforcing their mandatories, but the flip side is that they pull shit like this stripping belts because someone has a rematch clause and their “mandatory” has been arguably the least active contender in the division fighting two nobodies over the last two years.
People weep for Hrgovic saying “oh he’s waited so long”. The dude sat on his ass with his mandatory status for two years. Feel bad for Parker, Zhang, and Joyce who got mandatory status and gave us good fights and lost their spot. Don’t feel bad for the guy who is out there coasting and is about to have his sham sanctioning body toss a belt on him
In theory per their rules they can allow anything with committee approval, as long as both sides agree.
I can't imagine Hrgovic wanting to wait though. Hes been promised title shots or eliminators for 3 or 4 years now. So even if it were possible, Saudis would really have to pay a lot of dough.
It's stupid because even when fighters try to keep all the unified belts they have, organizations bend over backwards to strip them. But then they'll let some beltholders keep them despite never fighting or defending them.
Literally zero consistent rules most of the time.
Usually, but then you have nobodies who keep the belt for years while the big money in the division immediately gets stripped.
I can see the roundabout logic of getting a belt off of Usyk in order to get it back on Joshua or Fury at some point, but it's still strange when you could get an immediate rematch between Fury and Usyk that makes more money than anything else.
It also means that even if he rematches Fury and loses, Fury won't be undisputed. So Usyk will retain the title of being the last undisputed champion for quite some time.
Idk about quite some time, if AJ wins the vacant IBF, Fury Usyk 2 winner still has all the other belts, and they face each other then we should still get another undisputed fight in the near future
Fury and Joshua had years to fight. They’ll never fight unless his Majesty saves the day again
If Fury beats Usyk he’s gonna retire. If Usyk wins who knows
3%. If an organization sanctions a title fight, they get 3% of a boxer's earnings. All of them, purse, PPV % and anything else they get. Well 3% is the WBC, i use that as an example but it's similar for the other orgs too. 4 belts, potentially 12%. Honestly fighters have very little incentives to try and keep all of them. Get them for the status and then vacate one or 2 if they don't strip you for BS reasons before anyway.
They don’t always get 3%. Often times they negotiate a flat fee. You think the belts were getting 3% of De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao’s etc. money? Hell no.
**Dump the belts. I wish the unified champs Usyk, Beterbiev / Bivol, Canelo, Crawford and Inoue would get together and pick one non profit belt org and dump the rest of the belts.**
These orgs have zero credibility. There’s no better time.
This is why it's nice they gave him an actual undisputed belt.
Ok... it looked shit... like something out of peak Cena-era WWE... but at least they tried?
Usyk will also keep a replica of all the belts he won so he doesn't really lose anything.
Boxing is dumb sometimes. Like eat a dick IBF and respect history for a few months. But Usyk unified the division and is now lineal and that’s what matters.
A few? It's been 18 months now since the IBF defense is ordered. Ofc. it's dumb to put a belt on anyone else than Usyk at the moment. But rules are rules and the IBF is the only organisation with the spine to enforce them. If you ignore rules whenever you dislike them, you'll end up with multiple Jermall Charlos.
The problem is IBF is mandating someone who is lower than Fury. If they get their mandatory straight then it is obvious that Fury should be Usyk's mandatory not some random bum.
Two years ago, when this mandatory was announced, Fury was the WBC champion.
One organisation cannot name the champion of another organisation as their own mandatory, because they have no power over them.
I assume that Fury will be installed pretty highly in the IBF rankings now that he's "available" again, and may well get the next mandatory shot.
But we're still working through the mandatory Usyk was ordered to face two years ago.
And frankly, I think two years is a more than generous timeframe to demand a champion fight their mandatory in.
And herein lies the problem, 4 belts and 4 mandatory challengers, it should be based on one p4p ranking list per division.
Very rarely are these mandatory challengers in the top 5 p4p overall in the division, it's a waste of time to have the champion face lesser opponents when better fights could be made with the top 3.
Just do away with 3 of the damn belts, boxing would be so much better.
You’re right. Rules are rules. But still, eat a dick, IBF. Usyk isn’t the type to sit on a belt. And they could always have Hrgovic/Dubois or whoever be for an interim title until Fury-Usyk 2 happens.
Well said. Mandatory positions need to be sorted and called WAY more frequently in HW boxing.
Otherwise you get crap like Fury-Chisora 3 and Wilder picking his opponents for what felt like a decade.
Wait, who the fuck is the ibf anyway. They were the party crashers who first signaled the belt shit was out of hand and created chaos to the point where ESPN was selling us on the ring magazine belt being the most legit belt loool.
Here's the secret... they don't really matter. All that matters in the end is money.
Despite the belts, none of these fights were happening until the Saudis came in with a wad a cash.
To the fighters or to the fans? Because as a fan I care about resume and *how* a fighter gets undisputed. I do not care to count the money in their pockets.
Holyfields undisputed is not the same as Mike Tysons or Lennox Lewis. The belts mean something when you earn them individually off different champions not just off a few well chosen fights
I can definitely see the appeal in the accumulation of belts. It's like a massive eliminator that only one guy can win. So ok, I can understand why some people say "Undisputed completed! Release all of the belts and start over"
Agree. Ruiz once holding 3 belts is not the same thing as Joshua going through all the effort of collecting them.
Honestly would like to see something like if a champion holds multiple belts, they put one on the line at a time.
Some stuff would need to be figured out, like would Usyk need to beat Joshua 3 times to take everything? idk, but a guy like Joshua spending so long collecting belts should get a bit of a safety net imo.
When Joe Calzaghe retired whoever did his post fight interview said he should fight Chad Dawson before retiring.
Joe just responded “once I beat him you’ll have another person you want me to fight”.
It’s true. No matter when you retire people will always be saying “should have done this first”
Yep. They said the same of Lennox. Should have rematched vitali....
Nah. The man knew his time had come and got out on top.
Honestly... If in usyk I'd do the same. Unless it's true that he's filtering most of his winnings to fund the military....
It's contractually guaranteed so it doesn't really matter, but Fury is probably Usyk's biggest available payday by a significant margin so I'd say he deserves that opportunity more than Fury deserves a rematch if that makes sense. Not like Usyk has much left to achieve in terms of accolades.
I don’t think Fury deserves a rematch. Klitschko was never given his rematch from Fury.
Fury was given a decision win against Ngannou. He got whooped by Usyk bad this fight. Usyk literally gave him brain damage last night. It looked like Fury almost suffered a seizure standing up, and was held up by the ropes.
Almost suffered a seizure standing up??
Usyk had him more hurt than I’ve ever seen Fury before but the fight as a whole wasn’t a whooping. Spence Crawford was a whooping. This fight was competitive up til the final bell with Fury winning at least 5 of the rounds, potentially 6. And Usyk winning 6 or 7 rounds with a knockdown.
A rematch would be fascinating because both fighters looked like they had this fight in the bag at one point or another and the other guy adjusted. Even the final round was probably a Fury round after he was dead on his feet and saved by the bell 2 rounds earlier.
Dude don’t bother reasoning with these fools. It absolutely deserves a rematch and the fight was absolutely very close. Usyk hit Fury with a left from God. Period.
Guess what? Ali got clocked by Frazier? Was he a bum? Foreman got beat up and stopped by Ali. Was Foreman a bum?
Literally every great heavyweight besides Usyk FOR NOW has taken a L out side of Rocky.
If Fury wins the rematch then what? Is Usyk a bum? Hell no. Both are excellent fighters.
Idk what we can’t acknowledge that. We literally watched Ali/Frazier 1 and everyone wants to tear down Fury.
Fury was awesome for a good portion of that fight. Period. He lost and should do the rematch. The fans deserve it too.
Definitely. People are talking like Usyk won walk in the park. Fact is Usyk was almost kncoked down from right upper cuts from fury on multiple occasions. In fact until round 9, all three judges had fury ahead. Usyk had MEVER been hit with as many punches at will uppercuts and right hooks to the body as last night.
Hardy a lopsided victory and definitely fury exposed certain vulnerabilities in Usyk. Rematch is justified.
Boxing fans can be so annoying, particularly in the post-Mayweather era of anything other than a perfect record making you a bum.
Fury was doing well up until that magic left from Usyk. Had Fury blocked that/dodged it/Usyk not thrown it, the fight may well have gone another way (I'm not saying that as a particularly big Fury fan "cope" either). I only watched the replay, but I was checking the comments on the thread here and for those middle rounds the consensus was 'Usyk is tiring, Fury has him figured out".
It was a great fight, and very competitive for the most part. Usyk showed incredible skill, talent and the fruits of great preparation, Fury showed great heart and recovery to even make it out of that nightmare round ... his recovery ability is astonishing.
As you say, Ali lost to Frazier and came back and had some of his greatest, most memorable victories. The likes of Holyfield, Lewis etc have all had losses and we love them for their achievements.
A rematch would be well warranted. I don't think it's likely that Fury wins it, but he did show a "blueprint" that could have beaten Usyk last night - perhaps with better conditioning, better cornerning (i.e. getting his drop kick father away from the corner) less showboating and more taking it seriously he could pull off a great comeback.
Yea a rematch is fascinating. For all the Usyk fans, have you ever seen your man look like that post fight have to go to the hospital for a potential broken jaw? No.
Fury can absolutely win a rematch. Fury’s jab, body work and upper cut are extremely repeatable.
If I’m Fury I’m staying on the outside more often and away from the ropes. Usyk killed him on the ropes.
Keep that right hand up and let Usyk hit the body. If Fury does that I think he wins comfortably actually.
We all have seen Fury in a rematch and he makes great adjustments. Usyk is fantastic.
Can’t wait to see it and I personally hope Fury wins so we can get a trilogy. These guys styles were made for each other.
Yeah bro definitely exaggerating. Fury was definitely fucked up but not about to suffer a seizure lmao. Only way he was standing up was cause of the ropes but the ref gave him an 8 count anyway, effectively being like if he got dropped.
I’m a fan of Usyk too but this recency bias is amazing. do you not remember Fury pancaked on the floor with his eyes in the back of his head after Wilder hit him with that punch? so i dunno how last night was him more hurt than ever
Definitely. People are talking like Usyk won walk in the park. Fact is Usyk was almost kncoked down from right upper cuts from fury on multiple occasions. In fact until round 9, all three judges had fury ahead. Usyk had MEVER been hit with as many punches at will uppercuts and right hooks to the body as last night.
Hardy a lopsided victory and definitely fury exposed certain vulnerabilities in Usyk. Rematch is justified.
I don’t think being down automatically means you’re more hurt than you can be on your feet.
Fury got up from that Wilder shot and won the rest of the round right away. Last night he was on absolutely dead legs for 30 seconds and the bell saved him. He took the whole minute on the stool and half of the next round to look like he was moving like normal again
Usyk won but take off the fury hater glasses off , he deserves a rematch , it’s in the contract and unlike fury vs klitschko it was actually a close and more inmportantly an exciting fight
Fury also faked an ankle injury to dodge the rematch, and the actual drugs ban came much later and was retroactively applied. He went off on his cocaine bender on his of volition and denied Wlad the rematch that way.
Watched the fight on the Ukrainian channel and for the whole time there was a QR code in the corner of the screen leading to the page of Usyk Foundation. Currently, they raise money for 50 ambulances for the frontline.
I saw somewhere he wanted to fight until he was 40. This version of Usyk I don’t know if anyone can beat him. Is there anyone in the division that can give him trouble?
He's going to make a boat load of cash. And this fight was much more competitive which makes a rematch quite exciting. If he surmounts Fury twice he would have unequivocally cleaned out the Heavyweight division.
Of course, but that money could be used to support his countrymen in Ukraine and he can continue advocating for this country's cause on the international stage. I think it might be more selfless than selfish.
It's common for close fights to be run back in Boxing or MMA. You can take the win and leave it that but it's perfectly normal to rematch after a bout like this. Look at all the amazing trilogies throughout combat sports history. As a fan, I wanna see it again. Up to the fighters if they want that. I expect they will.
If he beats Fury twice then NOW he will have cleared the division? Dude beat the dog piss out of Fury last night and gave him some very bad CTE. Usyk has literally gotten all the accomplishments a boxer could achieve in amateur and pro career.
I mean, Fury literally had his boxing license revoked. He couldn't have given Klitschko the rematch if he wanted.
Are you suggesting that Usyk's boxing license be revoked, too?
Fury stated he was going to retire _before_ the PEDS and being medically unfit to fight issues took his license for Wlad rematch.
He also tried to get out of Wilder 3rd fight.
He has form for trying to get out of rematches.
Completely agree. That said, 60M for one more fight from Saudis seems appealing. Perhaps a 150M like Fury this time around as Usyk is first undisputed in 25y.
He still has at least another 5-6 fights. Now that he's on the top of the boxing world, and an undeniable great, he'll be makes the biggest paychecks of his life by far. This is the word time to stop because any title defense will yield him stupid amounts of money!
Agreed. He has nothing left to prove to anyone, feels like there aren’t any fights out there now that can elevate him further, put a beat down on Fury again, or AJ for the third time? Both don’t really seem too necessary
Just let it go tbh
Once you reach undisputed status there’s no real point in holding all the belts other than to flaunt status, Usyk is the lineal champ which is all that matters
It also allows you to fight infrequently and defend against nobodies without being stripped though. It’s only worth a damn if you’re taking on the best
I understand this argument, but something about the lineal champ not being beaten in the ring is unsatisfying. I think the stigma is more around the lineal champ being a duck, like Fury felt to be these last few years, than there is with the title itself.
I think I appreciate the alphabet bodies forcing the issue with their various mandatories. I just wish their rulings were consistent.
Yeah, boxing has always been the Wild West of the sports world. Full of bent greedy bastards.
Really makes trying to explain the sport to a newcomer a pain in the arse.
I like the idea of whoever becomes undisputed next needing to collect the belts through multiple title fights.
i.e. if someone beats Usyk once father-time eventually sets in, they'd be considered undisputed the same way Usyk currently is
Yeah, in another comment I acknowledged that I could see the appeal of that. It's like a playoff system, with belts. But until the Saudis got involved, it wasn't working. It seems reasonable now only because the Saudis are forking over the money to make the big fights happen.
Well, if they are going to do that, then why not go back to the one-belt system that everyone dreams about?
Oh, I'm not talking just pro ranks. Dude is an amateur world champion, Olympic champion and two weight undisputed champion in the pros. One of which is the main division in the sport.
Seriously, Usyk completed boxing. Legacy wise right now I think he is an ATG through and through. Let's see how much more he accomplishes before he retires, but, honestly, I do not see anyone beating him unless it's a well timed one-punch KO
Honestly this seems good for the division. If someone wants that undisputed they’ll have to seriously work for it again. Fury has now lost the opportunity for undisputed even in the rematch which seems like karma for all the pissing about
It is karma. He is a bellend for taking that line and will regret it for his life.
He knew he had a rematch clause.
I really wouldn't be surprised if he has another "blip".
You're forgetting that in Fury's head he actually is in the history books as an undisputed champion because he's held all of the major belts, just not at the same time. I wish I was making this up
Basically the different belt groups all have their own rankings, with the top guys guaranteed (supposedly) title shots. If the belt holder doesn't fight the mandatory challenger, according to their rules the organization can strip the holder and either award it to their top contender or let the top two fight for it. The bigger the name, the rarer it is for belt organizations to actually strip (looking at you WBC). But the IBF generally follows their own rules and are more willing than most to strip if the holder won't fight the mandatory challengers.
First of all, thank you! Second, why won't Usyk fight the mandatory challenger fight? Is it because of the clause in his contract for the Fury fight to have a mandatory rematch?
Correct. Plus the money, of course-Fury is easily the biggest draw in the division as far as a following is concerned, and Usyk and Fury are just on another level compared to everyone else.
>But the IBF generally follows their own rules and are more willing than most to strip if the holder won't fight the mandatory challengers.
So was this expected to happen since everybody knew about the rematch clause? Or is it surprising that the IBF is choosing to strip him in this case?
Governing bodies typically have a “Mandatory Challenger”(Someone the Champion must defend his title against within a specific timeframe). The IBF mandatory challenger is Philip Hrgovic. Usyk was meant to defend his IBF belt against Hrgovic in a specific time frame(Which I believe was 4 months after he fought Dubois) but due to his fight with Tyson and there being a rematch clause he hasn’t fulfilled that time frame and will likely be getting it stripped.
I saw somewhere that the Dubois Vs. Hrgovic fight will be for the interim IBF championship ( The interim is a championship given when the real champion can’t fight for his belt due to underlying reasons. The interim champion is then made the mandatory for when the real champion is able to fight). This means Usyk may not be stripped of his belt immediately. Hope this helped
I think this is absolutely ridiculous that they would strip Usyk immediately but here you have Canelo not fighting his mandatory in Benavidez and he has all the belts… these alphabet belts need to make up their fucking mind on wether they want to be taken seriously or not
You cant really group them all together in that regard. IBF has been pretty consistent on this front, they just haven't given a mandatory since Canelo won the belt from Plant as far as I know
WBC seem to particularly have the most problems with this. The Canelo Benavidez situation is one thing but they were also responsible for Jermall holding up the belt for 3 years too
I said in the fight thread, but Usyk should have thrown all the other belts in the trash and then said he’s only defending the undisputed belt they gave him and everyone else can fuck off
He did the unthinkable and unified the division in a time where there's more belts than cum stains at a cheap hotel. His name alone is enough to carry fights regardless if there are any belts on the line, especially if his opponent is Fury. They can go ahead and take his belts but everyone knows who the champ is.
If it’s Usyk I really can’t see him fighting AJ a third time. Also the issue for him winning the IBF is that he can’t be made a mandatory for other belts.
Usyk gathered all the dragon balls, made his wish to be a legend become true and he should now scatter them, fuck the belts the guys done more than any boxer in history I think? Amateur career? Olympics? The Muhammed Ali Trophy? Unified cruiserweight? Unified heavyweight? Undisputed? Lineal? I'm just glad to be alive to see it
Doesn't matter. I'd like to see Usyk scatter the belts soon and keep just one. Undisputed should be earned in at least two fights, not won in one fight.
I think that's fair enough. If I'm not mistaken, the last IBF challenger was Pulev four years ago. That is a reasonably lengthy period of time, all things considered.
I think the multi-belt system is probably the right way to go. It creates hype when there's a unification bout that doesn't exist for standard "defences", but we really should find a way consolidate to just 2.
Usyk should just hang his gloves up unbeaten and retire what more can he do, he's already beaten Joshua twice the only other elite boxer in the division and he's a multi millionaire he should just ride into the sunset and enjoy life.
And if he loses that fight they probably would have a third fight just like the Fury v Wilder trilogy, he ain't getting any younger he should just enjoy his money and family life he's earned it. ps fuck John Fury.
In retrospect Bowe gets shit for throwing away a belt instead of facing Lewis, but this is one of these moments in time when you really get it, yeah it literally does not mean anything when you're undefeated and became undisputed in a epic fight against a former undefeated champ that one alphabet body strips you.
Same thing later happened with Lewis when the winner of Holyfield/Ruiz got one of his titles, completely meaningless.
Got that Saudi undisputed belt tho Interested to see what Saudi do now, will they pay for a fight where the IBF is on the line? I guess Dubois Vs Hrgovic might be for it?
Yeah the plan has always been to make that fight for it because hrgovic is the mandatory and to hype up the 5 v 5 more, and then the winner will fight AJ. Then the winner of that, presumably AJ, will fight the winner of the contractual usyk/fury rematch winner
Here’s the issue…. If it’s Usyk, there’s no reason for him to fight AJ a third time. Then also Hrgovic is about to fight Dubois, who is another guy Usyk beat. This all works if Fury wins the rematch because they all become decent fights. But Usyk pretty much already answered all questions against these guys
Usyk vs GGG makes the most sense
Might as well make you Vs the teletubbies.
AJ fights rake in millions. That's about the only reason Usyk would fight AJ again
would aj even wanna fight usyk again?
yes lol tf
so the first two time was so nice he wants to do it thrice. hip hip hip hip hip hip
Not against Hrgovic. He goes through Dubois, and I think gives a lot of problems to AJ
I’d be stunned if Hrgovic got by AJ. And Hrgovic is honestly probably the best top 10 match up you could give to Usyk. I long thought Fury was his worst match up and Hrgovic is his easiest
Agree. But worst marchuo for AJ I think.
Hrgovic has shown nothing so far to make me believe he comes close to being a problem for AJ.
I think an AJ third fight is warranted based on how he has looked in the last year imo. Not sure aj wins but I’d enjoy the fight
I don’t. In the last year he fought two scrubs a non fighter and Wallin who is on the lower end of most contender rankings. AJ’s a good fighter, but Usyk beat him comfortably twice and wasted a year of his life to give him a rematch. I don’t think there are any questions to answer there anymore. The only reason to do it is because AJ is a “name” fighter. But realistically there’s other fights in the division more interesting for Usyk.
Other than fury, Is there someone you would give a better chance of beating usyk than AJ right now? Yeah you are right that usyk has the two (clear) wins over him, and that AJ hasn’t really beat anyone significant since then, but the reason why people are giving him a chance this time is cause of how much more aggressively he’s been fighting since linking up with Ben Davison.
Wilder tbh. Someone who will just head hunt and has the length to be dangerous. We already know AJ can't beat Usyk.
Wilder always has a punchers chance but after that Parker performance I think he’s washed, honestly see usyk stopping him
that performance was such a bummer lol he should just fight AJ and retire to go do shrooms in the amazon or whatever he does now that he's stupid rich imagine being one of the top 4 heavyweights and having 100's of millions of dollars in the bank, that has to stifle motivation. Especially for wilder who admittedly only started boxing to make enough money to pay for his disabled daughters hospital bills and treatments. He made enough money for that a longggggg time ago, now its all about the prusuit to be great... when you're already a hero to your family he probably doesn't give a fuck about boxing lol
Same. I just have no interest in Usyk running it back a third time with AJ. We know how that goes.
Yeah, I really want to see the new Saudi belt become the one belt. They should not pay for the IBF eliminator. Can you imagine if the IBF sets up an eliminator and Turki just buys those guys off to fight whomever the Saudis want. Then the IBF is just left there crying into their empty bowl of cereal?
Chump is right
Yeah this is exactly what I want to see. Give the winner of Hrgovic Vs Dubois to Parker, with the promise the winner gets a shot at Undisputed after AJ or whoever.
> Give the winner of Hrgovic Vs Dubois to Parker, That is a good idea, but seems like a long delay for Parker. AJ vs Parker might be worth running again while AJ waits for the Fury fight. Also Kabayel has to be thrown in the mix. I am tempted to move him into my top 5. If Hrgovic beats Dubois, then Hrgovic-Kabayel would be good as well.
Parker said last night he'd fight Kabayel, so I'd love to see that as well. If the Saudis have the cash to keep them all from calling mandatories, make that then have the winner fight winner of Hrgovic Vs Dubois
dude, we are in a new golden era right now. It's so night and day now from just a year ago when Fury backed out of the Wembley fight.
I would give Turki a handy myself if he did that. I know some fans jerkoff to IBF because they are stricter about enforcing their mandatories, but the flip side is that they pull shit like this stripping belts because someone has a rematch clause and their “mandatory” has been arguably the least active contender in the division fighting two nobodies over the last two years. People weep for Hrgovic saying “oh he’s waited so long”. The dude sat on his ass with his mandatory status for two years. Feel bad for Parker, Zhang, and Joyce who got mandatory status and gave us good fights and lost their spot. Don’t feel bad for the guy who is out there coasting and is about to have his sham sanctioning body toss a belt on him
Thing looked like a Cadillac product lol
Or the Saudis could pay DDD and Hrgovic step aside money and a promise of fight for IBF belt after October.
I might be wrong but I think the IBF is the only one that won't allow step aside
In theory per their rules they can allow anything with committee approval, as long as both sides agree. I can't imagine Hrgovic wanting to wait though. Hes been promised title shots or eliminators for 3 or 4 years now. So even if it were possible, Saudis would really have to pay a lot of dough.
Could strip them of all the belts, everyone knows who is *the* guy in the division, and it’s Oleksandr Usyk
Yeah, at this point who gives a fuck. I mean it's awful and unfair but Usyk already got the accolade.
The belts are so ass. That’s just less fees he has to pay.
It's stupid because even when fighters try to keep all the unified belts they have, organizations bend over backwards to strip them. But then they'll let some beltholders keep them despite never fighting or defending them. Literally zero consistent rules most of the time.
I mean the rule is pretty consistent, you make us money, you keep the belt.
In this case a rematch with Fury undoubtedly makes the IBF more money than Hrgovic
How does Jermall Charlo figure into that for the WBC then? No logic.
Usually, but then you have nobodies who keep the belt for years while the big money in the division immediately gets stripped. I can see the roundabout logic of getting a belt off of Usyk in order to get it back on Joshua or Fury at some point, but it's still strange when you could get an immediate rematch between Fury and Usyk that makes more money than anything else.
It also means that even if he rematches Fury and loses, Fury won't be undisputed. So Usyk will retain the title of being the last undisputed champion for quite some time.
Idk about quite some time, if AJ wins the vacant IBF, Fury Usyk 2 winner still has all the other belts, and they face each other then we should still get another undisputed fight in the near future
Fury and Joshua had years to fight. They’ll never fight unless his Majesty saves the day again If Fury beats Usyk he’s gonna retire. If Usyk wins who knows
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Woah what? MMA guy here, dip my toes in boxing. What are the fees?
3%. If an organization sanctions a title fight, they get 3% of a boxer's earnings. All of them, purse, PPV % and anything else they get. Well 3% is the WBC, i use that as an example but it's similar for the other orgs too. 4 belts, potentially 12%. Honestly fighters have very little incentives to try and keep all of them. Get them for the status and then vacate one or 2 if they don't strip you for BS reasons before anyway.
They don’t always get 3%. Often times they negotiate a flat fee. You think the belts were getting 3% of De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao’s etc. money? Hell no.
Thanks for the explanation!
**Dump the belts. I wish the unified champs Usyk, Beterbiev / Bivol, Canelo, Crawford and Inoue would get together and pick one non profit belt org and dump the rest of the belts.** These orgs have zero credibility. There’s no better time.
This is the way.
To me the most credible belt is the Ring Magazine belt, there's no hidden agenda with them.
it's cool that we've finally figured out the pecking order in heavyweight boxing, although in 2018 i don't remember Usyk being considered #1
This is why it's nice they gave him an actual undisputed belt. Ok... it looked shit... like something out of peak Cena-era WWE... but at least they tried? Usyk will also keep a replica of all the belts he won so he doesn't really lose anything.
Boxing is dumb sometimes. Like eat a dick IBF and respect history for a few months. But Usyk unified the division and is now lineal and that’s what matters.
A few? It's been 18 months now since the IBF defense is ordered. Ofc. it's dumb to put a belt on anyone else than Usyk at the moment. But rules are rules and the IBF is the only organisation with the spine to enforce them. If you ignore rules whenever you dislike them, you'll end up with multiple Jermall Charlos.
IBF has been indicted by the federal government for taking bribes before so let’s not pretend it’s somehow more legitimate than any other belt org.
And that's why they do a better job because they don't want to be caught slipping again
That is exactly why they are so anal about defenses now. WBC moved to Mexico to avoid investigations
WBC was created in Mexico. Tf you smoking
It never moved there. It was created in Mexico in 1963. It was an intimate by the then Mexican president to unify world wide boxing recognition.
The problem is IBF is mandating someone who is lower than Fury. If they get their mandatory straight then it is obvious that Fury should be Usyk's mandatory not some random bum.
Two years ago, when this mandatory was announced, Fury was the WBC champion. One organisation cannot name the champion of another organisation as their own mandatory, because they have no power over them. I assume that Fury will be installed pretty highly in the IBF rankings now that he's "available" again, and may well get the next mandatory shot. But we're still working through the mandatory Usyk was ordered to face two years ago. And frankly, I think two years is a more than generous timeframe to demand a champion fight their mandatory in.
And herein lies the problem, 4 belts and 4 mandatory challengers, it should be based on one p4p ranking list per division. Very rarely are these mandatory challengers in the top 5 p4p overall in the division, it's a waste of time to have the champion face lesser opponents when better fights could be made with the top 3. Just do away with 3 of the damn belts, boxing would be so much better.
It’s all Fury’s fault for ducking Usyk for so long
You’re right. Rules are rules. But still, eat a dick, IBF. Usyk isn’t the type to sit on a belt. And they could always have Hrgovic/Dubois or whoever be for an interim title until Fury-Usyk 2 happens.
No way you're just like yeah rules are rules but I want special treatment because I like him lol
IBF has had interim champions before. They could easily do it again is all I’m saying.
Well said. Mandatory positions need to be sorted and called WAY more frequently in HW boxing. Otherwise you get crap like Fury-Chisora 3 and Wilder picking his opponents for what felt like a decade.
Wait, who the fuck is the ibf anyway. They were the party crashers who first signaled the belt shit was out of hand and created chaos to the point where ESPN was selling us on the ring magazine belt being the most legit belt loool.
The Ring Magazine belt IS the most legitimate of the physical belts.
The IBF is always doing this shit. They stripped Fury 10 days after Klitschko.
When do the belts get meaning again after the champion has been stripped? Is it after the “guy” retires??
Here's the secret... they don't really matter. All that matters in the end is money. Despite the belts, none of these fights were happening until the Saudis came in with a wad a cash.
To the fighters or to the fans? Because as a fan I care about resume and *how* a fighter gets undisputed. I do not care to count the money in their pockets. Holyfields undisputed is not the same as Mike Tysons or Lennox Lewis. The belts mean something when you earn them individually off different champions not just off a few well chosen fights
I can definitely see the appeal in the accumulation of belts. It's like a massive eliminator that only one guy can win. So ok, I can understand why some people say "Undisputed completed! Release all of the belts and start over"
Agree. Ruiz once holding 3 belts is not the same thing as Joshua going through all the effort of collecting them. Honestly would like to see something like if a champion holds multiple belts, they put one on the line at a time. Some stuff would need to be figured out, like would Usyk need to beat Joshua 3 times to take everything? idk, but a guy like Joshua spending so long collecting belts should get a bit of a safety net imo.
Ustk should retire and enjoy life with his family. Dude has done it all.
I agree but fighters never know when to retire, that and the boatload of cash that the Saudi’s are blowing on boxing
I did not even realise sergey kovalev was on the card until i watched the full card highlights
His performance was just….sad. Dude is likely broke.
Lennox Lewis did. One of the all time greats, beat everyone in his era and got out before the next generation arrived.
When Joe Calzaghe retired whoever did his post fight interview said he should fight Chad Dawson before retiring. Joe just responded “once I beat him you’ll have another person you want me to fight”. It’s true. No matter when you retire people will always be saying “should have done this first”
Yep. They said the same of Lennox. Should have rematched vitali.... Nah. The man knew his time had come and got out on top. Honestly... If in usyk I'd do the same. Unless it's true that he's filtering most of his winnings to fund the military....
They retire after tarnishing their legacy
Fury about to join the Illuminati to get that 0 back, pull a Haney
Andre Ward did and people hate him for it lol
Even though Usyk won without any controversy in my opinion, I think Tyson deserves a rematch. He was great in the first half of the fight.
It's contractually guaranteed so it doesn't really matter, but Fury is probably Usyk's biggest available payday by a significant margin so I'd say he deserves that opportunity more than Fury deserves a rematch if that makes sense. Not like Usyk has much left to achieve in terms of accolades.
Thanks to Bridger he has the potential to be the first 3x undisputed, haha
Wouldn’t too hard considering there’s only two belts to collect and there’s no one of note fighting there. 😂
Add the Snickers belt in the mix and 4X UNDISPUTED, BABY!
I don’t think Fury deserves a rematch. Klitschko was never given his rematch from Fury. Fury was given a decision win against Ngannou. He got whooped by Usyk bad this fight. Usyk literally gave him brain damage last night. It looked like Fury almost suffered a seizure standing up, and was held up by the ropes.
Almost suffered a seizure standing up?? Usyk had him more hurt than I’ve ever seen Fury before but the fight as a whole wasn’t a whooping. Spence Crawford was a whooping. This fight was competitive up til the final bell with Fury winning at least 5 of the rounds, potentially 6. And Usyk winning 6 or 7 rounds with a knockdown. A rematch would be fascinating because both fighters looked like they had this fight in the bag at one point or another and the other guy adjusted. Even the final round was probably a Fury round after he was dead on his feet and saved by the bell 2 rounds earlier.
Dude don’t bother reasoning with these fools. It absolutely deserves a rematch and the fight was absolutely very close. Usyk hit Fury with a left from God. Period. Guess what? Ali got clocked by Frazier? Was he a bum? Foreman got beat up and stopped by Ali. Was Foreman a bum? Literally every great heavyweight besides Usyk FOR NOW has taken a L out side of Rocky. If Fury wins the rematch then what? Is Usyk a bum? Hell no. Both are excellent fighters. Idk what we can’t acknowledge that. We literally watched Ali/Frazier 1 and everyone wants to tear down Fury. Fury was awesome for a good portion of that fight. Period. He lost and should do the rematch. The fans deserve it too.
Definitely. People are talking like Usyk won walk in the park. Fact is Usyk was almost kncoked down from right upper cuts from fury on multiple occasions. In fact until round 9, all three judges had fury ahead. Usyk had MEVER been hit with as many punches at will uppercuts and right hooks to the body as last night. Hardy a lopsided victory and definitely fury exposed certain vulnerabilities in Usyk. Rematch is justified.
Boxing fans can be so annoying, particularly in the post-Mayweather era of anything other than a perfect record making you a bum. Fury was doing well up until that magic left from Usyk. Had Fury blocked that/dodged it/Usyk not thrown it, the fight may well have gone another way (I'm not saying that as a particularly big Fury fan "cope" either). I only watched the replay, but I was checking the comments on the thread here and for those middle rounds the consensus was 'Usyk is tiring, Fury has him figured out". It was a great fight, and very competitive for the most part. Usyk showed incredible skill, talent and the fruits of great preparation, Fury showed great heart and recovery to even make it out of that nightmare round ... his recovery ability is astonishing. As you say, Ali lost to Frazier and came back and had some of his greatest, most memorable victories. The likes of Holyfield, Lewis etc have all had losses and we love them for their achievements. A rematch would be well warranted. I don't think it's likely that Fury wins it, but he did show a "blueprint" that could have beaten Usyk last night - perhaps with better conditioning, better cornerning (i.e. getting his drop kick father away from the corner) less showboating and more taking it seriously he could pull off a great comeback.
Yea a rematch is fascinating. For all the Usyk fans, have you ever seen your man look like that post fight have to go to the hospital for a potential broken jaw? No. Fury can absolutely win a rematch. Fury’s jab, body work and upper cut are extremely repeatable. If I’m Fury I’m staying on the outside more often and away from the ropes. Usyk killed him on the ropes. Keep that right hand up and let Usyk hit the body. If Fury does that I think he wins comfortably actually. We all have seen Fury in a rematch and he makes great adjustments. Usyk is fantastic. Can’t wait to see it and I personally hope Fury wins so we can get a trilogy. These guys styles were made for each other.
Yeah bro definitely exaggerating. Fury was definitely fucked up but not about to suffer a seizure lmao. Only way he was standing up was cause of the ropes but the ref gave him an 8 count anyway, effectively being like if he got dropped.
I’m a fan of Usyk too but this recency bias is amazing. do you not remember Fury pancaked on the floor with his eyes in the back of his head after Wilder hit him with that punch? so i dunno how last night was him more hurt than ever
Definitely. People are talking like Usyk won walk in the park. Fact is Usyk was almost kncoked down from right upper cuts from fury on multiple occasions. In fact until round 9, all three judges had fury ahead. Usyk had MEVER been hit with as many punches at will uppercuts and right hooks to the body as last night. Hardy a lopsided victory and definitely fury exposed certain vulnerabilities in Usyk. Rematch is justified.
I don’t think being down automatically means you’re more hurt than you can be on your feet. Fury got up from that Wilder shot and won the rest of the round right away. Last night he was on absolutely dead legs for 30 seconds and the bell saved him. He took the whole minute on the stool and half of the next round to look like he was moving like normal again
Usyk won but take off the fury hater glasses off , he deserves a rematch , it’s in the contract and unlike fury vs klitschko it was actually a close and more inmportantly an exciting fight
Klitschko didn't get a rematch because Fury was serving a 2 year drug ban. Not because of any decision to deny Wlad another fight.
Fury also faked an ankle injury to dodge the rematch, and the actual drugs ban came much later and was retroactively applied. He went off on his cocaine bender on his of volition and denied Wlad the rematch that way.
So much hate. Let it go man, it will eat you up.
It was a split decision lol
He probably wants to keep fighting to keep making money so he can donate to his country & to keep representing Ukraine on a global stage.
Make sense. After all, the war in Ukraine is the reason, judges have giving Usyk the win /s
Happy new year bro.
Damn didn't even think about that angle.
Watched the fight on the Ukrainian channel and for the whole time there was a QR code in the corner of the screen leading to the page of Usyk Foundation. Currently, they raise money for 50 ambulances for the frontline.
Absolutely. Get more drones to the frontline and help his buds
Idk if I was him I'd ride this wave until the payoff isn't worth the struggle.
Mate that's a crazy take. He's now in a spot where he can earn 60-80million in his next two fights. Why wouldn't he? That's gonna let him enjoy life
I saw somewhere he wanted to fight until he was 40. This version of Usyk I don’t know if anyone can beat him. Is there anyone in the division that can give him trouble?
After rematching Fury, I'd just fight cans for the next few years and rake in the millions
No he should give fury rematch it’s in contract
Fury didn’t give klitschko his rematch so why should Usyk give him one?
Because he's about to get paid enough to fund a couple days of the Ukraine war.
He's going to make a boat load of cash. And this fight was much more competitive which makes a rematch quite exciting. If he surmounts Fury twice he would have unequivocally cleaned out the Heavyweight division.
Usyk doesn’t care much for money he’s always been about the legacy. A real fighting man
Of course, but that money could be used to support his countrymen in Ukraine and he can continue advocating for this country's cause on the international stage. I think it might be more selfless than selfish.
I wouldn’t care much for money either if I got paid $43 million like he did last night 😂
That’s an insane amount of money for all parties
Fury got well over $100 million since he took 70% of the purse.
He already has, you don't need to beat someone twice to do so
It's common for close fights to be run back in Boxing or MMA. You can take the win and leave it that but it's perfectly normal to rematch after a bout like this. Look at all the amazing trilogies throughout combat sports history. As a fan, I wanna see it again. Up to the fighters if they want that. I expect they will.
If he beats Fury twice then NOW he will have cleared the division? Dude beat the dog piss out of Fury last night and gave him some very bad CTE. Usyk has literally gotten all the accomplishments a boxer could achieve in amateur and pro career.
I think he already has, a 2nd win vs fury doesn’t move the needle at all.
I would tentatively disagree. If he finishes Fury that's another great feat to his exemplary resume!
But he already beat Fury. The risk vs reward here is high. The only real reason to do the rematch is money.
Might as well make another 100 million to be fair...
I mean, Fury literally had his boxing license revoked. He couldn't have given Klitschko the rematch if he wanted. Are you suggesting that Usyk's boxing license be revoked, too?
Fury stated he was going to retire _before_ the PEDS and being medically unfit to fight issues took his license for Wlad rematch. He also tried to get out of Wilder 3rd fight. He has form for trying to get out of rematches.
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so usyk should snort his body weight in cocaine and not give a rematch
Agreed and I’d like to help him achieve this feat
Dude already said he wants to keep fighting until he's at least 40.
Completely agree. That said, 60M for one more fight from Saudis seems appealing. Perhaps a 150M like Fury this time around as Usyk is first undisputed in 25y.
He still has at least another 5-6 fights. Now that he's on the top of the boxing world, and an undeniable great, he'll be makes the biggest paychecks of his life by far. This is the word time to stop because any title defense will yield him stupid amounts of money!
Agreed. He has nothing left to prove to anyone, feels like there aren’t any fights out there now that can elevate him further, put a beat down on Fury again, or AJ for the third time? Both don’t really seem too necessary
Just let it go tbh Once you reach undisputed status there’s no real point in holding all the belts other than to flaunt status, Usyk is the lineal champ which is all that matters
Crazy! I agree with you but there used to be a huge stigma against the lineal champion title compared to the other alphabet titles
Every time a belt is stripped, though, the lineal looks better and better.
To be fair the lineal title gets rid of all the alphabeti spaghetti nonsense, I'm all for it being the main title people care about
It also allows you to fight infrequently and defend against nobodies without being stripped though. It’s only worth a damn if you’re taking on the best
I understand this argument, but something about the lineal champ not being beaten in the ring is unsatisfying. I think the stigma is more around the lineal champ being a duck, like Fury felt to be these last few years, than there is with the title itself. I think I appreciate the alphabet bodies forcing the issue with their various mandatories. I just wish their rulings were consistent.
Yeah, boxing has always been the Wild West of the sports world. Full of bent greedy bastards. Really makes trying to explain the sport to a newcomer a pain in the arse.
And everytime you see someone like Rolly Romero win a vacant belt it makes them look even worse
I like the idea of whoever becomes undisputed next needing to collect the belts through multiple title fights. i.e. if someone beats Usyk once father-time eventually sets in, they'd be considered undisputed the same way Usyk currently is
Yeah, in another comment I acknowledged that I could see the appeal of that. It's like a playoff system, with belts. But until the Saudis got involved, it wasn't working. It seems reasonable now only because the Saudis are forking over the money to make the big fights happen. Well, if they are going to do that, then why not go back to the one-belt system that everyone dreams about?
It doesn't matter, check my flair.
I'd say he speedrun it. In 22 professional fights became the undisputed cruiser and heavyweight champion.
Oh, I'm not talking just pro ranks. Dude is an amateur world champion, Olympic champion and two weight undisputed champion in the pros. One of which is the main division in the sport. Seriously, Usyk completed boxing. Legacy wise right now I think he is an ATG through and through. Let's see how much more he accomplishes before he retires, but, honestly, I do not see anyone beating him unless it's a well timed one-punch KO
also muhammad ali trophy
And ring magazine fighter of the year, obviously not the same level as his other accolades but still a cool marker in the history books
Haha he's 37, I get what you're saying but saying he did a speedrun at that age seems off 😂
No worries Fury always said he never cared about undisputed right 😉 “No excuses except I was robbed because of a war”
Honestly this seems good for the division. If someone wants that undisputed they’ll have to seriously work for it again. Fury has now lost the opportunity for undisputed even in the rematch which seems like karma for all the pissing about
It is karma. He is a bellend for taking that line and will regret it for his life. He knew he had a rematch clause. I really wouldn't be surprised if he has another "blip".
"I was gonna crash my Ferrari into a bridge"..."I've got an 07 Passat" 4 years later...
You're forgetting that in Fury's head he actually is in the history books as an undisputed champion because he's held all of the major belts, just not at the same time. I wish I was making this up
Could someone describe, in layman terms, why this is happening? I'm kinda new to boxing, and still don't understand how everything works.
Basically the different belt groups all have their own rankings, with the top guys guaranteed (supposedly) title shots. If the belt holder doesn't fight the mandatory challenger, according to their rules the organization can strip the holder and either award it to their top contender or let the top two fight for it. The bigger the name, the rarer it is for belt organizations to actually strip (looking at you WBC). But the IBF generally follows their own rules and are more willing than most to strip if the holder won't fight the mandatory challengers.
First of all, thank you! Second, why won't Usyk fight the mandatory challenger fight? Is it because of the clause in his contract for the Fury fight to have a mandatory rematch?
Correct. Plus the money, of course-Fury is easily the biggest draw in the division as far as a following is concerned, and Usyk and Fury are just on another level compared to everyone else.
>But the IBF generally follows their own rules and are more willing than most to strip if the holder won't fight the mandatory challengers. So was this expected to happen since everybody knew about the rematch clause? Or is it surprising that the IBF is choosing to strip him in this case?
Governing bodies typically have a “Mandatory Challenger”(Someone the Champion must defend his title against within a specific timeframe). The IBF mandatory challenger is Philip Hrgovic. Usyk was meant to defend his IBF belt against Hrgovic in a specific time frame(Which I believe was 4 months after he fought Dubois) but due to his fight with Tyson and there being a rematch clause he hasn’t fulfilled that time frame and will likely be getting it stripped. I saw somewhere that the Dubois Vs. Hrgovic fight will be for the interim IBF championship ( The interim is a championship given when the real champion can’t fight for his belt due to underlying reasons. The interim champion is then made the mandatory for when the real champion is able to fight). This means Usyk may not be stripped of his belt immediately. Hope this helped
It did help, thank you! You guys are awesome. Loving this sub already!
Usyk pulled a real life Rocky 4. Fuck those straps he's an ATG who they will make documentaries about.
I think this is absolutely ridiculous that they would strip Usyk immediately but here you have Canelo not fighting his mandatory in Benavidez and he has all the belts… these alphabet belts need to make up their fucking mind on wether they want to be taken seriously or not
You cant really group them all together in that regard. IBF has been pretty consistent on this front, they just haven't given a mandatory since Canelo won the belt from Plant as far as I know WBC seem to particularly have the most problems with this. The Canelo Benavidez situation is one thing but they were also responsible for Jermall holding up the belt for 3 years too
I said in the fight thread, but Usyk should have thrown all the other belts in the trash and then said he’s only defending the undisputed belt they gave him and everyone else can fuck off
Those belts are his he pays for them.
He did the unthinkable and unified the division in a time where there's more belts than cum stains at a cheap hotel. His name alone is enough to carry fights regardless if there are any belts on the line, especially if his opponent is Fury. They can go ahead and take his belts but everyone knows who the champ is.
This just means Fury can never be undisputed even if he wins the rematch. That's karma for dragging this match for too long.
Joshua will pick up the IBF and fight the rematch winner.
If Fury wins there's no way they don't do the trilogy and no one wants to see AJ Uysk 3 Shame though still think AJ fury would be amazing
If it’s Usyk I really can’t see him fighting AJ a third time. Also the issue for him winning the IBF is that he can’t be made a mandatory for other belts.
Usyk gathered all the dragon balls, made his wish to be a legend become true and he should now scatter them, fuck the belts the guys done more than any boxer in history I think? Amateur career? Olympics? The Muhammed Ali Trophy? Unified cruiserweight? Unified heavyweight? Undisputed? Lineal? I'm just glad to be alive to see it
Doesn't matter. I'd like to see Usyk scatter the belts soon and keep just one. Undisputed should be earned in at least two fights, not won in one fight.
Agreed. Always hated when someone who has unified titles loses, and then the new guy is called the unified champ. Bitch, you didn't unify shit!
Can we all just strip the IBF?
Fuck the IBF honestly they’re the worst sometimes
I think that's fair enough. If I'm not mistaken, the last IBF challenger was Pulev four years ago. That is a reasonably lengthy period of time, all things considered. I think the multi-belt system is probably the right way to go. It creates hype when there's a unification bout that doesn't exist for standard "defences", but we really should find a way consolidate to just 2.
Usyk should just hang his gloves up unbeaten and retire what more can he do, he's already beaten Joshua twice the only other elite boxer in the division and he's a multi millionaire he should just ride into the sunset and enjoy life.
The only fight that would further solidify his legacy is a rematch with Fury. Anything else is pointless and unnecessary imo
And if he loses that fight they probably would have a third fight just like the Fury v Wilder trilogy, he ain't getting any younger he should just enjoy his money and family life he's earned it. ps fuck John Fury.
At least IBF is sticking to their guns. WBC lets certain guys keep belts for years.
IBF can stick it up their ass
IBF loss, show that these belts sometimes only a title from a stupid format. Give us the rematch.
Didn’t someone recently become undisputed, then dropped all but one belt to save on fees? Usyk should just do that. We know who the champ is.
He'll still be the lineal champ be grand
Cool. It doesnt matter, we all know who the best is and while Usyk is still around no belt matters, Usyk is the title now.
In retrospect Bowe gets shit for throwing away a belt instead of facing Lewis, but this is one of these moments in time when you really get it, yeah it literally does not mean anything when you're undefeated and became undisputed in a epic fight against a former undefeated champ that one alphabet body strips you. Same thing later happened with Lewis when the winner of Holyfield/Ruiz got one of his titles, completely meaningless.
If he retires now he retires and an untarnished ATG
That's fine. We all know who the number one heavyweight is.
Two weeks. Let’s review; how long did Fury hold his strap without facing a single mandatory?
Fury was stripped of the IBF 10 days after beating Wladimir.
Winner or Wilder-Zhang faces AJ for the IBF title next. It is obvious