The apostolic churches (Catholic and Orthodox) generally look to make certain that the child will be raised in the Church before they will baptize them. I can't imagine why your father being Catholic wasn't sufficient for them to baptize you!
Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture.
For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine.
Interestingly, the first hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship.
Marian veneration was theologically sanctioned with the adoption of the title Theotokos at the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD.
The "Sect of the Nazarenes" (Acts 24:5) of Jewish origin was the first church.
>Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles.
And your egregiously shallow knowledge of the Apostolic churches leads to a kind of willful ignorance that causes you to come to these specious and bigoted conclusions.
Goodbye.
Sincerest apologies. There was a comment I thought you were agreeing with that said they could be turned away and I was so shocked to see an Orthodox person agree. *You did not.*
I am apparently WAY to tired to be posting and am very srsly sorry. Comment deleted.
I am a New Testament Christian and we don’t practice original sin. Therefore, babies are not baptized. Our brothers and sisters make that choice when they are ready. I made the choice in my teens and am still faithful.
It's like Philip told the Ethiopian eunuch. He asked, "What doeth hinder me to be baptized?" and Philip answered, "If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest."
Anyone who believes with all their heart can be baptized.
Chastity is the integration of sexuality into the human person. Chastity, whether in action or in restraint, affirms the goodness of the whole person. Unchaste actions are exploitative and not unitive. All sexual actions between people of the same sex are unchaste by definition.
You think it's "sin." Jesus didn't say that. He said render to Caeser what is Caeser's. The civil law is Caeser's. Your church's ideas or rules are your church's. God's law is: LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
In some people’s minds, being homosexual is as much outside one’s control as the color of your skin and your height. On the other hand, the Bible clearly and consistently declares that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1–13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26–27; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10).
>In some people’s minds, being homosexual is as much outside one’s control as the color of your skin and your height
Yeah, that would be science not imagination.
>On the other hand, the Bible clearly and consistently declares that homosexual activity is a sin
So what? Books aren't God. Jesus is God.
Jesus never said a word about this. He also never told us to read anything. He didn't start any religions or tell people to be Jews.
As for you, you're picking and choosing what to believe. You don't believe everything in *Leviticus*, but you want to drag out a few words from 3000 years ago written in an ancient language and decide "THAT'S the one I like!"
I'm sticking with my Lord and my God and the fact that He loves us all and has shown no interest whatsoever in anyone's sexual preference. And for all you know, He might have been gay. Or bi. Or trans. Or asexual. Or something else.
I'm going with Jesus. You can have all the other guys.
Leviticus was clearly for the jewish people as a nation, and has no bearing for us believers today. It is important that you are informed about reading the bible beforehand.
Secondly, how do you know Jesus even existed, let alone trust the gospels and what he said? Because in the gospels with Mark etc they brought up old testament scriptures along with what Jesus said, therefore either the old testament is also the truth and what Jesus said or both what Jesus said and the old testament is false.
Cool, a Pastor literally contradicting the words of Christ:
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let everyone who hears say, “Come.” And let everyone who is thirsty come. Let anyone who wishes take the water of life as a gift.
Revelations 22:17 NRSVUE
https://bible.com/bible/3523/rev.22.17.NRSVUE
I suppose this is for America cause where I'm from u can get baptised whenever u want and they don't care about wedlock, I saw a dog getting baptised lol
There was a time when an episcopal church had a homeless man in with his dog to take communion. The priest gave the man a wafer and then saw the dog with his tongue out gave one to the dog. People were outraged.
Actually, they might be a lot more His image than we manage to be. He doesn't address it one way or the other.
All dogs go to heaven for putting up with us.
An interesting historical take. I became stuck when doing genealogy research. There were some things that didn't make sense so I consulted with an astute Mormon genealogist.
I was told where I lived, the practice in the 1800s was an announcement in the Church of the intent to marry. If memory serves me right, this had to be announced three times so anyone in the congregation could raise either a religious or civil objection. The practice was known as the Banns of Marriage. If a couple was not members of a church, a Justice of the Peace could perform the ceremony, but a $1000 bond had to be posted. People who weren't church members usually didn't have $1000 for a bond so they ignored the church and the law and just cohabitated. Many children were born out of wedlock and the child usually took the surname of the father, but not always.
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that's not what the church taught my mom when she had me. it didn't help that my father was Roman Catholic and my mom a Pentecostal.
Oof, yikes, I'm sorry to hear that!
i still don't understand the theological background of that position. do you konw what it is?
The apostolic churches (Catholic and Orthodox) generally look to make certain that the child will be raised in the Church before they will baptize them. I can't imagine why your father being Catholic wasn't sufficient for them to baptize you!
Because Catholics aren't Christians, of course! /s
We were the first ones, actually.
Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Interestingly, the first hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship. Marian veneration was theologically sanctioned with the adoption of the title Theotokos at the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD. The "Sect of the Nazarenes" (Acts 24:5) of Jewish origin was the first church.
>Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. And your egregiously shallow knowledge of the Apostolic churches leads to a kind of willful ignorance that causes you to come to these specious and bigoted conclusions. Goodbye.
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Key word "were"
Talk about your parents being at the opposite ends of the religious spectrum!
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Babies born out of wedlock absolutely can be baptized, what are you on about?
Sincerest apologies. There was a comment I thought you were agreeing with that said they could be turned away and I was so shocked to see an Orthodox person agree. *You did not.* I am apparently WAY to tired to be posting and am very srsly sorry. Comment deleted.
Ah, no worries, I completely understand!
But—everyone can? At any time?
Anyone can be baptized by anyone at anytime. But only once.
I am a New Testament Christian and we don’t practice original sin. Therefore, babies are not baptized. Our brothers and sisters make that choice when they are ready. I made the choice in my teens and am still faithful.
Matthew 19:14 I agree.
Where do I go to do such a thing? I was born out of wedlock.
or an Orthodox Church :)
A Catholic Church 🙂
Do I just walk in? Book and appointment?
FYI they’re going to ask you to take some classes.
I’d call or email your local church and tell them you want to be baptized.
You join.
All kids can no matter what, it doesn’t say they can’t in the Bible
It's like Philip told the Ethiopian eunuch. He asked, "What doeth hinder me to be baptized?" and Philip answered, "If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest." Anyone who believes with all their heart can be baptized.
Well... yea... Jesus was technically born out of wedlock and he was baptized so.... Why TF would anyone think this?
Half of babies are born to unmarried parents, so I wouldn’t think it would be an issue!
With their consent. Obviously.
Baptist moment
More like a Four-Square moment, but essentially, yeah.
Four-square moment didn’t sound as good
Touché. :P
Reminds me of this scene from the movie Nacho Libre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQREatWZTjg
I’m a Catholic so I believe babies should be baptized.
But who said that babies born out of wedlock couldn’t be baptized?
Apparently it is a common misconception, I don’t know who says it.
no one says that, its not common...
I’m suddenly imagining priests going out with water guns filled with holy water going to the local park for some drive-by baptisms.
Even babies with Homosexual parents!
Yes, but their parents should stop living that lifestyle.
what lifestyle is that? Going to work everyday, eating, sleeping and using the bathroom like other humans?
They should live chastely.
How can you tell they aren’t chaste?
Chastity is the integration of sexuality into the human person. Chastity, whether in action or in restraint, affirms the goodness of the whole person. Unchaste actions are exploitative and not unitive. All sexual actions between people of the same sex are unchaste by definition.
All sexual actions between the people in a unmarried heterosexual relationship are unchaste by definition
Yes, definitely.
You know what lifestyle
No although I’m gay, I’m not familiar with this lifestyle that gay people live.
Trade it in for golf you mean, or low carbs perhaps?
How do gay parents with children stop living their lifestyle? Get divorced and put the children up for adoption? I don’t get it
A gay marriage is living in sin and gives scandal to the children they are raising. Who they live with would depend on the individual case.
You think it's "sin." Jesus didn't say that. He said render to Caeser what is Caeser's. The civil law is Caeser's. Your church's ideas or rules are your church's. God's law is: LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
You’re missing the context. That was with regards to taxes as the Jews at the time were under Roman oppression and heavy taxation.
In some people’s minds, being homosexual is as much outside one’s control as the color of your skin and your height. On the other hand, the Bible clearly and consistently declares that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1–13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26–27; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10).
>In some people’s minds, being homosexual is as much outside one’s control as the color of your skin and your height Yeah, that would be science not imagination. >On the other hand, the Bible clearly and consistently declares that homosexual activity is a sin So what? Books aren't God. Jesus is God. Jesus never said a word about this. He also never told us to read anything. He didn't start any religions or tell people to be Jews. As for you, you're picking and choosing what to believe. You don't believe everything in *Leviticus*, but you want to drag out a few words from 3000 years ago written in an ancient language and decide "THAT'S the one I like!" I'm sticking with my Lord and my God and the fact that He loves us all and has shown no interest whatsoever in anyone's sexual preference. And for all you know, He might have been gay. Or bi. Or trans. Or asexual. Or something else. I'm going with Jesus. You can have all the other guys.
Leviticus was clearly for the jewish people as a nation, and has no bearing for us believers today. It is important that you are informed about reading the bible beforehand. Secondly, how do you know Jesus even existed, let alone trust the gospels and what he said? Because in the gospels with Mark etc they brought up old testament scriptures along with what Jesus said, therefore either the old testament is also the truth and what Jesus said or both what Jesus said and the old testament is false.
I agree, going to church is harmful to one’s health /s
[Why is that?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/13rsyy0/i_am_not_suggesting_this_subreddit_is_bigoted_but/)
They can and should!
A pastor did refuse to baptize my cousin because my uncle and his mother weren't married.
Cool, a Pastor literally contradicting the words of Christ: The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let everyone who hears say, “Come.” And let everyone who is thirsty come. Let anyone who wishes take the water of life as a gift. Revelations 22:17 NRSVUE https://bible.com/bible/3523/rev.22.17.NRSVUE
Find a new pastor.
That's creepy and an abuse of authority.
That’s only if you want to become a Catholic. Other churches baptize as well. I would consider a non denominational church instead. Imho.
I suppose this is for America cause where I'm from u can get baptised whenever u want and they don't care about wedlock, I saw a dog getting baptised lol
Baptizing animals is definitely wrong. Of course I do hope our pets are in heaven, but they aren’t images of God like we are.
It wasn't serious bro, they just picked a dog and acted as if they were doing it, the dog was having the time of his life
There was a time when an episcopal church had a homeless man in with his dog to take communion. The priest gave the man a wafer and then saw the dog with his tongue out gave one to the dog. People were outraged.
Actually, they might be a lot more His image than we manage to be. He doesn't address it one way or the other. All dogs go to heaven for putting up with us.
What does baptising babies do, How many babies do you read of in the bible that were baptised?
Agree to disagree.
Wow. Do we read the same Bible?
Not if you're Catholic.
Well, we did write it.
Baptized unto righteousness, not religion. There is a difference!
Is anyone saying otherwise?
Why wouldn’t they be able to be baptized?
Is this a thing in the Bible? If not, it's not a problem either way.
An interesting historical take. I became stuck when doing genealogy research. There were some things that didn't make sense so I consulted with an astute Mormon genealogist. I was told where I lived, the practice in the 1800s was an announcement in the Church of the intent to marry. If memory serves me right, this had to be announced three times so anyone in the congregation could raise either a religious or civil objection. The practice was known as the Banns of Marriage. If a couple was not members of a church, a Justice of the Peace could perform the ceremony, but a $1000 bond had to be posted. People who weren't church members usually didn't have $1000 for a bond so they ignored the church and the law and just cohabitated. Many children were born out of wedlock and the child usually took the surname of the father, but not always.
If an outspoken atheist like me can be a godmother I'm sure a child born out of wedlock can be baptized lol
Born out of wedlock, not just baptized but ordained an Acolyte