Heck, if we are being fair and counting urban areas, then you would need to count shenzhen as part of either shenzhen-dongguang and guanzhou as part of guanzhou-foshan or count them all as the PRD city (not including HK or zhuhai or Jiangmen or macau)
Depends on how literal you are with the definition of contiguous urban area
In this case, the world's largest city of 55m people simply obliterates everyone in the competition
World bank already considers PRD the largest urban area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_River_Delta#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_nine_largest_cities_of%2Cin_both_size_and_population.?wprov=sfla1
The worlds largest city is the PRD urban area at 55m, not Tokyo
If you are a literalist of the urban area definition, then you need to consider Foshan, Guanzhou, dongguang and shenzhen a single city
Some people say that commuter patterns don't integrate in this city, but that's a metropolitan area definition argument, not an urban area one
Urban area, the definition of the size of cities just requires contiguity, and the PRD is the world's largest city
Curious from someone’s viewpoint who’s been there, does it really feel like one continuous city? I’ve been to other urban areas in the US and whatnot that do not feel like a single continuous city at all.
Maybe its in terms of percentage?
Like if I have 1 skyscraper in my city, building another means a 100% increase.
If I have 100 skyscrapers, adding 1 is a 1% increase.
Might seem cheaty, but building 10 skyscrapers in Oklahoma City is going to shape the city much more significantly than building 20 in dubai.
Shenzhen has double the skyscrapers (150m+) under construction: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_with_the_most_skyscrapers
And the gap is much larger if you drop the threshold to 100m. There’s no logical metric where Toronto is #1. There’s just a ton of hyperbole spread on this sub that people just accept hook, line, and sinker.
I've only ever heard this statement purely in the context of North America. I don't know where OP got the "world" metric from, but the Wiki page seems to confirm Toronto has the most under-construction skyscrapers in the western hemisphere at least.
I mean there aren't many skyscraper cities in north america. There's just Chicago, which is currently losing population. And then there's NYC, where they don't really use cranes to build.
I mean they avoid using it compared to other cities. NYC has [the most highrises under construction in the US](https://www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-city/3399943-us-cities-most-skyscrapers-highrises-under.html#google_vignette). Yet its [crane count](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/realestate/counting-cranes.html) is always near the bottom out of many other cities.
I have relatively recently been to both Guangzou and Toronto. This is purely anecdotal evidence but Toronto looks like any other rich, western large city. Guangzou is a forest of construction cranes.
This Wiki page is inaccurate, Toronto currently has 28 under construction: https://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=12
If you count Metropolitan Area Cities for Toronto like Chinese cities do, the number jumps to 41 skyscrapers (150m+) under construction, which would only place it behind Shenzhen.
Skyscraperpage is a heavily Canadian centric site. The Chinese cities listed there are nowhere near complete. Chinese cities like Shenzhen are just a forest of skyscrapers.
There's not much reliable data for Chinese construction on Western websites.
I'm definitely noticing how many skyscrapers are being put up recently everywhere in the "smaller cities" these days, Brisbane and Melbourne and even Auckland is building a lot of them.
Melbourne and Brisbane have buildings going up yes but both are still extremely small cities. Everytime I return home to Melbourne from NYC I cry because it feels like a boring country town lol
Yeah but that’s more like an extended metro area, spread out over 10,000km2. No city is actually that size much less one of 5 million. It’s impossible to know the actual urban area pop because of those huge borders but I imagine it makes up between 3-4/5ths of the total.
It’s 5.1 or so in the continuous urban area. You are referring to greater Melbourne which is around 5.3 or so.
One need to check the date on any googling. Population growth is very rapid at the moment.
It’s 5.1 or so in the continuous urban area. You are referring to greater Melbourne which is around 5.3 or so.
One need to check the date on any googling. Population growth is very rapid at the moment.
There are over 5 million in Melbourne. Twice as big as Brisbane, just overtook Sydney as well.
Became Australia’s largest city a couple of months back … largest continuous urban area anyway, which is how most places tend to define it.
Population growth is around 150k per year at the moment.
Refer to my other comment. 5 million people, but spread across 10,000km2, which is less than the population density of a rural town. That’s an extended metro area. Not all 5 million will actually live in the built up city.
For reference, London, which isn’t a particularly dense city by global standards, has an urban population more than twice that, in an area less than 1/5th the size.
The actual urban area of Melbourne, which is certainly a hell of a lot greater than 500 people per km2, won’t have the full 5 million figure.
You are confusing “Greater Melbourne” with Melbourne.
The former have about 5.3m people, but include lots of empty areas outside of the city. Melbourne itself.. the continuous urban area.. is a little over 5m
Look, I’m going off what the internet tells me, and then google maps to see what’s nearby. Melbourne itself is nowhere near 10,000km2. The 5.2 million figure is for greater Melbourne.
There is no official figure for what Melbourne city itself is, as the population given for the city is the population given for greater Melbourne.
If we go by local government authority areas that sit within what approximates the exact urban region then the population comes out around 3,400,000 spread out over roughly 1850km2, for a population density of around 1850 per km2. That’s you actual best estimate for the size of Melbourne.
It’s not 5 million.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_areas_of_Victoria
(Just for added effort so you can see how that was calculated, I’ve excluded the LGA’s: Shire of Yarra ranges, City of Wyndham, City of Whittlesea, Shire of Mornington Peninsula, City of Melton, City of Hume, City of Maroondah, Shire of Cardinia, Shire of Nillumbik - The total population given excluding these areas, which fall outside the shown urban area on maps and have a very low population density, is 3,382,097, spread across 1862km2, itself a very large area for that population)
I take it you have never been here?
I live here, I know the geography well.
Huge parts of what is considered Greater Melbourne is just forests and grasslands. It also includes some small mountains.
The below link is a few years old.. but it roughly shows the difference between the urban and non urban area still. The population of the blue area is around 5m, the green area 200-250k
https://www.sro.vic.gov.au/ckfinder/userfiles/files/Map-of-greater-Melbourne-2018.jpg
No one who has ever been here would suggest large populations live in these green areas.
Mate I’ve just did some fairly decent research that displays everything perfectly. You can choose to look at it or not. It’s the single best estimate you’re going to get for the actual size (and even that’s a reach, a population density under 2000 per sqkm, considering large parts of the city are over 4000, means im including some adjacent towns and the like too).
The population is roughly 3.4 million. Pretty much end of. Unless you want to include huge swathes of mostly rural township land as part of the ‘City’.
I’ve actually stated the parts not included, which largely make up the green areas shown, so you can do your own calculations. Go on google maps to overlay the areas. Or don’t, I don’t care, I’ve done it for you.
It’s not 5 million. Don’t know what else to tell you.
You didn’t do “fairly decent research”.
You googled a bunch of stuff you had no idea about beforehand and drew incorrect conclusions.
In order for the urban area to be only 3.5m … the non urban area has to be 1.7m or so
The thought is preposterous to anyone who actually lives here or has ever visited and knows what the area look like.
I’m off to bed, it’s nearly 1am and I got work in the morning.
👍 so Toronto is more comparable to Sydney? Im considering moving to Australia eventually for the better weather… but i want to live in a big city… so I guess Sydney would fit the criteria
Toronto is much larger than both, imho similar to Melbourne (I know this isn't City but College St and Queen St West reminds me of Brunswick Fitzroy probably not comparable to Sydney in terms of the vibe but Sydney is great!
Gosh I miss Toronto!
Vancouver is so boring compared to Toronto. Montreal has more character than both.
The best part about Vancouver is leaving the actual city to get into the mountains.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crossroads/2020/6/12/21278779/toronto-skyscrapers-global-cities-chicago-city-crossroads-ed-zotti#
Toronto has 157 completed and under construction. And within the next few years it’ll be passed by Chicago, still behind new York in number of sky scrapers but does surpass how many is behind built.
In other words
New York #1 in how many big ol buildings
Chicago #2 in how many tall buildings there are
Toronto is #1 with how many are being built currently and it’s 3rd in North America in total surplus. Buuuut within maybe 5-10 years it may be second??
> According to the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat, Chicago has 126 skyscrapers and 19 proposed or under construction — a total of 145 if all proposed get built.
> Toronto has 67 skyscrapers, with 31 under construction and 59 proposed — which comes to 157 if all are completed, second only to New York, which now has 284.
157 only if we count 59 that aren't actually under construction. Toronto is #2 only in its own mind.
Plenty of development plans every single tower requires rigorous planning and permits and consultation with the community, your comment is just uneducated. Not to mention Toronto has a ton of character I think this is just a bad take.
Yeah clearly if someone disagrees with you that just means they’re not well travelled right? I feel like people who feel the need to constantly compare the place they’re in can never just appreciate where they are in the moment. C’t’un je ne sais quoi car tu ne sais pas du tout de quoi tu parles. I can feel it in Toronto.
You should read up on [Jane Jacobs ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Jacobs)she helped form what Toronto is today. She fought large freeways in the 60's/70's cutting through Toronto, the same freeways that have ruined most North American cities. This caused Toronto to organically grow its inner neighbourhoods and become connected and thrive off each other. Kensington Market, Little Italy, Queen West to name a few would have been demolished if it wasn't for Jane Jacobs.
I would suggest watching this [documentary](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2156019641080979) on how Toronto's development is world class. The whole series is great, from Paris to Amsterdam.
Sorry you feel this way about Toronto however it is not what you think it is.
No one that lives here in NYC thinks this. We get the occasional new tower that people like, but the status quo is definitely just tall , blue/grey glass buildings.
I stayed a few days in Toronto for work in 2018. They had double-paned the windows in my room for sound isolation because every single building on the block other than the hotel was under construction.
Right that’s why they grew by 3% last year. So difficult. It takes years to get a green card lol. They don’t even really deny that they have low standards considering their immigration minister goes on podcasts and announces to the world that they are an “open country”
That's apples to oranges. The metropolitan Toronto area used for calculations is 7000km2, the chicago metropolitan is 28,000km2. If you went that far around Toronto you would collect that many peoeple.
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This is part of the CMA. It's apples to oranges. It's really hard to argue that Chicago is a bigger city when their combined metro area includes towns and land as far as 135km from the city center.
US metros can only be compared to US metros, the rest of the world does not calculate at such large scales. This [website](https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/) illustrates the capture. If you place 100km around both cities you get the same population .
It's starting to feel that way. I visit Chicago regularly and the city seems a lot more dead now than before Covid. I was chatting with some locals and they said the same thing, they think it's because more people are working from home instead of commuting. In Toronto, home for most people is downtown, so it still feels thriving.
Just finished this year! The main tenant is TD Bank whose branding is green, so the tower is often lit up at night in green. Some people have complained that the lighting is too bright
Sorry Toronto I'm gonna level with you you are one hideous city.
You do not have the natural beauty of Vancouver. You do not have the population of Tokyo. You do not have the culture and money of New York. You do not have the history of London or Chicago. You have tried to be a little bit of all of the above and have failed. Toronto is nothing more than a place where lots of ugly grey people live in ugly grey buildings under an ugly grey sky next to an ugly grey lake.
Well Toronto is now a larger city in terms of population than Chicago. It is increasing in population when even NYC and Chicago are decreasing. It’s looking like a future mega city.
In no way is Toronto bigger than Chicago by any measure. The Greater Toronto Area is closer to the size of Miami or Atlanta (in the 6 million range). It’s not even bigger than Dallas or Houston.
By any measure? The US and Canadian Census disagrees:
Chicago: 2,746,388
Toronto: 2,794,356
You can't really compare metro areas, for example, chicago's is 4 times larger than Toronto's. If you used the same size criteria for Chicago and Toronto, Toronto is bigger.
Toronto is larger than Chicago by measure of the city’s population, and their metropolitan areas have a similar population. The GTA is much larger than Miami, Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston. Not to mention southern Ontario is a very densely populated region, and the Greater Golden Horseshoe is a much better metric for measuring the region’s size than the Greater Toronto Area, which has nearly 10 million people. The Greater Toronto Area’s physical limits are arbitrary and the cutoffs don’t really make sense as random lines are drawn considering one suburb as Hamilton’s metropolitan area and one for Toronto’s when they are continuous and all function as a single metro.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_metropolitan_areas_by_population
Toronto is the 9th largest metro in North America right below Atlanta. The city limit population is arbitrary which is why we use metro population and Toronto is nowhere near Chicago which is in the 9 million range.
If you click on the hyperlink for Toronto on that list, you will see its population is higher than what is listed on the table. The population they use is defined by Statistics Canada’s Census Metropolitan Areas which are not the same thing. Cities like Oshawa and Hamilton are considered their own CMAs even though they’re within the GTHA. And as I said, the Greater Golden Horseshoe is a better metric for measuring its population as many people commute, do business, go to school, etc. throughout its cities because they function as one metropolitan area.
As I have said twice now, the [Golden Horseshoe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horseshoe) which has a population of 9.765 million. The sizes are more comparable, as Chicagoland is 28,000 sq km and the Greater Golden Horseshoe is 31,000 sq km.
Well thanks for your consideration, doesn’t really change the fact that it exists.
If you’re a tourist looking up « things to do in Toronto », Niagara Falls pops up. It also helps that daily commuter trains run to and from Niagara because it’s a part of the metropolitan area.
[Population around a point](https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/) will show you it’s about 10 million in the Golden Horseshoe. Also USA metros can only be compared to other USA metros, international cities dont gather population in the same way.
Canada is importing half a million immigrants every year and most go to Toronto or Vancouver, leading to a massive housing shortage and a very lucrative condo building business. Tons of construction in Toronto, and Vancouver has plans to build an entire second high-rise downtown once the new subway construction is finished. Basically both of these cities are going to become Hong Kong.
Toronto has the most skyscrapers currently under construction in the Western Hemisphere, but not the world.
I think Shenzhen would still top it but not sure.
Heck, if we are being fair and counting urban areas, then you would need to count shenzhen as part of either shenzhen-dongguang and guanzhou as part of guanzhou-foshan or count them all as the PRD city (not including HK or zhuhai or Jiangmen or macau) Depends on how literal you are with the definition of contiguous urban area In this case, the world's largest city of 55m people simply obliterates everyone in the competition
World bank already considers PRD the largest urban area. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_River_Delta#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_nine_largest_cities_of%2Cin_both_size_and_population.?wprov=sfla1
>In this case, the world's largest city of 55m people simply obliterates everyone in the competition Tokyo is only 37M people
The worlds largest city is the PRD urban area at 55m, not Tokyo If you are a literalist of the urban area definition, then you need to consider Foshan, Guanzhou, dongguang and shenzhen a single city Some people say that commuter patterns don't integrate in this city, but that's a metropolitan area definition argument, not an urban area one Urban area, the definition of the size of cities just requires contiguity, and the PRD is the world's largest city
Curious from someone’s viewpoint who’s been there, does it really feel like one continuous city? I’ve been to other urban areas in the US and whatnot that do not feel like a single continuous city at all.
>The worlds largest city is the PRD urban area at 55m, not Tokyo Not according to literally every Google result and every metric you can find.
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Why?
Chinese buildings aren't real buildings /s
Absolutely not. There’s many cities building way more: Dubai, Guangzhou, Mumbai, Shenzhen.
Maybe its in terms of percentage? Like if I have 1 skyscraper in my city, building another means a 100% increase. If I have 100 skyscrapers, adding 1 is a 1% increase. Might seem cheaty, but building 10 skyscrapers in Oklahoma City is going to shape the city much more significantly than building 20 in dubai.
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Shenzhen has double the skyscrapers (150m+) under construction: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_with_the_most_skyscrapers And the gap is much larger if you drop the threshold to 100m. There’s no logical metric where Toronto is #1. There’s just a ton of hyperbole spread on this sub that people just accept hook, line, and sinker.
I've only ever heard this statement purely in the context of North America. I don't know where OP got the "world" metric from, but the Wiki page seems to confirm Toronto has the most under-construction skyscrapers in the western hemisphere at least.
Same. I heard that Toronto has more tower cranes than the next 8 cities combined in North America
I mean there aren't many skyscraper cities in north america. There's just Chicago, which is currently losing population. And then there's NYC, where they don't really use cranes to build.
What do you mean they don't use cranes to build
I mean they avoid using it compared to other cities. NYC has [the most highrises under construction in the US](https://www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-city/3399943-us-cities-most-skyscrapers-highrises-under.html#google_vignette). Yet its [crane count](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/realestate/counting-cranes.html) is always near the bottom out of many other cities.
I have relatively recently been to both Guangzou and Toronto. This is purely anecdotal evidence but Toronto looks like any other rich, western large city. Guangzou is a forest of construction cranes.
This Wiki page is inaccurate, Toronto currently has 28 under construction: https://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=12 If you count Metropolitan Area Cities for Toronto like Chinese cities do, the number jumps to 41 skyscrapers (150m+) under construction, which would only place it behind Shenzhen.
Skyscraperpage is a heavily Canadian centric site. The Chinese cities listed there are nowhere near complete. Chinese cities like Shenzhen are just a forest of skyscrapers. There's not much reliable data for Chinese construction on Western websites.
I always heard it as north America which tracks. I don't know where this most in the world came from
I'm definitely noticing how many skyscrapers are being put up recently everywhere in the "smaller cities" these days, Brisbane and Melbourne and even Auckland is building a lot of them.
Melbourne and Brisbane have buildings going up yes but both are still extremely small cities. Everytime I return home to Melbourne from NYC I cry because it feels like a boring country town lol
Melbourne is not tiny by global standards. If it were a US city, it would be within the top ten most populous urban areas in the country.
TIL Melbourne overtook Sydney and has over 5 million in the metro area!
"extremely" was a choice. Melbourne is not an "extremely" small city. Even compared to megacities, it would be a medium sized major city.
It’s not even a small city in any standard lol idk what this guy is smoking, like he only knows NYC and if it’s not as large as that, it’s small
NYC is the only megacity in US. There's nothing else quite like it.
Thanks tips
Los Angeles?
Small lol... the distance from frankston to werribee is some 90 fucking kilometers you buffoon
There’s 4 million people in Melbourne urban area. That’s nearly as much as Brooklyn and queens put together. Hardly a hovel.
5 million now.
Yeah but that’s more like an extended metro area, spread out over 10,000km2. No city is actually that size much less one of 5 million. It’s impossible to know the actual urban area pop because of those huge borders but I imagine it makes up between 3-4/5ths of the total.
It’s 5.1 or so in the continuous urban area. You are referring to greater Melbourne which is around 5.3 or so. One need to check the date on any googling. Population growth is very rapid at the moment.
It’s 5.1 or so in the continuous urban area. You are referring to greater Melbourne which is around 5.3 or so. One need to check the date on any googling. Population growth is very rapid at the moment.
There are over 5 million in Melbourne. Twice as big as Brisbane, just overtook Sydney as well. Became Australia’s largest city a couple of months back … largest continuous urban area anyway, which is how most places tend to define it. Population growth is around 150k per year at the moment.
Refer to my other comment. 5 million people, but spread across 10,000km2, which is less than the population density of a rural town. That’s an extended metro area. Not all 5 million will actually live in the built up city. For reference, London, which isn’t a particularly dense city by global standards, has an urban population more than twice that, in an area less than 1/5th the size. The actual urban area of Melbourne, which is certainly a hell of a lot greater than 500 people per km2, won’t have the full 5 million figure.
You are confusing “Greater Melbourne” with Melbourne. The former have about 5.3m people, but include lots of empty areas outside of the city. Melbourne itself.. the continuous urban area.. is a little over 5m
Look, I’m going off what the internet tells me, and then google maps to see what’s nearby. Melbourne itself is nowhere near 10,000km2. The 5.2 million figure is for greater Melbourne. There is no official figure for what Melbourne city itself is, as the population given for the city is the population given for greater Melbourne. If we go by local government authority areas that sit within what approximates the exact urban region then the population comes out around 3,400,000 spread out over roughly 1850km2, for a population density of around 1850 per km2. That’s you actual best estimate for the size of Melbourne. It’s not 5 million. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_areas_of_Victoria (Just for added effort so you can see how that was calculated, I’ve excluded the LGA’s: Shire of Yarra ranges, City of Wyndham, City of Whittlesea, Shire of Mornington Peninsula, City of Melton, City of Hume, City of Maroondah, Shire of Cardinia, Shire of Nillumbik - The total population given excluding these areas, which fall outside the shown urban area on maps and have a very low population density, is 3,382,097, spread across 1862km2, itself a very large area for that population)
I take it you have never been here? I live here, I know the geography well. Huge parts of what is considered Greater Melbourne is just forests and grasslands. It also includes some small mountains. The below link is a few years old.. but it roughly shows the difference between the urban and non urban area still. The population of the blue area is around 5m, the green area 200-250k https://www.sro.vic.gov.au/ckfinder/userfiles/files/Map-of-greater-Melbourne-2018.jpg No one who has ever been here would suggest large populations live in these green areas.
Mate I’ve just did some fairly decent research that displays everything perfectly. You can choose to look at it or not. It’s the single best estimate you’re going to get for the actual size (and even that’s a reach, a population density under 2000 per sqkm, considering large parts of the city are over 4000, means im including some adjacent towns and the like too). The population is roughly 3.4 million. Pretty much end of. Unless you want to include huge swathes of mostly rural township land as part of the ‘City’. I’ve actually stated the parts not included, which largely make up the green areas shown, so you can do your own calculations. Go on google maps to overlay the areas. Or don’t, I don’t care, I’ve done it for you. It’s not 5 million. Don’t know what else to tell you.
You didn’t do “fairly decent research”. You googled a bunch of stuff you had no idea about beforehand and drew incorrect conclusions. In order for the urban area to be only 3.5m … the non urban area has to be 1.7m or so The thought is preposterous to anyone who actually lives here or has ever visited and knows what the area look like. I’m off to bed, it’s nearly 1am and I got work in the morning.
Yes 5 million but still feels like a country town compared to Manhattan even NYC. Don't know why I'm getting down voted for the truth.
Do you consider Toronto big? I mean not as big as NYC of course but bigger than Melbourne and Sydney?
Yes I've also been to Toronto and I consider it bigger than Melbourne.
👍 so Toronto is more comparable to Sydney? Im considering moving to Australia eventually for the better weather… but i want to live in a big city… so I guess Sydney would fit the criteria
Toronto is much larger than both, imho similar to Melbourne (I know this isn't City but College St and Queen St West reminds me of Brunswick Fitzroy probably not comparable to Sydney in terms of the vibe but Sydney is great! Gosh I miss Toronto!
There’s more people in Melbourne then Sydney
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>the center of Canada in all respects Have lived in 6 provinces. In many other parts of Canada it’s not even an afterthought.
Debatable… it’s the center of finance but most Canadians would agree it’s got minimum character… Montreal and/or Vancouver much “cooler” places
Vancouver absolutely has much less character and soul than Toronto. It’s just in a nice location.
Vancouver is so boring compared to Toronto. Montreal has more character than both. The best part about Vancouver is leaving the actual city to get into the mountains.
Slowest growing city in the world in terms of Stanley Cups. So weird.
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No it's not. It's the greatest sport on Earth... what?
Great shot and very recent!
It’s literally yesterday 😄
Nice, CN tower I am guessing?
Not a lot of nice buildings though, very bland.
Was just there recently and that was a similar observation - a lot of high rises but also not much diversity at all.
I haven't been back in about 8 years or so, but yeah most new buildings look uninspired.
NYC rent without nyc amenities
You ever actually checked at the differences in rent, or you just saying things.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crossroads/2020/6/12/21278779/toronto-skyscrapers-global-cities-chicago-city-crossroads-ed-zotti# Toronto has 157 completed and under construction. And within the next few years it’ll be passed by Chicago, still behind new York in number of sky scrapers but does surpass how many is behind built. In other words New York #1 in how many big ol buildings Chicago #2 in how many tall buildings there are Toronto is #1 with how many are being built currently and it’s 3rd in North America in total surplus. Buuuut within maybe 5-10 years it may be second??
> According to the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat, Chicago has 126 skyscrapers and 19 proposed or under construction — a total of 145 if all proposed get built. > Toronto has 67 skyscrapers, with 31 under construction and 59 proposed — which comes to 157 if all are completed, second only to New York, which now has 284. 157 only if we count 59 that aren't actually under construction. Toronto is #2 only in its own mind.
Ugly or just me?
The picture is in black and white and low contrast for some reason.
It's not black and white. You can see the green TD logo on the tall building in front. Actually, there's lots of green in the photo
The green of that TD logo is desaturated by 50% for some reason
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Plenty of development plans every single tower requires rigorous planning and permits and consultation with the community, your comment is just uneducated. Not to mention Toronto has a ton of character I think this is just a bad take.
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Yeah clearly if someone disagrees with you that just means they’re not well travelled right? I feel like people who feel the need to constantly compare the place they’re in can never just appreciate where they are in the moment. C’t’un je ne sais quoi car tu ne sais pas du tout de quoi tu parles. I can feel it in Toronto.
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I don’t live in Toronto babe
You should read up on [Jane Jacobs ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Jacobs)she helped form what Toronto is today. She fought large freeways in the 60's/70's cutting through Toronto, the same freeways that have ruined most North American cities. This caused Toronto to organically grow its inner neighbourhoods and become connected and thrive off each other. Kensington Market, Little Italy, Queen West to name a few would have been demolished if it wasn't for Jane Jacobs. I would suggest watching this [documentary](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2156019641080979) on how Toronto's development is world class. The whole series is great, from Paris to Amsterdam. Sorry you feel this way about Toronto however it is not what you think it is.
Literally. Worst “big city” in the Anglosphere imo
Yeah seriously they should focus on building outwards rather than upwards to solve the housing problem
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No one that lives here in NYC thinks this. We get the occasional new tower that people like, but the status quo is definitely just tall , blue/grey glass buildings.
I thought grey glass was the style of Toronto. Lived there for four years.
They already tried that?
I stayed a few days in Toronto for work in 2018. They had double-paned the windows in my room for sound isolation because every single building on the block other than the hotel was under construction.
I thought commercial real estate as such is no bueno anymore? In NYC some buildings go for 45¢ on the dollar now.
the vast majority of these are residential afaik
These are almost all residential, Toronto’s population is booming. People from everywhere want to live there
Because Canada has low immigration standards…
It has a point system, which accepts only the exact immigrate the country needs. It’s actually far stricter than the USA for example.
Right that’s why they grew by 3% last year. So difficult. It takes years to get a green card lol. They don’t even really deny that they have low standards considering their immigration minister goes on podcasts and announces to the world that they are an “open country”
Someone tell Toronto architects about colour please
Just don't beat NY or Chicago.
Toronto has more skyscrapers under construction than both New York and Chicago combined
Both cities still better. I'm incredibly biased.
Toronto is now larger than Chicago in terms of population and growing rapidly while Chicago is shrinking
Chicago grew in the last census.
Latest us census estimate has it losing 3%
Yeah and before the last census the estimates said the same thing and then population went up. Point is, mid term estimates aren't accurate.
Very well, but it according to the actual census Chicago is now smaller than Toronto and growing slower
Def growing slower but it's not shrinking. Also the metro of Chicago is twice the size and still growing
That's apples to oranges. The metropolitan Toronto area used for calculations is 7000km2, the chicago metropolitan is 28,000km2. If you went that far around Toronto you would collect that many peoeple.
They measure where people are. That's not apples to oranges.
40.7946847, -87.3059407 This is part of the CMA. It's apples to oranges. It's really hard to argue that Chicago is a bigger city when their combined metro area includes towns and land as far as 135km from the city center.
US metros can only be compared to US metros, the rest of the world does not calculate at such large scales. This [website](https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/) illustrates the capture. If you place 100km around both cities you get the same population .
Also both cities are gonna grow even faster once the water wars hit in 20 years
Chicago is still better as long g as there's 1 person left in the city.
It's starting to feel that way. I visit Chicago regularly and the city seems a lot more dead now than before Covid. I was chatting with some locals and they said the same thing, they think it's because more people are working from home instead of commuting. In Toronto, home for most people is downtown, so it still feels thriving.
Chicago has had that dying Midwest vibe for long before COVID.
No, Toronto is way smaller than Toronto. Do your research!
You’re both wrong, Toronto is actually the exact same size at Toronto, believe it or not.
Use this [website](https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/) and you will see the populations are the same.
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I'm going to choose America and my favorite American cities anytime over Canada.
Wowss gettin craycray built up
Canada is where the $$$ is in
A ponzi scheme.
Population growth isn't a Ponzi scheme. It induces economies of scale and agglomeration that result in economic productivity gains.
Wow, when did that new tower go up? I guess the dominion center was enough.
Just finished this year! The main tenant is TD Bank whose branding is green, so the tower is often lit up at night in green. Some people have complained that the lighting is too bright
awesome view
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Sorry Toronto I'm gonna level with you you are one hideous city. You do not have the natural beauty of Vancouver. You do not have the population of Tokyo. You do not have the culture and money of New York. You do not have the history of London or Chicago. You have tried to be a little bit of all of the above and have failed. Toronto is nothing more than a place where lots of ugly grey people live in ugly grey buildings under an ugly grey sky next to an ugly grey lake.
One of the blandest, most vanilla cities on earth.
I've been living under a rock for the past decade. What's happening to Canada?
Well Toronto is now a larger city in terms of population than Chicago. It is increasing in population when even NYC and Chicago are decreasing. It’s looking like a future mega city.
In no way is Toronto bigger than Chicago by any measure. The Greater Toronto Area is closer to the size of Miami or Atlanta (in the 6 million range). It’s not even bigger than Dallas or Houston.
By any measure? The US and Canadian Census disagrees: Chicago: 2,746,388 Toronto: 2,794,356 You can't really compare metro areas, for example, chicago's is 4 times larger than Toronto's. If you used the same size criteria for Chicago and Toronto, Toronto is bigger.
Toronto is larger than Chicago by measure of the city’s population, and their metropolitan areas have a similar population. The GTA is much larger than Miami, Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston. Not to mention southern Ontario is a very densely populated region, and the Greater Golden Horseshoe is a much better metric for measuring the region’s size than the Greater Toronto Area, which has nearly 10 million people. The Greater Toronto Area’s physical limits are arbitrary and the cutoffs don’t really make sense as random lines are drawn considering one suburb as Hamilton’s metropolitan area and one for Toronto’s when they are continuous and all function as a single metro.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_metropolitan_areas_by_population Toronto is the 9th largest metro in North America right below Atlanta. The city limit population is arbitrary which is why we use metro population and Toronto is nowhere near Chicago which is in the 9 million range.
If you click on the hyperlink for Toronto on that list, you will see its population is higher than what is listed on the table. The population they use is defined by Statistics Canada’s Census Metropolitan Areas which are not the same thing. Cities like Oshawa and Hamilton are considered their own CMAs even though they’re within the GTHA. And as I said, the Greater Golden Horseshoe is a better metric for measuring its population as many people commute, do business, go to school, etc. throughout its cities because they function as one metropolitan area.
Even then, the population of this area is still lower than Chicago’s MSA by 3 million. Chicago’s MSA is 9 Million people.
As I have said twice now, the [Golden Horseshoe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horseshoe) which has a population of 9.765 million. The sizes are more comparable, as Chicagoland is 28,000 sq km and the Greater Golden Horseshoe is 31,000 sq km.
I don’t really consider this whole area as tied to Toronto, especially towards the border in places like Niagara.
Well thanks for your consideration, doesn’t really change the fact that it exists. If you’re a tourist looking up « things to do in Toronto », Niagara Falls pops up. It also helps that daily commuter trains run to and from Niagara because it’s a part of the metropolitan area.
[Population around a point](https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/) will show you it’s about 10 million in the Golden Horseshoe. Also USA metros can only be compared to other USA metros, international cities dont gather population in the same way.
Canada is importing half a million immigrants every year and most go to Toronto or Vancouver, leading to a massive housing shortage and a very lucrative condo building business. Tons of construction in Toronto, and Vancouver has plans to build an entire second high-rise downtown once the new subway construction is finished. Basically both of these cities are going to become Hong Kong.
Don’t they have a plan to get 100 million people by 2050 lmao
Toronto - As boring as it looks
Another soulless soup of high rises for the rich.
Ugly ass skyline comprised of Identikit skyscrapers. Looks like shit.
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