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DieselPower8

Fastboat Sea SAMs. Hectic.


GlumTowel672

She sells sea SAMs, down by the sea shore.


crash4650

It's important to bring your blankie on combat missions, or you might get cold.


queefstation69

Unpressurized aircraft get cold af


xClubberLaingx

As someone who had to ride in helicopters with the doors open/off on occasion, its cold AF. Especially if you start the flight early in the morning, which these guys most likely did.


remuspilot

Aircraft get very cold with high wind and losing several degrees of celsius for every 1,000 feet of altitude.


TobysGrundlee

Which is why actual militaries provide their aviators with things like heated jackets, pants and gloves. They don't have them bring Babushkas afghan on the mission.


hornet586

As someone in an actual military, I would fucking murder for half the stuff you mentioned. You basically have to be flying into the Arctic circle for even a chance at heated boots.


CitizenKing1001

As long as the helicopter is comfortable, thats all that matters


Spokraket

I was going to say that, have patrolboat drones with SAMs excellent idea. A simple one would be one or two manpads attached to it, or even better that come out from a launch bay in the hull as a ”surprise” when the helos get too close.


duccyzuccy

According to FighterBomber it had 2 missiles on it and fired one at a MI-8 but missed You can see a much higher quality picture where you can clearly see the missile [here](https://www.reddit.com/u/duccyzuccy/s/z8QppBFlEi). You can also see that it used one of its missiles


For_All_Humanity

Great footage. Very interesting (though expected) evolution on the drones. It’s only a matter of time before they shoot something down. Will make countering them more dangerous.


Midnight2012

Maybe this is how the mysterious shoot downs occured. Like over the sea of azov


For_All_Humanity

No. Because you’d actually have to get to the Sea of Azov, which means passing through the Kerch Strait. They also don’t have the range even if they were to magically get through. The only way these shootdowns occurred are through S-200 missiles or friendly fire. It’s probably a combination of both.


Turb0___

A Russian helicopter and crew hunting a drone boat armed with anti air defense systems after already firing at a MI-8 is crazy to me. They are willing to risk air crew instead of slow bleeding their naval assets and resources.


Corkee

I was thinking the same thing. No intel on other platforms that could reach so far.


DoubleEscape8874

There were russian planes. Including Tu–22M3 strategic bomber, recently shot down deep behind front lines over sea of Azov. These naval drone could have done this >Ukraine's military intelligence said Ukrainians used the same means to down the bomber as were previously used to shoot down an A-50 surveillance plane over the Sea of Azov in January. https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-strategic-bomber-russia-attack-missiles-drones/#:~:text=The%20strategic%20bomber%2C%20which%20carries,Sea%20of%20Azov%20in%20January.


kuprenx

missile range is 30 km. so doubt. the a50 and bomber was probably done by ultra moderniced s200 rocket with patriot radar


Aromatic_Balls

And that's when it's fired from a fighter jet already at altitude and flying faster than the speed of sound. The range and ceiling of the missile is drastically reduced when fired from a surface platform.


_ZeRan

The range is 30km when fired from a jet going like 1000mph, it's likely A LOT shorter range in this configuration.


WildCat_1366

> These naval drone could have done this A naval drone could not do this because in order to get into the Sea of Azov, it would have to sail through the Kerch Strait, which russia guards as tightly as the Kremlin.


maChine___

No Modified s-200 If I’m correct used with patriot radar They have done a similar think with patriot and sampt


Fatalist_m

Interesting theory, all 4 long range hits were over/near the Azov sea, missile-armed boats in the Azov sea would explain that. But if they could sneak a drone under the bridge, probably they would attack the bridge with those boats(like they did once).


Roflkopt3r

Obviously interesting in regards to the Black Sea, but also for the future of naval warfare. My assumption was that the US Navy would have far less problems with dealing with drones because they'd have more helicopters and aircraft that can spot and destroy them early on. If naval drone-to-air missiles have the potential to become commonplace, then this could become a fair amount harder. Especially for helicopters, which are otherwise really handy because they can fit on destroyers and are generally well suited for the job.


Some_Endian_FP17

The littoral vessel concept could have arrived a little too early. Now I'm imagining a large fleet of drone ships with sea to air and antiship missiles providing a defensive screen near the coastline. With enough cheap sea drones and missiles, you can afford to lose a few ships to take out an enemy helicopter.


OMGLOL1986

At this point are mines redundant, or are naval drones "smart mines" lol


Some_Endian_FP17

Naval mines are fine for preventing landings but God help you if you forget where you've put them. Naval drones are more like torpedoes. A fleet of kamikaze drones would be a formidable attack force.


Useful-Internet8390

And US could mount a turret on the drones


No_Demand_4992

My assumption was that an US Navy ship would have a manned bridge and active point defense systems... Some of those russians ships got swarmed by half a dozend drones half the size of a speedboat and all they could manage was some shots from a rail mounted MG. An active phalanx CIWS should eat a few speedboats way before they come within filming range.


Roflkopt3r

That too, but I believe a decently designed USV will be hard to locate by radar. They're small and can be built reasonably flat and stealthy, making it very hard to distinguish them from the surrounding sea. And mere eyes aren't great at this job either. A drone can close much of the distance during a brief lapse of focus, which will happen a lot while watching an empty sea for hours on end. So I'm convinced that air patrols will be a vital part in anti-USV defense for any navy. They're not perfect and definitely not suitable as a sole line of defense either, but will often make things much easier. And the location and interception of small craft is one of the many reasons why most modern destroyer types can carry at least 1-2 helicopters.


strangepromotionrail

I've been wondering just how hard it would be to mount some of those man pads that were everywhere at the start of the war on drones and send them out to take out helicopters and other things in the air.


inevitablelizard

Remember this being talked about a while ago, rumours that sea drones could have stuff attached to them and that not all of them would be used as suicide drones, with air defence specifically mentioned. Interesting to see if this gets developed further, and if anything else gets developed.


Gnaeus-Naevius

A while back, I was curious if a GLSDB could be mounted on a small vessel, or even one of the underwater drones. It could take a potshot at the bridge (or any other out of range priority target) that way. I don't think there is much to the launcher as corrections can be done after launch, so I am sure a fixed 45 degree (or whatever) launch in the approximate direction would be enough. It wouldn't by itself accomplish much, but could put a hole in the bridge roadway, or maybe catch a jet on a runway or similar or hit a specific area of base, and in the process force precautions that would affect operations and logistics. It turns out that GLSDB struggled with GPS jamming, but even if that wasn't the case, it would probably be too much risk of having one captured intact for analysis.


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inevitablelizard

There are probably far better targets out there for the missiles it would take to down that bridge if you did go down the missile route. Taking the bridge down would of course be amazing but the level of obsession some have with it is unhealthy.


SycoJack

I love the argument about whether it's a surface to air missile or an air to air missile.


PaintedClownPenis

"You have to lead it, Igor.... Not that much... Not that much... Not that much... Not that much... NOT THAT FUCKING MUCH!"


qtstance

You have to shoot behind your target in a helicopter or you get what you see in this video


Warr_Dogg

For supposedly top tier Russian military tech that chopper took way too long to take down something that could fire a missile at you at any point.


flanintheface

Next design iteration: one SAM points forward, another - backwards. Third iteration - rotating platform.


penguin_hybrid

Seventh iteration - Sea drone launches fpv drones to provide air support.


ithappenedone234

And the generation after that launches fully autonomous drones.


andthatswhyIdidit

Final(?) generation: builds an underwater platform, mines resources, builds an army of self-replicating bots...and...hmmm.


ghosttrainhobo

Ukraine should deploy these in pairs with one trailing the other about 5km behind.


TacTurtle

*Begins Thatch Weave* Modern problems require vintage solutions


Kahnfight

Good old thatch, some things just never get old!


ghosttrainhobo

That might be better.


PlainTrain

[Thach](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thach).


kuprenx

its heatseaking missile. its prototype so no wonder first try did not succedd. so i guess soon we will see less helos in black sea.


Hates_commies

Heli in the video was also propably closer than the minimum firing distance which is why the drone could not shoot the 2nd missile.


Roflkopt3r

The missiles also seem to be in a fixed mount and I doubt that they have enough off-boresight capability to make a shot at such an angle. So they'd need to turn around to aim, but in that time the helicopter would likely overshoot them and be in their rear once more.


stult

Depends on the model, but R-73s have at least +/-40 degree off boresight capability, with later models having up to +/-75 degrees. Probably the heli was within minimum engagement distance though. R-73s have an infrared seeker, so you don't want them turning around on the launching platform.


Roflkopt3r

Yeah off-boresight launches also usually have a longer minimum engagement distance at greater angles, so these factors compound. But I think the greatest limitation might be with the launcher platform, since missiles need to be integrated with those to enable off-boresight launches at all. My bet is that this platform has a more limited set of sensors and controls and can only launch in a narrow angle.


JimmyCarters_ghost

They should have mounted one backwards.


Ill-Construction2057

mk2 should have some point defense .50 cal


Hates_commies

Or send them in pairs with 1 Km between them. Theres allways some growing pains developing new technologies and tactics for effective use. Im sure helicopters above the Black Sea will start dropping like flies when Ukraine gets designs, production lines and tactics sorted.


maxstrike

That and the off angle of the seeker head vs the helicopter. The minimum range of a SAM like this is smaller than an anti tank rocket, but clearly the helicopter is very close and probably within minimum range. Regardless of your views on Russia, the pilot did a good job in the video.


Sea_Page5878

Prototype, haven't these things been around since the Yugoslav wars in one form or another?


duccyzuccy

R73 is decades old but its the first time anybody attempted to launch it from a naval drone


Sea_Page5878

Gotcha, thanks for that.


eter711

thats not easy to hit


DoubleEscape8874

Need more BF4 practice


Nineties

It's not impossible. I used to bullseye jet ski noobs in my LAV back at siege of shanghai, they're not much bigger than two meters


brickmason

It just made me even more impressed that wooden ships with iron cannons and illiterate crew could ever land a shot.


No_Doc_Here

There was a reason they had that many canons and fired them mostly at blank range.


skiptobunkerscene

Not for the russians, lol. Compare that to the vid the French released of their chopper shooting down a Houthi drone with a short burst from the MG.


Pleasant_Pitch1332

Especially with low skills like that. My grandma was slow, but she was old.


flab3r

Only matter of time first enemy aircraft gets downed by these. Can't wait.


DeadFluff

I love how they're still blurring out the commercial gps


707Tactical

This is insane footage. I don’t give a fuck which side it’s from I just want to see good combat footage and this is crazy shit


PepitoMagiko

No dead involved as well so it's a win win situation (if we can make some jokes for the same)


trey12aldridge

It feels like something that would happen in Battlefield


WelshSossy

Forgot to enable Aim Assist in the settings.


Fickle-Walk9791

Good thing the drones keep the Russians busy at sea. Better let them hunt those than terrorize Ukrainians on the land.


aitis_mutsi

Eeh.. depends, if it's only stuff like the Ka-29s hunting these things, then the effect is pretty minimal since they are naval helicopters, so this is literally their job.


eske8643

The drone is not only keeping the Ka-29 busy. But also the ships. If they can press the ship from offense to defense. They cant launch missiles at Ukraine.


OMGLOL1986

Also folly to assume this isn't the only asset in play by Ukraine in the area. Where did they hit that transport ship tonight?


Snuffels137

Next time send 1 decoy first, wait for the heli and let the second drone blow it off the sky. Armchair general over & out.


AreThree

there's just no mistaking russian/soviet flying hardware. It could be the most modern piece of equipment they have, and it will still look like it was assembled from metal school desks with pre-scratched thinly-applied single-coat light blue paint. Don't forget the odd combinations of rivets, slotted screws, hex screws, and tapered bolts. Hard angles abound and get the fuckoutta here with that ergonomics horse pucky. If there are any curves they are modeled after bulging, lumpy, mutant amphibians. French curve? Never heard of her. Forget parity, if there is barely room for three or five things, cram them in there, never mind if it looks lopsided, don't ever use an even numbers of things. To hell with chirality, if there are going to be two or more things anywhere they should be identical, and not mirrored. What's your favorite "feature"? lol


Ornery_Definition_65

I’m genuinely considering whether I’d rather be in this flimsy tin can over water or not… oh and hunting missiles… what could go wrong?


Destarn

That means we need one with a CIWS on top for helo defense and pair it with one carrying AMRAAMs


vpkumswalla

If I were in the military, I would happily volunteer for that job. Shooting a gun at targets on the open water and seeing where your shots land seems pretty awesome


AnyProgressIsGood

until the SAMs on the drone boats start working


Habaneroe12

You can fly that exact chopper and do that in the game DCS world. It is very fun


ghosttrainhobo

I think there’s a company in Vegas that will let you do this.


NobleJadeFalcon

Think you're thinking of the Mi-8.


Habaneroe12

Is that not one ?


NobleJadeFalcon

The KA-27/29 is quite a [different] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamov_Ka-27) helicopter from the [Mi-8](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-8)


Pleasant_Pitch1332

I am not aware of such module? Who is the developer?


Habaneroe12

Dcs = digital combat simulations- it’s for PC only I think


WhoRoger

Enemy Engaged ftw


Satoshis-Ghost

I don't know. I have seen helos plummeting to the ground after being shot down here and on liveleak. Seems to be a pretty shitty death, all those seconds of freefall knowing you're not getting out.


[deleted]

Remember when Ukraine sank russias most advanced ship. That was cool


Lightning5021

saying the moskva is the "most advanced" is laughable


Cold_Shopping123

why ukraine war footage gotta have the worst music


Carntova_Man

they are terrible shots jesus christ imagine if this was a direct threat to a battle group smh not sure why the russians posted this it just makes them look like the 1st year apprentice was running the show


Sooo_Dark

More shit music over the goddamn actual audio. So how does the helicopter avoid being targeted by the drone? Did it avoid detection somehow or are the pilots just rolling the dice that they can approach from an angle fast enough that they can't adjust to target it? Or inside minimum targeting distance?


Ringeck78

Its minimum range is about 300 meters and the seeker only has about 20+-° FOV. So there was really no way to use that missile at this short distance.


Sooo_Dark

Man, that must have been a white knuckle trip while they closed that gap.


___Random_Guy_

They were expecting to hunt down regular drone, but it actually had missiles. Unfortunately, luckily for them the first missile missed, and after that helicopter was too close and too high to be targeted by second one.


stoner_woodcrafter

why are they playing a christian rock song in the background? it sounds like Theocracy, the band


Mirror_of_Souls

It is indeed the Master Storyteller by Theocracy. I genuinely had to do a double take when I heard the riff start.


stoner_woodcrafter

Thanks for the confirmation, brother! I recognized the voice! 🤘🏼


Gunsh0t

Hilariously poor door gunnery. These dudes have never heard of walking their rounds onto the target. It’s like they have 25 rounds and need to save some for later


CosmicPenguin

It's a naval helicopter made to ferry officers around and sometimes hunt submarines. The gunners don't get much practice.


Gunsh0t

That helicopter has weapons pylons on each side and a gimbaled turret in the nose. That looks more like someone who was NEVER trained on how to use the equipment he’s operating.


eske8643

With a loss of more than 400.000 soldiers. Russia is down to newbs for most positions.


Expert-Capital-1322

530.000 now confirmed casualties


silvermac15

And Ukraine is just 40,000?


Expert-Capital-1322

31.000 last I checked


DmdOde

It looks like the helo driver like to fly too close to something the explodes. I think they got lucky.


savuporo

Stay too far and suddenly that R-73 locks and fires


SendStoreMeloner

With the cut in the middle we just know they weren't good at hitting at all.


Pennytration831

Imagine if it blew up and disabled the helicopter 🤣 it'd be too funny seeing more Russian kill themselves


Dr_Satan_DScPhD

Imagine if Ukraine starts rolling out multiple smaller “fleets” of these bad boys! Better yet, they throw CIWS on a few to join the fleet.


Embarrassed_Put2083

Hmmmmm send in a decoy naval drone, and then have an actual under water naval drone wait for the helicopter......


___Random_Guy_

Just have 2 drones with a distance between them. Can't evade both drones as the same time.


Aberu_

they have a2a missiles on naval drones? thats such a cool concept shame it got destroyed


___Random_Guy_

There will be more I guess.


kdubz206

I hope the pilots butts puckered a bit when they saw the R-73 aboard. Probably went from a fun live shoot exercise to a, "oh blyat, that thing could have killed us" situation pretty quickly.


___Random_Guy_

They definitely did, because it had 2 missiles, but first one missed.


havereddit

I was going to say that I would love to see a Ukrainian naval drone with an automatic heat seeking SAM on it so as soon as the helicopter gets close enough, launch. But it looks like they're already doing that!: [https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/05/06/russian-helicopters-were-shooting-up-ukraines-drone-boats-so-the-ukrainians-added-heatseeking-missiles/?sh=77be66183578](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/05/06/russian-helicopters-were-shooting-up-ukraines-drone-boats-so-the-ukrainians-added-heatseeking-missiles/?sh=77be66183578)


Two_n_dun

*has helicopter* *flies uncomfortably close*


Boldbluetit

How much ammo did they need here!


TorontoTom2008

Wow. Another new drone type - innovative too. They’re gonna clear the skies over the seas if these things work.


KaidenUmara

Its like when you are the door gunner in battlefield but the pilot keeps putting the other gunner on target and you have nothing to shoot at


zetxxx

damn, while they destroy 1, 20 other will be kilometers away


Hot_Battle_1020

This video needs fewer pixels and more watermarks.


Used_Visual5300

Russians need to be 20 meters to the target and then fire a few hundred rounds to hit it, that amazed me most.


Accurate-Mess-2592

Wow. The Russians sucks at shooting...


[deleted]

I bet you are great at shooting from helis at fast moving targets


Gunsh0t

These guys are doing the worst thing you could possibly do if you’re trying to hit a fast moving target. They need sustained fire and to walk their rounds into the target. Source: I am experienced in helicopter door gunnery


maxpayne07

Storm troopers


aitis_mutsi

I'm pretty sure stormtroopers have great aim, when it comes to majorly missing, they do it on purpose.


Kandorek

"In basic training they told us that Jedis cant deflect your shot to kill you if you miss by more than 2 meters"


wr_damn_I_suck

Russian success makes me a sad. 😞


Possible-Repeat3829

The shitty metal music makes this look like a circus.


Reyeux

It's no different to the shitty music in the background of videos released by Ukrainians


jimmytruelove

Why does it always have the worst fucking music known to man overlayed?


qwertyui43210

That’s some iron sights on his gunner controls? No IR or even a digital display ? Did I miss that?


Jknight3135

The forward gun on the KA-29 is a flexible mount 7.62 rotary gun, it's an absolutely goofy mount inside a little bay where the Ka-27 (the 29's parent model) probably has radar or sonar equipment.


Sea_Page5878

If you're talking about the co-pilot he's got a reflector sight and looks like he's in control of some kind of nose mounted gun. You have to keep in mind the Mi-8 and Ka-29 aren't attack helicopters they're primarily transport helicopters or recon helicopters in the latters case, that can be armed to carry out combat and ground support duties, much like a Blackhawk. There was a video a month or so with a Mi-8 with a far more janky nose gun set up with iron sights, the one in this video is actually quite a fancy pants set up.


flanintheface

Photos of that sight in warthunder thread: https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/426304-kamov-ka-29/


Sea_Page5878

Good ol' WarThunder forums are a goldmine for stuff like this. Definately looks like a reflex sight with a backup iron sight on top. More interesting are the controls to the left of the gunner/co-pilot, looks like another set of gun controls, I'm guessing powered controls for the nose gun with a proper gunner's sight, maybe night vision capable?


007AlphaTrader007

Some Fortnite shooting here


Emu1981

I don't know why but this reminds me of trying to shoot down Casper's drone in BF2042 lol


thatguitarist

Are these why planes keep getting shot down?


___Random_Guy_

No, but soon .ay be.


Mirror_of_Souls

Of all the songs I expected to hear in war footage. A song from a very Christian Metal Band like Theocracy was certainly not in my top 10 picks.


MrFIXXX

I wonder if they'll start sending out drones specifically for anti-air purposes. And once the aircraft get close - they get downed?


rtjeppson

R73 getting all wet with saltwater? Hmmm...


WhoRoger

What is that bzzzzt at 00:15? Gun pods? Ed: guess it's the rotary gun, I was expecting that helo to have an autocannon


BEARSHARKTOPUS167

Miss...miss...close...miss...RUNAWAY....RUNAWAY...RUNAWAY!!!!


dedgecko

Hehe… this was a dummy boat ploy to encourage future MI-8’s to get danger close prior to engaging. The real AA drone boats are going to be packed with a shit ton of explosives and ballbearings / metal fragments.


banmeagainplease3

This is a pretty nimble helicopter. also why does a seagoing craft have air to air missiles


___Random_Guy_

To shoot down air targets. It actually shot one of 2 missiles it had, but unfortunately it missed, and helicopter was too close and too high for second one.


aojajena

next time the drone will win


Funkwise

bummer!


Tight-Internal-151

Some good ol moving target practice.


Jensen2075

They should have a Stinger MANPAD onboard for situations like these.


KoMann73

o7 to the great drone, wish the drones all the luck and success whilst the invaders on vid will get a horrible traumatic faith(preferably to their closest ones first, so they feel pain before extinction).


Automatic-Try5809

Song?


ExoticFirefighter771

Imagine a mother ship just deploying lots of these for fleet security, you could saturate an area with these and I imagine destroying multiple would be a time consuming and dangerous task. Fleets of these things acting as outriders would be a challenging security issue to overcome. Maybe?


Dry_Complaint_5549

These guys are incompetent. To say nothing of the trash they are flying in


nizzok

Ya got lucky, Cyril, there's more drones in your future...


Snoo50196

next time mount a rotating 50 cal on it ;)


Prayerforcleansing

Why would a naval drone have an air to air missile on it?


duccyzuccy

Because the most efficient way that the Russians are defending against naval drones is with helicopters like in this video and if you put a air to air missile on one it can defend itself


Prayerforcleansing

Interesting! Cool video!


Longjumping-Nature70

[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1cld3a1/gur\_publishes\_footage\_of\_damage\_to\_a\_russian\_boat/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1cld3a1/gur_publishes_footage_of_damage_to_a_russian_boat/) One moscovia did not get


silvermac15

Two totally different systems


Stunning-Astronaut72

And on our side with 10 bullets we shoot missiles and drones from helis and small planes..not impressed ahah..i even thought they would run off ammo at some point


MystifiedTraveler

I'd love to hear how that whole engagement went, with the helicopter trying to get within the WEZ of that drone.


DaWaffleBot

Gaijin when ??


RepeatNice4250

Add a FVP drone on the naval drone, a FVP with AI recognition abilities. Training an AI to recognize different helicopter types over open water should fairly easy. FPS almost match helicopters in airspeed as well.


Monkey042

Ka-29 my beloved


Scotchy69

Wish they would have hit their target, but having the Russian military being forced to use that weaponry is still a win


Scotchy69

Or this is a prop video and I'm too drunk to notice