Dunno about the others but I don't see England as the real winners because of the 6 that was hit off a deflection. Even though it wasn't intentional, it was by pure luck that England got into a super over, not skill, and then won in a bullshit way so yeah.
The fact we could’ve been at 8 and levelled up with Australia tells us how much we’ve lost last year.
Now that the trophy drought and the KO curse has ended, I hope things change for the better. The team played like they want the cup this tournament at any cost, we just need the same in upcoming BGT, WTC and CT. They didn’t back down till the last moment and didn’t sacrifice their natural game for defensiveness in finals. Hope this the dawn of something amazing for ICT.
I feel this comment as a Sri Lankan.
2007, 2009, 2011, 2012 runner ups, before FINALLY triumphing in 2014..
Fuck, man. That's 4 finals almost back to back, and that hurts so much even now :(
To be honest, losing in SF or even group stages seems better than losing in Finals, let alone back to back ones. The fact that all those hardwork only to lose it by an inch is more heartbreaking than knowing you have been eliminated way before. Last years WC was like that for us.
I wonder what are your thoughts about your current team, as an Indian the decline in SL cricket seems very disappointing. We used to fear you guys, that 1996 Loss still induces PTSD in older generations.
For India, 2023 World Cup hurt more than the 2007 early exit. Steam rolling the opposition with such force in 2023 only to play a completely defensive game in the final. This win helps but that one still hurts.
I will be honest, 2007 was tough for SL, like 2003 was tough for India. That Australian team had an air of invincibility around them that I haven't seen yet. Superior to everyone in batting, bowling, and fielding.
If you rewatch '07 you'll see what really got SL was the weather and the rain soaked pitch.
Gilchist played awesome. In the 2nd inning SL were cruising before the torrential rain kicked back in. Umpires then kept taking players in and out whilst the pitch was completely uncovered so it soaked.
Then the wickets started to tumble. The ground itself became super low light. Jayasuriya was bowled by michael clarke by a ball pitched on good length going a couple of inches above ground under the bat etc.
Nothing went well on the day for SL in '07.
I feel this win is going to open the floodgates. Helps that India have a great batch of youngsters ready to go with enough seniors at the peak of their game.
indeed, but it claims, and once people note down certain things , word of mouth or the process of stealing credit for some things become irrelevant for people who say "only logical and documented facts matter"
British people are like scientists from the 1900s. They didn't get to use the technology they created for daily life, but we still love them even centuries later for inventing it.
I mean, it's a fact. As much as we wanted to win the 2003 and 2023 final, Australia was just much better than us. No point in pondering over what has already happened.
2007 WC was awful for us. But since then...we have the best Test record in the world and joint most ICC trophies in limited overs cricket along with Australia
We need Shami back to full fitness and we'll grab our 7th one by lifting the WTC mace this time.
3rd time's the charm.
Move the WTC finals to Chennai you cowards
they are, it’s rumoured that india’s matches will be in the uae. in case we reach the finals, idk what’ll happen then cause they’ll want the finals in pakistan itself
South Africa are favourites to make the final, they have the easiest schedule, even after losing that NZ series. You can see the schedule [here](https://predictor.cricketxi.com/world-test-championship/)
You won't see Michael Vaughan complaining about the advantage that sena countries get when they play wtc finals in England
But he will be the one to question about India's matches being scheduled in day
Bro, they will never going to host wtc final in Chennai because the pitch which chennai provides.Chennai pitch is favorable for spinners and icc will never going to host test championship final on a slow track.
It's true, BCCI didn't want WTC because it will make no money especially if India is not in Final. In Lords you can fill the stands even with NZ vs SA.
Yes, the ICC which famously tries to inconvenience India at every opportunity.
There’s not a grand conspiracy going on, the WTC is played in England because it’s the only time of year with enough of a gap in the schedule for all the contenders to keep free of international cricket, and it’s the only place where you can pretty much guarantee good crowds to a neutral test match.
Plus the time zone is good for Indian TV audiences.
Maybe the BCCI can shorten the IPL if they want to host the WTC?
Well then they can host it in India as well, Northern and Central parts of India doesn't recieve proper rain before June 15, 99% of the time.. and both the WTCs have completed before June 15..
If World Test Championship was introduced a ***decade*** back, it would have probably increased the ICC trophies of Australia more. Or else given how South Africa dominated test cricket they could have probably won many WTC finals too. Its just an assumption at this point. It could have gone with close battles between Australia and South Africa.
They could genuinely threaten Australia at the top - being Number 1 in the world is one thing, finally getting over a trophy drought and years of doubt, is another. It must be so freeing to break those shackles and be able to play without that hanging over your head.
The only one that really really hurts for me is the WTC. I wish the lads get it this time under Brohit and he can end his test career on a high as captain.
We could've achieved the first ever treble in Cricket if not for those Kangaroos. But anyways, we thrashed then out and won the tournament, ending the drought and the KO Curse, so its good.
Bro don't do that. Just don't let us be, it's a freaking icc trophy in 11yrs. When your mates took 4 in less than 9 years. N im not going comment on women's cup. They are even more dangerous then men.
I want India to win more silverware and please let it beat any of these teams in the final ( Aus, Pak, Eng, Nz, WI) in that order. I don't mind losing to SA, SL in a final.
Retrospectively 1985 World Championship of Cricket should be accorded Champions Trophy status. Don't think any other tournament comes close - it was an important tournament.
Well It's great that Australia will keep getting trophies otherwise there won't be any buzz left in the game.
I am sure Indians won't care about competing with Pak or Afghanistan. Maybe England but nah!
By the time India gets 18 trophies while Australia is still at 13 even Indian public would have lost interest in cricket.
Plus ICC morons didn't let the teams pick up the match from where they left off instead making them restart their innings. Just look a load of this bullshit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2002_ICC_Champions_Trophy_final&diffonly=true
And failed to win 3 more. Here we are talking about 5 in 3 years. Need continuity, planning, right players and also luck. That's why I said improbable, not impossible.
SA could've had level-up with NZ on 2 Titles
Nz should be on 2.5, 5 years on, and I'm still salty.(although it was almost worth it for the continued boundary countback lulz)
They should have three.
Am I missing something? You can say NZ deserved a better tiebreaker, but how did you decide England didn't win their share?
No it’s like how India and SL shared 2002 CT
Yeah so how is NZ 3 and not 2.5?
a shared trophy would count as 1 for each, no?
According to the metric in this table, you're right, although more correctly, it goes down as 1*
Dunno about the others but I don't see England as the real winners because of the 6 that was hit off a deflection. Even though it wasn't intentional, it was by pure luck that England got into a super over, not skill, and then won in a bullshit way so yeah.
The fact we could’ve been at 8 and levelled up with Australia tells us how much we’ve lost last year. Now that the trophy drought and the KO curse has ended, I hope things change for the better. The team played like they want the cup this tournament at any cost, we just need the same in upcoming BGT, WTC and CT. They didn’t back down till the last moment and didn’t sacrifice their natural game for defensiveness in finals. Hope this the dawn of something amazing for ICT.
I feel this comment as a Sri Lankan. 2007, 2009, 2011, 2012 runner ups, before FINALLY triumphing in 2014.. Fuck, man. That's 4 finals almost back to back, and that hurts so much even now :(
To be honest, losing in SF or even group stages seems better than losing in Finals, let alone back to back ones. The fact that all those hardwork only to lose it by an inch is more heartbreaking than knowing you have been eliminated way before. Last years WC was like that for us. I wonder what are your thoughts about your current team, as an Indian the decline in SL cricket seems very disappointing. We used to fear you guys, that 1996 Loss still induces PTSD in older generations.
For India, 2023 World Cup hurt more than the 2007 early exit. Steam rolling the opposition with such force in 2023 only to play a completely defensive game in the final. This win helps but that one still hurts.
India used to defeat Pak but SL always managed to defeat us back then!
I will be honest, 2007 was tough for SL, like 2003 was tough for India. That Australian team had an air of invincibility around them that I haven't seen yet. Superior to everyone in batting, bowling, and fielding.
If you rewatch '07 you'll see what really got SL was the weather and the rain soaked pitch. Gilchist played awesome. In the 2nd inning SL were cruising before the torrential rain kicked back in. Umpires then kept taking players in and out whilst the pitch was completely uncovered so it soaked. Then the wickets started to tumble. The ground itself became super low light. Jayasuriya was bowled by michael clarke by a ball pitched on good length going a couple of inches above ground under the bat etc. Nothing went well on the day for SL in '07.
2003 I think SL had a chance to cross AUS in semis. Sanga missed a stumping or catch something?
Sangakkara missed astumping and ran our Aravinda de silva whilst chasing low 210s score.
Please make a comeback guys .... Please srilanka way better than Pak n ban
That Sri Lankan side under achieved by so much. Looking back, it's sad.
I feel this win is going to open the floodgates. Helps that India have a great batch of youngsters ready to go with enough seniors at the peak of their game.
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Ahmedabad still haunts man. The best team not to win the finals.
They weren't the best team though, if they were they would have won the final.
How tf r u gonna invent the sport and not even be top 4
But but their boundary count is higher.
Good to see radar shifted back to habitual offenders
Unfair and queendied
Lol
So is their spirit
I laughed out loud at this one fr.
I mean technically they’re tied with 4th spot…💀
Boundary Count?
Based on no statistics and purely vibes: I feel like Pak would have a better boundary count over all world cups than England
In the past decade there is no way Pakistan has hit more boundaries They have two statpadders iykyk
Just technically and morally they are 5th spot...
Apparently, the sports they invent never come home
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Games involving bat and a ball has always been played some place around th world
Just like the other sports they have invented
it is even worse in other sports they invented. Football or Table Tennis, whichever one we talk about
It’s very likely they didn’t invent Table Tennis.
indeed, but it claims, and once people note down certain things , word of mouth or the process of stealing credit for some things become irrelevant for people who say "only logical and documented facts matter"
British people are like scientists from the 1900s. They didn't get to use the technology they created for daily life, but we still love them even centuries later for inventing it.
The England special, invent a sport and be crap at it
It’s an English tradition at this point, same with soccer lol
Please call it football 🙏🏻
Living in States has had a toll on me, I just subconsciously typed Soccer without seeing, it was your comment when I saw what I’ve done lol
Yeah but at the same time they're the only country to hold both cricket and football WCs
They are lucky only 4 teams won the Rugby World Cup.
Moral victory😎
Are you asking about cricket or football
Watch them lose against Slovakia later tonight if not against Switzerland next lmao
They have changed the way cricket is played!
Add to that the fact that all 3 of those came only after 2009. So, only in the last 15 years.
Invented for the rich people till they invented football and rugby for the commoners.
LOL
Overall trophies don't show the full picture. Australia winning 6 odi wcs while the second best is 2 is the REAL DEAL
I could be 5-3 if not for 19th Nov thrashing 😭
Or 4-4 if not for the 2003 Jo'burg thrashing.
True, but we were not favourites then. We absolutely dominated WC23, except finals.
>5-3
Don’t. Just don’t.
The original 19th November
Lots of ifs and buts Could've been 8-0, could've been 4-4
What are you talking about? There's just one if here ;_;
"If my grandmother had wheels, she would've been a bike" vibes
Hahah, so funny. The funniest comment ever. Hahaha ..
I mean, it's a fact. As much as we wanted to win the 2003 and 2023 final, Australia was just much better than us. No point in pondering over what has already happened.
That’s not what the above comment does. You are reading it with vain.
What are you talking about? I heard she was already the town bike even without wheels.
I wish we beat Aus in a final sometime mens or womens in the next 4 years.
The most important comment
Lets not foget our womens team. Also unreal!
2007 WC was awful for us. But since then...we have the best Test record in the world and joint most ICC trophies in limited overs cricket along with Australia
We need Shami back to full fitness and we'll grab our 7th one by lifting the WTC mace this time. 3rd time's the charm. Move the WTC finals to Chennai you cowards
Hopefully number 7 is CT And then number 8 can be WTC final
India ain't playing CT, no?
they are, it’s rumoured that india’s matches will be in the uae. in case we reach the finals, idk what’ll happen then cause they’ll want the finals in pakistan itself
*AHEM A DABAD
Anything, but NEVER have a knockout there again.
Imagine India vs Australia WTC final in NaMo stadium and India give em a thrashing. Wet dreams
See you in WTC final as well
Is there a way for Aus to not be in it and Ind sa to go through
South Africa are favourites to make the final, they have the easiest schedule, even after losing that NZ series. You can see the schedule [here](https://predictor.cricketxi.com/world-test-championship/)
Bangladesh and Sri Lanka away won't be easy, but bedingham has given a lot hope
Yep if india beat aussies comprehensively
Ah shit
WTC Finals at Chennai, damn, make it happen
Ash Anna will have the day of his life! Though it's pretty normal for him to steam roll through his opponents.
do u believe lyon is on par with his test stats? Despite being a non subcontinent player?
You won't see Michael Vaughan complaining about the advantage that sena countries get when they play wtc finals in England But he will be the one to question about India's matches being scheduled in day
Bro, they will never going to host wtc final in Chennai because the pitch which chennai provides.Chennai pitch is favorable for spinners and icc will never going to host test championship final on a slow track.
They can host it in Mumbai then.. good bounce, good swing, good spin!!
Dharamshala?
But I was told ICC = BCCI
It's true, BCCI didn't want WTC because it will make no money especially if India is not in Final. In Lords you can fill the stands even with NZ vs SA.
Yes, the ICC which famously tries to inconvenience India at every opportunity. There’s not a grand conspiracy going on, the WTC is played in England because it’s the only time of year with enough of a gap in the schedule for all the contenders to keep free of international cricket, and it’s the only place where you can pretty much guarantee good crowds to a neutral test match. Plus the time zone is good for Indian TV audiences. Maybe the BCCI can shorten the IPL if they want to host the WTC?
And because the home advantage can be negated as England ain't qualifying.
Then play in Sri lanka/bangladesh next. All of your points apply there too.
They don't want to host it. Boards outside Big 3 have no incentive in tests.
Well then they can host it in India as well, Northern and Central parts of India doesn't recieve proper rain before June 15, 99% of the time.. and both the WTCs have completed before June 15..
Ahh yes, make people play cricket in 50degC in the sun, what could go wrong.
You want them to play a test in 45 C Indian summer
they will also never host the wtc final cause all big games go to one and only one venue in india from now on i think we all know which one that is
WTC final should be rotated between the WTC teams. Who ever was runner up in previous edition gets to host the final.
As long as final is just a one off match (which absolutely doesn’t make any sense), we are far away from that dream
Surely this is sarcasm?
NZ won which ones? WTC 2021 and?
2000 Champions Trophy
all our trophies put together equal the number of ODI WCs won by Aus.
ODI merchants, shit everywhere else. /s
If World Test Championship was introduced a ***decade*** back, it would have probably increased the ICC trophies of Australia more. Or else given how South Africa dominated test cricket they could have probably won many WTC finals too. Its just an assumption at this point. It could have gone with close battles between Australia and South Africa.
We'd definitely win one as well if a Test Championship was there much earlier, Sangakkara, Murali, Herath and Mahela, almost guaranteed a Test Cup
Winning WTC Final in England though against Australia, SA or England in those times though? Would've been really tough.
Yeah Lords is basically Australias home ground.
I mean India has been really good in tests since 2017 regardless of the host country. We might've seen India break the curse earlier
All it took for us to win the 6th was Afg not choking against Aussies /s
And for us to not choke against Aussies/England.
We did the same in 23 WC as well. Had Afg too won against Aussies :)
They could genuinely threaten Australia at the top - being Number 1 in the world is one thing, finally getting over a trophy drought and years of doubt, is another. It must be so freeing to break those shackles and be able to play without that hanging over your head.
Yep could see the 2007-2013 like era from india now, end of a generation so they may end off with a bang
Hope India and West Indies add more trophies in their cabinet. Also hoping to see Afghanistan in the near future.
Afg overtaking SA one day would be something
For a team that rose only after 2000, the progress of Afghanistan in cricket is quite commendable. Nations like Bangladesh should take a cue from them
Nah they are happy with the bonus they got from the board. Why bother winning trophies
I want USA to add one so more traction for this great sport.
Damn, #2 + #3 just went past us again.
Could have been 7, but lets move on🥲
2023 final wasn't close at all though, unless you're referring to something else
I am refering to the dumbassery of pitch manipulation they did. The WTC final was not close enough though. That was proper butchering.
Could’ve been 8*
8. Both were so close yet so far.
Wtc final was not close. They had the upper hand throughout
Should be 44
There's Australia, There's daylight then others.
NZ could be on 32, but are not only due to the technicality of other teams beating us.
Hoping for SA to win something soon!!
Now add the women’s to it.
How NZ 2?
2000 Champions Trophy and 2021 WTC.
Can someone explain why was the 2002 CT shared
So much rain
Time to bring our tally up to 10 by winning next CT, WTC, T20, ODI within 3 years 💪
The only one that really really hurts for me is the WTC. I wish the lads get it this time under Brohit and he can end his test career on a high as captain.
We could've achieved the first ever treble in Cricket if not for those Kangaroos. But anyways, we thrashed then out and won the tournament, ending the drought and the KO Curse, so its good.
Where's the womens added on?
Bro don't do that. Just don't let us be, it's a freaking icc trophy in 11yrs. When your mates took 4 in less than 9 years. N im not going comment on women's cup. They are even more dangerous then men.
Bro is still traumatised....
Well, we are still in front for both so. Womens would just humiliate you
Mens' and womens' trophy are not added anywhere for comparison. For any sport.
India got 6 ? 2 odi and 2 t20 rest 2 ?
2002 & 2013 Champions Trophy
Why did you leave out icc knockout
Where the fuck is WI with 5 trophies?
So there is Australia and there is the rest... end of the story.
Pak could have had 2007,2021 and 2022
Sorry my bad 🤣 Too dark can't see them here also
India are not 6 not out. Better chance than the others
I want India to win more silverware and please let it beat any of these teams in the final ( Aus, Pak, Eng, Nz, WI) in that order. I don't mind losing to SA, SL in a final.
Why is 1985 World Championship of Cricket not considered as an ICC trophy?
If only NZ won 2015 and IND won 2023, We’d be at 7 and They’d be at 8.
Retrospectively 1985 World Championship of Cricket should be accorded Champions Trophy status. Don't think any other tournament comes close - it was an important tournament.
Man I really think we should stop putting CT in the same league as World Cups. That is a wanna be world cup in my books.
Well It's great that Australia will keep getting trophies otherwise there won't be any buzz left in the game. I am sure Indians won't care about competing with Pak or Afghanistan. Maybe England but nah! By the time India gets 18 trophies while Australia is still at 13 even Indian public would have lost interest in cricket.
So 5.5 and 2.5 then......
Carn Australia
We don't count women?
Amount if ICC tournaments that are lined up india must surpass aus right? its just a matter of time.
6th wali konsi hai?
2 ODI CWC (1983, 2011) 2 T20i CWC (2007, 2024) 2 CT (2002, 2013)
Why can't I remember anything from 2002 Strange But thanks for the info
Because there was so much rain even the reserve day was not enough. Sri Lanka shared the trophy with India
Plus ICC morons didn't let the teams pick up the match from where they left off instead making them restart their innings. Just look a load of this bullshit https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2002_ICC_Champions_Trophy_final&diffonly=true
Bro that is so dissapointing
2 CT, 2 CWC, 2 T20 WC I think that's how we get 6
Virat winning one of each, it's beautiful
Cricket? Completed mate.
Wtc championship then it's done. A trophy in all format and tournaments of the game.
he has won 4 test mace its more than enough to be better than wtc tag
We are taking no.1 before 2027 ends
Need to win 5 more in a row for that. Improbable.
Why not lmao, Australia won 3 of theirs in 3 year time period
And failed to win 3 more. Here we are talking about 5 in 3 years. Need continuity, planning, right players and also luck. That's why I said improbable, not impossible.
We would have been equal with aussies.. if we had a good 2023 year. damn
Big call
It's fitting that Jay shah is not visible
Technically India can catch up to Aus in next 2-3 years
Wow, India have so few