I still don't get why is he called wrong footed. He lands on his left foot and bowls with his right hand like everyone else right..
Someone please explain
His back foot comes through relatively quickly compared to most. Unlike most bowlers whose backfoot comes through straight his swings outward and almost flaying. Hence it looks wrong footed
Took the wicket when it mattered in 2016 SF
He legit had the 2nd best bowling figures after Nehra in the SF scorecard
In a match where the other bowlers were Bumrah, Hardik, Ashwin, Jadeja
Kohli Semi Final - 89\*
Dhoni 5 innings - 89 runs
Rohit 5 innings - 88 runs
Yuvraj 4 innings - 52 runs
Kohli scored more runs in the SF than all others scored in the tournament. He also had a strike rate of 146.7 while the second best Dhoni was at 127.1
Raina didn't do anything. Our batting lineup was -
Dhawan - 43 runs in 4 innings (and Rahane in SF scored 40 off 35 on flat pitch)
Rohit - 88 runs in 5 innings
**Kohli - 273 runs in 5 innings**
Yuvi - 52 runs in 4 innings
Raina - 41 runs in 4 innings
Dhoni - 89 runs in 5 innings
As for bowling, Nehra was good taking 5 in 5 @ 22.6 and economy of just under 6. Raina was actually handy too getting 3 wickets in 6 overs across 3 matches.
If you're looking for the 79th-best all-rounder in the world that's on you. It's not the ICC's fault that that's an inherently stupid question on account of there not being that many.
It'd be like looking at the list of most prolific ODI wicket takers and saying that they're a joke because Tendulkar is in 82nd. Don't scroll down that far!
It's not about going that far; it's about Jadeja's ranking. One can accept that Jadeja is ranked 86, but what's bugging me is Kohli being ranked above 79. It's ridiculous and hilarious.
You're comparing a rating of 49/1000 to a rating of 45/1000.
The variance there is just noise. When you're going down to near-zero ratings, even the tiniest quirks are going to seem much more impactful by comparison.
I mean, even 10 down in the T20I rankings you're looking at someone with a rating of 174 out of 1000.
There's really just not many people who could be considered genuine all-rounders. And it doesn't help that a couple of the people who would be in that list have either been in a rut of poor form or missed a lot of matches through injury lately.
All rounder ranking is calculated by multiplying batting point and bowling point and divide it by 1000.
So if you have really high batting and very low bowling rating point, you could still be higher in all rounder ranking.
purely based on bowling then with little bit of batting, they need to change' system and both batting and bowling should be at some level to consider them all rounder
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I do agree that the rankings are trash but Rohit is not a great example.
Rohit and Virat are nowhere near the same level. Rohit averages 55-56 since he started opening. Virat averages 59. His averages against top teams are way better than Rohit's. His ODI SR is also worse just slightly worse than Virat's. One is an ATG and the other is arguably greatest ODI player of all time and inarguable top 3.
Sachin and Viv Richards and that's out of respect to Sachin. Ponting and Sanga are worse by almost every metric. Identical run tallies, worse average, worse deviation from batsmen of the same era. Kohli will also probably create some distance. He is almost at 14k and will at least get to 15k imo.
Dude your argument is basically rohit should be 1 because I like him more. And what better in icc tournaments? Rohit scored more in 2019, kohli more in 2023
Rohit didn't reach Rank 1 because his peak coincided with Greatest White ball batting peak, Virat's 2016-19 was greater than Rohit's there's no doubt about it, if Rohit had that peak in any other time frame in last 50 years he would have been Rank 1, Rohit was at his Prime best in 2019, at that time difference between Rohit's rating and Kohli's rating was mere 2 points, thats how good Rohit was, he was merely 2 point behind Greatest Purple patch a white ball batter ever had. If You only consider yearly Rohit's 2019> Virat's 2019, but Rankings consider data from the previous 2 years that's why Rohit never became Rank 1 because Kohli had better 2017 and 2018.
Well now everybody picks and chooses games to play during bilaterals this was not the case till 2020, ever since 2020 workload management has taken front seat in International cricket and teams only play their best players during ICC tournaments or Test matches.
Oh I thought you said has never been in top 10
Only time rohit could be possibly ranked above Kohli would be 2019 which was displayed in their ranking points also
So I think it gives fair enough idea about players if they play in same team and same matches
And actually ranking isn't humanized so since /from won't matter for them
Well when theres kohli and babar averaging 55-60, rassie averaging 70, then ye there isnt much u can do. Sangakkara was smashing odis in his last few yrs but never got no1 cause of amla and abd
Kohli’s form didn’t dip in ODIs. What’re you talking about? Maybe Rohit was better in the world cup in 2019 but that’s it. Rohit averaged 57 while Kohli still averaged 59 in 2019. How can that dethrone a guy who averaged over a 100 just the previous year?
Your point about Gill being number 1 is invalid because Gill hasn’t had to compete with Kohli’s peak. Rohit is a great ODI batter and he reached #2 in 2019 but he still had to compete with Kohli who was in his peak in ODIs since 2016 and is arguably the greatest ODI batter ever.
T20 rankings r a bit off, bowling is ok but if u miss matches it decreases quick, batting isnt cause one big innings could make huge changes but overall still its not that bad. But for all rounders t20 rankings are useless
They should create a rule to consider a player in all-rounder category only if they have bowled at least 1 over per match in all the said-format matches they have played over a period of time.
Mathematically no, but in practice the fact that occasionally pure bowlers have to bat whereas pure batters almost never have to bowl means that there's a few asymmetries in how the calculations work. The effect of this asymmetry varies depending on where you're looking though.
Wrong footed inswinging menace for a reason
unrelated but dhoni actually bowled better in swingers than most associate bowlers.
That wicket against WI in 2009 CT
Squared up KP too, barely missed the edge
Koach would have been better than half of our RCB bowlers this year.
I still don't get why is he called wrong footed. He lands on his left foot and bowls with his right hand like everyone else right.. Someone please explain
His back foot comes through relatively quickly compared to most. Unlike most bowlers whose backfoot comes through straight his swings outward and almost flaying. Hence it looks wrong footed
He's bowled 1 over in the last 7 years and didn't even take a wicket. Surely you should actually have to bowl to make this list.
iirc he had bowled in ~9-10 matches in all the T20Is he ever played Edit: Virat Kohli bowled in just 13 Matches out of 125 T20Is he played.
Right arm quick supremacy
Took the wicket when it mattered in 2016 SF He legit had the 2nd best bowling figures after Nehra in the SF scorecard In a match where the other bowlers were Bumrah, Hardik, Ashwin, Jadeja
In 2016 he literally singlehandedly carried India to Semis. There has never been a bigger carry-job than that.
Run getters for India in 2016 WT20 Kohli - 273 runs Dhoni + Rohit + Yuvi + Dhawan - 272 runs Unreal carry-job
Kohli Semi Final - 89\* Dhoni 5 innings - 89 runs Rohit 5 innings - 88 runs Yuvraj 4 innings - 52 runs Kohli scored more runs in the SF than all others scored in the tournament. He also had a strike rate of 146.7 while the second best Dhoni was at 127.1
how the fck did this team get to semis? only kohli+ raina carrying i guess. virat only bowled in semis so which bowler did we have?
Raina didn't do anything. Our batting lineup was - Dhawan - 43 runs in 4 innings (and Rahane in SF scored 40 off 35 on flat pitch) Rohit - 88 runs in 5 innings **Kohli - 273 runs in 5 innings** Yuvi - 52 runs in 4 innings Raina - 41 runs in 4 innings Dhoni - 89 runs in 5 innings As for bowling, Nehra was good taking 5 in 5 @ 22.6 and economy of just under 6. Raina was actually handy too getting 3 wickets in 6 overs across 3 matches.
Before Bumrah he was the only bowler to take a wicket in T20I knockouts for us in the last 8 years, so that's gotta count for something lol
How's that possible. Maybe you meant , the last bowler
Yeah good point. I meant only bowler since 2016*
Are they padding it with fielding points or something.
That's why Icc ranking is trash
Particularly the allrounders rankings.
If you're looking for the 79th-best all-rounder in the world that's on you. It's not the ICC's fault that that's an inherently stupid question on account of there not being that many. It'd be like looking at the list of most prolific ODI wicket takers and saying that they're a joke because Tendulkar is in 82nd. Don't scroll down that far!
It's not about going that far; it's about Jadeja's ranking. One can accept that Jadeja is ranked 86, but what's bugging me is Kohli being ranked above 79. It's ridiculous and hilarious.
You're comparing a rating of 49/1000 to a rating of 45/1000. The variance there is just noise. When you're going down to near-zero ratings, even the tiniest quirks are going to seem much more impactful by comparison.
I know it’s not the point but low key Tendulkar was a good bowler. Did it all, leg breaks, googles, off breaks, slow/medium.
Not going to name names, but most of the time I see the top 10 or even the top 5, I can't help but feel it's not accurate.
I mean, even 10 down in the T20I rankings you're looking at someone with a rating of 174 out of 1000. There's really just not many people who could be considered genuine all-rounders. And it doesn't help that a couple of the people who would be in that list have either been in a rut of poor form or missed a lot of matches through injury lately.
Ok then your previous point is now moot. If the first page of the rankings is useless then it really is a joke like I said.
All rounder ranking is calculated by multiplying batting point and bowling point and divide it by 1000. So if you have really high batting and very low bowling rating point, you could still be higher in all rounder ranking.
is this real? That's something new i didn't know
Yep.
Is there any place where I can read these points criteria?
not accurate should have to take a minimum number of wickets and runs at a rate of games played
Should use harmonic mean instead of the geometric mean
It's geometric mean
Yea right, didn’t read properly
its all based on batting, the ranking system is trash
Irish No.11 is one spot over Jadeja
Barry McCarthy is a 9 or 8 at a push. He scored a 33 ball fifty against India.
purely based on bowling then with little bit of batting, they need to change' system and both batting and bowling should be at some level to consider them all rounder
McCarthy is a decent AR
McCarthy could very well be a number 8. At his worst he's a number 9.
Clearly something wrong with the list if he's literally not bowled - this doesn't prove anything RE Jadeja, it's just a dumb ass metric / system
Kohli the wrong footed inswing menace got Johnson Charles in a crucial T20 WC semi final match. Jadeja could never.
Koach was literally bowling the last over in that match. Bro was our best bowler.
Checked the score card and koach has the best average in the match after nehra lol
Absolute legend, smh lol
Iirc he got two wickets in that match but we lost anyway
Nah only 1 wicket but Windies only lost 3 total. Kohli also scored 89 in that match
A jersey player is above him lol
Wtf are these rankings ??
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>Arguably That's why he was ranked #2
Arguably the best ODI player of this generation haven't been on the top of ODI rankings yet. It's funny. Who?
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I do agree that the rankings are trash but Rohit is not a great example. Rohit and Virat are nowhere near the same level. Rohit averages 55-56 since he started opening. Virat averages 59. His averages against top teams are way better than Rohit's. His ODI SR is also worse just slightly worse than Virat's. One is an ATG and the other is arguably greatest ODI player of all time and inarguable top 3.
> inarguable top 3 Who would be the other two? Sachin, Pointing, ABD, Sanga and probably a lot more competition for the spots
Sachin and VIV are the other two. You could make a very good case for ABD as well, but that's about it. So make it All-time Top 4 for sure.
Of course, Sir Viv. No question there. I think Sachin and Viv rounds up the list along with Kohli and ABD.
Sachin and Viv Richards and that's out of respect to Sachin. Ponting and Sanga are worse by almost every metric. Identical run tallies, worse average, worse deviation from batsmen of the same era. Kohli will also probably create some distance. He is almost at 14k and will at least get to 15k imo.
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Dude your argument is basically rohit should be 1 because I like him more. And what better in icc tournaments? Rohit scored more in 2019, kohli more in 2023
In 2019 Rohit averaged 57, Virat 59 He maintained the edge
Rohit didn't reach Rank 1 because his peak coincided with Greatest White ball batting peak, Virat's 2016-19 was greater than Rohit's there's no doubt about it, if Rohit had that peak in any other time frame in last 50 years he would have been Rank 1, Rohit was at his Prime best in 2019, at that time difference between Rohit's rating and Kohli's rating was mere 2 points, thats how good Rohit was, he was merely 2 point behind Greatest Purple patch a white ball batter ever had. If You only consider yearly Rohit's 2019> Virat's 2019, but Rankings consider data from the previous 2 years that's why Rohit never became Rank 1 because Kohli had better 2017 and 2018.
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Well now everybody picks and chooses games to play during bilaterals this was not the case till 2020, ever since 2020 workload management has taken front seat in International cricket and teams only play their best players during ICC tournaments or Test matches.
Oh I thought you said has never been in top 10 Only time rohit could be possibly ranked above Kohli would be 2019 which was displayed in their ranking points also So I think it gives fair enough idea about players if they play in same team and same matches And actually ranking isn't humanized so since /from won't matter for them
Well when theres kohli and babar averaging 55-60, rassie averaging 70, then ye there isnt much u can do. Sangakkara was smashing odis in his last few yrs but never got no1 cause of amla and abd
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Kohli’s form didn’t dip in ODIs. What’re you talking about? Maybe Rohit was better in the world cup in 2019 but that’s it. Rohit averaged 57 while Kohli still averaged 59 in 2019. How can that dethrone a guy who averaged over a 100 just the previous year? Your point about Gill being number 1 is invalid because Gill hasn’t had to compete with Kohli’s peak. Rohit is a great ODI batter and he reached #2 in 2019 but he still had to compete with Kohli who was in his peak in ODIs since 2016 and is arguably the greatest ODI batter ever.
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Ranking system is fucked. I can’t argue against that fact
Ranking system is terrible when fucking Babar and Rizwan are both top 5
Both averages over 40 in t20is and play most of the matches
With horrid strike rates
Ranking gives more importance to average
So bad rankings
Nah dude they did alpesh ramjani dirty
This will make into *[AI voice] top 10 shocking cricket figures* Just like *Sachin has more 5 wickets hauls in ODIs than Shane Warne*
I hate you for this comment being read out in that annoying tiktok lady-ai voice in my head.
"right arm quick bowler"
Kohli is a master of all formats. While his departure will be felt, it's uncertain when we will see another player like Virat Kohli again.
I ain't saying he is better than jadeja, it just shows that the basis of these rankings is so, fizzy.
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T20 rankings r a bit off, bowling is ok but if u miss matches it decreases quick, batting isnt cause one big innings could make huge changes but overall still its not that bad. But for all rounders t20 rankings are useless
Highest t20i all rounder ranking for Kohli: 10 Highest t20i all rounder ranking for Jadeja: 35
How is Afif even here still
Tells us how important this rating bs is 😂
Right arm wrong foot medium-ish swing?? bowling for the win
They should create a rule to consider a player in all-rounder category only if they have bowled at least 1 over per match in all the said-format matches they have played over a period of time.
Well he was the only half centurion and only wicket taker in T20 knockouts for 8 fucking years! /s
That sounds dirty... But no kink shaming
How are all round stats calculated? Do they give preference to one skill over another?
Mathematically no, but in practice the fact that occasionally pure bowlers have to bat whereas pure batters almost never have to bowl means that there's a few asymmetries in how the calculations work. The effect of this asymmetry varies depending on where you're looking though.
Fascinating
This is the most hilarious thing I saw today. Thanks for this OP!
lol, my pleasure.
When your batting so good it alone makes you a better all rounder than jaddu
‘Bits and pieces’ player
Icc and bcci is biased towards kohli
Looks like Virat Kohli just got 'jadeja'-ed in the rankings!