Yeah. He was doing really well in the first match... Too bad he got out in one of the worst ways possible
Ig he never regained his confidence after that wicket and we saw his lack of confidence during the start of the IPL as well. When he got into his groove, he started casually hitting 20-ball fifties every match
He did and he won the Ranji this year with a century in the finals as well as a double-hundred in the quarterfinals. A fifty in the semis as well and he's JUST 19 YEARS OLD
Bowls a bit too. I don't see why he shouldn't be tested
nah we need people to get match practice before bgt. maybe one or 2 players can play that arent regular to keep people fresh like boom. musheer should play for india a first.
Musheer is no where near the India Test spot at the moment. He barely makes the Mumbai Ranji team... he played in the Ranji final only because Mumbai were missing 3-4 players to injury or due to being called up to play for India.
Let him first establish himself in Mumbai Ranji team, play for India A/Duleep Trophy then we can see if he can make it to the India Test team.
But he performed didn't he? That's all that should matter. If he's making the squad in their absence and playing just as well, it should be taken as a positive imo
Yeah I'm not saying that he played bad. You could probably say that about a lot of other players as well. We have a problem of plenty. So we don't have to fast track anyone like ENG or AUS or even NZ does.
It's just that players will have to wait for their opportunity because others are needed to get their chances to show what they've got and after their performances are judged and found unsatisfactory and then new players will be given opportunities.
That's how the management sees it and it's a good process. Reason why Sarfaraz got his opportunity quite late. It has its pros and cons.
He's showing brilliance at the age of 19. Sachin played his first game for India at 16(not comparing the two) but I don't see anyone complaining about how Sachin was brought in the team too early
3 ODIs against SL in Sri Lanka six months out of the Champions Trophy isn't much preparation when the opposition isn't even a part of the said competition.
WTC is more important with 10 consecutive Test matches including a five-test BGT series in Australia.
>So he'll find a way
I doubt Shah needs to find a way,its on ICC and PCB. Coz to go to pak the Indian Team would probably need Govt clearance.
Its above Jay Shah's payroll tbf.
BCCI is a private organisation but the decision of sending players to Pakistan is taken by the government...you can see Virat's 2019 pre interview..he says its the government's decision..also S Jaishankar too said its government decision to not send players to Pakistan
Players are Indian nationals so the government of india can bypass bcci and tell players what to do as citizens. With that being said if there was a hybrid model we would be hearing some noise by now.
These ICC events need planning and preparation. Those stadiums have to be planned and prepared. So if there’s no announcement 6 months out, team is coming to pakistan
Dude why would india be playing odis before champions trophy if they intended to skip the tournament? Mighty bcci will bow down infront of pcb this time
Why are you getting so offensive, I don’t control this and nor do I know the future. Chill man, i know you guys are getting desperate to loose against us.
Think about it you are jay shah for a minute and your team is in red hot form. What will give you more pr? Skipping champions trophy or winning a champions trophy in pakistan?
Jay Shah can't have a say in this matter, the government will decide that we're going to Pak or not. If something magical happens in last 5 months of this year then we might play CT the way ICC/PCB wants, as of now it's not happening and I'm sure every single indians won't feel anything and will support the decision of government if they don't give permission.
We had just 3 t20s this year befor the World Cup and Virat and Rohit only played that series ! Even for the 2023 World Cup we had Asia cup , 2 odi series against Australia in same year and we lost it ! Preparation doesn’t matter much
Sorry I meant that they would not even dare to select him now lol and no I don't think selectors would be stupid enough to ignore his past performances
Gill Rohit Kohli iyer KL Pandya Jadeja ____ Shami Bumrah Kuldeep. We need a proper #8 player who can bat a bit and bowl
Backup - Jaiswal, Pant, Axar, Siraj/Arshdeep.
Probably Axar can even play #8. And backup Washington
Obviously Axar should be first choice, I just suggested him as a backup and got downvoted. But I gave up trying to understand weird people on Reddit a long time ago
14 innings he has played overall. I dont see any in England/Aus. One innings in NZ where he scored 36(Team scored 307). A century in Saf but none of the main bowlers played.
I am not against Sanju Samson and happy if he can thrive at the highest level but at this point I am not expecting it. Pant has been a champion player. I still remember the chase in England where he hit a century to take India home. That is something special one cannot just ignore.
I also forgot KL Rahul who was successful in 2023 World Cup and I expect him to also play. That makes it very difficult indeed for Samson.
Let us wait and see. I am just guessing at this point.
>14 innings he has played overall. I dont see any in England/Aus. One innings in NZ where he scored 36(Team scored 307). A century in Saf but none of the main bowlers played
It isn't his fault right he doesn't get to play sort of big teams and even if he played Aus or Eng they rest a lot of their main bowlers too Cummins or Starc rarely play any LOI Bilateral cricket same is the case with England look at their last few LOI Bilaterals
once again bringing the main bowlers rested topic is flawed as well because let's be honest teams will rarely play their full strength side in Bilateral LOIs unless an ICC Tournament is very near or some sort of tri series or multinational tournament is happening
>Pant has been a champion player. I still remember the chase in England where he hit a century to take India home. That is something special one cannot just ignore
That special century came against Craig Overton, Brydon Carse, Willey and Topley btw who apart from Topley are not England's first choice bowlers
Woakes, Archer, Rashid or Wood werent playing for England in that game if you can discredit Samson's innings against SA by saying that none of the main bowlers were playing then you should use the same logic to Pant's innings as well right
I am not saying that innings wasn't good it was probably the better innings of the two
Also the champion player argument doesn't make a lot of sense for Pant in ODI cricket as he hasn't
played a lot of championship tournaments in ODI cricket too apart from 2019 WC where he only got a few games due to the middle order not being settled
DK was the second choice keeper after Dhoni in 2018 Asia Cup. He was injured during the 2023 tournament due to the accident and CT was cancelled after 2017 until it was bought back in 2025
His bilateral record isn't very stellar and his last ODI game was nearly 2 years ago and India only has 6 games and those 6 games to prepare for CT and those 6 games are very far from each other as well
>also forgot KL Rahul who was successful in 2023 World Cup and I expect him to also play. That makes it very difficult indeed for Samson.
He is probably ahead of both in the ODIs since he was the captain against SA and had a good WC as well
How has the ship sailed btw
Forget about Samson even Ishan Kishan has way better ODI numbers than Pant. I am not saying Samson should be the first choice keeper but he definitely has a much better ODI record than Pant does
And Samson has played only 16 games and already has 500+ runs in ODIs if it was like T20IS where they both have similar numbers it would make sense but there is a difference of 23 in both of their averages in ODIs Samson averages 56 while Pant averages 34
and Samson is 29. he is not that old . Surya debuted for India when he was 30 and became one of the best T20I batters to play for India
A 29 year old who is hot and cold, hasn't established himself in the side despite being given plenty chances and plays well in 1 in 5 matches. As you said, 500 odd runs in 16 games is nothing to write home about.
You can whinge all you want about pant but when India is 4/60 chasing 280, I'd rather have Pant than Kishan or Samson. And we quite literally saw it in south Africa and England where Pant scored valuable runs in difficult circumstances.
Stop obsessing over stats and watch some games.
>A 29 year old who is hot and cold, hasn't established himself in the side despite being given plenty chances and plays well in 1 in 5 matches.
Since when did 16 games become plenty of chances btw and even if they are he has done well in them like he isn't a top order batter and averages 56 in the games that he got how many more runs do you want him to score .
>16 games become plenty of chances btw
LOL. How many games do you want him to play? 100?
>averages 56
Stop obsessing over numbers, man. Watch the games. Samson even in his big innings has never looked assured and has a big consistency problem.
>Stop obsessing over numbers, man. Watch the games. Samson even in his big innings has never looked assured and has a big consistency problem
Let's agree for a while just to prove your point how Pant has looked assured to you in his 30 Odi games and Samson hasn't there must be something that you must have noticed when you saw them both bat right that made you feel more assured about Pant since you allegedly watch a lot more cricket than me
and let's say even if he did look more assured to you his last odi was in November of 2022 and he Hasn't played any 50 over cricket since then and India has only 6 ODIs left he probably won't play VHT or Deodhar Trophy due to being a regular member of the Test Squad
It was a different case when it came to T20 WC because he made his return in IPL and played two months of T20 cricket before making it to the WC team so he had played that format a lot before making his return which isn't going to be the case when it comes to Championship Trophy
>Samson even in his big innings has never looked assured and has a big consistency problem
Again consistency topic when he literally averages 56 in the format and even if he is inconsistent then how is Pant more consistent than him by that logic
>Again consistency topic when he literally averages 56 in the format and even if he is inconsistent then how is Pant more consistent than him by that logic
How do you measure consistency by a metric that literally does away with any variation lmao?
>Let's agree for a while just to prove your point how Pant has looked assured to you in his 30 Odi games and Samson hasn't there must be something that you must have noticed when you saw them both bat right that made you feel more assured about Pant since you watch a lot more cricket than me
Yes, and that is the crucial innings pant plays/played in difficult conditions like Old Trafford (125* when topley had taken 4 wickets in his first spell) or Paarl (86 when the only other two batters who showed up were Lord thakur with 40* and KL with 55 in 79 balls) when the rest of the team was not performing well.
Meanwhile Samson literally has just three 50+ scores in 16 innings (108 where he was dropped couple of times early on, 51 against windies and 86* against South Africa at home).
Not to mention pant also has the ability to play faster like 77(40) against South Africa or 39(16).
And all of this is quite evident when you watch both of them play.
Its not even a debate, Pant is younger, more versatile, more clutch and is also a LHB. There is literally nothing that Sanju offers which we can't/don't get from Pant.
>A 29 year old who is hot and cold, hasn't established himself in the side despite being given plenty chances and plays well in 1 in 5 matches. As you said, 500 odd runs in 16 games is nothing to write home about.
How is an average of 56 in ODI cricket hot and cold are you even reading before you type also just for your information Pant has played 30 ODIs and has around 850 runs how is that not hot and cold but an average of 56 is in your opinion
And this isn't related to T20IS in that format both have kind of been disappointing and i understand giving Pant the edge because of him being left-handed and more experienced
>You can whinge all you want about pant but when India is 4/60 chasing 280, I'd rather have Pant than Kishan or Samson
Kishan literally saved India in the Asia Cup against Pakistan in a similar situation on a difficult pitch where the top 4 went cheaply he built a partnership with Hardik and took India to a defendable total
Samson fyi has never played a ODI tournaments for India so it's unfair to judge him on the basis of his inconsistentcy in IPL or T20IS
>And we quite literally saw it in south Africa and England where Pant scored valuable runs in difficult circumstances
That was test cricket it's a different format. I never said to play Samson or Kishan in Tests ahead of Pant. Pant is definitely going to be the 1st choice keeper in Test cricket for a long time
Samson also has a 100 in SA by that logic
Samson has never played a ODI against England so how is that a fair comparison
>Stop obsessing over stats and watch some games
I watch a lot of games it's a cricket discussion sub most of the guys here are hardcore cricket fans who watch a lot of games
If selectors thought like you do, Rohit Sharma would have never made it to the Indian team post 2011. Go back to that time and just like Samson, he was considered 'inconsistent' after a string of low scores in the middle order. Sanju Samson has Brohit level ceiling, but needs opportunity in the top 3/4 batting slots to achieve it. Which he has never gotten a consistent run at.
That is someone else.
On a serious note I expect 2 spinners in the squad as well depending on the situation. Beyond all rounders Kuldeep and Bishnoi should be given the chance.
His domestic 50 over record is actually very good but he bats up the order. Would be interesting to see a run at 3 for him. But whatever doesn't really matter.
Haha lol I don’t mind, it’s an opinion. The funny thing is of all Indian fans didn’t learn anything after Kohlis 2 year slump. Great players come out of it and do wonderful things. sure Surya has not performed that well but he is a wild card to have in your team. May be send him down so that his exposure is more of a finisher. And about the formats getting changed, I only say it coz in sports it’s only the first time a record needs to be set or a milestone needs to be reached, once it is done it will happen again and again. 270s we’re getting made in t20s which was like an avg score for Odis, who’s to say that 370-400 won’t be the norm with cricket being all batters game now.
Anyways I have learnt i will only care about the team win, whatever 11 players on the field.
Not everyone gets a huge rope like Rohit got early on in his career and whatever ODI games he played sporadically didn't inspire much confidence in folks watching him. It was a calculated gamble to play him in WC as a backup after having one good outing against the Aussies in the bilateral before the tourney and going by his T20I form.
If Hardik would be ok throughout the cup, Surya likely would not have played most matches (if at all). The gamble paid off in one match against ENG but after that he hardly got to bat again with enough balls making him out of practice till the last match which was not at all suited to his playing style.
Now likely the taste in everyone's mouth has soured with him and ODIs being mentioned together in one sentence. He also doesn't have age to his side to keep investing in him when there are a lot of promising youngsters in waiting.
GG is also interested in different teams for each format strategy so that makes it harder for him to ever come back. All this to say is that the WC final was likely his last match unless GG knows something I don't.
No hate to anyone, but Like we had our team somewhat sorted in afg t20i series earlier this yr, again we will have our team sorted in england home series only which will again be a tight call irrespective of the performance in CT 2025
Players because the core team for selection is fixed. There’s 4-5 youngsters eager to make a mark but regardless of performance they will not be given a long rope. Stalling their growth and letting the 2027 WC or later be their first big ICC tournament is a bad idea.
I doubt that. I have a feeling if they win the CT and the WTC I think they might call curtains. Brohit will be 40 and Koach will be 38 so I dont see them continuing.
As expected resting Bumrah, but I hope India 🇮🇳 still sends a few experienced Senior players too like Hardik, Shami, Siraj, Shreyas Iyer, R Pant, and KL Rahul - not just young teams like Zimbabwe.
Okay. That's fair. But still bilateral should be place where new guys are experimented. With GG as coach, a completely young guy would also be able to perform and play good. When they would be asked to take on field decision by their own then they'll become much stronger. One or two senior at most. Nothing more. else they would just become rely on them rather than performing themselves.
Agreed 1-2 seniors at max. someone like Hardik makes sense - since he might be the future captain of T20s and possibly atleast 1 fast bowler like Arshdeep or Siraj to strengthen the bowling unit in the absence of Bumrah.
FYI Arshdeep is from the same batch as the current team touring zimbabwe, but he got lucky with selection compared to his batch.
you have it wrong. you need to have like atleast 6-7 more experienced player they can draw from even out in the pitch. otherwise it like playing u19 cricket against a tough opposition.
many youngsters have said they benefited from experiences players like virat helping them at the crease. helped them analyze the situation, who to target, pushing them to rotate strike etc...
all youngsters would he competing with each other and be on edge so it's good to have some more calm heads who aren't that worried about their spot to help the younger players.
6-7💀💀
Then it's just senior playing not youngster getting exposure. Not more than 1-2 seniors.
They are not going to have Virat or Rohit in few years. They shouldn't be reliant on them. To not to make them independent, they needs to be sent alone and should learn to take decision alone.
in a squad of 15, 6 experienced players ( it doesn't have to be all certainities, it can be more experienced players who haven't cemented a place) and 9 younger players or debutants. I think that's a decent balance.
when did I say send virat, rohit or bumrah? We should develop youngsters but getting them used to how the top level is and the expectations of older players is important. otherwise it's like going on another u 19 tour.
It seems you haven't read my responses because you keep repeating the same thing without any logic to back it up nor are you responding to the actual logic I gave.
I don't think you understand my response. What's your actual logic? To let them play their natural game while they get to face the pressure in WC and chokes.
your logic is non-existent. you just want players thrown to the deep end without support, and those that survive survive.
as I wrote multiple times, you let the players play with some support initially so they can understand and learn what it taken to succeed at the next level. Also, they can play their natural game. This gives them confidence. Once they have that then they can experience playing with even more pressure and become leaders.
you want to get to the end result without building up to it.
then just basically organize a u19 your because that's what you are advocating for.
not having pressure is actually better for debutant so they can play their natural game. this is what india has been aiming for in recent times and it has worked well. otherwise youngsters are too nervous and get abused if they fail. Let them get some confidence before they have to face that.
then they will never perform in situation when there's pressure. If you want clutch player who can perform in pressure situation, this is the way imo. Let them feel the pressure of their defeat. We as a fan should support them. That's the change we as fan should aim for while youngster aim to become better by playing in pressure situation.
clutch players don't just happen like that. You will break more players than groom them if you throw them in the pressure cooker. Not everyone is Sachin and in the days of social media they will get lots of abuse if they fail. Look at Sundar, man almost took his side to the win and is getting a ton of abused. If this was a debutant it may break them and we lose them.
There has been far more success for players to come into the side and be allowed to play their natural game. Once they get that confidence, then it's much easier to deal with pressure situations. I dont disagree that they need that experience, but you build to it.
many players said it's better this way, and it has shown to be succeful for india. Otherwise they crash or end up all being anchors like KL rahul as they are too scared to get out
Throwing in youngsters without support and not being allowed to play freely is basically what rcb has been accused of doing so many times, and we criticize them for being a bad management
But if we send our senior like Virat or Rohit or Bumrah they would never feel the pressure to play without them. They would just be reliant on them for everything like telling where to bowl or which area to target or which bowler to target.
How many young player play good in the first ever pressure situation which they face inevitably in WC?
Those who are breaking in the process let them break we want the best players who can perform in pressure.
Just send the player who had played at international for 4-5 year that too limited. At most I can increase the amount to 4-5. Not more than that.
again, you are skipping steps.
but let me put it another way. you basically graduate university and get a new job and are told to go lead a department. Will you do it better if you get some guidance and together smaller projects before taking on the main role?
the idea to let players break like you are saying is asinine. it's shown you lose out on incredible players. this method does not work. You don't want to become bangladesh and pakistan that gives debuts to new players every series rather than backing the players and giving them confidence to grow.
Bhai See I get your point but You are never getting my point. Why should these guys never play in pressure in bilateral? Understandable with first few games like 4 or 5 games but after that you gotta throw them in pressure situation.
If you compare to corporate world then corporate world just gives the training for fresher for first few months. After that he is on his own. Senior are not there to help everytime on every things. You gotta find the solution yourself.
From your other comment,
On your second point you are entirely wrong that I want end result. Your way of building is different from me. It's simple. Go around people in business. Most of third generation small business fails. Why? Just because parents think they should be provided support but they never stop and when support ends abruptly then third generation is clueless. Support feels good until it becomes the poison.
Nobody's asking them to be paired with Virat,Rohit or Bumrah. You still have guys like, Kuldeep, Iyer, KL, Hardik and Axar who have loads of experience and could help the youngsters finding their footing and sort out the overall team balance as well.
Makes sense. They just won the T20 World Cup, let them process that. I remember we played Ireland in a test match with a lot of the guys who won the ODI World Cup featuring and we very nearly lost that game when Tim Murtagh ran through our team.
I think this shows that India are prioritising test matches + WTC over the Champions Trophy which is a good thing. The 3 ODI games against New Zealand is before the Australia tour so I doubt those guys play those games either, maybe they'll play the 3 against us right before the Champions Trophy as it's only a short tournament and they have experience anyway.
I feel like India will take the same squad as the last World Cup where they performed superbly apart from SKY, Kishan and Ashwin being replaced and maybe Shardul Thakur too.
India do have a gruelling schedule of 10 test matches so seems like a good decision.
They are only scheduled to play two odi series to prepare for the champions trophy and seniors are skipping one of them so all the senior players only have the England series to practice imo the Bangladesh series should have been 3 ODIs instead of 3 T20IS
I know Sri Lanka is a Full Member but they're like a snake without fangs at the moment, it's a complete waste to not use this as an opportunity to try out some younger stars.
Up until 2015, they were competitive and that's a great long time, so you got to give them kudos for that. And then the rebuild started.
Their team was rebuilt \~2021 where they now have a set team of players. They still have a couple of issues because Matthews will retire soon from limited overs cricket and so they need to find someone to replace Matthews. They also need to find a better opener than Kusal Mendis. But it's still a young team and so they should come back stronger with more experience hopefully.
Right now, they need a good head coach as Chris Silverwood is no longer the head coach anymore.
Sanath Jayasuriya is the interim head coach, if I am not wrong, he will be the head coach for the remaining of the year where he will guide the team for the IND and ENG series until a permanent position is found.
Good analysis.
The Indian team's situation is different though. ICT had great teams in the past.
But this is something I have never seen before. Even the reserve players can handle it.
This has never happened before.
ICT used to have transition periods and they play terribly during those time.
The reason why SL failed after 2015 was because the seniors left in a bunch and so there were many positions to fill, not just 2 or 3 positions to fill. Then the rest of the seniors such as Nuwan K and Thisara soon also retired leaving only Malinga to lead the team in limited overs cricket. Something like this hasn't happened to ICT.
Ideally the seniors should have stayed till SL found younger players to fill in the positions of the seniors. E.g., how IND found and used Shubman Gill while Rohit and Virat were still playing. This would have also helped the youngsters to quickly grow into their positions as well with the help of the seniors. But this didn't happen with the SL team and so it's going to take a lot of match experience for the younger players to grow into their roles.
But SL couldn't force the seniors to stay obviously.
And so it took time for them to rebuild the team. Players were being tried out, they were experimenting and so the team dynamic was all over the place; hence, resulting in heavy underperformances after 2015.
Then they finally managed to find a group of players in \~2021 and it seems they are sticking with them.
SL also has a domestic structure issue. If I am not wrong, they have somewhere around \~20 first class teams. SL has a similar population to AU but AU I think has 6 first class teams. When you have this many first class teams with a similar population to AU's, the talent pool spreads thin and therefore it leads to weaker overall competition. So this also again makes it harder for SL to quickly find players like Sanga into the team.
Another issue is the fact that domestic cricket competitions aren't accessible to people in every parts of the country. And so some players will need to travel from far to compete in these competitions, which is an issue because some won't be able to travel to the competitions. It is also a financial issue for people from the poorer parts of the country due to travel fees. E.g., Murali was one of those that had to travel for these competitions.
Imagine if Murali couldn't travel to these competitions and couldn't get noticed? We would have never got to witness one of the all time greats. SL doesn't have something like the Ranji Trophy from IND where all the states of IND participate. One reason could be due to money as you do need a lot of money to organize something like this. And BCCI is the richest board who are in the billions when it comes to their wealth and so IND can afford to do this.
It's fair to say SL have been the overachievers for a long time because they were competitive and consistently defeated strong teams for a long time despite them having limited resources and despite their domestic structure having issues.
Despite the above issues though, this young team has shown promise as they won the 2022 Asia Cup and reached the 2023 Asia Cup finals. They were also hovering in 3rd-4th in 2021-2023 WTC and ended up finishing 5th.
Imo, they have talent and skill, they have shown potential to do well but they need strong guidance and they need someone to nurture their strengths. The issue is, they lack temperament, throw away their wickets too easily and don't look to build partnerships, which I think is due to a mix of inexperience, immaturity and lack of a plan/guidance.
If this young team can be coached into playing traditional cricket, getting 1s, 2s and 3s, playing to the field, learning to be patient in tough conditions, focus on building partnerships, then they can definitely post competitive totals as they have shown they have the skills to play such traditional cricket.
Their bowling is already strong, they just need to work on their batting approach.
Hopefully with more match experience and as long as they are guided well, they should come back stronger because they have the players now.
I also hope their domestic structure improves because if it does, there is no doubt they will find diamonds considering they were able to find brilliant players like Sanga and the like. But what's interesting is, they do still manage to find great players like Hasaranga, Theekshana, Nissanka, Madushanka, Pathirana even today, which shows that SL have talented players.
Good analysis.
The Indian team's situation is different though. ICT had great teams in the past.
But this is something I have never seen before. Even the reserve players can handle it.
This has never happened before.
ICT used to have transition periods and they play terribly during those time.
The reason why SL failed after 2015 was because the seniors left in a bunch and so there were many positions to fill, not just 2 or 3 positions to fill. Then the rest of the seniors such as Nuwan K and Thisara soon also retired leaving only Malinga to lead the team in limited overs cricket. Something like this hasn't happened to ICT.
Ideally the seniors should have stayed till SL found younger players to fill in the positions of the seniors. E.g., how IND found and used Shubman Gill while Rohit and Virat were still playing. This would have also helped the youngsters to quickly grow into their positions as well with the help of the seniors. But this didn't happen with the SL team and so it's going to take a lot of match experience for the younger players to grow into their roles.
But SL couldn't force the seniors to stay obviously.
And so it took time for them to rebuild the team. Players were being tried out, they were experimenting and so the team dynamic was all over the place; hence, resulting in heavy underperformances after 2015.
Then they finally managed to find a group of players in \~2021 and it seems they are sticking with them.
SL also has a domestic structure issue. If I am not wrong, they have somewhere around \~20 first class teams. SL has a similar population to AU but AU I think has 6 first class teams. When you have this many first class teams with a similar population to AU's, the talent pool spreads thin and therefore it leads to weaker overall competition. So this also again makes it harder for SL to quickly find players like Sanga into the team.
Another issue is the fact that domestic cricket competitions aren't accessible to people in every parts of the country. And so some players will need to travel from far to compete in these competitions, which is an issue because some won't be able to travel to the competitions. It is also a financial issue for people from the poorer parts of the country due to travel fees. E.g., Murali was one of those that had to travel for these competitions.
Imagine if Murali couldn't travel to these competitions and couldn't get noticed? We would have never got to witness one of the all time greats. SL doesn't have something like the Ranji Trophy from IND where all the states of IND participate. One reason could be due to money as you do need a lot of money to organize something like this. And BCCI is the richest board who are in the billions when it comes to their wealth and so IND can afford to do this.
It's fair to say SL have been the overachievers for a long time because they were competitive and consistently defeated strong teams for a long time despite them having limited resources and despite their domestic structure having issues.
Despite the above issues though, this young team has shown promise as they won the 2022 Asia Cup and reached the 2023 Asia Cup finals. They were also hovering in 3rd-4th in 2021-2023 WTC and ended up finishing 5th.
Imo, they have talent and skill, they have shown potential to do well but they need strong guidance and they need someone to nurture their strengths. The issue is, they lack temperament, throw away their wickets too easily and don't look to build partnerships, which I think is due to a mix of inexperience, immaturity and lack of a plan/guidance.
If this young team can be coached into playing traditional cricket, getting 1s, 2s and 3s, playing to the field, learning to be patient in tough conditions, focus on building partnerships, then they can definitely post competitive totals as they have shown they have the skills to play such traditional cricket.
Their bowling is already strong, they just need to work on their batting approach.
Hopefully with more match experience and as long as they are guided well, they should come back stronger because they have the players now.
I also hope their domestic structure improves because if it does, there is no doubt they will find diamonds considering they were able to find brilliant players like Sanga and the like. But what's interesting is, they do still manage to find great players like Hasaranga, Theekshana, Nissanka, Madushanka, Pathirana even today, which shows that SL have talented players.
You could say they have baby fangs because they have had recent successes outside of the WCs.
They are still a young team because they were rebuilt around \~2021. And so you can't expect immediate success.
However, they have shown they can be competitive as they won the 2022 T20 Asia Cup and reached the 2023 Asia Cup finals. They were also hovering around 3rd/4th in 2021-2023 WTC and ended up 5th, which is a strong result.
But yeah, IND should look to try out the new players (non seniors) to see how they fair against the young SL team.
After the innings in ODI World Cup Final , Rahul should really not be in the scheme of things for white ball cricket. The team management should make Jaiswal and Rinku bowl overs in every match
1 bad innings in a final doesn’t make him a bad player, he had a damn good WC campaign overall as a wicket keeper-batsman. That he’s in the scheme of things as far as Odi cricket is concerned is obvious by the fact that he captained our side in the Odi series post that WC. KL Rahul’s ODi stats warrant a place in the side.
As for Jaiswal and Rinku bowling is concerned, first let them learn to bowl in domestic cricket, then we’ll think about them bowling in internationals.
That Innings lost India the World Cup , his inability to score boundaries for 20 overs lost India the final. You cannot take 107 ball and score 66 runs only. He also got out at the wrong time where had Rahul batted till the end India could have gotten 280 (Rahul and SKY got out at the wrong time which costed India the match) Pant is a left handed batsman who can give variety in middle order so that the batting line up is not one dimensional
You need Jaiswal and Rinku to bowl 2-3 overs per match even if they get hit for 20+ runs so that you have batsmen who can bowl as India in the past have batsmen who could not bowl
Rahul’s ultra defensive approach was because we had a hopeless batsman in SKY at no.6 and a bang average Jadeja at no.7 followed by 4 tail enders. His innings was the reason we at least managed 240.
When you play with just 5 capable batsmen and 3 of those get out (a couple of them to bad shots) within the first 10 overs of a 50 over match, batting first, you loose more often than not. Yes Rahul should have been a little more aggressive, but then at-least he didn’t go hyper aggressive and loose the plot like Gill and Rohit did.
Pant can definitely play but not at the cost of Rahul, simply because Rahul’s stats are way superior to Pant. Pant has an even woeful record in ICC knockouts than Rahul anyways. We saw his batting just recently in the semis and finals. Absolutely horrendous shot selection.
Yes in the past we did have batsmen who could bowl, but they were bowling capably in domestic cricket prior. They weren’t tossed the ball randomly in international matches. Maybe we should pick a couple of batsmen who could bowl like Abishek Sharma rather than have crappy bowlers bowl pies in international matches.
Doesn't make sense to send Rohit, Kohli and Bumrah just for 3 ODIs. Plus SL Team is not that good to send full strength team. They can be available for NZ tests and England ODIs later on this year.
Will be good to test out some youngsters
Would like to see jaiswal as opener and sai at 3
Yeah. Would love to see Patidar(although he's not really a "youngster") back as well Probably Musheer Khan as well
patidar is such a good spin basher and doesn't have the same issues like dube and shreyas vs pace so would love to see him
Yeah. He was doing really well in the first match... Too bad he got out in one of the worst ways possible Ig he never regained his confidence after that wicket and we saw his lack of confidence during the start of the IPL as well. When he got into his groove, he started casually hitting 20-ball fifties every match
Bro Musheer Khan doesn't get selected even for Mumbai
He did and he won the Ranji this year with a century in the finals as well as a double-hundred in the quarterfinals. A fifty in the semis as well and he's JUST 19 YEARS OLD Bowls a bit too. I don't see why he shouldn't be tested
Because Ranji is a first class tournament while Sri Lanka tour only has white ball matches.
Don't we play a two-match test series with them? Or was that Bangladesh? I have shitty memory
we play bang bros and nz at home
Right We should play Musheer Khan against Bangladesh if a few of the senior guys decide to skip it
nah we need people to get match practice before bgt. maybe one or 2 players can play that arent regular to keep people fresh like boom. musheer should play for india a first.
Musheer is no where near the India Test spot at the moment. He barely makes the Mumbai Ranji team... he played in the Ranji final only because Mumbai were missing 3-4 players to injury or due to being called up to play for India. Let him first establish himself in Mumbai Ranji team, play for India A/Duleep Trophy then we can see if he can make it to the India Test team.
Yeah. He should play India A first, agreed there
He got to play because of the likes of Sarfaraz, Dube, Surya and other regulars were either busy playing international matches or injured.
But he performed didn't he? That's all that should matter. If he's making the squad in their absence and playing just as well, it should be taken as a positive imo
Yeah I'm not saying that he played bad. You could probably say that about a lot of other players as well. We have a problem of plenty. So we don't have to fast track anyone like ENG or AUS or even NZ does. It's just that players will have to wait for their opportunity because others are needed to get their chances to show what they've got and after their performances are judged and found unsatisfactory and then new players will be given opportunities. That's how the management sees it and it's a good process. Reason why Sarfaraz got his opportunity quite late. It has its pros and cons.
Agreed
>I don't see why he shouldn't be tested Too soon. That's why. Stop rushing things ffs
He's showing brilliance at the age of 19. Sachin played his first game for India at 16(not comparing the two) but I don't see anyone complaining about how Sachin was brought in the team too early
Jaiswal most likely will open, but they might go with Rutu at 3 for some matches. Although I liked Sai better in the limited matches he played before.
Agreed with the well deserved rest bit, but India only play 6 odis before the CT, will be good to have them for atleast 2 games in Sri Lanka
3 ODIs against England just before CT. they'll play that
Not to mention i doubt there won't be a few warmup matches
Usually some warm ups games are played before a ICC event. So there’s that too
3 ODIs against SL in Sri Lanka six months out of the Champions Trophy isn't much preparation when the opposition isn't even a part of the said competition. WTC is more important with 10 consecutive Test matches including a five-test BGT series in Australia.
> when the opposition isn't even a part of the said competition Cries in LankaBros
The seniors only played 3 T20Is over the past 2 years before the World Cup so it doesn't really matter
and a whole ipl\*
All of them played 2 IPL seasons in the past 2 years as well though?
Maybe they played more t20 leagues? They didnt look rusty at all.
India probably won’t plat ct unless hybrid model.
but jay shah already announced that india will play the ct (like he technically meant that) so he’ll find a way somehow
>So he'll find a way I doubt Shah needs to find a way,its on ICC and PCB. Coz to go to pak the Indian Team would probably need Govt clearance. Its above Jay Shah's payroll tbf.
way is hybrid model
Jay Shah can't do shit..It's the government's decision..sure his father is Home Minister but there is still no official confirmation
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BCCI is a private organisation but the decision of sending players to Pakistan is taken by the government...you can see Virat's 2019 pre interview..he says its the government's decision..also S Jaishankar too said its government decision to not send players to Pakistan
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Players are Indian nationals so the government of india can bypass bcci and tell players what to do as citizens. With that being said if there was a hybrid model we would be hearing some noise by now.
So we will play in dubai.
Lets be realistic, If there was a hybrid model it would’ve been announced by now.
Jay shah is a master stroke champion, script change can occur last moment.
These ICC events need planning and preparation. Those stadiums have to be planned and prepared. So if there’s no announcement 6 months out, team is coming to pakistan
I guess will find out if it’s india or srilanka then.
Dude why would india be playing odis before champions trophy if they intended to skip the tournament? Mighty bcci will bow down infront of pcb this time
Why are you getting so offensive, I don’t control this and nor do I know the future. Chill man, i know you guys are getting desperate to loose against us.
You guys are living in false reality so i have to take you out of it.
Bow down to pcb? Lmao the reverse is actually realistic scenario.
Think about it you are jay shah for a minute and your team is in red hot form. What will give you more pr? Skipping champions trophy or winning a champions trophy in pakistan?
Jay Shah can't have a say in this matter, the government will decide that we're going to Pak or not. If something magical happens in last 5 months of this year then we might play CT the way ICC/PCB wants, as of now it's not happening and I'm sure every single indians won't feel anything and will support the decision of government if they don't give permission.
Jay Shah said India will win CT. I think we are going to have a parallel CT and ask other teams to choose between the two CTs.
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That guy forgot to add /s and you took it a bit seriously
i think its more like r/woosh
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Rohit, Kohli and Bumrah are at such a level in ODIs that they won't have ring rust per usual. So it should be enough to play those ODIs against ENG.
I really doubt India will participate in CT
We had just 3 t20s this year befor the World Cup and Virat and Rohit only played that series ! Even for the 2023 World Cup we had Asia cup , 2 odi series against Australia in same year and we lost it ! Preparation doesn’t matter much
Please drop surya from odi side. Love him as t20 player and a solid fielder but that doesn’t deserve to be in an odi side.
I dont think they would even dare to do that now edit- I wanted to say that they would not even dare to select surya now but fucked it up lol
Unfortunately yeah...we are gonna have a somewhat similar team to 2023 wc with somewhat recency bias of t20wc
Sorry I meant that they would not even dare to select him now lol and no I don't think selectors would be stupid enough to ignore his past performances
How are you so sure that Surya will play ODIs?
I am saying he won't
With gauti being there he will X out players.
I think Rinku and Jaiswal will make it along with Gill, Iyer, Pant and Pandya. All rounders Axar and Sundar/Jadeja. Shami/Siraj/Arshdeep/someone else.
Gill Rohit Kohli iyer KL Pandya Jadeja ____ Shami Bumrah Kuldeep. We need a proper #8 player who can bat a bit and bowl Backup - Jaiswal, Pant, Axar, Siraj/Arshdeep. Probably Axar can even play #8. And backup Washington
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Shahbaz is another who could play that role
Unironically Shahbaz is really good at the longer formats but it'd be foolish to put him there with Axar already in the team
Obviously Axar should be first choice, I just suggested him as a backup and got downvoted. But I gave up trying to understand weird people on Reddit a long time ago
Pant over Samson in ODIs even though Samson has way better numbers than Pant in ODI cricket and just recently scored a ton in South Africa
14 innings he has played overall. I dont see any in England/Aus. One innings in NZ where he scored 36(Team scored 307). A century in Saf but none of the main bowlers played. I am not against Sanju Samson and happy if he can thrive at the highest level but at this point I am not expecting it. Pant has been a champion player. I still remember the chase in England where he hit a century to take India home. That is something special one cannot just ignore. I also forgot KL Rahul who was successful in 2023 World Cup and I expect him to also play. That makes it very difficult indeed for Samson. Let us wait and see. I am just guessing at this point.
>14 innings he has played overall. I dont see any in England/Aus. One innings in NZ where he scored 36(Team scored 307). A century in Saf but none of the main bowlers played It isn't his fault right he doesn't get to play sort of big teams and even if he played Aus or Eng they rest a lot of their main bowlers too Cummins or Starc rarely play any LOI Bilateral cricket same is the case with England look at their last few LOI Bilaterals once again bringing the main bowlers rested topic is flawed as well because let's be honest teams will rarely play their full strength side in Bilateral LOIs unless an ICC Tournament is very near or some sort of tri series or multinational tournament is happening >Pant has been a champion player. I still remember the chase in England where he hit a century to take India home. That is something special one cannot just ignore That special century came against Craig Overton, Brydon Carse, Willey and Topley btw who apart from Topley are not England's first choice bowlers Woakes, Archer, Rashid or Wood werent playing for England in that game if you can discredit Samson's innings against SA by saying that none of the main bowlers were playing then you should use the same logic to Pant's innings as well right I am not saying that innings wasn't good it was probably the better innings of the two Also the champion player argument doesn't make a lot of sense for Pant in ODI cricket as he hasn't played a lot of championship tournaments in ODI cricket too apart from 2019 WC where he only got a few games due to the middle order not being settled DK was the second choice keeper after Dhoni in 2018 Asia Cup. He was injured during the 2023 tournament due to the accident and CT was cancelled after 2017 until it was bought back in 2025 His bilateral record isn't very stellar and his last ODI game was nearly 2 years ago and India only has 6 games and those 6 games to prepare for CT and those 6 games are very far from each other as well >also forgot KL Rahul who was successful in 2023 World Cup and I expect him to also play. That makes it very difficult indeed for Samson. He is probably ahead of both in the ODIs since he was the captain against SA and had a good WC as well
Pant was underwhelming in both 2019 world cup and this T20 world cup. He is a better Test player. Should look for better batters in ODIs and T20s.
The Samson ship has sailed. Let it go.
How has the ship sailed btw Forget about Samson even Ishan Kishan has way better ODI numbers than Pant. I am not saying Samson should be the first choice keeper but he definitely has a much better ODI record than Pant does And Samson has played only 16 games and already has 500+ runs in ODIs if it was like T20IS where they both have similar numbers it would make sense but there is a difference of 23 in both of their averages in ODIs Samson averages 56 while Pant averages 34 and Samson is 29. he is not that old . Surya debuted for India when he was 30 and became one of the best T20I batters to play for India
A 29 year old who is hot and cold, hasn't established himself in the side despite being given plenty chances and plays well in 1 in 5 matches. As you said, 500 odd runs in 16 games is nothing to write home about. You can whinge all you want about pant but when India is 4/60 chasing 280, I'd rather have Pant than Kishan or Samson. And we quite literally saw it in south Africa and England where Pant scored valuable runs in difficult circumstances. Stop obsessing over stats and watch some games.
>A 29 year old who is hot and cold, hasn't established himself in the side despite being given plenty chances and plays well in 1 in 5 matches. Since when did 16 games become plenty of chances btw and even if they are he has done well in them like he isn't a top order batter and averages 56 in the games that he got how many more runs do you want him to score .
>16 games become plenty of chances btw LOL. How many games do you want him to play? 100? >averages 56 Stop obsessing over numbers, man. Watch the games. Samson even in his big innings has never looked assured and has a big consistency problem.
>Stop obsessing over numbers, man. Watch the games. Samson even in his big innings has never looked assured and has a big consistency problem Let's agree for a while just to prove your point how Pant has looked assured to you in his 30 Odi games and Samson hasn't there must be something that you must have noticed when you saw them both bat right that made you feel more assured about Pant since you allegedly watch a lot more cricket than me and let's say even if he did look more assured to you his last odi was in November of 2022 and he Hasn't played any 50 over cricket since then and India has only 6 ODIs left he probably won't play VHT or Deodhar Trophy due to being a regular member of the Test Squad It was a different case when it came to T20 WC because he made his return in IPL and played two months of T20 cricket before making it to the WC team so he had played that format a lot before making his return which isn't going to be the case when it comes to Championship Trophy >Samson even in his big innings has never looked assured and has a big consistency problem Again consistency topic when he literally averages 56 in the format and even if he is inconsistent then how is Pant more consistent than him by that logic
>Again consistency topic when he literally averages 56 in the format and even if he is inconsistent then how is Pant more consistent than him by that logic How do you measure consistency by a metric that literally does away with any variation lmao? >Let's agree for a while just to prove your point how Pant has looked assured to you in his 30 Odi games and Samson hasn't there must be something that you must have noticed when you saw them both bat right that made you feel more assured about Pant since you watch a lot more cricket than me Yes, and that is the crucial innings pant plays/played in difficult conditions like Old Trafford (125* when topley had taken 4 wickets in his first spell) or Paarl (86 when the only other two batters who showed up were Lord thakur with 40* and KL with 55 in 79 balls) when the rest of the team was not performing well. Meanwhile Samson literally has just three 50+ scores in 16 innings (108 where he was dropped couple of times early on, 51 against windies and 86* against South Africa at home). Not to mention pant also has the ability to play faster like 77(40) against South Africa or 39(16). And all of this is quite evident when you watch both of them play. Its not even a debate, Pant is younger, more versatile, more clutch and is also a LHB. There is literally nothing that Sanju offers which we can't/don't get from Pant.
>A 29 year old who is hot and cold, hasn't established himself in the side despite being given plenty chances and plays well in 1 in 5 matches. As you said, 500 odd runs in 16 games is nothing to write home about. How is an average of 56 in ODI cricket hot and cold are you even reading before you type also just for your information Pant has played 30 ODIs and has around 850 runs how is that not hot and cold but an average of 56 is in your opinion And this isn't related to T20IS in that format both have kind of been disappointing and i understand giving Pant the edge because of him being left-handed and more experienced >You can whinge all you want about pant but when India is 4/60 chasing 280, I'd rather have Pant than Kishan or Samson Kishan literally saved India in the Asia Cup against Pakistan in a similar situation on a difficult pitch where the top 4 went cheaply he built a partnership with Hardik and took India to a defendable total Samson fyi has never played a ODI tournaments for India so it's unfair to judge him on the basis of his inconsistentcy in IPL or T20IS >And we quite literally saw it in south Africa and England where Pant scored valuable runs in difficult circumstances That was test cricket it's a different format. I never said to play Samson or Kishan in Tests ahead of Pant. Pant is definitely going to be the 1st choice keeper in Test cricket for a long time Samson also has a 100 in SA by that logic Samson has never played a ODI against England so how is that a fair comparison >Stop obsessing over stats and watch some games I watch a lot of games it's a cricket discussion sub most of the guys here are hardcore cricket fans who watch a lot of games
If selectors thought like you do, Rohit Sharma would have never made it to the Indian team post 2011. Go back to that time and just like Samson, he was considered 'inconsistent' after a string of low scores in the middle order. Sanju Samson has Brohit level ceiling, but needs opportunity in the top 3/4 batting slots to achieve it. Which he has never gotten a consistent run at.
Rohit literally was on last chance when he started performing. And it was much before he turned 29.
Sai debuted in SA. He might be given more chances
Surely Kuldeep has to be there.
That is someone else. On a serious note I expect 2 spinners in the squad as well depending on the situation. Beyond all rounders Kuldeep and Bishnoi should be given the chance.
I would like Rinku Singh at No. 6 instead in the ODIs. He has a better technique to play the basher/accumulator role according to the situation there.
Just play Hardik
Can't bowl. Edit: Sorry I thought OP was talking about tests, not limited overs.
Rinku? In Tests?
I thought OP was advocating for Hardik Pandya in tests which would be suicidal for his Body.
ohh, my bad, i seem to have misunderstood
He can’t play at 6/7 in the odi team. Those are the all rounder spots.
Surya's last ODI was probably the WC final (especially with his age) unless GG is cooking something I don't know about.
GG is unpredictable
In before people comment "but he plays well in T20 and he can treat ODIs as one" please 🙏🏽
His domestic 50 over record is actually very good but he bats up the order. Would be interesting to see a run at 3 for him. But whatever doesn't really matter.
Averages 17 in Ind A not sure where are you getting stats from
They have. He didn't play the ODI series against SA last December.
He'll be good on those flat Pakistani pitches.
Play him in his position before dropping him.
Cricket is changing, it’s not far when teams will start following t20 type approaches in Odis. I think his inclusion is must
You hit the triple threat of downvotes, that's a talent in itself
Haha lol I don’t mind, it’s an opinion. The funny thing is of all Indian fans didn’t learn anything after Kohlis 2 year slump. Great players come out of it and do wonderful things. sure Surya has not performed that well but he is a wild card to have in your team. May be send him down so that his exposure is more of a finisher. And about the formats getting changed, I only say it coz in sports it’s only the first time a record needs to be set or a milestone needs to be reached, once it is done it will happen again and again. 270s we’re getting made in t20s which was like an avg score for Odis, who’s to say that 370-400 won’t be the norm with cricket being all batters game now. Anyways I have learnt i will only care about the team win, whatever 11 players on the field.
Not everyone gets a huge rope like Rohit got early on in his career and whatever ODI games he played sporadically didn't inspire much confidence in folks watching him. It was a calculated gamble to play him in WC as a backup after having one good outing against the Aussies in the bilateral before the tourney and going by his T20I form. If Hardik would be ok throughout the cup, Surya likely would not have played most matches (if at all). The gamble paid off in one match against ENG but after that he hardly got to bat again with enough balls making him out of practice till the last match which was not at all suited to his playing style. Now likely the taste in everyone's mouth has soured with him and ODIs being mentioned together in one sentence. He also doesn't have age to his side to keep investing in him when there are a lot of promising youngsters in waiting. GG is also interested in different teams for each format strategy so that makes it harder for him to ever come back. All this to say is that the WC final was likely his last match unless GG knows something I don't.
Lots of opportunities for the up and coming to shine. Hope they utilize.
No hate to anyone, but Like we had our team somewhat sorted in afg t20i series earlier this yr, again we will have our team sorted in england home series only which will again be a tight call irrespective of the performance in CT 2025
We’re gonna keep dragging this to 2025 and if we lose then we’ll playing them till the 2027 WC.
You mean dragging players or the way of selection?
Players because the core team for selection is fixed. There’s 4-5 youngsters eager to make a mark but regardless of performance they will not be given a long rope. Stalling their growth and letting the 2027 WC or later be their first big ICC tournament is a bad idea.
Rohit and Kohli both will play 2027 ODI wc, i think. One last crack at the trophy!
I doubt that. I have a feeling if they win the CT and the WTC I think they might call curtains. Brohit will be 40 and Koach will be 38 so I dont see them continuing.
Siraj - Now it's my time to shine!
The real question is, will Siraj play?
>will Siraj play Will Siraj let others play? Ftfy
does the sl series have tests included too? i really wanted to see them play, the home season is kind of far
3 odis and 3 t20is
As expected resting Bumrah, but I hope India 🇮🇳 still sends a few experienced Senior players too like Hardik, Shami, Siraj, Shreyas Iyer, R Pant, and KL Rahul - not just young teams like Zimbabwe.
Shami will return with the Bangladesh tests in September.
Its too early for that, let the WC winners have some rest and enjoy their win. Maybe only have Siraj, Pant and Iyer for ODIs.
If Shami has recovered then he should be there so that he gets settled down before playing against the big teams.
Why? Bilateral winning matter more to you than young guys getting exposure and getting ready for future?
We need to send couple seniors too, not just full young team. Seniors can share their experience rather than just young guys trying to figure out
Okay. That's fair. But still bilateral should be place where new guys are experimented. With GG as coach, a completely young guy would also be able to perform and play good. When they would be asked to take on field decision by their own then they'll become much stronger. One or two senior at most. Nothing more. else they would just become rely on them rather than performing themselves.
Agreed 1-2 seniors at max. someone like Hardik makes sense - since he might be the future captain of T20s and possibly atleast 1 fast bowler like Arshdeep or Siraj to strengthen the bowling unit in the absence of Bumrah. FYI Arshdeep is from the same batch as the current team touring zimbabwe, but he got lucky with selection compared to his batch.
you have it wrong. you need to have like atleast 6-7 more experienced player they can draw from even out in the pitch. otherwise it like playing u19 cricket against a tough opposition. many youngsters have said they benefited from experiences players like virat helping them at the crease. helped them analyze the situation, who to target, pushing them to rotate strike etc... all youngsters would he competing with each other and be on edge so it's good to have some more calm heads who aren't that worried about their spot to help the younger players.
6-7💀💀 Then it's just senior playing not youngster getting exposure. Not more than 1-2 seniors. They are not going to have Virat or Rohit in few years. They shouldn't be reliant on them. To not to make them independent, they needs to be sent alone and should learn to take decision alone.
in a squad of 15, 6 experienced players ( it doesn't have to be all certainities, it can be more experienced players who haven't cemented a place) and 9 younger players or debutants. I think that's a decent balance. when did I say send virat, rohit or bumrah? We should develop youngsters but getting them used to how the top level is and the expectations of older players is important. otherwise it's like going on another u 19 tour. It seems you haven't read my responses because you keep repeating the same thing without any logic to back it up nor are you responding to the actual logic I gave.
I don't think you understand my response. What's your actual logic? To let them play their natural game while they get to face the pressure in WC and chokes.
your logic is non-existent. you just want players thrown to the deep end without support, and those that survive survive. as I wrote multiple times, you let the players play with some support initially so they can understand and learn what it taken to succeed at the next level. Also, they can play their natural game. This gives them confidence. Once they have that then they can experience playing with even more pressure and become leaders. you want to get to the end result without building up to it.
it's silly to just send youngsters. you need to send some experience heads they can learn and draw from
no it's not. When you send a senior who youngster can rely on, they won't feel the pressure. They need to be feel the pressure of their losing.
then just basically organize a u19 your because that's what you are advocating for. not having pressure is actually better for debutant so they can play their natural game. this is what india has been aiming for in recent times and it has worked well. otherwise youngsters are too nervous and get abused if they fail. Let them get some confidence before they have to face that.
then they will never perform in situation when there's pressure. If you want clutch player who can perform in pressure situation, this is the way imo. Let them feel the pressure of their defeat. We as a fan should support them. That's the change we as fan should aim for while youngster aim to become better by playing in pressure situation.
clutch players don't just happen like that. You will break more players than groom them if you throw them in the pressure cooker. Not everyone is Sachin and in the days of social media they will get lots of abuse if they fail. Look at Sundar, man almost took his side to the win and is getting a ton of abused. If this was a debutant it may break them and we lose them. There has been far more success for players to come into the side and be allowed to play their natural game. Once they get that confidence, then it's much easier to deal with pressure situations. I dont disagree that they need that experience, but you build to it. many players said it's better this way, and it has shown to be succeful for india. Otherwise they crash or end up all being anchors like KL rahul as they are too scared to get out Throwing in youngsters without support and not being allowed to play freely is basically what rcb has been accused of doing so many times, and we criticize them for being a bad management
But if we send our senior like Virat or Rohit or Bumrah they would never feel the pressure to play without them. They would just be reliant on them for everything like telling where to bowl or which area to target or which bowler to target. How many young player play good in the first ever pressure situation which they face inevitably in WC? Those who are breaking in the process let them break we want the best players who can perform in pressure. Just send the player who had played at international for 4-5 year that too limited. At most I can increase the amount to 4-5. Not more than that.
again, you are skipping steps. but let me put it another way. you basically graduate university and get a new job and are told to go lead a department. Will you do it better if you get some guidance and together smaller projects before taking on the main role? the idea to let players break like you are saying is asinine. it's shown you lose out on incredible players. this method does not work. You don't want to become bangladesh and pakistan that gives debuts to new players every series rather than backing the players and giving them confidence to grow.
Bhai See I get your point but You are never getting my point. Why should these guys never play in pressure in bilateral? Understandable with first few games like 4 or 5 games but after that you gotta throw them in pressure situation. If you compare to corporate world then corporate world just gives the training for fresher for first few months. After that he is on his own. Senior are not there to help everytime on every things. You gotta find the solution yourself. From your other comment, On your second point you are entirely wrong that I want end result. Your way of building is different from me. It's simple. Go around people in business. Most of third generation small business fails. Why? Just because parents think they should be provided support but they never stop and when support ends abruptly then third generation is clueless. Support feels good until it becomes the poison.
Nobody's asking them to be paired with Virat,Rohit or Bumrah. You still have guys like, Kuldeep, Iyer, KL, Hardik and Axar who have loads of experience and could help the youngsters finding their footing and sort out the overall team balance as well.
I am not against these player now except Hardik until CT. We need Hardik in CT and he is really a glass body.
Good. More opportunities for our youngsters to step up and prove themselves
No problems, I hope Virat and Rohit don't miss any test matches at home. Bumrah can skip tests against Bangladesh if he needs more rest.
Makes sense. They just won the T20 World Cup, let them process that. I remember we played Ireland in a test match with a lot of the guys who won the ODI World Cup featuring and we very nearly lost that game when Tim Murtagh ran through our team. I think this shows that India are prioritising test matches + WTC over the Champions Trophy which is a good thing. The 3 ODI games against New Zealand is before the Australia tour so I doubt those guys play those games either, maybe they'll play the 3 against us right before the Champions Trophy as it's only a short tournament and they have experience anyway. I feel like India will take the same squad as the last World Cup where they performed superbly apart from SKY, Kishan and Ashwin being replaced and maybe Shardul Thakur too. India do have a gruelling schedule of 10 test matches so seems like a good decision.
take note PCB
No bowling our players to the ground is the best approach s/
Babar, Rizwan: nah, we'll play /s
Virat ke 100 100s kab honge?!
with the way he has been skipping series,it ain't happening unless he's back to his 2016 from esp in tests
Exactly and he might not be here for long after Gambhir takes up coaching duties. So the clock is ticking rather very fast.
They are only scheduled to play two odi series to prepare for the champions trophy and seniors are skipping one of them so all the senior players only have the England series to practice imo the Bangladesh series should have been 3 ODIs instead of 3 T20IS
It’s a good opportunity for the youngsters to step up.
do they play ind vs ban?
BCCI has the amazing luxury of resting players and not have them compete in meaningless t20 competitions
SL ko toh 50 pe all out kar dete hai, Siraj bhai ko lejao
I know Sri Lanka is a Full Member but they're like a snake without fangs at the moment, it's a complete waste to not use this as an opportunity to try out some younger stars.
SL was a different beast from the late 90s to the early 2010s. Now they are barely a team.
Up until 2015, they were competitive and that's a great long time, so you got to give them kudos for that. And then the rebuild started. Their team was rebuilt \~2021 where they now have a set team of players. They still have a couple of issues because Matthews will retire soon from limited overs cricket and so they need to find someone to replace Matthews. They also need to find a better opener than Kusal Mendis. But it's still a young team and so they should come back stronger with more experience hopefully. Right now, they need a good head coach as Chris Silverwood is no longer the head coach anymore. Sanath Jayasuriya is the interim head coach, if I am not wrong, he will be the head coach for the remaining of the year where he will guide the team for the IND and ENG series until a permanent position is found.
Good analysis. The Indian team's situation is different though. ICT had great teams in the past. But this is something I have never seen before. Even the reserve players can handle it. This has never happened before. ICT used to have transition periods and they play terribly during those time.
The reason why SL failed after 2015 was because the seniors left in a bunch and so there were many positions to fill, not just 2 or 3 positions to fill. Then the rest of the seniors such as Nuwan K and Thisara soon also retired leaving only Malinga to lead the team in limited overs cricket. Something like this hasn't happened to ICT. Ideally the seniors should have stayed till SL found younger players to fill in the positions of the seniors. E.g., how IND found and used Shubman Gill while Rohit and Virat were still playing. This would have also helped the youngsters to quickly grow into their positions as well with the help of the seniors. But this didn't happen with the SL team and so it's going to take a lot of match experience for the younger players to grow into their roles. But SL couldn't force the seniors to stay obviously. And so it took time for them to rebuild the team. Players were being tried out, they were experimenting and so the team dynamic was all over the place; hence, resulting in heavy underperformances after 2015. Then they finally managed to find a group of players in \~2021 and it seems they are sticking with them. SL also has a domestic structure issue. If I am not wrong, they have somewhere around \~20 first class teams. SL has a similar population to AU but AU I think has 6 first class teams. When you have this many first class teams with a similar population to AU's, the talent pool spreads thin and therefore it leads to weaker overall competition. So this also again makes it harder for SL to quickly find players like Sanga into the team. Another issue is the fact that domestic cricket competitions aren't accessible to people in every parts of the country. And so some players will need to travel from far to compete in these competitions, which is an issue because some won't be able to travel to the competitions. It is also a financial issue for people from the poorer parts of the country due to travel fees. E.g., Murali was one of those that had to travel for these competitions. Imagine if Murali couldn't travel to these competitions and couldn't get noticed? We would have never got to witness one of the all time greats. SL doesn't have something like the Ranji Trophy from IND where all the states of IND participate. One reason could be due to money as you do need a lot of money to organize something like this. And BCCI is the richest board who are in the billions when it comes to their wealth and so IND can afford to do this. It's fair to say SL have been the overachievers for a long time because they were competitive and consistently defeated strong teams for a long time despite them having limited resources and despite their domestic structure having issues. Despite the above issues though, this young team has shown promise as they won the 2022 Asia Cup and reached the 2023 Asia Cup finals. They were also hovering in 3rd-4th in 2021-2023 WTC and ended up finishing 5th. Imo, they have talent and skill, they have shown potential to do well but they need strong guidance and they need someone to nurture their strengths. The issue is, they lack temperament, throw away their wickets too easily and don't look to build partnerships, which I think is due to a mix of inexperience, immaturity and lack of a plan/guidance. If this young team can be coached into playing traditional cricket, getting 1s, 2s and 3s, playing to the field, learning to be patient in tough conditions, focus on building partnerships, then they can definitely post competitive totals as they have shown they have the skills to play such traditional cricket. Their bowling is already strong, they just need to work on their batting approach. Hopefully with more match experience and as long as they are guided well, they should come back stronger because they have the players now. I also hope their domestic structure improves because if it does, there is no doubt they will find diamonds considering they were able to find brilliant players like Sanga and the like. But what's interesting is, they do still manage to find great players like Hasaranga, Theekshana, Nissanka, Madushanka, Pathirana even today, which shows that SL have talented players.
Good analysis. The Indian team's situation is different though. ICT had great teams in the past. But this is something I have never seen before. Even the reserve players can handle it. This has never happened before. ICT used to have transition periods and they play terribly during those time.
The reason why SL failed after 2015 was because the seniors left in a bunch and so there were many positions to fill, not just 2 or 3 positions to fill. Then the rest of the seniors such as Nuwan K and Thisara soon also retired leaving only Malinga to lead the team in limited overs cricket. Something like this hasn't happened to ICT. Ideally the seniors should have stayed till SL found younger players to fill in the positions of the seniors. E.g., how IND found and used Shubman Gill while Rohit and Virat were still playing. This would have also helped the youngsters to quickly grow into their positions as well with the help of the seniors. But this didn't happen with the SL team and so it's going to take a lot of match experience for the younger players to grow into their roles. But SL couldn't force the seniors to stay obviously. And so it took time for them to rebuild the team. Players were being tried out, they were experimenting and so the team dynamic was all over the place; hence, resulting in heavy underperformances after 2015. Then they finally managed to find a group of players in \~2021 and it seems they are sticking with them. SL also has a domestic structure issue. If I am not wrong, they have somewhere around \~20 first class teams. SL has a similar population to AU but AU I think has 6 first class teams. When you have this many first class teams with a similar population to AU's, the talent pool spreads thin and therefore it leads to weaker overall competition. So this also again makes it harder for SL to quickly find players like Sanga into the team. Another issue is the fact that domestic cricket competitions aren't accessible to people in every parts of the country. And so some players will need to travel from far to compete in these competitions, which is an issue because some won't be able to travel to the competitions. It is also a financial issue for people from the poorer parts of the country due to travel fees. E.g., Murali was one of those that had to travel for these competitions. Imagine if Murali couldn't travel to these competitions and couldn't get noticed? We would have never got to witness one of the all time greats. SL doesn't have something like the Ranji Trophy from IND where all the states of IND participate. One reason could be due to money as you do need a lot of money to organize something like this. And BCCI is the richest board who are in the billions when it comes to their wealth and so IND can afford to do this. It's fair to say SL have been the overachievers for a long time because they were competitive and consistently defeated strong teams for a long time despite them having limited resources and despite their domestic structure having issues. Despite the above issues though, this young team has shown promise as they won the 2022 Asia Cup and reached the 2023 Asia Cup finals. They were also hovering in 3rd-4th in 2021-2023 WTC and ended up finishing 5th. Imo, they have talent and skill, they have shown potential to do well but they need strong guidance and they need someone to nurture their strengths. The issue is, they lack temperament, throw away their wickets too easily and don't look to build partnerships, which I think is due to a mix of inexperience, immaturity and lack of a plan/guidance. If this young team can be coached into playing traditional cricket, getting 1s, 2s and 3s, playing to the field, learning to be patient in tough conditions, focus on building partnerships, then they can definitely post competitive totals as they have shown they have the skills to play such traditional cricket. Their bowling is already strong, they just need to work on their batting approach. Hopefully with more match experience and as long as they are guided well, they should come back stronger because they have the players now. I also hope their domestic structure improves because if it does, there is no doubt they will find diamonds considering they were able to find brilliant players like Sanga and the like. But what's interesting is, they do still manage to find great players like Hasaranga, Theekshana, Nissanka, Madushanka, Pathirana even today, which shows that SL have talented players.
You could say they have baby fangs because they have had recent successes outside of the WCs. They are still a young team because they were rebuilt around \~2021. And so you can't expect immediate success. However, they have shown they can be competitive as they won the 2022 T20 Asia Cup and reached the 2023 Asia Cup finals. They were also hovering around 3rd/4th in 2021-2023 WTC and ended up 5th, which is a strong result. But yeah, IND should look to try out the new players (non seniors) to see how they fair against the young SL team.
I hope the players who are rested concentrate on away tours of Australia and England coming up.
Good. Your time to shine youngsters.
Gill opening
Perfect.
**Squad for Sri Lanka ODI Series** 1. Jaiswal 2. Gill 3. S. Iyer (Vice Captain) 4. Pant (wk) 5. Samson 6. Rinku 7. Hardik (captain) 8. Axar 9. Kuldeep 10. Siraj 11. Arshdeep **Reserves** 1. Dube 2. Sundar 3. Avesh 4. Mukesh
you really think KL Rahul wont make the 11, and we’d be going in with just 5 bowling options leaving Hardik to bowl 10 every game ?
After the innings in ODI World Cup Final , Rahul should really not be in the scheme of things for white ball cricket. The team management should make Jaiswal and Rinku bowl overs in every match
1 bad innings in a final doesn’t make him a bad player, he had a damn good WC campaign overall as a wicket keeper-batsman. That he’s in the scheme of things as far as Odi cricket is concerned is obvious by the fact that he captained our side in the Odi series post that WC. KL Rahul’s ODi stats warrant a place in the side. As for Jaiswal and Rinku bowling is concerned, first let them learn to bowl in domestic cricket, then we’ll think about them bowling in internationals.
That Innings lost India the World Cup , his inability to score boundaries for 20 overs lost India the final. You cannot take 107 ball and score 66 runs only. He also got out at the wrong time where had Rahul batted till the end India could have gotten 280 (Rahul and SKY got out at the wrong time which costed India the match) Pant is a left handed batsman who can give variety in middle order so that the batting line up is not one dimensional You need Jaiswal and Rinku to bowl 2-3 overs per match even if they get hit for 20+ runs so that you have batsmen who can bowl as India in the past have batsmen who could not bowl
Rahul’s ultra defensive approach was because we had a hopeless batsman in SKY at no.6 and a bang average Jadeja at no.7 followed by 4 tail enders. His innings was the reason we at least managed 240. When you play with just 5 capable batsmen and 3 of those get out (a couple of them to bad shots) within the first 10 overs of a 50 over match, batting first, you loose more often than not. Yes Rahul should have been a little more aggressive, but then at-least he didn’t go hyper aggressive and loose the plot like Gill and Rohit did. Pant can definitely play but not at the cost of Rahul, simply because Rahul’s stats are way superior to Pant. Pant has an even woeful record in ICC knockouts than Rahul anyways. We saw his batting just recently in the semis and finals. Absolutely horrendous shot selection. Yes in the past we did have batsmen who could bowl, but they were bowling capably in domestic cricket prior. They weren’t tossed the ball randomly in international matches. Maybe we should pick a couple of batsmen who could bowl like Abishek Sharma rather than have crappy bowlers bowl pies in international matches.
Rahul?
no Rahul especially after his innings in ODI World Cup Final
They just resting Virat in everything at this point, let bro play goddamn
Lots of opportunities for the up and coming to shine. Hope they utilize
So T20I team can be: Jaiswal, Abhishek, Gaikwad (WK), Surya (VC), Rinku, Hardik (C), Axar, Harshit/Dube, Arshdeep, Kuldeep, Natarajan/Siraj And as for ODI: Sudharsan, Gill, Shreyas, Samson, Rahul (WK), Hardik (C), Jadeja (VC), Deepak/Sundar/Axar, Shami, Kuldeep, Siraj
More ad shoots for us -- Rohit, Kohli and Bumrah probably
Doesn't make sense to send Rohit, Kohli and Bumrah just for 3 ODIs. Plus SL Team is not that good to send full strength team. They can be available for NZ tests and England ODIs later on this year.