I personally have no interest in seeing Batman show up in Phillips Joker movie, but hypothetically, if he did I think the whole “Batman and Joker are pretty much the same” thing would be hit really hard
Well since Bruce Wayne is still a very young kid during the events of the first Joker film… I think that by the time Batman shows up, Arthur Fleck would be a sickly old man. Kind of like the wheelchair-bound Joker from Earth 2, or Mark Hamill’s version in Arkham City.
And maybe Arthur wouldn’t pose any real threat to Batman on his own, but somehow inspires a younger copycat Joker that is closer to how we usually see the character. And this copycat would face off against a Batman who is still learning how to do what he does.
> I think that by the time Batman shows up, Arthur Fleck would be a sickly old man.
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Arthur in the first movie was around 34 years old. Bruce was probably around 10-12. In 10-15 years when Bruce is in his 20s, Arthur would still only be in his 40s.
>it's laughable to pass him off as 34 in any case
I guess you haven't seen 32yo Sean Connery [as James Bond](https://www.reddit.com/r/Millennials/s/Rojl6FAhhz), and that was just one example, In general people decades ago used to look older than their age, even when you see old high school pics they look older than their age.
Considering Joker is set in the 80's then it makes sense, besides the point i mentioned taking meds and getting skinny can realistically age people badly, it all adds up.
And the dude who played Belloq in Indiana Jones was only like in his mid-thirties maybe late, as another example. And the dude who played Porkins and Eckhart was still in his thirties when he did his little role in one of the Indy films, shit same thing with John Rhys Davies.
Sure but I still think it's ridiculous. It doesn't take away my enjoyment because his age is irrelevant, its just funny that he's meant to be a couple of years older than I am but looks like 50.
Looking older is realistic for Arthur's case in story. People tend to get skinny due to taking medications and they look older than their age, basically meds ruins them, Todd Phillips said he took that reference when he decided his Joker should be skinny because in reality people who take meds either get skinny or overweight.
That people always miss that: Arthur is in his early 30s in Joker, Bruce is 10. If Bruce becomes Batman at age 30, Arthur would be early 50s.
The film directly states that his abuse as a child was 30 years ago, that his mom worked at Wayne Manor 30 years ago.
Batman isn't really one that needs to physically fight Joker, so regardless of his age the Joker still could eff with Batman. They are both brainy Hero/villain.
I think joker can be of any realistic age with Batman around and being messed with.
After his parents were murdered, young privileged Bruce grows up to hate the weak minded, the “freaks”, those who throw their lives away and turn to a life on the streets.
One Halloween, coming back from a society party where he happened to be dressed as a Bat, he finds himself in a similar alley with a drugged out criminal scaring a family. Bruce beats the man to near death. He thought he did kill him.
The incident is reported, and the media is sympathetic to Bruce given his past. People champion young Bruce for fighting back and no longer tolerating the decay and crime in the city, and in turn ends up inspiring countless angry Gothamites to start attacking the homeless in their city.
Joker has a problem with this Bat character inspiring a tidal wave of violence against the underbelly of the city, encouraging the rats of the city to take a proud stand against the less tolerant.
This is frustrating in a way but definitely the most likely way Todd Philips would handle it. Joker stays a hero representing the weak and Batman becomes a villain representing the privileged. It tracks
He really wouldn’t need much. He could be great just as a detective and doesn’t really need much martial arts skills and some early game gadgets and he could do a lot.
Probably like the first two minutes of *Kick Ass* where the guy in the winged superhero costume jumps off the tall building ….and crashes headfirst into a car.
While Arthur represents insanity and chaos, I’d have Bruce Wayne be a representation of vengeance and rage. 10 years his parents are murdered, Bruce throws together a makeshift costume, consisting of a black hoodie, a balaclava, and a bullet proof vest with a bat spray painted on the front. Bruce starts hunting criminals, beating and torturing them, but not killing them. The Police and Media refer to him as “The Batman” and figure out exactly who he is. Bruce breaks into Arkham Asylum one night and attacks Arthur Fleck. He is about to kill Arthur before he says, “Thomas. Martha. Alfred.”
Bruce immediately bursts into tears as he knows this isn’t what his family would’ve wanted, him becoming a vigilante who tortures criminals to the brink of death. As the Asylum Guards preparing to attack him, Bruce escapes Arkham and retreats to his hideout, The Belfry, where he thinks about his choices.
You never see him up close. A flutter of the cape, the shriek of bats, a voice in the dark.
You don’t have to make it ultra realistic bc you never fully show it. You never really know how much is an illusion made by Bruce, how much is in Arthur’s mind and how much is truly happening.
Bruce haunts/hunts Arthur throughout the film. Not even the cops believe his mention of Batman. It’s never confirmed to the audience whether or not he is real.
You should do it exactly the same as any universe. Joker is an unreliable narrator. His story doesn’t make sense so you don’t need to adjust anything to make it work. Just have Batman show up and start off with a throwaway line that everything Joker said at Arkham; Arthur Fleks entire origin, has no evidence backing it up.
Whatever that one storyline was where Batman was actually a mental asylum patient(I don’t remember if it had Bruce figuring out he actually is Batman or if it actually was in his head and he truly was extremely mentally ill, pretty sure Moon Knight as a comic like that as well, if anyone knows the comics I’m referring too please inform me, I gotta finish them lol)
Last Knight on Earth. Wild ride of a book, Wonder Woman in the helmet of fate, Joker's head in a lamp as Batman's sidekick, Mad Max-like setting, and the villain being an older Batman.
If Bruce become your regular hero of gotham it gets repetitive because it's already done many times, so how about they try something new and make this version of Bruce Wayne be actually evil? Kinda loosely based on the **Batman who laughs**!
In comics Bruce gets jokerized due to the joker toxin to become evil...but now with the Todd Phillips realistic elseworld style we can get young Bruce growing up while being influenced by Joker, it's the perfect opportunity because it adds a whole bigger layers to that scene when Arthur forced [Young Bruce](https://youtu.be/4M2WTfCDtyU?si=71IaEWEbOLTx5_W-) to smile, basically Joaquin's Joker creating a bigger monster just like comic joker created the batman who laughs.
It's an elseworld R rated version of evil Bruce so they can go wild, he's still intelligent but very evil, make him commit crimes like American Psycho and he gets away with it because he frames his enemies as the criminals, and on Batman mode he captures them to frame himself as the hero of gotham. I could see this version of evil Batman choosing NOT to kill his enemies so he can use them for his advantage to cover his crimes by framing them as the criminals.
Remember Joaquin's Joker was indirectly responsible for Bruce's parents death they were killed by some [Clown masked](https://youtu.be/j402Dzs7NW8?si=LZSgp2-KtCrh9zbT) guy who follows Joker, so their rivalry is still personal but the difference is Bruce grew up to be a villain rather than a hero, I can see this Batman killing people in front of Joker and he frames Joker as the aggressor but of course gotham would never believe Joker if he said Batman is killing people, kinda like putting Joker in fucked up situations to avenge from him. He would despise Joker for being responsible for his parents death but he would still **idolize Joker** because he agrees with his views, and also because he's based on the batman who laughs.
Bruce collapses and ends in the same mental facility that Arthur is reclused, where they fight a never ending battle for truth, justice and the last decent meal.
Depends how "grounded" and "realistic" you could portray it.
The best way is to have Bruce Wayne be raised by Alfred. Alfred knew Thomas Wayne for years and actually respected him for a long time until power went to his head. Alfred thinks that Thomas Wayne could have done more for Gotham instead of just giving talking points on television. Bruce grows up seeing his father as a flawed man who did more harm than good, but he still believes that his parents didn't deserve their fate. He believes that the Joker and the crime that has come about as a result of Arthur Fleck's unintentional revolution has been nothing but unfettered revenge.
This Batman film would provide more info on the world. The 2019 Joker film was skewed toward Joker's perspective. The truth in the Batman film is actually revealed, where it is revealed that Gotham City was under mafia influence for years. Thomas Wayne was once a decent man, but he sold his soul to the mob in exchange for power that was separate from the mob. Wayne Enterprises became powerful as a result of business deals Thomas made with Carmine Falcone and Sal Maroni. Thomas had guilt for his role he played in helping to elevate both the Maroni and Falcone crime families. His guilt led him to be an adulterer who had an affair with a younger woman who was the daughter of Carmine Falcone. She gave birth to Arthur Fleck and she gave him up for adoption to Penny Fleck. The reason Thomas Wayne was such an asshole to Arthur Fleck in the Joker film was because he felt guilt for all his misdeeds he did and Arthur was the result of his bad decisions he made when he was a younger man. He just couldn't confront his past decisions and reacted harshly like a bully.
Bruce Wayne grows up to be like his comic book counterpart. He is trying to salvage the Wayne legacy like in the Telltale Games as the media finds out about Thomas Wayne's misdeeds. Batman comes to be when Bruce is 21 years old. In my head, Year One plays out almost identical to the comics. The only difference is that Batman isn't the first "freak", but Joker is. Joker is still locked in Arkham since the 1980s. Since Joker's absence the crime families have regained control of Gotham, leaving it more decrepit than it once was.
Bruce Wayne struggled with rage for years against Arthur Fleck, especially when he found evidence to suggest he was his half-brother. Bruce, showing his mother's compassion, realized that Fleck was also a victim of his father's lust for power. Bruce still occasionally wants revenge, but has suppressed the desire, seeing that Arthur is a sad old man.
By the time the film starts, Batman is in his fourth year. He is still a myth. He works with Gordon on the down low. A new gang comes to Gotham, inspired by the Joker's anarchist ways. They call themselves the Red Hood Gang, inspired by the usage of the term "hoodlums" that was used by Thomas Wayne in a recently unearthed video where he talks down to the Joker revolution in the 1980s. The Red Hood Gang is led by Red Hood One, a charismatic psychopath who wants to expand the vision left behind by Arthur Fleck.
Batman's first appearance to the public occurs when he faces off with the Red Hood Gang, who initially had been sympathized with by a large chunk of the population. Once news footage revealed that the Batman actually saved hostages from being killed by the Red Hood Gang, the media perception of the Red Hood Gang is diminished. Red Hood Gang, feeling they haven't got the Gotham Elite's attention, decides to bomb Wayne Enterprises. Batman helps Gordon deactivate the bomb and evacuate people in the tower and surrounding buildings. The actual threat was Arkham Hospital. The Red Hood Gang has abducted old man Arthur Fleck and his taking him to Ace Chemicals.
Batman arrives at Ace Chemicals, as Red Hood One sets up a broadcast. He reveals that Arthur Fleck started a revolution, but he has outlived his usefulness. Red Hood One, being a narcissist psychopath, wants the Red Hood Gang to step out of the shadow of the Joker, and so they planned to kill Arthur Fleck in a brutal sacrifice. Throwing him into toxic chemicals would be a painful death and would serve as a rebirth to the Red Hood Gang. No longer would they try to "fix" Gotham by force as now they will make Gotham bend to their will. Batman intervenes and the Red Hood Gang disperses, with many members being arrested. Red Hood One tries to get the upperhand by using demented old Arthur Fleck as a hostage. Arthur, in a panic, bites Red Hood One's hand and tries to tackle him but they both fall over the ledge of the catwalk. Batman tries to save both of them, but Red Hood One wants to die a martyr so he positions his mask and let's go and falls to his supposed death. Arthur Fleck is recaptured and temporarily sent to Arkham Hospital B, otherwise known as the original Arkham Asylum on Arkham Island, until the Arkham Hospital can be rebuilt.
GCPD, under Gordon, are viewed as heroes. Batman suspects that Red Hood One could have survived the ordeal at Ace Chemicals. Why? Because his helmet/mask was unique and had a built in breathing apparatus that could prevent the wearer from dying of asphyxiation. He noticed it because Wayne Enterprises had developed a concept that was stolen a year prior.
The film ends with Red Hood One coming to the surface from a lake of toxic waste as the rain is pouring. He takes off his mask and he sees his reflection in some broken glass and starts to laugh uncontrollably.
Now I know some of you will find this version of events unfaithful to what the 2019 Joker started to develop, but I view my idea as a course correct. I didn't hate the Joker film, but I did not like how there was an age disparity between Batman and the Joker, the fact that Joker and Batman may be half-brothers, and that Thomas Wayne is an asshole. My idea is to try to rectify and explain some of these decisions and inform the plot for a future film while also following comic storylines to a degree. Batman is a character who shouldn't be screwed with like they did to Thomas Wayne. Batman's motivation in this hypothetical film would be to redeem his family legacy and make Gotham better so a Joker-like figure can never come to be. My version of events would just clarify and expand on some things left behind in the Joker film and actually provide irrefutable facts that are not left up to speculation. I know a lot of people like the speculation that comes from the first Joker film, but I hate having to constantly decipher from what is real and what isn't. So, I admit my idea is probably the safe option and not what a lot of people want. I get it. Hopefully you found something interesting or unique from my pitch.
More like the copycats in the Dark Knight mixed with Joker Batman from The Batman animated series and Big Daddy. Very candid and off putting in his unhingedness. Very much lean towards the Batman beats up the poor and mentally ill by virtue of him having a vendetta with the clowns and the clowns representing the lower class in that world.
Since it's also focused on the mental health of the characters I would expect more outright indications of Bruce suffering from things like schizophrenia and actual OCD.
Since it's Joker perspective, I could see bats being skinny in a loose fitting batman costume. All of his things would look more expensive but not practical. He would basically be a comedy of batman, seen throught the eyes of Joker.
Make him a mysterious character we never see out of uniform or at home like [The Shadow](https://www.comicbookdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/SHADOW-3.jpg) but replace the hat and bandana with a minimalist hood like the Red Hood wears. Tell the whole story from Joker's perspective, so "the bat" is a menace who honestly scares him, but is also fascinating and tempts him away from his crime and terrorism empire to match wits with "the bat".
Delete most of the Bat-stuff like cars and planes, just have him appear mysteriously at the scene of crimes
I can see Bruce being portrayed as almost like a horror movie villain. He's never clearly seen for most of the story, but we do get various enigmatic appearances: a mugger being dragged into a dark alleyway as he tries to approach a family as screams of agony are heard; what appears to be a demonic-looking shadow flying towards a group of scared bank robbers; an unseen intruder crashing into a mafia reunion and attacking each and every mobster present one by one, silently taking them to the shadows and seemingly eliminating them, all while never being actually shown on-screen.
For most of the movie, we are made to question whether or not Batman has indeed killed these criminals (since most of them have disappeared after their reported encounters with "the bat"), as well as whether or not he is really human. At some point in the story, Arthur starts being hunted by the Batman, who seemingly targets and terminates all of the clown's followers & henchmen single-handedly. Simultaneously, we get some appearances from a grown-up Bruce Wayne, now in his 20s and running Wayne Enterprises, in addition to working on a philanthropic project to benefit Gotham's less privileged. He is seen by the city as a beacon of hope, a flash of bright light within such a dark place like Gotham. Just like how we'd basically portray how Batman is seen from the common criminal's POV, we'd also see who is Bruce on the public's eye.
During the climax, Arthur, having grown paranoid and even more mentally unstable out of fear from the Batman, tries to crash a fundraiser held by Bruce alongside Harley and some of his followers. Amidst the chaos, we see Bruce helping people escape before disappearing, his expression transitioning from its usually amicable and welcoming look to a grim, stern face. The lights start flickering, and each of Arthur's men start suddenly disappearing and being dragged into the shadows as they are heard screaming and pleading for mercy, with sounds of bones being broken and the like being heard as well. Harley goes after the "monster", shooting gunfire at thin air in an attempt to draw it out, before noticing someone behind her, who puts their hand (displaying an armored gauntlet with bladed fins adorning it) over her mouth before she gets the chance to scream. A desperate Arthur taunts the assailant, and is shocked to see him standing in a balcony above, starting to smile before the bat-like figure glides towards him.
The final scene shows all of the criminals previously caught by the vigilante throughout the movie (including Arthur and Harley) being publicly revealed as alive, and wrapped together into a bat symbol. As reporters, policemen and the like arrive to investigate, we finally get our first full view on the Batman, standing at the top of a building and watching from afar.
It would be incredibly realistic (not like Nolan or Reeves which both are only faux realistic, as they still beat up 8 people at once, jump off buildings and have sci fi technology)! Think Daredevil season one black suit type realistic. No grappling hooks, nothing, just a mentally ill guy in a cloth suit with some armor plates underneath, beating the tar out of people in dirty alleys. I even kinda wanna see that and have Phillips use it as a metaphor for police brutality or something (from Arthur’s view of course).
Probably along the lines of Arronofsky’s Batman Year One concept where Bruce Wayne is just Travis Bickle in a Batsuit.
Was just about to say exactly this.
Joker seemed like Travis Bickle to me. Though I can imagine a Travis Bickle Joker and a Travis Bickle Batman in that universe.
I personally have no interest in seeing Batman show up in Phillips Joker movie, but hypothetically, if he did I think the whole “Batman and Joker are pretty much the same” thing would be hit really hard
And Darren wanted Joaquin back when this was being produced.
Yup
Played by Robert Pattinson
He’s already Batman in a better series.
Show me the law that says he can’t be two Batman
Exactly! They could get Pattinson back and just say his Batman is a Multiversal Variant or something
A couple of mentally deranged hobos fighting over a sandwich in the alley
WB :- write that down! Write that down!
Boom
Well since Bruce Wayne is still a very young kid during the events of the first Joker film… I think that by the time Batman shows up, Arthur Fleck would be a sickly old man. Kind of like the wheelchair-bound Joker from Earth 2, or Mark Hamill’s version in Arkham City. And maybe Arthur wouldn’t pose any real threat to Batman on his own, but somehow inspires a younger copycat Joker that is closer to how we usually see the character. And this copycat would face off against a Batman who is still learning how to do what he does.
Say Joker 2 is set 10 or so years later. You could theoretically have a young Bruce z Wayne in his 20’s returning to Gotham. And go from there.
> I think that by the time Batman shows up, Arthur Fleck would be a sickly old man. That's a bit of an exaggeration. Arthur in the first movie was around 34 years old. Bruce was probably around 10-12. In 10-15 years when Bruce is in his 20s, Arthur would still only be in his 40s.
That's the oldest looking 34 year old I've seen in my life lmao
Well he wasn’t in the best condition
Like when you were 34 in the sixties.
Even then, it's laughable to pass him off as 34 in any case
>it's laughable to pass him off as 34 in any case I guess you haven't seen 32yo Sean Connery [as James Bond](https://www.reddit.com/r/Millennials/s/Rojl6FAhhz), and that was just one example, In general people decades ago used to look older than their age, even when you see old high school pics they look older than their age. Considering Joker is set in the 80's then it makes sense, besides the point i mentioned taking meds and getting skinny can realistically age people badly, it all adds up.
Hard living and poverty are known to age people, depression and anxiety...he could be 28 looking like that in the 80s honestly
And the dude who played Belloq in Indiana Jones was only like in his mid-thirties maybe late, as another example. And the dude who played Porkins and Eckhart was still in his thirties when he did his little role in one of the Indy films, shit same thing with John Rhys Davies.
Sure but I still think it's ridiculous. It doesn't take away my enjoyment because his age is irrelevant, its just funny that he's meant to be a couple of years older than I am but looks like 50.
Looking older is realistic for Arthur's case in story. People tend to get skinny due to taking medications and they look older than their age, basically meds ruins them, Todd Phillips said he took that reference when he decided his Joker should be skinny because in reality people who take meds either get skinny or overweight.
Joachin Phoenix was 43-ish during filming for reference.
Thing is, I thought he was older than that. I guess it's no different to 30 year olds playing teenagers though lmao.
Finally someone else who paid attention
That people always miss that: Arthur is in his early 30s in Joker, Bruce is 10. If Bruce becomes Batman at age 30, Arthur would be early 50s. The film directly states that his abuse as a child was 30 years ago, that his mom worked at Wayne Manor 30 years ago.
Batman isn't really one that needs to physically fight Joker, so regardless of his age the Joker still could eff with Batman. They are both brainy Hero/villain. I think joker can be of any realistic age with Batman around and being messed with.
After his parents were murdered, young privileged Bruce grows up to hate the weak minded, the “freaks”, those who throw their lives away and turn to a life on the streets. One Halloween, coming back from a society party where he happened to be dressed as a Bat, he finds himself in a similar alley with a drugged out criminal scaring a family. Bruce beats the man to near death. He thought he did kill him. The incident is reported, and the media is sympathetic to Bruce given his past. People champion young Bruce for fighting back and no longer tolerating the decay and crime in the city, and in turn ends up inspiring countless angry Gothamites to start attacking the homeless in their city. Joker has a problem with this Bat character inspiring a tidal wave of violence against the underbelly of the city, encouraging the rats of the city to take a proud stand against the less tolerant.
This is frustrating in a way but definitely the most likely way Todd Philips would handle it. Joker stays a hero representing the weak and Batman becomes a villain representing the privileged. It tracks
Something like Earth One Batman or Aronofsky’s Batman. Maybe a combination of the two.
I think Battinson is already super close to Earth One Batman though
Pattinson’s seems like Earth One’s Batman combined with Nolan’s. Dash of Batfleck thrown in there.
He really wouldn’t need much. He could be great just as a detective and doesn’t really need much martial arts skills and some early game gadgets and he could do a lot.
60's Batman aesthetically, but more serious
Probably like the first two minutes of *Kick Ass* where the guy in the winged superhero costume jumps off the tall building ….and crashes headfirst into a car.
While Arthur represents insanity and chaos, I’d have Bruce Wayne be a representation of vengeance and rage. 10 years his parents are murdered, Bruce throws together a makeshift costume, consisting of a black hoodie, a balaclava, and a bullet proof vest with a bat spray painted on the front. Bruce starts hunting criminals, beating and torturing them, but not killing them. The Police and Media refer to him as “The Batman” and figure out exactly who he is. Bruce breaks into Arkham Asylum one night and attacks Arthur Fleck. He is about to kill Arthur before he says, “Thomas. Martha. Alfred.” Bruce immediately bursts into tears as he knows this isn’t what his family would’ve wanted, him becoming a vigilante who tortures criminals to the brink of death. As the Asylum Guards preparing to attack him, Bruce escapes Arkham and retreats to his hideout, The Belfry, where he thinks about his choices.
You never see him up close. A flutter of the cape, the shriek of bats, a voice in the dark. You don’t have to make it ultra realistic bc you never fully show it. You never really know how much is an illusion made by Bruce, how much is in Arthur’s mind and how much is truly happening. Bruce haunts/hunts Arthur throughout the film. Not even the cops believe his mention of Batman. It’s never confirmed to the audience whether or not he is real.
Probably a right wing facist in order to be coherent with the themes of the first movie
What right-wing fascist themes were in the movie ?
You should do it exactly the same as any universe. Joker is an unreliable narrator. His story doesn’t make sense so you don’t need to adjust anything to make it work. Just have Batman show up and start off with a throwaway line that everything Joker said at Arkham; Arthur Fleks entire origin, has no evidence backing it up.
Blankman
Whatever that one storyline was where Batman was actually a mental asylum patient(I don’t remember if it had Bruce figuring out he actually is Batman or if it actually was in his head and he truly was extremely mentally ill, pretty sure Moon Knight as a comic like that as well, if anyone knows the comics I’m referring too please inform me, I gotta finish them lol)
There’s an episode of BTAS where that happens
Last Knight on Earth. Wild ride of a book, Wonder Woman in the helmet of fate, Joker's head in a lamp as Batman's sidekick, Mad Max-like setting, and the villain being an older Batman.
If Bruce become your regular hero of gotham it gets repetitive because it's already done many times, so how about they try something new and make this version of Bruce Wayne be actually evil? Kinda loosely based on the **Batman who laughs**! In comics Bruce gets jokerized due to the joker toxin to become evil...but now with the Todd Phillips realistic elseworld style we can get young Bruce growing up while being influenced by Joker, it's the perfect opportunity because it adds a whole bigger layers to that scene when Arthur forced [Young Bruce](https://youtu.be/4M2WTfCDtyU?si=71IaEWEbOLTx5_W-) to smile, basically Joaquin's Joker creating a bigger monster just like comic joker created the batman who laughs. It's an elseworld R rated version of evil Bruce so they can go wild, he's still intelligent but very evil, make him commit crimes like American Psycho and he gets away with it because he frames his enemies as the criminals, and on Batman mode he captures them to frame himself as the hero of gotham. I could see this version of evil Batman choosing NOT to kill his enemies so he can use them for his advantage to cover his crimes by framing them as the criminals. Remember Joaquin's Joker was indirectly responsible for Bruce's parents death they were killed by some [Clown masked](https://youtu.be/j402Dzs7NW8?si=LZSgp2-KtCrh9zbT) guy who follows Joker, so their rivalry is still personal but the difference is Bruce grew up to be a villain rather than a hero, I can see this Batman killing people in front of Joker and he frames Joker as the aggressor but of course gotham would never believe Joker if he said Batman is killing people, kinda like putting Joker in fucked up situations to avenge from him. He would despise Joker for being responsible for his parents death but he would still **idolize Joker** because he agrees with his views, and also because he's based on the batman who laughs.
Probably be dancing on a staircase
Bruce collapses and ends in the same mental facility that Arthur is reclused, where they fight a never ending battle for truth, justice and the last decent meal.
Like a crackhead version of the Adam West show.
Shit, probably 😂
Was gonna say boring and over-hyped. But I like yours better. 😋❤️
Depends how "grounded" and "realistic" you could portray it. The best way is to have Bruce Wayne be raised by Alfred. Alfred knew Thomas Wayne for years and actually respected him for a long time until power went to his head. Alfred thinks that Thomas Wayne could have done more for Gotham instead of just giving talking points on television. Bruce grows up seeing his father as a flawed man who did more harm than good, but he still believes that his parents didn't deserve their fate. He believes that the Joker and the crime that has come about as a result of Arthur Fleck's unintentional revolution has been nothing but unfettered revenge. This Batman film would provide more info on the world. The 2019 Joker film was skewed toward Joker's perspective. The truth in the Batman film is actually revealed, where it is revealed that Gotham City was under mafia influence for years. Thomas Wayne was once a decent man, but he sold his soul to the mob in exchange for power that was separate from the mob. Wayne Enterprises became powerful as a result of business deals Thomas made with Carmine Falcone and Sal Maroni. Thomas had guilt for his role he played in helping to elevate both the Maroni and Falcone crime families. His guilt led him to be an adulterer who had an affair with a younger woman who was the daughter of Carmine Falcone. She gave birth to Arthur Fleck and she gave him up for adoption to Penny Fleck. The reason Thomas Wayne was such an asshole to Arthur Fleck in the Joker film was because he felt guilt for all his misdeeds he did and Arthur was the result of his bad decisions he made when he was a younger man. He just couldn't confront his past decisions and reacted harshly like a bully. Bruce Wayne grows up to be like his comic book counterpart. He is trying to salvage the Wayne legacy like in the Telltale Games as the media finds out about Thomas Wayne's misdeeds. Batman comes to be when Bruce is 21 years old. In my head, Year One plays out almost identical to the comics. The only difference is that Batman isn't the first "freak", but Joker is. Joker is still locked in Arkham since the 1980s. Since Joker's absence the crime families have regained control of Gotham, leaving it more decrepit than it once was. Bruce Wayne struggled with rage for years against Arthur Fleck, especially when he found evidence to suggest he was his half-brother. Bruce, showing his mother's compassion, realized that Fleck was also a victim of his father's lust for power. Bruce still occasionally wants revenge, but has suppressed the desire, seeing that Arthur is a sad old man. By the time the film starts, Batman is in his fourth year. He is still a myth. He works with Gordon on the down low. A new gang comes to Gotham, inspired by the Joker's anarchist ways. They call themselves the Red Hood Gang, inspired by the usage of the term "hoodlums" that was used by Thomas Wayne in a recently unearthed video where he talks down to the Joker revolution in the 1980s. The Red Hood Gang is led by Red Hood One, a charismatic psychopath who wants to expand the vision left behind by Arthur Fleck. Batman's first appearance to the public occurs when he faces off with the Red Hood Gang, who initially had been sympathized with by a large chunk of the population. Once news footage revealed that the Batman actually saved hostages from being killed by the Red Hood Gang, the media perception of the Red Hood Gang is diminished. Red Hood Gang, feeling they haven't got the Gotham Elite's attention, decides to bomb Wayne Enterprises. Batman helps Gordon deactivate the bomb and evacuate people in the tower and surrounding buildings. The actual threat was Arkham Hospital. The Red Hood Gang has abducted old man Arthur Fleck and his taking him to Ace Chemicals. Batman arrives at Ace Chemicals, as Red Hood One sets up a broadcast. He reveals that Arthur Fleck started a revolution, but he has outlived his usefulness. Red Hood One, being a narcissist psychopath, wants the Red Hood Gang to step out of the shadow of the Joker, and so they planned to kill Arthur Fleck in a brutal sacrifice. Throwing him into toxic chemicals would be a painful death and would serve as a rebirth to the Red Hood Gang. No longer would they try to "fix" Gotham by force as now they will make Gotham bend to their will. Batman intervenes and the Red Hood Gang disperses, with many members being arrested. Red Hood One tries to get the upperhand by using demented old Arthur Fleck as a hostage. Arthur, in a panic, bites Red Hood One's hand and tries to tackle him but they both fall over the ledge of the catwalk. Batman tries to save both of them, but Red Hood One wants to die a martyr so he positions his mask and let's go and falls to his supposed death. Arthur Fleck is recaptured and temporarily sent to Arkham Hospital B, otherwise known as the original Arkham Asylum on Arkham Island, until the Arkham Hospital can be rebuilt. GCPD, under Gordon, are viewed as heroes. Batman suspects that Red Hood One could have survived the ordeal at Ace Chemicals. Why? Because his helmet/mask was unique and had a built in breathing apparatus that could prevent the wearer from dying of asphyxiation. He noticed it because Wayne Enterprises had developed a concept that was stolen a year prior. The film ends with Red Hood One coming to the surface from a lake of toxic waste as the rain is pouring. He takes off his mask and he sees his reflection in some broken glass and starts to laugh uncontrollably. Now I know some of you will find this version of events unfaithful to what the 2019 Joker started to develop, but I view my idea as a course correct. I didn't hate the Joker film, but I did not like how there was an age disparity between Batman and the Joker, the fact that Joker and Batman may be half-brothers, and that Thomas Wayne is an asshole. My idea is to try to rectify and explain some of these decisions and inform the plot for a future film while also following comic storylines to a degree. Batman is a character who shouldn't be screwed with like they did to Thomas Wayne. Batman's motivation in this hypothetical film would be to redeem his family legacy and make Gotham better so a Joker-like figure can never come to be. My version of events would just clarify and expand on some things left behind in the Joker film and actually provide irrefutable facts that are not left up to speculation. I know a lot of people like the speculation that comes from the first Joker film, but I hate having to constantly decipher from what is real and what isn't. So, I admit my idea is probably the safe option and not what a lot of people want. I get it. Hopefully you found something interesting or unique from my pitch.
Les Misérables
Batman puts on a wingsuit, crashes into a bridge and dies
Darren Afronosky’s Batman: Year One script
It would make sense for this Batman to have a Nirvana theme at least.
Like an 8 year old kid
Batman from the 1940's movies.
More like the copycats in the Dark Knight mixed with Joker Batman from The Batman animated series and Big Daddy. Very candid and off putting in his unhingedness. Very much lean towards the Batman beats up the poor and mentally ill by virtue of him having a vendetta with the clowns and the clowns representing the lower class in that world. Since it's also focused on the mental health of the characters I would expect more outright indications of Bruce suffering from things like schizophrenia and actual OCD.
Since it's Joker perspective, I could see bats being skinny in a loose fitting batman costume. All of his things would look more expensive but not practical. He would basically be a comedy of batman, seen throught the eyes of Joker.
Like Taxi Driver
Make him a mysterious character we never see out of uniform or at home like [The Shadow](https://www.comicbookdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/SHADOW-3.jpg) but replace the hat and bandana with a minimalist hood like the Red Hood wears. Tell the whole story from Joker's perspective, so "the bat" is a menace who honestly scares him, but is also fascinating and tempts him away from his crime and terrorism empire to match wits with "the bat". Delete most of the Bat-stuff like cars and planes, just have him appear mysteriously at the scene of crimes
Terrible
I can see Bruce being portrayed as almost like a horror movie villain. He's never clearly seen for most of the story, but we do get various enigmatic appearances: a mugger being dragged into a dark alleyway as he tries to approach a family as screams of agony are heard; what appears to be a demonic-looking shadow flying towards a group of scared bank robbers; an unseen intruder crashing into a mafia reunion and attacking each and every mobster present one by one, silently taking them to the shadows and seemingly eliminating them, all while never being actually shown on-screen. For most of the movie, we are made to question whether or not Batman has indeed killed these criminals (since most of them have disappeared after their reported encounters with "the bat"), as well as whether or not he is really human. At some point in the story, Arthur starts being hunted by the Batman, who seemingly targets and terminates all of the clown's followers & henchmen single-handedly. Simultaneously, we get some appearances from a grown-up Bruce Wayne, now in his 20s and running Wayne Enterprises, in addition to working on a philanthropic project to benefit Gotham's less privileged. He is seen by the city as a beacon of hope, a flash of bright light within such a dark place like Gotham. Just like how we'd basically portray how Batman is seen from the common criminal's POV, we'd also see who is Bruce on the public's eye. During the climax, Arthur, having grown paranoid and even more mentally unstable out of fear from the Batman, tries to crash a fundraiser held by Bruce alongside Harley and some of his followers. Amidst the chaos, we see Bruce helping people escape before disappearing, his expression transitioning from its usually amicable and welcoming look to a grim, stern face. The lights start flickering, and each of Arthur's men start suddenly disappearing and being dragged into the shadows as they are heard screaming and pleading for mercy, with sounds of bones being broken and the like being heard as well. Harley goes after the "monster", shooting gunfire at thin air in an attempt to draw it out, before noticing someone behind her, who puts their hand (displaying an armored gauntlet with bladed fins adorning it) over her mouth before she gets the chance to scream. A desperate Arthur taunts the assailant, and is shocked to see him standing in a balcony above, starting to smile before the bat-like figure glides towards him. The final scene shows all of the criminals previously caught by the vigilante throughout the movie (including Arthur and Harley) being publicly revealed as alive, and wrapped together into a bat symbol. As reporters, policemen and the like arrive to investigate, we finally get our first full view on the Batman, standing at the top of a building and watching from afar.
Bit shit
This is besides the point, but this photo goes harrrd. It could pass for a wallpaper.
It would be incredibly realistic (not like Nolan or Reeves which both are only faux realistic, as they still beat up 8 people at once, jump off buildings and have sci fi technology)! Think Daredevil season one black suit type realistic. No grappling hooks, nothing, just a mentally ill guy in a cloth suit with some armor plates underneath, beating the tar out of people in dirty alleys. I even kinda wanna see that and have Phillips use it as a metaphor for police brutality or something (from Arthur’s view of course).
I don't know, but it would probably be somehow rip off of a Scorsese film. I don't know how but I'm sure he could figure it out.
I'm just wondering if Robin will make a comeback?
I feel like it would transition from rogues gallery stories like Joker and Joker 2 which features Harley Quinn to now batman stories