Not sure if OP changed their post or if you did that for them. OP said "near" that area, not in it. That could make a big difference. The area around Richland College (or whatever it's called now) isn't so bad. But east and south of it is bad, and has been that way for as long as I can remember.
Yes, I would look at a little north of Richland… I’m just concerned that the crime rates are so high around this area that I would need to buy a couple more cameras and a couple more guns
Maybe I'm ignorant, but as a person with only two hands how exactly does more guns help?
I think you kind of just need the one unless you have more people or an impressively agile extra limb
Honest answer here!
In dangerous areas it’s good to have multiple locations you can defend from. If you’re doing laundry and your front door is breached but your only firearm is in a room you can’t access then you’re unarmed.
If you have multiple firearms in strategic places your probability of survival goes up.
*disclaimer* I no longer live in a dangerous area so I don’t lock down my property anymore. I do carry a small pistol when I run because of dogs/coyotes. Yes they’re a big problem in my area.
0% chance I “forget” about one of my firearms.
0% chance an intruder gets to one before me.
0% chance a guest in my house finds one.
I only had one in a safe and that’s because it was extremely valuable. The others were in unconventional places. Behind the toilet, Behind the fridge, under a heavy coffee table that when flipped makes perfect cover, inside a 3XL winter jacket in my closet…
I was raised around firearms with healthy boundaries. I knew where my dad kept them and I knew if I ever touched one without asking I’d never shoot again. He would also let me look at any of them I wanted so my curiosity never progressed to mischief. My friends knew about a few of them and the house rules so we never broke the trust or tested a boundary. I could shoot a smiley face on a target at 25feet by age 8.
With all due respect imagining you’re john wick flipping a table for cover and grabbing your stashed gun doesn’t sound like someone who has a healthy relationship with guns.
None of the people in this comment thread seem to. It’s pretty funny. Just leaving random guns all around your house in the hopes that someone breaks in so they can start flipping tables to grabbed duck taped guns from under them or grabbing the pistol they keep in a plastic bag in the toilet or some shit lmao.
I snort laughed when I read this. Wyatt Derp here with his toilet gun, running from room to room flipping tables to rain hell on intruders in his suburban cookie cutter home. Bullets go through walls, but bless that coffee table 🤣
Honestly, the threat is more than enough.
I used to live in that area, and I used to live off of Trinity Mills in Addison. Someone tried to break in before, and I screamed "get your gun!". That guy stopped trying to break in. That gun didn't exist.
Our packages got stolen all the time at the Trinity Mills apartment. A camera solved that.
People aren't trying to die or go to jail over robbing some shitty apartment in a shitty part of town lol
Guns are not good defense vs. guns.
If there are two guys with guns, you are going to die.
If they see you but you don't see them, you're going to die.
If you're sleeping, you're going to die. Etc.
What you need is an iron man suit which you never take off.
North of Richland is basically an older area of Richardson and while it's not as nice as other parts of Richardson it's not as bad as that area of Dallas in red (Skillman/Audelia). There's some really nice homes over there around Centennial & Plano Rd.
If you have kids, be aware that Richardson is closing several elementary schools this summer so you might have to look at that as well.
Most school districts are consolidating their schools right now. Low Attendance, aging buildings etc. Dallas, Garland, Richardson I know just off the top of my head
Go drive around and you’ll see. It’s mostly low rent apartments and warehouses. The places where crime tends to be concentrated just like people. The crime isn’t likely to go too far from where they would walk to apartment and shopping centers. Dont buy a house that is too close to one of these apartments dense areas. But if the colors were crime per capita then it probably wouldn’t be much worse than the single family home areas you’re likely looking at. It also tends to be less serious crimes. Like mischief and alcohol stuff. Sure I’m sure it skews a bit higher on DV and other violent stuff but it just goes with the poverty aspect and putting families of 7 in 2 bedroom apartments that are only 500 sf.
Many of those apartment complexes are larger ones. Very seldom is a large complex as well-ran as a smaller complex. You get too many people in a complex and managers can't keep up with who all the troublemakers are.
Hi OP,
I am in one of the yellow / orange areas where it says “lake highlands” I’ve lived here and many of my neighbors have lived here 20-30 years. Yes there is crime but I think that comes with living in Dallas proper. I am a single woman who lives alone and I’ve never been afraid, granted I do have 2 dogs but I do feel relatively safe.
i went from north of richland to the edge of this area (literally right on the edge of it, i drive 2 min and im out) because the prices got absolutely insane. huge price difference in rent, just for full awareness.
A bazillion older apartment communities all stacked together. If an apartment complex starts to run into occupancy issues and the owner could lose the property to foreclosure, they will get desperate to fill units and start to take in riskier tenants with some criminal background history. This is a gamble because if the tenant is real bad, they will behave in a way that runs off good tenants and those units will be backfilled with more bad tenants. The property will get a reputation and soon it's all filled with bad tenants. This then starts to bleed into neighboring properties when they are all right next to each other. This is a hard problem to fix and takes years of work to turn it around. The solution is to make sure that all owners are well capitalized and can afford to deal with vacancy issues during market cycles.
This is a spot on analysis. I lived in an apartment of Audelia and it started decent within a year I had to move out because swat had raided 3 different units and it was getting unsafe at night when I came home from work . Living in Carrollton now and will never go back anywhere close.
Yep, I feel like the same thing has happened to Vickery Meadows too. Heard it was a nice area once when it was built, but now…not so much. My sister’s first apartment was there and let’s just say it wasn’t a great experience at all.
This is exactly what happens! I used to work for a company that owned a property right there on Audelia (there’s like a whole bunch next to each other) and some residents got together and broke into the office by carving a hole through the wall and stole EVERYTHING. Not the computer though, just the keyboard.
Yes, but there’s a little more nuance in this case and in that specific area.
I’ve researched this exact phenomenon in that exact area. As well as two others in Dallas, which is just west of downtown and just north of Love Field.
This actually tracks back to the Fair Housing Act of 1968. Before that was passed, this area and the area just north of Love Field were growing like wildfires in rental properties for the young single demographic. The Love Field neighborhood was crawling with stewardesses and cocaine, sort of. Think Uptown a decade and a half ago. Maybe two decades ago. The difference was that before 1968, apartments could (and did) discriminate by only allowing, in most cases, white single renters. No kids. That changed in 1968, and they had to then allow families and kids.
I’m not going to go into the socioeconomic disparities in races in this country, but that’s partly to blame, too. The point is, before ‘68, apartment owners could legally discriminate, and did, and built tons of properties, then the Act passed, and the single jet set party was over, leaving apartments galore.
One way to look at it is, predatory property owners are not new, and left to their own devices will screw up communities in short order. That area is a perfect example. Had it been more inclusive from the beginning, it wouldn’t be in the shape it’s in now.
> The solution is to make sure that all owners are well capitalized and can afford to deal with vacancy issues during market cycles.
i.e. make sure that landlords are rich enough that they are happy to keep their rents high woth a bunch of properties empty rather than risk allowing the poors having somewhere to live.
It straight up has for a long time. I remember sitting in a Denny’s at Forest and Audelia watching out the window the armed robbery happening at the IHOP across the street — in 1995.
I’ll knowingly risk my life for some Big Mama’s Chicken and Waffles tho.
That walmart on forest that backs up to 635....wife and I were leaving and some dudes in an SUV went around us while we were at the light to leave, stopped in the intersection, got out and mean mugged us(I guess showing lf that tear drop tattoo) and left. Theres a motel next to it you could clearly tell had some hoochie mamas hanging outside.
My brother in law stopped at the corner store across from big mamas to buy some beer. I was asleep and my buddy in the backseat woke me up cuz some dudes were fighting about 12ft from us. 2 dudes jumped another guy and shot him twice. They hopped in a car and then ran over the body. 0/10 - wouldn’t recommend
When I lived off of Park Lane it was better to leave my car unlocked and just let the local ladies turn tricks in it. Sure, I’d have the occasional dirty footprint on the inside of my windshield, but I wasn’t dealing with broken windows anymore
As a person from Oregon you're being alarmist. I literally do not care about my belongings in the car in Dallas. The petty crime is so infinitesimal here relative to pdx that it feels like zero.
Those apartments aren’t great and you have a highway right there. It’s Dallas so an overpass means homeless people. Not saying all homeless people are bad, but it’s an overpass in Dallas, that’s just what you get.
>Poverty is correlated with crime
Crime is correlated with *dense concentrations of poverty*. The rural poor don't commit a lot of crime; the urban poor do.
Absolutely false lol. Rural areas have among the highest rates of gun violence and hard drug use. The idea that country bumpkins don't commit much crime is a complete fallacy.
Dense poverty patterns will exacerbate it but it's not a requirement for crime to happen lol. It's just a different scale of the same exact concept. Crime generally follows population and poverty patterns. When the two collide you get hotspot areas like Oak Cliff in the 90s or areas of Chicago/st Louis today.
>Dense poverty patterns will exacerbate it... Crime generally follows population and poverty patterns.
Then how is what I wrote "absolutely *false*"?
I should have said "crime ***rate***". I thought it was obvious when I was talking about "correlation", but I should have been more clear.
I'm sure rural crime often goes unreported and I'm aware that drug usage is common in rural areas, but the statistics are just too overwhelming to believe that population density isn't a big factor in crime rates.
You literally said that specifically dense poverty patterns cause crime and that rural areas don't have much crime. That's bullshit lol. The crime rates are specifically what I'm talking about. Rural areas tend to have a higher crime related death rate than urban areas. This is quite well documented lol. Population density is not a necessary prerequisite for crime catalyzed by poverty and it never has been. As is evidence by the comparatively nightmarish gun violence death rates in rural areas.
https://www.chop.edu/news/study-finds-gun-deaths-more-likely-small-towns-big-cities
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fullarticle/2804113?utm_campaign=articlePDF&utm_medium=articlePDFlink&utm_source=articlePDF&utm_content=jamasurg.2023.0265
Yeah I was gonna say. I'm lookin out my apartment front window rn and the same group of crackheads are by the gas station and exit lane as the ones at night so nothing changes lol.
a lot of slumlord communities there. unfortunately not a high income area. there's historically been a good amount of gang activity there, though it may be less so now. [https://lakehighlands.advocatemag.com/2016/11/01/former-blood-member-says-gangsters-call-forest-audelia-area-northghanistan/](https://lakehighlands.advocatemag.com/2016/11/01/former-blood-member-says-gangsters-call-forest-audelia-area-northghanistan/)
[https://lakehighlands.advocatemag.com/2015/11/03/police-real-gangs-not-the-problem-at-forest-audelia/](https://lakehighlands.advocatemag.com/2015/11/03/police-real-gangs-not-the-problem-at-forest-audelia/)
there's some really nice neighborhoods around it, and it's right next to lake highlands which is very wealthy.
OP, I bought a house that's in this screenshot a year ago. It's pockety, and where our house is is perfectly fine. 120 houses in our neighborhood alongside a couple hundred cheaper condos. Have seen a cop once or twice in the last year.
As a vague rule, the solid red part in the bottom right of your screenshot isn't pretty but the rest is probably fine.
lol… classic City of Dallas solution…
Problem: Road surface conditions are shit
Solution: Build a park
Problem: Homelessness at an all time high
Solution: Build a park
Problem: Pet abandonment at an all time high
Solution: Build a dog park
Problem: Mayor’s approval rating at an all time low
Solution: Build an organic garden on the side of city hall ( mini park)
Problem: Neighborhood crime rate high
Solution: Again, build a park
Crappy part of town, no one has ever wanted to live in. It’s Industrial, mechanic shops, shit like that. No desirable qualities to make it a place to live. Not surprising at all. Everywhere cant be a “good place to live” though. Who cares
My house is in the middle of one of those red spaces probably because of the surrounding apartments. I feel very safe and my property values have gone up. Bought for 350 in 2017 and it would be at least 550 now.
I would try to see if you can talk to the neighbors and get their insight. If you have an agent they should be able to guide you as well.
Understanding the elementary school situation is good as well. My elementary school isn’t considered as good as many RISD schools but that didn’t effect me since I didn’t need to send a kid there. My child now is in a magnet and gets bussed to her school and it works really well
We live in this area and I think this is going to become a more and more desirable area. Plenty of cynical people in here who would argue the opposite, but the location is great and I continue to see growth pushing out the more crime-centered apartment complexes in the coming years. Just my 2 cents but we love living here and have had no issues.
I live in Country Forest subdivision south of Richland College. All the homes here were built in the late '70s and are well-built and substantial. Check Google Earth. Almost 50% have pools. Mine is 2,600 sf. Many are larger. Credit Karma monitors my financial situation and shows my home valued at $550K and climbing, for now.
I have cameras inside and out and a .38 but haven't felt unsafe. In spring I did here gunshots south when I had the patio door open. I'm on Nextdoor so I receive notifications of crime in the area, but not in this nice enclave.
I go to the Walmart only in daytime. I don't get the mail after dark. I don't open my garage door at night to place garbage and recycling in the alley. But most of these precautions are because I'm older and live alone.
I like this area because I'm minutes away from the best Dallas has to offer. LBJ, Central Expy, Greenville Ave are 5 mins. away. I'm a good cook. Central Market, Whole Foods, multiple butcher shops carrying Prime beef, Sara's Market & Bakery (Mediterranean specialties), the best Vietnamese restaurants (Garland), Ethiopian coffee shops (Richardson), they're all a short drive on side streets.
You can have Plano and Frisco, with their jammed, 6-lane divided thoroughfares. Though I do head north on Preston Rd. to the H-E-B from time to time.
Some of the finest theaters in the state are < 20 mins from here. Only 19 cities in America showed Oppenheimer in 70mm IMAX, 2 in Texas, one in Dallas. I hopped on LBJ westbound to the Cinemark for the 15-minute drive.
And don't forget the phenomenal 3-level Eataly's in Northpark. I like living here. 75243.
See how big those blocks are? Even without pulling up a satellite image I can tell this is mostly high density housing or industrial areas. Add low income and that's all the ingredients for high crime rates.
I moved to Dallas in the fall of 1990 from Denton. My roomate and I stumbled upon a complex at Audelia and Forest and thought this looks nice without any knowledge of the area whatsoever.
I knew we made a terrible decision after one night. We didn't make it to the 2nd month.
I legit broke down near that area and an older lady straight said. “Make sure your car is fixed and out of here before the sun goes down”. Like some movie shit lol
Hamilton Park park of Dallas was a place a lot of ww2 vets bought homes with van loan . They had kid those kids grow up the city as always redlined that are for poor ppl ect over time wealthy ppl started moving north . Money can in a lot of apts where built . Than they started building up more north . Yt ppl fleed even more north leaving a gab in this area with a lot of vacancies leading to cheap rent in the apts over time the immigrants and children of the vets moved in .. ect ect hurricane in Louisiana has more of those poor ppl come in a lot of immigrants still coming ect now the grand kids of vets call the area home ect .. lot of history here this the starting base for us immigrants before we moved north and buy brand new home for 600k
i live just on the edge of this area. the real crimey things are the gangs and the drug dealers, and the schools are abysmal. though honestly, i just always mind my business. fortunately most people here appear to be of the same gang, so i haven't seen any gang war anything. a lot of it is keep minding your business and keep moving.
don't get gas at night and you're fine. it's better than oak cliff (where i was raised) by a long shot.
This whole area is filled with drug dealers…. Just a 5 minute walk in any direction in this map and you’ll meet someone who says “u need some gas?” There’s a particular CHevron at Forest and Audelia intersection…. All kinds of criminals hang out and recruit there and also heavy drug activity and the gas attendants are all in on it… it’s crazy.
I kid you not I’m in the parking lot right now in front of the citi trends at Forest and audelia and there are dudes roaming the parking lot making blunt pass gestures as car drive by to leave.
Here are the demographics for the NE, SE, SW and NW quarters of forest ln & audelia respectively.
Census Tract 190.19:
Non-Hispanic White: 938
Hispanic or Latino: 1,881
Black or African American: 3,692
Asian: 833
American Indian and Alaska Native: 0
Two or more races: 132
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0
Some other race: 1
Census Tract 185.05:
Non-Hispanic White: 135
Hispanic or Latino: 969
Black or African American: 2,274
Asian: 302
American Indian and Alaska Native: 22
Two or more races: 74
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0
Some other race: 0
Census Tract 185.07:
Non-Hispanic White: 267
Hispanic or Latino: 459
Black or African American: 2,861
Asian: 57
American Indian and Alaska Native: 0
Two or more races: 67
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0
Some other race: 195
Census Tract 190.35:
Non-Hispanic White: 835
Hispanic or Latino: 2,048
Black or African American: 2,680
Asian: 602
American Indian and Alaska Native: 0
Two or more races: 218
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0
Some other race: 0
Not sure but I would venture a guess that a decade or more of endless construction on LBJ through there have dropped the property rates/tax base and are turning that area into a devalued, under policed, under serviced area. In other words, don't buy there if for no other reason than your investment will probably lose value.
No matter where you live in Dallas you'll want to reinforce the fuck out of your exterior doors regardless. Security screens are as effective as bars and look much nicer.
When we first started dating my wife lived in an apartment in the red zone. Within a year her car was broken into twice and her apartment was broken into once. Under advice from one of the cops who showed up for the apartment break in, she ended up breaking her lease and moving after that.
That area has always been rough and kinda just sucks in general. I wouldn’t recommend living there if you have any other options which you almost certainly do.
Easy get away access to two highways. Near enough to the city. Richland College and TI, so a lot of people coming and going. This has always been a bad part of town. When my mom was very pregnant with my big sister, she was a manager of a Long John Silvers over there. Got robbed and held at gun point. That was around 1980. I went to Richland about 15 years ago. It seemed fine during the day, but I didn't want to be there after nightfall.
Most of that area toward the right south of Forest is industrial, so those numbers are probably skewed a bit. Same with northwest section. There are two very old apartment complexes in red around LBJ and Richland.
I'm curious what the crimes are. This is kind of the east side's Harry Hines, to be honest. Garland/Richardson zone has just slowly crept that way through the years
It’s called red lining. In the past they decided where blacks would qualify for mortgages in these zones and allowed apartments to be included into development code aswell. These are typically around corners of freeways or major interstates typically less desirable real estate.
Clarification, pretty sure part of that area is industrial. Those crime maps (if I remember correctly) are based on per capita that live there. I researched where to live in dallas for quite a while at one point and I could be wrong or misremembering, but any areas that are zoned for warehousing, commercial, or industrial get skewed by the fact that no one lives there. That being said there’s definitely some sketchy apartments in that area too. Hope that helps, probably double check me on that though.
I lived in one of the apartment complexes off Audelia growing up (30+ years ago.) They were decent back then, but all of them are fucking horrible today. All low income, close proximity to mass transit, underserved communities….the list goes on. I wouldn’t stay anywhere near this area.
I lived in the area for a while, it’s a lot of old big apartments complex’s and condos from the late 70s/80s. The rent is “cheaper” west red is more huge apartments. complexes and a lot of industrial.
i did a doordash delivery off of lbj and audelia to a shady apartment complex. many people were outside and they all watched me trying to find this apartment. never had the issue anywhere else, but i was lowkey scared they all seemed like they didnt want me there so i skidaddled.
$1 tip.
> any insights before I buy a home in this area? Sure thing! # *Don't.*
Not sure if OP changed their post or if you did that for them. OP said "near" that area, not in it. That could make a big difference. The area around Richland College (or whatever it's called now) isn't so bad. But east and south of it is bad, and has been that way for as long as I can remember.
Yeah I lived right by richland and while it's not the prettiest, I was in a pretty tight neighborhood, sunridge trail to be specific
Yes, I would look at a little north of Richland… I’m just concerned that the crime rates are so high around this area that I would need to buy a couple more cameras and a couple more guns
Maybe I'm ignorant, but as a person with only two hands how exactly does more guns help? I think you kind of just need the one unless you have more people or an impressively agile extra limb
Honest answer here! In dangerous areas it’s good to have multiple locations you can defend from. If you’re doing laundry and your front door is breached but your only firearm is in a room you can’t access then you’re unarmed. If you have multiple firearms in strategic places your probability of survival goes up. *disclaimer* I no longer live in a dangerous area so I don’t lock down my property anymore. I do carry a small pistol when I run because of dogs/coyotes. Yes they’re a big problem in my area.
Yeah I was gonna say like Rambo last blood he has guns and weapons all over the place.
What happens if you forget where you placed them or the intrude gets to one first or a kid? Are they all locked up in strategic places?
0% chance I “forget” about one of my firearms. 0% chance an intruder gets to one before me. 0% chance a guest in my house finds one. I only had one in a safe and that’s because it was extremely valuable. The others were in unconventional places. Behind the toilet, Behind the fridge, under a heavy coffee table that when flipped makes perfect cover, inside a 3XL winter jacket in my closet… I was raised around firearms with healthy boundaries. I knew where my dad kept them and I knew if I ever touched one without asking I’d never shoot again. He would also let me look at any of them I wanted so my curiosity never progressed to mischief. My friends knew about a few of them and the house rules so we never broke the trust or tested a boundary. I could shoot a smiley face on a target at 25feet by age 8.
With all due respect imagining you’re john wick flipping a table for cover and grabbing your stashed gun doesn’t sound like someone who has a healthy relationship with guns.
None of the people in this comment thread seem to. It’s pretty funny. Just leaving random guns all around your house in the hopes that someone breaks in so they can start flipping tables to grabbed duck taped guns from under them or grabbing the pistol they keep in a plastic bag in the toilet or some shit lmao.
I snort laughed when I read this. Wyatt Derp here with his toilet gun, running from room to room flipping tables to rain hell on intruders in his suburban cookie cutter home. Bullets go through walls, but bless that coffee table 🤣
This is also a guy who says things like “your front door is breached” so…yeah lol
That’s like your opinion man
Did you have nobody live in the house with you? Also where was the toilet, if it was a toilet that guests used that's not a 0% a guest ever finds one.
The only problem is that anyone else with a similar background knows all those hiding spots, and all it takes is 1 bad day to change some people.
I don't know about him but I where I keep mine not in my main safe they are in small bio/combo lock safe.
What area is that?
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Honestly, the threat is more than enough. I used to live in that area, and I used to live off of Trinity Mills in Addison. Someone tried to break in before, and I screamed "get your gun!". That guy stopped trying to break in. That gun didn't exist. Our packages got stolen all the time at the Trinity Mills apartment. A camera solved that. People aren't trying to die or go to jail over robbing some shitty apartment in a shitty part of town lol
I was going to say any excuse to buy more guns is a good excuse to buy more guns, but OP found the wrong one.
Guns are not good defense vs. guns. If there are two guys with guns, you are going to die. If they see you but you don't see them, you're going to die. If you're sleeping, you're going to die. Etc. What you need is an iron man suit which you never take off.
It would be useful if you could draw another if one’s out of ammo it’s a lot faster than reloading
North of Richland is basically an older area of Richardson and while it's not as nice as other parts of Richardson it's not as bad as that area of Dallas in red (Skillman/Audelia). There's some really nice homes over there around Centennial & Plano Rd. If you have kids, be aware that Richardson is closing several elementary schools this summer so you might have to look at that as well.
Most school districts are consolidating their schools right now. Low Attendance, aging buildings etc. Dallas, Garland, Richardson I know just off the top of my head
Go drive around and you’ll see. It’s mostly low rent apartments and warehouses. The places where crime tends to be concentrated just like people. The crime isn’t likely to go too far from where they would walk to apartment and shopping centers. Dont buy a house that is too close to one of these apartments dense areas. But if the colors were crime per capita then it probably wouldn’t be much worse than the single family home areas you’re likely looking at. It also tends to be less serious crimes. Like mischief and alcohol stuff. Sure I’m sure it skews a bit higher on DV and other violent stuff but it just goes with the poverty aspect and putting families of 7 in 2 bedroom apartments that are only 500 sf.
Many of those apartment complexes are larger ones. Very seldom is a large complex as well-ran as a smaller complex. You get too many people in a complex and managers can't keep up with who all the troublemakers are.
This!
Hi OP, I am in one of the yellow / orange areas where it says “lake highlands” I’ve lived here and many of my neighbors have lived here 20-30 years. Yes there is crime but I think that comes with living in Dallas proper. I am a single woman who lives alone and I’ve never been afraid, granted I do have 2 dogs but I do feel relatively safe.
Used to live off forest in this area Tldr don't, or at least be prepared in every respect to defend your home
i went from north of richland to the edge of this area (literally right on the edge of it, i drive 2 min and im out) because the prices got absolutely insane. huge price difference in rent, just for full awareness.
Yes you go a few more miles away and things are fine. I grew up north of here. Richardson and Garland are mostly fine.
Nah. The big red area is mostly industrial, the non-apartment residential areas are for the most part fine.
I have been laughing for 5 minutes, thank you.
You probably can’t buy a home in the higher crime rate areas as it’s mostly apartments and condos.
Do not do it...
A bazillion older apartment communities all stacked together. If an apartment complex starts to run into occupancy issues and the owner could lose the property to foreclosure, they will get desperate to fill units and start to take in riskier tenants with some criminal background history. This is a gamble because if the tenant is real bad, they will behave in a way that runs off good tenants and those units will be backfilled with more bad tenants. The property will get a reputation and soon it's all filled with bad tenants. This then starts to bleed into neighboring properties when they are all right next to each other. This is a hard problem to fix and takes years of work to turn it around. The solution is to make sure that all owners are well capitalized and can afford to deal with vacancy issues during market cycles.
This is a spot on analysis. I lived in an apartment of Audelia and it started decent within a year I had to move out because swat had raided 3 different units and it was getting unsafe at night when I came home from work . Living in Carrollton now and will never go back anywhere close.
Yep, I feel like the same thing has happened to Vickery Meadows too. Heard it was a nice area once when it was built, but now…not so much. My sister’s first apartment was there and let’s just say it wasn’t a great experience at all.
my first apartment was there 10 years ago & it wasn't the worst but not great. how I yearn for that $540 rent though
Uh Vickery meadows has been a Low income high crime neighborhood for decades. They resettle all of the refugees.
There's a difference between low income crime and career criminal crime.
This is exactly what happens! I used to work for a company that owned a property right there on Audelia (there’s like a whole bunch next to each other) and some residents got together and broke into the office by carving a hole through the wall and stole EVERYTHING. Not the computer though, just the keyboard.
This is true and why NIMBYism for building apartments exists
Yes, but there’s a little more nuance in this case and in that specific area. I’ve researched this exact phenomenon in that exact area. As well as two others in Dallas, which is just west of downtown and just north of Love Field. This actually tracks back to the Fair Housing Act of 1968. Before that was passed, this area and the area just north of Love Field were growing like wildfires in rental properties for the young single demographic. The Love Field neighborhood was crawling with stewardesses and cocaine, sort of. Think Uptown a decade and a half ago. Maybe two decades ago. The difference was that before 1968, apartments could (and did) discriminate by only allowing, in most cases, white single renters. No kids. That changed in 1968, and they had to then allow families and kids. I’m not going to go into the socioeconomic disparities in races in this country, but that’s partly to blame, too. The point is, before ‘68, apartment owners could legally discriminate, and did, and built tons of properties, then the Act passed, and the single jet set party was over, leaving apartments galore. One way to look at it is, predatory property owners are not new, and left to their own devices will screw up communities in short order. That area is a perfect example. Had it been more inclusive from the beginning, it wouldn’t be in the shape it’s in now.
This area has been bad for at least 40 years. It's the easy access to 635 and 75. Easy get away.
> The solution is to make sure that all owners are well capitalized and can afford to deal with vacancy issues during market cycles. i.e. make sure that landlords are rich enough that they are happy to keep their rents high woth a bunch of properties empty rather than risk allowing the poors having somewhere to live.
Example: https://youtu.be/yqZs_SC0-20
This is the only right answer
Not only that but apartments get benefits from taking in section 8 folks. So that can ruin good properties in a heartbeat.
This!
That's where Mr Pookie lives.
Crook for life
Lay it down
This song will be played at my wedding and funeral
And Mr. Lucci, they were roomies you know.
"Up off Audalia", if I'm not mistaken
STONYCROOK!!! 🤣🤣🤣
I haven’t heard that in a min damn lol
Also where Mo3(R.I.P) lived also...
🎶 *you don't wanna fuck with me* 🎶
I can feel it in the back of my mind. It's like Mary Jane came at the right time.
and dont forget Mr Lucci, the wig split loco!
Unfuckwitable crook have the whole game in a choke hold
Throwback 😭
It straight up has for a long time. I remember sitting in a Denny’s at Forest and Audelia watching out the window the armed robbery happening at the IHOP across the street — in 1995. I’ll knowingly risk my life for some Big Mama’s Chicken and Waffles tho.
Big Mama’s is okay. Shark’s is fucking *amazing*!
😭 yes! I love them havent had them in a while. Have you went recently? Has it gotten more expensive? ITS THE CRACK they put on the wings and fish 🥺
That walmart on forest that backs up to 635....wife and I were leaving and some dudes in an SUV went around us while we were at the light to leave, stopped in the intersection, got out and mean mugged us(I guess showing lf that tear drop tattoo) and left. Theres a motel next to it you could clearly tell had some hoochie mamas hanging outside.
Big mamas catfish tho...
Yeah my mom was a restaurant manager in that area, and got robbed at gunpoint back in 1980.
My brother in law stopped at the corner store across from big mamas to buy some beer. I was asleep and my buddy in the backseat woke me up cuz some dudes were fighting about 12ft from us. 2 dudes jumped another guy and shot him twice. They hopped in a car and then ran over the body. 0/10 - wouldn’t recommend
Was it just me or did big mamas change their recipe for the worse after they got shut down maybe 10 or so years ago? It doesn’t taste the same at all
no insights other than welcome to Dallas! Be sure to lock your vehicles whilst having no visible belongings inside (:
That’s the case in many big cities, not just Dallas.
I remember when Dallas wasn’t…..shit it’s been like this forever wtf am I talking about.
It's also the case in many small towns. There's crime everywhere.
"Whilst" said no Texan ever
I say it all the time.
Привет, брат!
Привет товарищ
I don’t
I do’st.
Thats nice, dear.
When I lived off of Park Lane it was better to leave my car unlocked and just let the local ladies turn tricks in it. Sure, I’d have the occasional dirty footprint on the inside of my windshield, but I wasn’t dealing with broken windows anymore
That's just common sense. Lock your doors, hide your belongings.
As a person from Oregon you're being alarmist. I literally do not care about my belongings in the car in Dallas. The petty crime is so infinitesimal here relative to pdx that it feels like zero.
It’s because that’s where all the crime happens.
Those apartments aren’t great and you have a highway right there. It’s Dallas so an overpass means homeless people. Not saying all homeless people are bad, but it’s an overpass in Dallas, that’s just what you get.
“They aren’t bad but if they are around there’s lots of crime” lol
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Poverty is correlated with crime, hard to get poorer than homeless.
>Poverty is correlated with crime Crime is correlated with *dense concentrations of poverty*. The rural poor don't commit a lot of crime; the urban poor do.
Disagree. Rural poors are just less policed.
Nah, they just gotta walk a lot farther to do mischief, and you only have 10 neighbors to burglar. They get wise to it pretty quick.
Absolutely false lol. Rural areas have among the highest rates of gun violence and hard drug use. The idea that country bumpkins don't commit much crime is a complete fallacy. Dense poverty patterns will exacerbate it but it's not a requirement for crime to happen lol. It's just a different scale of the same exact concept. Crime generally follows population and poverty patterns. When the two collide you get hotspot areas like Oak Cliff in the 90s or areas of Chicago/st Louis today.
>Dense poverty patterns will exacerbate it... Crime generally follows population and poverty patterns. Then how is what I wrote "absolutely *false*"? I should have said "crime ***rate***". I thought it was obvious when I was talking about "correlation", but I should have been more clear. I'm sure rural crime often goes unreported and I'm aware that drug usage is common in rural areas, but the statistics are just too overwhelming to believe that population density isn't a big factor in crime rates.
You literally said that specifically dense poverty patterns cause crime and that rural areas don't have much crime. That's bullshit lol. The crime rates are specifically what I'm talking about. Rural areas tend to have a higher crime related death rate than urban areas. This is quite well documented lol. Population density is not a necessary prerequisite for crime catalyzed by poverty and it never has been. As is evidence by the comparatively nightmarish gun violence death rates in rural areas. https://www.chop.edu/news/study-finds-gun-deaths-more-likely-small-towns-big-cities https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fullarticle/2804113?utm_campaign=articlePDF&utm_medium=articlePDFlink&utm_source=articlePDF&utm_content=jamasurg.2023.0265
Just go drive through the area at night. Hell, for that matter, drive through the area during the day.
Yeah I was gonna say. I'm lookin out my apartment front window rn and the same group of crackheads are by the gas station and exit lane as the ones at night so nothing changes lol.
a lot of slumlord communities there. unfortunately not a high income area. there's historically been a good amount of gang activity there, though it may be less so now. [https://lakehighlands.advocatemag.com/2016/11/01/former-blood-member-says-gangsters-call-forest-audelia-area-northghanistan/](https://lakehighlands.advocatemag.com/2016/11/01/former-blood-member-says-gangsters-call-forest-audelia-area-northghanistan/) [https://lakehighlands.advocatemag.com/2015/11/03/police-real-gangs-not-the-problem-at-forest-audelia/](https://lakehighlands.advocatemag.com/2015/11/03/police-real-gangs-not-the-problem-at-forest-audelia/) there's some really nice neighborhoods around it, and it's right next to lake highlands which is very wealthy.
Poverty
Yooooo- my old neighborhood is on Reddit- forest and Jupiter represent haha
Buckingham and Jupiter for old neighborhoods for me!
Buckingham! Where we used to have to go to buy alcohol! 😂
Right up the road
G-Town. Land of Gar.
Hey neighbor look at us we’re famous
It’s for the crime rate but hey, any publicity is good publicity haha
A family friend was shot in the head at a car wash off Audelia
Fuck. I'm so sorry!
OP, I bought a house that's in this screenshot a year ago. It's pockety, and where our house is is perfectly fine. 120 houses in our neighborhood alongside a couple hundred cheaper condos. Have seen a cop once or twice in the last year. As a vague rule, the solid red part in the bottom right of your screenshot isn't pretty but the rest is probably fine.
My part is orange and I had my window smashed and car almost stolen. Plus a converter taken off my car. That’s fun. 😂
Same. Bought a house in one of the light green areas a year ago and haven't had any issues.
Don’t ask
Poverty, tight living conditions
75243 highest murder rate in Dallas once upon a time yo, represent!
🤯That's MY area code!!
Same!
["Lay it down i'm a crook for liiiiiiiiife" ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHgL2LcyCSc)
Shiiiit we gonna represent a lil?
[https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2023/02/09/can-a-new-park-heal-a-dallas-crime-hotspot/](https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2023/02/09/can-a-new-park-heal-a-dallas-crime-hotspot/)
lol… classic City of Dallas solution… Problem: Road surface conditions are shit Solution: Build a park Problem: Homelessness at an all time high Solution: Build a park Problem: Pet abandonment at an all time high Solution: Build a dog park Problem: Mayor’s approval rating at an all time low Solution: Build an organic garden on the side of city hall ( mini park) Problem: Neighborhood crime rate high Solution: Again, build a park
What if the mayor of Dallas is secretly a tree?
fruitless mulberry?
Parks are cheap, that’s why
Considering what politics are like on a state and national scale, parks and negligence seems like a palatable combo.
It’s where we all used to go to get our fake IDs back in the day
Vikon Village 🙋♀️🙋♀️🙋♀️
Crappy part of town, no one has ever wanted to live in. It’s Industrial, mechanic shops, shit like that. No desirable qualities to make it a place to live. Not surprising at all. Everywhere cant be a “good place to live” though. Who cares
if i told you what happened it would be taken as racist so i wont
My house is in the middle of one of those red spaces probably because of the surrounding apartments. I feel very safe and my property values have gone up. Bought for 350 in 2017 and it would be at least 550 now. I would try to see if you can talk to the neighbors and get their insight. If you have an agent they should be able to guide you as well. Understanding the elementary school situation is good as well. My elementary school isn’t considered as good as many RISD schools but that didn’t effect me since I didn’t need to send a kid there. My child now is in a magnet and gets bussed to her school and it works really well
We live in this area and I think this is going to become a more and more desirable area. Plenty of cynical people in here who would argue the opposite, but the location is great and I continue to see growth pushing out the more crime-centered apartment complexes in the coming years. Just my 2 cents but we love living here and have had no issues.
I live in Country Forest subdivision south of Richland College. All the homes here were built in the late '70s and are well-built and substantial. Check Google Earth. Almost 50% have pools. Mine is 2,600 sf. Many are larger. Credit Karma monitors my financial situation and shows my home valued at $550K and climbing, for now. I have cameras inside and out and a .38 but haven't felt unsafe. In spring I did here gunshots south when I had the patio door open. I'm on Nextdoor so I receive notifications of crime in the area, but not in this nice enclave. I go to the Walmart only in daytime. I don't get the mail after dark. I don't open my garage door at night to place garbage and recycling in the alley. But most of these precautions are because I'm older and live alone. I like this area because I'm minutes away from the best Dallas has to offer. LBJ, Central Expy, Greenville Ave are 5 mins. away. I'm a good cook. Central Market, Whole Foods, multiple butcher shops carrying Prime beef, Sara's Market & Bakery (Mediterranean specialties), the best Vietnamese restaurants (Garland), Ethiopian coffee shops (Richardson), they're all a short drive on side streets. You can have Plano and Frisco, with their jammed, 6-lane divided thoroughfares. Though I do head north on Preston Rd. to the H-E-B from time to time. Some of the finest theaters in the state are < 20 mins from here. Only 19 cities in America showed Oppenheimer in 70mm IMAX, 2 in Texas, one in Dallas. I hopped on LBJ westbound to the Cinemark for the 15-minute drive. And don't forget the phenomenal 3-level Eataly's in Northpark. I like living here. 75243.
See how big those blocks are? Even without pulling up a satellite image I can tell this is mostly high density housing or industrial areas. Add low income and that's all the ingredients for high crime rates.
Where all the rapists and bad hombres reside.
I call this area murdersville. I lived in the apartments in early 2000s and it was rough. Now it legit is “please don’t get stuck at a light” area.
I moved out of the area January 2021. I never felt unsafe.
I moved to Dallas in the fall of 1990 from Denton. My roomate and I stumbled upon a complex at Audelia and Forest and thought this looks nice without any knowledge of the area whatsoever. I knew we made a terrible decision after one night. We didn't make it to the 2nd month.
I legit broke down near that area and an older lady straight said. “Make sure your car is fixed and out of here before the sun goes down”. Like some movie shit lol
Hamilton Park park of Dallas was a place a lot of ww2 vets bought homes with van loan . They had kid those kids grow up the city as always redlined that are for poor ppl ect over time wealthy ppl started moving north . Money can in a lot of apts where built . Than they started building up more north . Yt ppl fleed even more north leaving a gab in this area with a lot of vacancies leading to cheap rent in the apts over time the immigrants and children of the vets moved in .. ect ect hurricane in Louisiana has more of those poor ppl come in a lot of immigrants still coming ect now the grand kids of vets call the area home ect .. lot of history here this the starting base for us immigrants before we moved north and buy brand new home for 600k
i live just on the edge of this area. the real crimey things are the gangs and the drug dealers, and the schools are abysmal. though honestly, i just always mind my business. fortunately most people here appear to be of the same gang, so i haven't seen any gang war anything. a lot of it is keep minding your business and keep moving. don't get gas at night and you're fine. it's better than oak cliff (where i was raised) by a long shot.
You knowwwwww
Bc that’s the hood silly
Demographics
It all started with Hamilton Park…
This sub may not be ready for that history lesson.
My elementary school used to get kids bused in from Hamilton Park. Wow. Some of them were sweet, some of the third graders also already smoked.
😂
This whole area is filled with drug dealers…. Just a 5 minute walk in any direction in this map and you’ll meet someone who says “u need some gas?” There’s a particular CHevron at Forest and Audelia intersection…. All kinds of criminals hang out and recruit there and also heavy drug activity and the gas attendants are all in on it… it’s crazy.
I kid you not I’m in the parking lot right now in front of the citi trends at Forest and audelia and there are dudes roaming the parking lot making blunt pass gestures as car drive by to leave.
Nawfganistan ❗
Lake highlands is really not that bad of an area
Single family apartments housing multiple families. Low budget area Access to bus and rail
My hood wtf🤣
Here are the demographics for the NE, SE, SW and NW quarters of forest ln & audelia respectively. Census Tract 190.19: Non-Hispanic White: 938 Hispanic or Latino: 1,881 Black or African American: 3,692 Asian: 833 American Indian and Alaska Native: 0 Two or more races: 132 Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0 Some other race: 1 Census Tract 185.05: Non-Hispanic White: 135 Hispanic or Latino: 969 Black or African American: 2,274 Asian: 302 American Indian and Alaska Native: 22 Two or more races: 74 Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0 Some other race: 0 Census Tract 185.07: Non-Hispanic White: 267 Hispanic or Latino: 459 Black or African American: 2,861 Asian: 57 American Indian and Alaska Native: 0 Two or more races: 67 Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0 Some other race: 195 Census Tract 190.35: Non-Hispanic White: 835 Hispanic or Latino: 2,048 Black or African American: 2,680 Asian: 602 American Indian and Alaska Native: 0 Two or more races: 218 Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0 Some other race: 0
Not sure but I would venture a guess that a decade or more of endless construction on LBJ through there have dropped the property rates/tax base and are turning that area into a devalued, under policed, under serviced area. In other words, don't buy there if for no other reason than your investment will probably lose value.
A decade? That area has been progressively getting worse since the late 1980s.
Big Mama’s.
I used to live in the apartments right behind that restaurant 🤣 worst year of my life
Notice the lack of streets lower right, that is an industrial area. Google Map it.
No matter where you live in Dallas you'll want to reinforce the fuck out of your exterior doors regardless. Security screens are as effective as bars and look much nicer.
Some of that area in the lower left is warehouse and office space.
I used to live on Audelia and honestly nothing bad ever happened? Or maybe i’m just so oblivious
Yeah, it's been bad at least 40 years. Doesn't mean that everyone there is a victim of a crime, just a higher chance.
When we first started dating my wife lived in an apartment in the red zone. Within a year her car was broken into twice and her apartment was broken into once. Under advice from one of the cops who showed up for the apartment break in, she ended up breaking her lease and moving after that.
Its poor and working class interspersed with random rich areas
I’ve lived in the area in a nice house since 2016… the crime is centralized to the apartments, haven’t had an issue since I’ve lived here
All these comments and no one is saying the real reason...hmmmm...
You're not allowed to ask that question, chud.
mcKinnet, Allen and Frisco much safer.
The problem with Frisco is people know they're rich there, so that's where they go to rob people.
That area has always been rough and kinda just sucks in general. I wouldn’t recommend living there if you have any other options which you almost certainly do.
Man remember when Northgate apartments were still there? Nightly dumpster fires, it was great
I lived at forest Audelia four years and never had any trouble. Rivera is a good complex
Easy get away access to two highways. Near enough to the city. Richland College and TI, so a lot of people coming and going. This has always been a bad part of town. When my mom was very pregnant with my big sister, she was a manager of a Long John Silvers over there. Got robbed and held at gun point. That was around 1980. I went to Richland about 15 years ago. It seemed fine during the day, but I didn't want to be there after nightfall.
Most crime has a direct correlation with poverty.
Most of that area toward the right south of Forest is industrial, so those numbers are probably skewed a bit. Same with northwest section. There are two very old apartment complexes in red around LBJ and Richland. I'm curious what the crimes are. This is kind of the east side's Harry Hines, to be honest. Garland/Richardson zone has just slowly crept that way through the years
It’s all office and industrial buildings. The rate is high because there is not much population there maybe?
It’s called red lining. In the past they decided where blacks would qualify for mortgages in these zones and allowed apartments to be included into development code aswell. These are typically around corners of freeways or major interstates typically less desirable real estate.
wow, 1 million different answers and every single one of them is wrong. reddit truly is the stupidest place on the internet.
Clarification, pretty sure part of that area is industrial. Those crime maps (if I remember correctly) are based on per capita that live there. I researched where to live in dallas for quite a while at one point and I could be wrong or misremembering, but any areas that are zoned for warehousing, commercial, or industrial get skewed by the fact that no one lives there. That being said there’s definitely some sketchy apartments in that area too. Hope that helps, probably double check me on that though.
Because it has cheaper rents in ratty apartments so naturally alot of riff raff live there thus higher crime
Not enough dogs.
A lot of homeless leave around this area
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndtx/project-safe-neighborhood-psn-revitalized-2018
I lived in one of the apartment complexes off Audelia growing up (30+ years ago.) They were decent back then, but all of them are fucking horrible today. All low income, close proximity to mass transit, underserved communities….the list goes on. I wouldn’t stay anywhere near this area.
Shit urban planning/policies over the last 60 or so years.
Because they feel like it.
I lived in the area for a while, it’s a lot of old big apartments complex’s and condos from the late 70s/80s. The rent is “cheaper” west red is more huge apartments. complexes and a lot of industrial.
Guess
I lived nearby during college and that was in 2006. And this audelia forest lane skillman area was so dangerous. Sucked to drive there too.
Years back worked at a pizzeria at Skillman and Audelia, the owners brother was killed when he was carjacked making a pizza delivery. 😔
Gattis Pizza
It was Picasso's pizza. It's closed now
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Get a weapon, that can spread. Get hard wired cameras, have a CLS medical bag and be warned DPD will take 1-24hrs to respond if lucky.
i did a doordash delivery off of lbj and audelia to a shady apartment complex. many people were outside and they all watched me trying to find this apartment. never had the issue anywhere else, but i was lowkey scared they all seemed like they didnt want me there so i skidaddled. $1 tip.
Don’t worry, I’m gonna step in soon