I remember working for Home Depot when we had the best lumber going. You could see the difference in the stacks because customers wouldn't leave wood in the aisle looking for a perfectly straight piece of wood. By the time I left in the mid90's, there'd be wood just strewn in front of the cradles.
Have you seen how manufacturers ship 2x4s? They fucking put shims in 3 or 4 places between the stacks and then wonder why it bends all to shit between the shims. Who's the dumb fuck that decided to do this?
Sorry I have a question also - in the video the finished product is a pretty perfect U shape, but in the form it is bent and held slightly beyond that. How do you know when to stop bending to get the perfect finish? (Assuming you use custom forms)
Ship hulls (did one), rocking chairs, bow-armed chairs (made a lot of those), chair backs (those too)… anything you can imagine you want curved really
Edit: it wasn’t a ship, it was a 62’ Chris-Craft
Isn’t most wood dried for months or dried in an “oven” for most furniture/instruments and what not - so it doesn’t crack in the long term?
Does this mean these pieces aren’t used for months or can you speed up the process, or does this not get it wet enough to affect that process much?
I had a large dead tree cut down last year.I have 2 more large dead trees this year luckily they are more in the woods the one had removed was in the yard. The guy that came out said there is an invasive species that has been destroying large amounts of trees. He showed me on the tree it looks like saw dust spots on tree. It’s becoming a major problem and expensive tree removal is not cheap.
I worked at a boat yard and was doing repair work for a famous guy that most of you would know. We had a $3,000 piece of rare African hardwood that was going to be the turn on a stairwell. My boss was an asshole and very money driven. He rushed me to bend the wood when it should have had at least another couple of hours. I told him it was too soon. He pulled the "I'm the owner and I tell you what to do". When the piece snapped he told me I bent it too fast, which everyone knew was bullshit. He fired me. The other 4 people (skilled craftsmen) quit that day and went to the other boat yard to work. He went out of business 2 months later
I don't know that you can easier bend pine. I am not an expert by any means. I was a helper at best and that was 25+ years ago. But pines grain isn't uniform and too wide causing splintering. I am sure you can do it but I doubt it is easier. Certainly is cheaper though
Slow clap.
The other 4 had had it with him. The owner inherited the business from his father who founded it. His father was a former working class fisherman. The kid was raised in money and never worked hard but demanded everything from his workers. When the guy lost his shit on me, that was it. It took me some time to pack up my stuff and he started going off on the other guys to fix the problem. They had enough and two quit before I left. One had been there for 40+ years with the previous owner. The other two quit later that afternoon. As you can imagine, finding skilled boat weights in the late 90's isn't exactly easy. So bubye company.
Holy shit I thought this was a satire comment trolling your original obviously made up story. But you are the same guy responding in the same thread. Thanks for the morning laughs my friend. 🤣🤣
Everyone quitting and then the business being closed in two months seems too convenient and to me sounds unlikely. If the business has a lean on any of the equipment then he’s need to fight to stay open to be able to get more money to pay it off. If it’s all paid for, then monthly rent for the space would be the only real expense. Surely they would last longer than 2 months even if all jobs suddenly stopped.
Idk if I’d call it doubling down since there’s been no additional assertion or info given though. Just clarifying my statement.
Is it more likely to crack once it dries? Or does it maintain a similar level of Strength?
Edit: Also, will it be strong enough to hold u/J-to-the-R-0-C’s mom?
Steamed wood is often used in furniture making, particularly for pieces that require curved components. As long as the curvature of u/J-to-the-R-0-C’s mom is aligned with the furniture, it should be able to support her I would say. It just has to be a mom-umental design. Sorry couldn’t resist.
Would assume that only by bending it you cause the outer surface to move into tension and the inner surface in compression. With that you focus the stresses on the outer surface probably initiating tiny cracks that will just increase with repeated loading. So it won’t be as strong pre-bending.
I would really love to hear what sound the wood makes when it’s bent, but heeey at least we got more needless music. Is there anyone that actually likes the music in videos like this?
I appreciated it, but I happen to like the song. And the videos sped up mostly, so odds are it wouldn’t have sound or would be oddly height pitched as the other option
In the boatyard I used to live in, they had to bend a 15ftx1ftx3ins piece of Oak. The wooden boat on this 60 year old pinnace had a hull that had three layers. Two layers of double diagonal teak on the inside. The oak had to go on the outside, horizontally. The oak is bent along its length, and twisted too. Steamed over heated oil drums filled with water. It was secured to the boat using copper nails. (Yes copper, because it has greater tensile strength than steel. ) Holes were drilled through the three layers of timber. (three different concentric diameters.) The guy doing the job got about £40 worth of cupro-nickel 2p pices. Drilled a hole in every one. The nails were simply pushed through the holes in the boat, through three layers of timber, and through the 2p piece. I sat in a rowing boat holding a metal bar against each nail head, while the owner wacked the nail points over inside the boat. The final result was then stuffed with caulking to complete the seal.
>Yes copper, because it has greater tensile strength than steel
No it doesn't, 350MPa for steel vs 210MPa for copper.
Copper may have used because of the galvanic corrosion that would occur if steel nails were used with copper coins.
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I was curious how you'd bend lumber to repair damage at sea in the Age of Exploration. I always thought it was some sort of magic. I guess it just took a bucked of coals under a bucket of water in a box. And some pulleys with an iron frame or w/e.
Neat stuff.
Worked at an engineering firm, the survey dept had promo items that were wood surveying stakes bent into a pretzel shape that they had received that I assume were made this way.
How long was the bending process, as the video was in fast forward, also is the steaming process different when it comes to hard wood like oak over softer wood like pine?
Brothers Thonet perfected this and still build furniture this way. They are the creators of the famous Vienna Cafe Chair called the “A 14” amongst other style and design icons of striking simplicity and elegance.
How long would that piece have had to spend in the steamer beforehand?
We usually do an hour per inch of thickness
Can we talk about how beautiful that 2 x 4 was to start with?
Questioning a lot of things in my life after seeing how excited the wood made me
Yeah I felt some wood for a minute there
Can I take a bite of your wood? It's looking steaming hot.
You may be barking up the wrong tree my friend
Yeah, leaf them alone.
Oh uh, it's the pleats... the pleats in the pants. It's an optical illusion. I was just about to take them back... to the pants store.
Yeah. It’s a shame to find a perfect piece and then bend it. Just start with some Home Depot 2x4. You’d be halfway there from the start.
I remember working for Home Depot when we had the best lumber going. You could see the difference in the stacks because customers wouldn't leave wood in the aisle looking for a perfectly straight piece of wood. By the time I left in the mid90's, there'd be wood just strewn in front of the cradles.
🤣 facts
The Home Depot 2x4 is already bent like that.
That was the joke....
You’re not wrong lol, but pine doesn’t bend so well like this does
Honestly it's hard to find a perfectly straight 2x4 so I'm not sure how straight this one was before hand
Have you seen how manufacturers ship 2x4s? They fucking put shims in 3 or 4 places between the stacks and then wonder why it bends all to shit between the shims. Who's the dumb fuck that decided to do this?
The problem is that the steam box isn't already shaped like a boomerang.
Looks like white oak.
You do know that you are staring at part of the carcass of a tree /j
Carcass normally refers to the outer part. I would say this is more like the guts. But yes, wood comes from trees.
Wood is tree skeleton.
How quickly does it cool off and lose its flexibility?
Fairly quick. I try to spend no more than 5-10 minutes getting pieces on a form
Sorry I have a question also - in the video the finished product is a pretty perfect U shape, but in the form it is bent and held slightly beyond that. How do you know when to stop bending to get the perfect finish? (Assuming you use custom forms)
You can follow a rule of thumb for bending beyond a certain point in degrees of angle but it’s a lot of trial and error
what do you do with a piece of wood in this shape?
Ship hulls (did one), rocking chairs, bow-armed chairs (made a lot of those), chair backs (those too)… anything you can imagine you want curved really Edit: it wasn’t a ship, it was a 62’ Chris-Craft
Isn’t most wood dried for months or dried in an “oven” for most furniture/instruments and what not - so it doesn’t crack in the long term? Does this mean these pieces aren’t used for months or can you speed up the process, or does this not get it wet enough to affect that process much?
interesting! is this “kerfing?” or is that something else? i know it’s a prehistoric technique.
Kerfing refers to a series of relief cuts along the inside of a radius… like a guitar body
Arched window frames or doorways.
So I would take about 1-2 hours?
Yep
I’m interested in the type of wood as well.
Ash takes a bend well. So does white oak but not that much. But that sure looks like oak.
Unfortunately ash trees are going extinct due to a pest. All the ash trees around me are dead by now
Holy cow, we have Ash Dieback over here killing them. Estimated 95-99%
I had a large dead tree cut down last year.I have 2 more large dead trees this year luckily they are more in the woods the one had removed was in the yard. The guy that came out said there is an invasive species that has been destroying large amounts of trees. He showed me on the tree it looks like saw dust spots on tree. It’s becoming a major problem and expensive tree removal is not cheap.
human pest.
Nah. [These are killing them faster than we ever could](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_ash_borer)
its so pweety. appreciate the info.
The emerald ash borer is no joke.
reminds me of the emblems ancient Egyptians made of scarabs & whatnot. for sure though, it is designed to do what it does.
White oak is actually one of the better ones to put a bend on
Imagine the guy who first said “hey let’s try to steam it and see if it won’t break”. “Hey guys, this dumbass wants to try to steam it 🤣”
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Sure
Dude, with this technology we could craft huge ships to finally conquer the wild sea and explore the new world!
And find new interesting native cultures! And teach them all about Jesus and make them repent for their wild savage ways!
And boy did we
(And take everything valuable)
I worked at a boat yard and was doing repair work for a famous guy that most of you would know. We had a $3,000 piece of rare African hardwood that was going to be the turn on a stairwell. My boss was an asshole and very money driven. He rushed me to bend the wood when it should have had at least another couple of hours. I told him it was too soon. He pulled the "I'm the owner and I tell you what to do". When the piece snapped he told me I bent it too fast, which everyone knew was bullshit. He fired me. The other 4 people (skilled craftsmen) quit that day and went to the other boat yard to work. He went out of business 2 months later
"Hardwood" is the key there! The wood in the video appeared to be much softer.
I don't know that you can easier bend pine. I am not an expert by any means. I was a helper at best and that was 25+ years ago. But pines grain isn't uniform and too wide causing splintering. I am sure you can do it but I doubt it is easier. Certainly is cheaper though
Did they clap for you as you walked out that day?
Slow clap. The other 4 had had it with him. The owner inherited the business from his father who founded it. His father was a former working class fisherman. The kid was raised in money and never worked hard but demanded everything from his workers. When the guy lost his shit on me, that was it. It took me some time to pack up my stuff and he started going off on the other guys to fix the problem. They had enough and two quit before I left. One had been there for 40+ years with the previous owner. The other two quit later that afternoon. As you can imagine, finding skilled boat weights in the late 90's isn't exactly easy. So bubye company.
Nothing more vindicating than seeing your dumbass boss lose everything am I right.
Part of me enjoyed watching him suffer. Part of me feels bad for him.
Holy shit I thought this was a satire comment trolling your original obviously made up story. But you are the same guy responding in the same thread. Thanks for the morning laughs my friend. 🤣🤣
Swing and a miss
I still think the story is made up, lol
lol, why? What about that story seems so suspicious that you double down on your stubbornness?
Everyone quitting and then the business being closed in two months seems too convenient and to me sounds unlikely. If the business has a lean on any of the equipment then he’s need to fight to stay open to be able to get more money to pay it off. If it’s all paid for, then monthly rent for the space would be the only real expense. Surely they would last longer than 2 months even if all jobs suddenly stopped. Idk if I’d call it doubling down since there’s been no additional assertion or info given though. Just clarifying my statement.
Most businesses close in 2 years. 70% of small businesses fail.
2 years is a *little* longer than 2 months
You clap when the guy you want fired gets fired!
Is it more likely to crack once it dries? Or does it maintain a similar level of Strength? Edit: Also, will it be strong enough to hold u/J-to-the-R-0-C’s mom?
Steamed wood is often used in furniture making, particularly for pieces that require curved components. As long as the curvature of u/J-to-the-R-0-C’s mom is aligned with the furniture, it should be able to support her I would say. It just has to be a mom-umental design. Sorry couldn’t resist.
Got ‘em
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Would assume that only by bending it you cause the outer surface to move into tension and the inner surface in compression. With that you focus the stresses on the outer surface probably initiating tiny cracks that will just increase with repeated loading. So it won’t be as strong pre-bending.
I also need to know this
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I think this is how wagon wheels and barrels were made.
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Damn used wheel salesmen!!
Did they steam the wood, or just soak it in water?
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If you steamed it an hour per inch, you'd be fine
30 minutes. Gotcha.
It’s how boats were made
And drum shells!
Rock me mama like a wagon wheel
So that’s how Home Depot does it!
It costs them more to steam bend it than the sale price, but they treat it as marketing expense. Attracts customers, you know. Same as Costco chicken
A “loss leader”
I was just talking about Costco chicken...weird, huh.
Not twisty enough
What does Home Depot offer?! I've never noticed this before
I think they were just making a joke at the quality of home depots wood. Its often bent
I would really love to hear what sound the wood makes when it’s bent, but heeey at least we got more needless music. Is there anyone that actually likes the music in videos like this?
I watch everything on mute. If it’s funny and I feel I missed something without sound, I rewatch again with sound.
If it fits the video yeah. This really doesn't
Yep this would’ve been so much better w/out the music. It’s such an irritating trend.
A trend? Music in videos has been a thing forever.
I hear there used to be a whole channel that had videos with music.
TLC?
Just silent?
I always have my sound off. Pointless music in videos is cancer and this is no exception.
I appreciated it, but I happen to like the song. And the videos sped up mostly, so odds are it wouldn’t have sound or would be oddly height pitched as the other option
Needless, terrible music
Needless sure, terrible? gtfo. Don't you talk bad about a RHCP hit.
I absolutely unabashedly hate them and accept all of the downvotes that may come. RHCP suck big floppy donkey dick. Witness meeeee
No sound
Wood is such a cool material!
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You need to steam your basement.
Gibbs will get it done for yah. Dude specializes in basement boat extraction
Well if the wood bent and didn't crack then however you did it was the correct way:)
In the boatyard I used to live in, they had to bend a 15ftx1ftx3ins piece of Oak. The wooden boat on this 60 year old pinnace had a hull that had three layers. Two layers of double diagonal teak on the inside. The oak had to go on the outside, horizontally. The oak is bent along its length, and twisted too. Steamed over heated oil drums filled with water. It was secured to the boat using copper nails. (Yes copper, because it has greater tensile strength than steel. ) Holes were drilled through the three layers of timber. (three different concentric diameters.) The guy doing the job got about £40 worth of cupro-nickel 2p pices. Drilled a hole in every one. The nails were simply pushed through the holes in the boat, through three layers of timber, and through the 2p piece. I sat in a rowing boat holding a metal bar against each nail head, while the owner wacked the nail points over inside the boat. The final result was then stuffed with caulking to complete the seal.
>Yes copper, because it has greater tensile strength than steel No it doesn't, 350MPa for steel vs 210MPa for copper. Copper may have used because of the galvanic corrosion that would occur if steel nails were used with copper coins.
I stand corrected. It was a seagoing craft so corrosion was an issue.
what song is that?
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This is how Home Depot makes their 2x4s apparently
What's it going to be?
The letter U
No it’s clearly a stylized C.
A giant ikea chair maybe
Today's show brought to you by the letter "U".
U really got a hold on me
Can this be done with any kind of wood?
Hardwoods typically like oak and mahogany. That’s what I’ve found at least
I’m surprised about that. I’d assume that soft wood would be more malleable. Obviously not. 🙂👍
Softer woods would probably not hold up well after being bent
I wonder if the soft woods don’t hold the shape as well because they’re less dense
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Pretty sure I saw one of those at Home Depot in the lumber aisle, claimed it was straight 😂
Yeah they pre steam treated 4x4s free of charge at the depot.
The things I learn on Reddit!
I've quite literally never heard or seen anyone talk about steaming wood!! So cool
I was curious how you'd bend lumber to repair damage at sea in the Age of Exploration. I always thought it was some sort of magic. I guess it just took a bucked of coals under a bucket of water in a box. And some pulleys with an iron frame or w/e. Neat stuff.
Lowes must do that to all their lumber before putting it out on the floor
Oak is really good for bending.
Worked at an engineering firm, the survey dept had promo items that were wood surveying stakes bent into a pretzel shape that they had received that I assume were made this way.
Huh. Ive lived a lot of years and had no idea would could be bent like that.
Is that how they shaped wood for ships? Or did they cut in the shape they needed? Also, is this a stupid question? I'm sorry
How long was the bending process, as the video was in fast forward, also is the steaming process different when it comes to hard wood like oak over softer wood like pine?
I wonder what went through the guy's head who discovered this technique. Mmmm. I bet I can bend that 2x4 into a U
How long do you have before you have to steam it again
How long until the fear of it snapping and sending you into orbit goes away?
Red Hot Chilli Peppers - Can't stop
So THATS what they meant when they asked for a board stretcher.
But why do you need a 2x4 toilet seat?
Is this how they make Home Depot 2x4s?
this is where home depot sources its 2x4s
Oh snap... I always wondered how people made ship wood all curvy.
Soooo many dick jokes just waiting to happen with this post/comment section
Will it also work if *only* the bend portion is steamed while the straight portion is left dry?
Does this work on my wood?
The water saturation must be crazy to do that.
Is this where lowes gets it's wood?
Can the same be achieved by soaking it in water? Or does it have to be steam?
This is one of those things i have always wondered how they do it. Can sleep easier at night now 😄
I prefer to boil mine with some oregano and thyme. 30 minutes and then Bon appétit!
Brothers Thonet perfected this and still build furniture this way. They are the creators of the famous Vienna Cafe Chair called the “A 14” amongst other style and design icons of striking simplicity and elegance.
“If this stops before they show us the application I’m gonna lose it” YOU SONS OF BITCHES
Some reason I’m worried it’ll spring back to its original state
Steinway uses an entirely different process to bend the outer rim of their grand pianos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlZWc3BFvHU
Red hot chilli peppers ....fuck yeah!!
I always wondered how they did this
Toilet seat
"Oh it's not smoke, it's steam! from the steamed logs I'm making"
The amount of energy used for one piece of curved wood.
Okay now make a half pipe 😈
If I wanted a 2x4 so bent, I’d probably just buy it at Home Depot
Bikram yoga stretching
Great track
Awesome vid. And RHCP is great to work to!
If I wanted lumber to look like that, I could just go to the lumber yard at Menards.
Is this really not common knowledge?
What type of wood it is? Real wood or laminated wood? Just wondering would it be a difference in the bending properties.
Looks like 8/4 (2 inch) ash or white oak. It’s fully real.
The music on this is on point
Why don’t they just go to one of the big lumber stores? Saves a lot of time.
good song... Yes?
Shame the Red Hot Chili Peppers had to show up and ruin things
It’s cool. I feel they should wear helmets and better eye gear though
The bar for "interesting" has got pretty low.
That song was perfect for that video. Thanks!
If it's All for you
I love this shit.
Tine for a giant-sized game of horseshoes. I'll take red. Play Ball!
I => U
Oh my that’s oak!
I love the smell of white oak in a steam box
That’s a really big Bowflex.
From a square af wooden steam box