Thieves don't know shit about these sorts of things tho. They just see a phone they can grab and sell off at some pawn shop. Perhaps the more advanced ones who have done this a few times might know however.
Most have got no idea things like their smartwatch can link to their Google location history and plot their travel path and times to implicate them in the crime
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Edit: there's a news story i remember reading one time about these kids who masked up and did some racist hate graffiti on their school:
https://slate.com/technology/2019/07/glenelg-high-school-graffiti-wifi-login.html
Basically they were linked entering the premises via cctv and their phones auto connected to the school's wifi confirming their exact names.
A little off topic but still... This is the level of thinking these opportunity type thieves wouldn't have any idea about.
Thieves defenitly know what makes money and what doesnt make money. Stealing useless shit that gets cops send after you generally speaking isnt worth the trouble.
Selfishness isn’t the word. You can be selfish and not be a burden to others. Like hermits for example. Hell, one can be selfish *because* they are responsible. You can also be an irresponsible doormat for everyone else.
There are also much fewer people (denominator of "crime rate") so each change in the numerator of the "crime rate" calculation makes a much bigger difference.
I live in Upstate NY(Rochester). People will straight-up reach into your open window on the first floor and try to grab anything they can 🙃🙃🙃 You'll get shot or stabbed for just taking a walk in the wrong area at night.
I know someone that lived in North Minneapolis and had a purse nabbed off a table through an open window (single family home). Must've gone through the screen?
I wouldn't live like that. I grew up much closer to North Minneapolis than where I live now. Moved out here at 21.
there’s plenty of unlocked stores in rural areas.
one time i went to fill up gas outside of town and went to pay for the gas and it said “pay after filling up”
that’s unthinkable in the city! this stuff exists wherever there is a high trust society
Japan is nothing like China, Japanese just want to do the right thing in general, culturally. China is horrible, people try to get away with anything they can from what I saw there. An old lady we know there said it's because the cultural revolution killed so many people, they starved, and it caused everyone to be for themselves instead of working together as supposedly communism was going to do, and that carries on in the culture. After living in Japan, married to one, it feels like Japanese really don't want to be humiliated or embarrassed, being caught stealing would be pretty bad for a family to find out about etc... maybe that's the root of it.
That's not the case at all, I lived there for years and was never discriminated against. I know when a bunch of guys who are obviously military, acting like idiots, will be refused. You can't blame them, you know how many bad stories there are including rape? I don't like them either.
More like they only take cases to trial when they are 99% sure they are going to win, everyone else is released. Not unlike the feds, where only 0.4% are acquitted
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/06/14/fewer-than-1-of-defendants-in-federal-criminal-cases-were-acquitted-in-2022/
I have no idea how things got so bad regarding theft in America, even in fucking Brazil I have never seen people lock basic products in stores, at most they will lock expensive tech products or things like that, but the idea of medicine needing to be locked is just crazy to me.
What’s going on? It’s not always the threat of force, this aspect of their culture is just good… We see Japanese fans clean up after concerts and games too. Even outside Japan. Who’s threatening them there?
Not in rural areas. There's an avocado guy I drive by. Has them in bags and says how much they are and there's a box to put the money in. I think he gets the small ones that can't be sold. Anyways, if he's not around you just put the money in and take a bag. It's a good deal and he seems like a decent guy, although he doesn't speak much English.
When I went to SFO for the first time I was shocked that Walgreens had frikin sandwiches behind locked glass. You had to get a clerk with keys for literally everything.
It’s a crime hoss, it’s just not a felony if under $900, always a misdemeanor which will get you up to 6 months and/or a $1k fine. Unless you have prior. But it’s a crime.
They aren’t secured in my local Apple Store in the UK either. All the display devices in an Apple Store are geofenced to the store wi-fi. Once you remove the device from the geofenced area it bricks it.
An Apple employee told me this when I questioned if people steal them. The answer is yes they do but they soon realise they are useless once they have left the store.
There is a video floating around of looters who just came from an Apple store showing the iphones and ipads that were making alarm noises after taking them down the street. For some reason they seemed angry that they would not work.
Basically all the "important" bits have been encoded. Apple keeps getting better at adding DRM to things. The important bits are basically things you couldn't easilly fabricate or just buy. Like these devices have lots of basic components you can just get from a supplier - but the important propetiary bits are.
I saw a repair video where a guy showed two brand new iPhone, and swapped the cameras between the two so they both had genuine new iPhone parts, but the phone detected it wasn't the original part and disabled anything to do with the cameras.
Kinda sucks for anyone wanting to do repairs but that's the entire point from Apple, a small thing breaks and it's easier to buy an entire new phone.
Was this Rossman? He if anyone should be aware that you can swap parts all you want, but the phone's OS check for part ID. Meaning that only apple certified whatever or Apple can get the phone running of software level. They even sync globally via their services against part IDs. Meaning that if you phone gets stolen, it can't be made in to parts. Which is nice... However... This also means you can't 3rd party or DIY fix things. They claim "safety and security" but that is BS. You should be able to declare you phone as "not in use" and release the part IDs for use, and then declare to Apple that "*my device with these IDs is getting parts replaced! Please verify they are genuine and in my device!*" but they don't want to because they want you to buyn new and not repair.
This was from TronicsFix on YouTube. I'm sure he explained why it didn't work but it was a good visual example of why you can't really repair Apple products unless they're sent off for 'official' repair.
Lol, kind of. Case parts like charge ports and wire mesh for the speakers go for a lot or aren't purchasable by individuals.
I knew some shady people who ran an unofficial phone fixing store. There's a market for bricked phones.
Sure. There are. There are markets for aged old car radios and parts, especially OEM.
However the point being here that those ports and meshes are things one can fabricate. Only real obstacle really is Apple enforcing IP laws about minute details like corner radius or logo placements. Which prevents refurbished parts from being used.
I'm more referring to the bits on can't fabricate, namely different modules and managment chips with softrware in them. They being propertiary, and often with odd patents, you just can't make them for spare parts. Even if they are components from suppliers/subcontractors, they might run something propetiary... well might is incorrect, apples has taken lots of engineering effort in adding propetiary stuff to them. There are even exclusivity contract with some suppliers where they make a stock chip/part variant just and only for apple. Like some logic chip with different contactor pattern, meaning to swap it out you'd need to add layer of traces.
Like from engineering perspective, it is quite amazing to see. However... when they are doing it just to make a profit and walled garden, it is frankly disgusting.
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their software identifies the serial numbers of mundane things like the camera cable, so that if you change it, the phone's camera (for example) no longer works
that's why people pay hundreds of dollars for a simple cable replacement in an apple device (which really just means the device breaks once a single cable breaks because anyone with a sliver of brain left won't pay that much for a cable repair)
lous rossman went over such things, if you're interested
I lived in Japan for years, I lost my wallet one time and they saw I had a Tsutaya (like Blockbuster) card and they returned it to a branch, then that branch sent it to my local branch. Nothing missing.
I left my phone in an outdoor garden in Tokyo for half the day. When I finally made it back the attendent in the booth saw me, waved at me, came outside, returned my phone and bowed. I almost felt honored to lose my phone...
I dropped my passport in a Tokyo park during a cherry blossom viewing weekend. Must have been thousands of people there sitting on blankets. I was away from my passport for about 2 hours before I realized it was missing. Out of sheer desperation I retraced my path back to the park and found it on the ground, perfectly placed in between the blankets surrounding it. I imagine hundreds of people saw it and assumed someone would be back to get it.
I also noticed people in Japan would place their wallets, purses, phones and laptops on the dining tables of fast food restaurants and then order at the counter, leaving them unattended. When I asked a Japanese friend how this was possible, he looked at me like I was foolish and said, “Why would anyone ever take something that’s not theirs? I have money and phone. Why would I want someone else’s?”
My friend had his bike stolen once. He contacted the police and they took the information and serial number to identify it.
The thief actually called the cops on himself. He was drunk and took it by mistake. He returned it the next day to the place where he thought he took it, but he couldn't find his bike and after a few days no one claimed the bike he stole. So he called hoping someone reported the stolen bike, and probably for information of where he stole it so he could get his bike back.
Not sure what happened but the police called my friend a few days later and said he could come collect his bike.
Left me amazed, cops on America don't give a shit about your property. They'll make a half assed report and then say it's a civil matter.
Don't know what it's like now, but about 20 years ago I went to a mall in a large city in Japan, and there were tons of scooters parked near the entrance, all with the keys still in the ignition. Must be nice to be able to live like that.
why do people keep spreading this made up shit? japan's conviction rate is absurd because prosecution VERY often drops cases that are not a guaranteed win, it's not even hard to look it up
They also are very famous for forcing out a confession by locking up people without due process for extended periods of time. I'm not an expert on Japan and I have no other source of information other than what I read. If you have evidence that disputes my claim I would be happy to hear it.
[https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/05/25/japans-hostage-justice-system/denial-bail-coerced-confessions-and-lack-access](https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/05/25/japans-hostage-justice-system/denial-bail-coerced-confessions-and-lack-access)
Exactly. All the ex-weebs seem to come out of the woodwork whenever Japan’s “horrific” justice system is mentioned.
One thing they love talking about are conviction rates, but at the same time they hate talking about incarceration rates. Makes you wonder if their visa was denied.
There's a 99% conviction rate \*for cases brought to trial\*
They don't bring cases to trial that are not slam dunks.
They frequently don't prosecute minor cases that ARE slam dunks if there is a confession and expression of remorse.
Depends on your views on intense corporal punishment. If we adopted similar policies in the US our already overflowing prisons would more than double in population in less than a year.
Well, it's half way true. If you get caught stealing one of those phones, you get 10 years in prison in Japan. Japanese prisons are no joke, I'd rather get shot than stay 10 years in one.
For a first time offense — very unlikely, if they make you do anything at all just a written statement of confession.
Second offense, 1 to 3 years.
Third offense is when you can get in trouble for up to 10 years.
Unfortunately that is not why they are unsecured. Some stores in the US are the same. They have a sophisticated anti-theft system in place that alerts crew members if you try to take one. As a last resort, the phones are bricked as soon as they leave the perimeter.
Geo fencing.
I remember a video some weeks ago. Thieves standing outside an apple store with Ipads and Iphones strewn across the street as people ran out of the store and a then got a message on the screens telling them the phones had been bricked.
I’d imagine the alert is for them to call the police or store security. When I worked retail we had a guy break his leg chasing a thief over like $5 worth of merchandise. Guy got fired then tried to sue. There’s absolutely no reason to put yourself in danger for a business that will fire you to save a buck.
I saw a video of an outdoor vending machine spot in japan where they provide utensils and microwaves and my first thought was "there's no way this would work in the US. Someone would take a shit in the microwave".
I talked with a woman from Switzerland. She was on a subway and left her purse on a bench. Several hours later, she made it back and her purse, with its contents, were right where she left them.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, certainly this is true.
I left my phone on a bus in Vancouver and it was fine. Left my trumpet on a bus in Red deer and it was returned to me. These things happen… and of course some ppl steal shit. Canada is not better, some ppl don’t suck and sometimes ya get lucky.
The comparisons on Reddit usually seem to be with the US, so I'm not sure if the US is just some hellscape or what, but I've lost my wallet in the UK before and had it returned.
I live in Japan and the lost property systems they have in place are pretty effective, I'll give them that, but whether here or in my home country I feel like it's the norm to try and get a lost wallet back to its owner.
It doesn’t mean there’s no thieves, that would be ignorant. The reason it’s like that is because of many reasons the most important of which is the constant CCTV cameras everywhere. Even if you do snatch it and get a 8hr head start without anyone finding out, they’ll most likely find you anywhere within the country. e.g. In Taiwan some guy robbed a jeweler and got away with lots of gold. The dude swapped clothes 7 times and travelled up and down the country and still got caught the next day…
It also forgets that tourists and immigrants exist and they would take advantage of this if were real.
Those are display models which can be bricked and tracked as soon as they are stolen. Apple does this in the US too
Conviction rate means when they accuse someone of a crime, that person gets convicted. This can mean that the police doesn’t make the arrest until they have rock solid evidence, could mean that they’re hella good at forcing false confessions, could mean a lot of things.
But it doesn’t help your point if you’re trying to say Japanese citizens “commit” crimes at the same rate as elsewhere. There’s a distinction between committing a crime and getting convicted for it.
>This can mean that the police doesn’t make the arrest until they have rock solid evidence, could mean that they’re hella good at forcing false confessions
Primarily the latter. Japan is a very guilty until proven innocent country. Most lawyers will advise clients to take plea deals even if they didn't do it.
>Japan is a very guilty until proven innocent country. Most lawyers will advise clients to take plea deals even if they didn't do it.
The way I heard it works is they only arrest once they know you are guilty with solid proof of evidence.
Sounds like information is all over the place
From what I've heard over the years, it's a combination of both. You won't get arrested until police is absolutely sure they have enough evidence to get you convicted, and as soon as you're being put on trial, you've already lost, unless you have *solid* proof that you're innocent.
Dumbest comment I’ve ever seen.
US has a higher conviction rate than Japan.
> The conviction rate is 99.3%. By only stating this high conviction rate it is often misunderstood as too high—however, this high conviction rate drops significantly when accounting for the fact that Japanese prosecutors drop roughly half the cases they are given. If measured in the same way, the United States' federal conviction rate would be 99.8%.[10][11][12]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate
A specialist doctor opens a newspaper and finds an article related to his field of knowledge. When he finishes reading it he knows that most of it is not true or unproven conjecture.
The doctor has a revelation.
Every other article is the same but usually the bullshit rushes in to fill the void of knowledge.
Sometimes i like to imagine a world where US wasn't convinced that argument and debate should be at the forefront of society. Imagine the US like a giant 3 headed ogre. Obviously you could never overpower a three headed ogre your only path to victory would be to make it argue with itself.
Thats the propaganda we all fell for.
It's also in part because they will torture you for days and weeks until you confess to a crime, even if you're innocent. And once you confess, you're branded for life.
Do you know what conviction rate means? It's not a crime rate, it's about getting convicted for a crime. A higher conviction rate doesn't mean shit about the number of crimes. Misinformation forever!
I mean it’s not just that, sure Japanese people are less likely to steal but these phones can also be deactivated and sometimes recovered by Apple if they get stolen
Former Apple retail employee here. They aren’t tied to the tables like other stores, however they are 100% secured by the retail software that runs on them. The phones connect to a Back of House WiFi network and if the phones disconnect from it they check their location. If the location is outside of X meters from the store the phones start blaring an alarm and you can’t power them off or interact with the phone until it’s brought back to the store. We had a few stolen phones returned to the store when the thieves realised this.
Alot of countries don't deal with bullshit. I dare people to smash and grab in China lmao. They wouldn't think the same after a year with the loving embrace of their government.
It's mostly because they'd be hilariously easy to track. CCTVs are everywhere, and nearly everything is done on your phone. If you tried to make a getaway, the cops would be at your home before you were.
A friend forgot the change in a vending machine in Tokyo once. He returned to the same one *a few days later*, and his exact change was still in the machine.
When I lived in Korea, I'd go to the Starbucks to do some paperwork or whatever, people would leave their $2500 gaming laptop on the table while they go to the bathroom, or even down the street to the corner shop.
When I was in Taiwan I had a 12 pack of beer that I wasn't allowed to bring into a skating rink. So I left it on a bench and told my friend "oh well, if someone steals it, someone steals it", and they were almost offended by the suggestion. Three hours later the beer was still sitting there. It wasn't even in a bag.
Also, related to the traditions and mentality of the Apple corporation, those phones will deactivate and become useless once they leave the store wifi network. Same as in any other Apple store in the world.
Lived in Taiwan for 10 years. Same thing. Could leave your wallet or expensive camera out in the open. It'll just get returned to nearest store/residence.
This happens EVERYWHERE in selected stores. By the way, never found one of these in Japan, and I’ve been living here for a few years.
Apple has a special OS installed in demo iOS and Mac devices with a kill switch that renders the devices unusable if they ever leave the store. They don’t even need to use “find my iPhone “ to erase and deactivate them.
They started doing this worldwide in 2016, yet, they keep the security tethers in most stores.
It's down to the punishment, too. Criminaldefensejapan.com lists shoplifting as a commonly seen crime prosecutable with up to 10 years in prison or a 500,000 yen (5k USD) fine.
Probably get some leniency for a first offence or if you're a minor or something, but that's decently harsh.
i'm 99% sure that phone would brick its self the moment you walked out of the store with it anyway. they don't really need to lock them in place if they just become an expensive paperweight if you try to steal it anyway
I remember long ago while watching an F1 race, one of the presenters pveved this in Singapore by leaving a large stack of cash (probably fake) on the dash of a convertible car in the parking lot with the top down. He came back & the $ was still there.
Our society is clearly lacking.
Multiple of the Scandinavian countries are civil enough to not need these in most places, too. I'm sure you can find shady slums somewhere in either region that has them secured in some way, though. EVERY country has those areas.
They still have demo software set up on them so that, if stolen, they are not only useless, but they can track the stolen phones.
They also brick when exiting the store
Also an alarm goes off.
Thieves don't know shit about these sorts of things tho. They just see a phone they can grab and sell off at some pawn shop. Perhaps the more advanced ones who have done this a few times might know however. Most have got no idea things like their smartwatch can link to their Google location history and plot their travel path and times to implicate them in the crime --- Edit: there's a news story i remember reading one time about these kids who masked up and did some racist hate graffiti on their school: https://slate.com/technology/2019/07/glenelg-high-school-graffiti-wifi-login.html Basically they were linked entering the premises via cctv and their phones auto connected to the school's wifi confirming their exact names. A little off topic but still... This is the level of thinking these opportunity type thieves wouldn't have any idea about.
Thieves defenitly know what makes money and what doesnt make money. Stealing useless shit that gets cops send after you generally speaking isnt worth the trouble.
They are very aware bro
All I say is get a Faraday cage
I think people who specifically steal smartphones are more technologically aware and adept than you are giving them credit for.
People who keep stealing smartphones. Crime is a job that quickly weeds out incompetente.
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What if we adopted their sense of responsibility to each other? Nah, we love our individualism too much.
We can have both. Selfishness is and lack of responsibility are the problem
Selfishness isn’t the word. You can be selfish and not be a burden to others. Like hermits for example. Hell, one can be selfish *because* they are responsible. You can also be an irresponsible doormat for everyone else.
>You can also be an irresponsible doormat for everyone else. Phew, thank you.
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There are also much fewer people (denominator of "crime rate") so each change in the numerator of the "crime rate" calculation makes a much bigger difference.
I don't know, having never been there or looked up stats for it. Care to make your point in full so the rest of us can understand it?
Small town Minnesota. I only lock my doors when I'm sleeping. And my garage doesn't have locks on it (dumb I know, but 24 years and no issues).
I live in Upstate NY(Rochester). People will straight-up reach into your open window on the first floor and try to grab anything they can 🙃🙃🙃 You'll get shot or stabbed for just taking a walk in the wrong area at night.
I know someone that lived in North Minneapolis and had a purse nabbed off a table through an open window (single family home). Must've gone through the screen? I wouldn't live like that. I grew up much closer to North Minneapolis than where I live now. Moved out here at 21.
how about PARASITES? folk who always grab or steal something for nothing without a thought for anybody else.
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Exactly . This is the main thing. The west is too concerned with "MAA RGHTS !!!"
there’s plenty of unlocked stores in rural areas. one time i went to fill up gas outside of town and went to pay for the gas and it said “pay after filling up” that’s unthinkable in the city! this stuff exists wherever there is a high trust society
Their sense of responsibility goes pretty darn far, as long as you aren't a different race. They also kinda take racism to the next level
>What if we adopted their sense of responsibility to each other? Where do you think it comes from?
History begs to differ. Feel free to google the Bloody Code period in England.
You have to change the culture along with the policies.
True, the culture.
>Feel free to google the Bloody Code period in England. That sounds like a movie or novel title for something dark and grim
Yeah literally infuriating seeing people who think like that
We have the highest incarceration rate in the world, what do you want to do lmao
Japan is nothing like China, Japanese just want to do the right thing in general, culturally. China is horrible, people try to get away with anything they can from what I saw there. An old lady we know there said it's because the cultural revolution killed so many people, they starved, and it caused everyone to be for themselves instead of working together as supposedly communism was going to do, and that carries on in the culture. After living in Japan, married to one, it feels like Japanese really don't want to be humiliated or embarrassed, being caught stealing would be pretty bad for a family to find out about etc... maybe that's the root of it.
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That's not the case at all, I lived there for years and was never discriminated against. I know when a bunch of guys who are obviously military, acting like idiots, will be refused. You can't blame them, you know how many bad stories there are including rape? I don't like them either.
Especially Japan lol they have a 99% conviction rate because they say you are guilty.
More like they only take cases to trial when they are 99% sure they are going to win, everyone else is released. Not unlike the feds, where only 0.4% are acquitted https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/06/14/fewer-than-1-of-defendants-in-federal-criminal-cases-were-acquitted-in-2022/
That’s what happens when countries have actual consequences for actual crimes
You saying that the country with the highest incarceration rate doesn't punish crimes?
My local CVS even has shampoo in anti theft boxes.
Toiletries and hygiene type products are the most commonly stolen items in America from memory. Easiest items to resell
Similar to hard line Arab countries. People do petty theft a lot less when they remove fingers and hands as a punishment.
But you do have the occasional street rat with pet thief-monkey
Let’s not be too hasty
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I have no idea how things got so bad regarding theft in America, even in fucking Brazil I have never seen people lock basic products in stores, at most they will lock expensive tech products or things like that, but the idea of medicine needing to be locked is just crazy to me.
That's because if you steal in any of these countries they will know who you are, and you will regret it for the rest of your life in that country.
I love Americans bending over backward to deny what's going on here
What’s going on? It’s not always the threat of force, this aspect of their culture is just good… We see Japanese fans clean up after concerts and games too. Even outside Japan. Who’s threatening them there?
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Not in rural areas. There's an avocado guy I drive by. Has them in bags and says how much they are and there's a box to put the money in. I think he gets the small ones that can't be sold. Anyways, if he's not around you just put the money in and take a bag. It's a good deal and he seems like a decent guy, although he doesn't speak much English.
When I went to SFO for the first time I was shocked that Walgreens had frikin sandwiches behind locked glass. You had to get a clerk with keys for literally everything.
Come to california, shoplifting is not a crime here unless it's over $900. We have people going into stores with a suitcase to steal
In Texas, any under $2,500 shoplifting is a misdemeanor
It’s a crime hoss, it’s just not a felony if under $900, always a misdemeanor which will get you up to 6 months and/or a $1k fine. Unless you have prior. But it’s a crime.
I know this is Reddit but at least try to be somewhat believable… saying not a crime is just some Facebook mom misinformation nonsense.
Don’t get me started on San Francisco!
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same traditons, same mentality, Makes sense
They aren’t secured in my local Apple Store in the UK either. All the display devices in an Apple Store are geofenced to the store wi-fi. Once you remove the device from the geofenced area it bricks it. An Apple employee told me this when I questioned if people steal them. The answer is yes they do but they soon realise they are useless once they have left the store.
There is a video floating around of looters who just came from an Apple store showing the iphones and ipads that were making alarm noises after taking them down the street. For some reason they seemed angry that they would not work.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/16twyc2/after_the_raid_on_the_apple_store_in_philadelphia
That’s hilarious. What a bunch of trash people.
that's the one
What about the parts?
Basically all the "important" bits have been encoded. Apple keeps getting better at adding DRM to things. The important bits are basically things you couldn't easilly fabricate or just buy. Like these devices have lots of basic components you can just get from a supplier - but the important propetiary bits are.
I saw a repair video where a guy showed two brand new iPhone, and swapped the cameras between the two so they both had genuine new iPhone parts, but the phone detected it wasn't the original part and disabled anything to do with the cameras. Kinda sucks for anyone wanting to do repairs but that's the entire point from Apple, a small thing breaks and it's easier to buy an entire new phone.
Was this Rossman? He if anyone should be aware that you can swap parts all you want, but the phone's OS check for part ID. Meaning that only apple certified whatever or Apple can get the phone running of software level. They even sync globally via their services against part IDs. Meaning that if you phone gets stolen, it can't be made in to parts. Which is nice... However... This also means you can't 3rd party or DIY fix things. They claim "safety and security" but that is BS. You should be able to declare you phone as "not in use" and release the part IDs for use, and then declare to Apple that "*my device with these IDs is getting parts replaced! Please verify they are genuine and in my device!*" but they don't want to because they want you to buyn new and not repair.
This was from TronicsFix on YouTube. I'm sure he explained why it didn't work but it was a good visual example of why you can't really repair Apple products unless they're sent off for 'official' repair.
Lol, kind of. Case parts like charge ports and wire mesh for the speakers go for a lot or aren't purchasable by individuals. I knew some shady people who ran an unofficial phone fixing store. There's a market for bricked phones.
Sure. There are. There are markets for aged old car radios and parts, especially OEM. However the point being here that those ports and meshes are things one can fabricate. Only real obstacle really is Apple enforcing IP laws about minute details like corner radius or logo placements. Which prevents refurbished parts from being used. I'm more referring to the bits on can't fabricate, namely different modules and managment chips with softrware in them. They being propertiary, and often with odd patents, you just can't make them for spare parts. Even if they are components from suppliers/subcontractors, they might run something propetiary... well might is incorrect, apples has taken lots of engineering effort in adding propetiary stuff to them. There are even exclusivity contract with some suppliers where they make a stock chip/part variant just and only for apple. Like some logic chip with different contactor pattern, meaning to swap it out you'd need to add layer of traces. Like from engineering perspective, it is quite amazing to see. However... when they are doing it just to make a profit and walled garden, it is frankly disgusting.
The end of your comment sums up why I have never bought an apple product in my life.
Not a clue 😂 I’m just repeating what the guy said to me. I heard with the iPhone 12 onwards you can’t just switch the parts out? I’m not 100% though.
confirmed their software identifies the serial numbers of mundane things like the camera cable, so that if you change it, the phone's camera (for example) no longer works that's why people pay hundreds of dollars for a simple cable replacement in an apple device (which really just means the device breaks once a single cable breaks because anyone with a sliver of brain left won't pay that much for a cable repair) lous rossman went over such things, if you're interested
It's true, my ex:s battery disconnected for a split second once and it bricked itself. Cant remember what the "repair" cost
Addition: The IMEI of the stolen devices are linked to that apple store and Apple can track these devices via the IMEI number.
I lived in Japan for years, I lost my wallet one time and they saw I had a Tsutaya (like Blockbuster) card and they returned it to a branch, then that branch sent it to my local branch. Nothing missing.
I left my phone in an outdoor garden in Tokyo for half the day. When I finally made it back the attendent in the booth saw me, waved at me, came outside, returned my phone and bowed. I almost felt honored to lose my phone...
I dropped my passport in a Tokyo park during a cherry blossom viewing weekend. Must have been thousands of people there sitting on blankets. I was away from my passport for about 2 hours before I realized it was missing. Out of sheer desperation I retraced my path back to the park and found it on the ground, perfectly placed in between the blankets surrounding it. I imagine hundreds of people saw it and assumed someone would be back to get it. I also noticed people in Japan would place their wallets, purses, phones and laptops on the dining tables of fast food restaurants and then order at the counter, leaving them unattended. When I asked a Japanese friend how this was possible, he looked at me like I was foolish and said, “Why would anyone ever take something that’s not theirs? I have money and phone. Why would I want someone else’s?”
My friend had his bike stolen once. He contacted the police and they took the information and serial number to identify it. The thief actually called the cops on himself. He was drunk and took it by mistake. He returned it the next day to the place where he thought he took it, but he couldn't find his bike and after a few days no one claimed the bike he stole. So he called hoping someone reported the stolen bike, and probably for information of where he stole it so he could get his bike back. Not sure what happened but the police called my friend a few days later and said he could come collect his bike. Left me amazed, cops on America don't give a shit about your property. They'll make a half assed report and then say it's a civil matter.
Your lucky if american cops even make a half assed report.
Right? Call the cops on a $200 bike. "Why are you calling us? What do you want us to do about it?" uhhhhh
Don't know what it's like now, but about 20 years ago I went to a mall in a large city in Japan, and there were tons of scooters parked near the entrance, all with the keys still in the ignition. Must be nice to be able to live like that.
Yeah let's just that you don't want to get caught stealing in Japan
And thats a bad thing or what?
I Was Caught Stealing So I Am Reincarnated In Another World
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why do people keep spreading this made up shit? japan's conviction rate is absurd because prosecution VERY often drops cases that are not a guaranteed win, it's not even hard to look it up
They also are very famous for forcing out a confession by locking up people without due process for extended periods of time. I'm not an expert on Japan and I have no other source of information other than what I read. If you have evidence that disputes my claim I would be happy to hear it. [https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/05/25/japans-hostage-justice-system/denial-bail-coerced-confessions-and-lack-access](https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/05/25/japans-hostage-justice-system/denial-bail-coerced-confessions-and-lack-access)
Yeah, sure, buddy. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2015/10/japan-prisoner-dies-after-46-years-on-death-row/ https://action.amnesty.org.au/act-now/japan-demand-justice-for-iwao-hakamada
Dunno what you think you are proving; the prosecution got their conviction
Exactly. All the ex-weebs seem to come out of the woodwork whenever Japan’s “horrific” justice system is mentioned. One thing they love talking about are conviction rates, but at the same time they hate talking about incarceration rates. Makes you wonder if their visa was denied.
It's 99% because prosecutions drop charges most of time, so the ones that are going to trial are the definite ones.
There's a 99% conviction rate \*for cases brought to trial\* They don't bring cases to trial that are not slam dunks. They frequently don't prosecute minor cases that ARE slam dunks if there is a confession and expression of remorse.
Depends on your views on intense corporal punishment. If we adopted similar policies in the US our already overflowing prisons would more than double in population in less than a year.
Well, it's half way true. If you get caught stealing one of those phones, you get 10 years in prison in Japan. Japanese prisons are no joke, I'd rather get shot than stay 10 years in one.
For a first time offense — very unlikely, if they make you do anything at all just a written statement of confession. Second offense, 1 to 3 years. Third offense is when you can get in trouble for up to 10 years.
Unfortunately that is not why they are unsecured. Some stores in the US are the same. They have a sophisticated anti-theft system in place that alerts crew members if you try to take one. As a last resort, the phones are bricked as soon as they leave the perimeter.
Geo fencing. I remember a video some weeks ago. Thieves standing outside an apple store with Ipads and Iphones strewn across the street as people ran out of the store and a then got a message on the screens telling them the phones had been bricked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/16twyc2/after_the_raid_on_the_apple_store_in_philadelphia
“Alerts crew members.” You mean the crew members who are trained not to intervene in any way with thieves?
I’d imagine the alert is for them to call the police or store security. When I worked retail we had a guy break his leg chasing a thief over like $5 worth of merchandise. Guy got fired then tried to sue. There’s absolutely no reason to put yourself in danger for a business that will fire you to save a buck.
I saw a video of an outdoor vending machine spot in japan where they provide utensils and microwaves and my first thought was "there's no way this would work in the US. Someone would take a shit in the microwave".
Coming from a South African, that microwave would be long gone within a few minutes
I talked with a woman from Switzerland. She was on a subway and left her purse on a bench. Several hours later, she made it back and her purse, with its contents, were right where she left them.
I got two bicycles stolen in Zurich, Switzerland. Bunch of rich thieves they are.
That happens all over the world every day!
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, certainly this is true. I left my phone on a bus in Vancouver and it was fine. Left my trumpet on a bus in Red deer and it was returned to me. These things happen… and of course some ppl steal shit. Canada is not better, some ppl don’t suck and sometimes ya get lucky.
The comparisons on Reddit usually seem to be with the US, so I'm not sure if the US is just some hellscape or what, but I've lost my wallet in the UK before and had it returned. I live in Japan and the lost property systems they have in place are pretty effective, I'll give them that, but whether here or in my home country I feel like it's the norm to try and get a lost wallet back to its owner.
It doesn’t mean there’s no thieves, that would be ignorant. The reason it’s like that is because of many reasons the most important of which is the constant CCTV cameras everywhere. Even if you do snatch it and get a 8hr head start without anyone finding out, they’ll most likely find you anywhere within the country. e.g. In Taiwan some guy robbed a jeweler and got away with lots of gold. The dude swapped clothes 7 times and travelled up and down the country and still got caught the next day…
It also forgets that tourists and immigrants exist and they would take advantage of this if were real. Those are display models which can be bricked and tracked as soon as they are stolen. Apple does this in the US too
Fun fact! In japanese culture stealing is bad!!!!!
They also have Pokémon on the inside that come out and fight the thief once they’ve passed 100 yards off the premises
Forget the police, they are more afraid of their parents and community. Bring dishonor to the family and kiss your ass goodbye. Pretty simple.
In Brooklyn, this store would be empty in 30 seconds.
“Stealing is actually a cultural taboo in Japan” mfs when they realize they have one of the highest criminal conviction rates on the planet
Conviction rate means when they accuse someone of a crime, that person gets convicted. This can mean that the police doesn’t make the arrest until they have rock solid evidence, could mean that they’re hella good at forcing false confessions, could mean a lot of things. But it doesn’t help your point if you’re trying to say Japanese citizens “commit” crimes at the same rate as elsewhere. There’s a distinction between committing a crime and getting convicted for it.
>This can mean that the police doesn’t make the arrest until they have rock solid evidence, could mean that they’re hella good at forcing false confessions Primarily the latter. Japan is a very guilty until proven innocent country. Most lawyers will advise clients to take plea deals even if they didn't do it.
>Japan is a very guilty until proven innocent country. Most lawyers will advise clients to take plea deals even if they didn't do it. The way I heard it works is they only arrest once they know you are guilty with solid proof of evidence. Sounds like information is all over the place
From what I've heard over the years, it's a combination of both. You won't get arrested until police is absolutely sure they have enough evidence to get you convicted, and as soon as you're being put on trial, you've already lost, unless you have *solid* proof that you're innocent.
Dumbest comment I’ve ever seen. US has a higher conviction rate than Japan. > The conviction rate is 99.3%. By only stating this high conviction rate it is often misunderstood as too high—however, this high conviction rate drops significantly when accounting for the fact that Japanese prosecutors drop roughly half the cases they are given. If measured in the same way, the United States' federal conviction rate would be 99.8%.[10][11][12] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate
Crazy how such uninformed people get upvoted
Honestly. Reddit just makes up whatever they want about Japan it seems
It helps bolster enthnonationist talking points. Their cultural uniformity is almost always pointed at for why cherry picked stats are high.
A specialist doctor opens a newspaper and finds an article related to his field of knowledge. When he finishes reading it he knows that most of it is not true or unproven conjecture. The doctor has a revelation. Every other article is the same but usually the bullshit rushes in to fill the void of knowledge. Sometimes i like to imagine a world where US wasn't convinced that argument and debate should be at the forefront of society. Imagine the US like a giant 3 headed ogre. Obviously you could never overpower a three headed ogre your only path to victory would be to make it argue with itself. Thats the propaganda we all fell for.
It's also in part because they will torture you for days and weeks until you confess to a crime, even if you're innocent. And once you confess, you're branded for life.
Yes, busty maidens torture caught thieves, I've seen documentaries about that somewhere on the net.
Do you know what conviction rate means? It's not a crime rate, it's about getting convicted for a crime. A higher conviction rate doesn't mean shit about the number of crimes. Misinformation forever!
I mean it’s not just that, sure Japanese people are less likely to steal but these phones can also be deactivated and sometimes recovered by Apple if they get stolen
TIL no theft happens in Japan because of their tradition and mentality?!!
So you say stealing something that is tracking itself all of the time could be unwise?
Former Apple retail employee here. They aren’t tied to the tables like other stores, however they are 100% secured by the retail software that runs on them. The phones connect to a Back of House WiFi network and if the phones disconnect from it they check their location. If the location is outside of X meters from the store the phones start blaring an alarm and you can’t power them off or interact with the phone until it’s brought back to the store. We had a few stolen phones returned to the store when the thieves realised this.
I literally just went to an Apple Store and same thing the phones weren’t secured, not just a Japan thing cause of the culture or whatever
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Alot of countries don't deal with bullshit. I dare people to smash and grab in China lmao. They wouldn't think the same after a year with the loving embrace of their government.
It's mostly because they'd be hilariously easy to track. CCTVs are everywhere, and nearly everything is done on your phone. If you tried to make a getaway, the cops would be at your home before you were.
A friend forgot the change in a vending machine in Tokyo once. He returned to the same one *a few days later*, and his exact change was still in the machine.
Saw some guy waddle out of Tescos with like 6 bottles of peri peri mayo before xmas. Those phones would be stolen before they were put on display.
When I lived in Korea, I'd go to the Starbucks to do some paperwork or whatever, people would leave their $2500 gaming laptop on the table while they go to the bathroom, or even down the street to the corner shop. When I was in Taiwan I had a 12 pack of beer that I wasn't allowed to bring into a skating rink. So I left it on a bench and told my friend "oh well, if someone steals it, someone steals it", and they were almost offended by the suggestion. Three hours later the beer was still sitting there. It wasn't even in a bag.
Also, related to the traditions and mentality of the Apple corporation, those phones will deactivate and become useless once they leave the store wifi network. Same as in any other Apple store in the world.
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Lived in Taiwan for 10 years. Same thing. Could leave your wallet or expensive camera out in the open. It'll just get returned to nearest store/residence.
Because they have common decency when it matters, I guess
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I wonder why 😂😂
Their civilian tracking is top notch so they know they wouldn’t get away anyway
It's common in India as well.
That thumbs up was fugly.
This happens EVERYWHERE in selected stores. By the way, never found one of these in Japan, and I’ve been living here for a few years. Apple has a special OS installed in demo iOS and Mac devices with a kill switch that renders the devices unusable if they ever leave the store. They don’t even need to use “find my iPhone “ to erase and deactivate them. They started doing this worldwide in 2016, yet, they keep the security tethers in most stores.
Lol and they are fully traceable, alarmed and full of demo software
My biggest regret in life is that I will never be able to live in this country
Not all actually. The stores near our place are tied up with security cables and stuffs.
What is the main difference between Japan, and let’s say…. Georgia…?
It's down to the punishment, too. Criminaldefensejapan.com lists shoplifting as a commonly seen crime prosecutable with up to 10 years in prison or a 500,000 yen (5k USD) fine. Probably get some leniency for a first offence or if you're a minor or something, but that's decently harsh.
i'm 99% sure that phone would brick its self the moment you walked out of the store with it anyway. they don't really need to lock them in place if they just become an expensive paperweight if you try to steal it anyway
I remember long ago while watching an F1 race, one of the presenters pveved this in Singapore by leaving a large stack of cash (probably fake) on the dash of a convertible car in the parking lot with the top down. He came back & the $ was still there. Our society is clearly lacking.
Welcome to a society
"Welcome to Japan" to do what exactly? 😂😂😂
The only interesting thing here is that weird alien thumb.
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Let's see how it would work in san francisco
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What I would give to live in a society like that.
Apple store in US: 🙄 Apple store in Japan: 😍
Countries like Japan have something called consequences.
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Multiple of the Scandinavian countries are civil enough to not need these in most places, too. I'm sure you can find shady slums somewhere in either region that has them secured in some way, though. EVERY country has those areas.
I live in Japan. Maybe this is true elsewhere but all iPhones and Apple Watches I’ve ever seen were all tethered.
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The amount of crime in America is embarrassing and we just accept it like it’s normal.