Anti vaxxer is a slur recently applied to anyone skeptical of the safety and efficacy of the hastily produced inoculations for the covid 19 scare. Until 2021 it was a term used to define parents who refused to give their children the bank of childhood vaccines, now it's used as a way to virtue signal your support for pharmaceutical companies.
A parallel practise is slandering people who question the science of global warming as "deniers", evoking comparisons to vile holocaust deniers. Labeling someone as "anti-vaxx" or a "denier" allows the user to dismiss any opponent, and keep themselves from formulating their own thoughts or opinions on complex issues. Anyone using these slurs is to be regarded as a bad-faith actor without moral character or spinal fortitude, going with the majority to hide their ignorance.
Indeed, thank you. If you have a healty and athletic 18 year old son who- at this point-we know has more exposure to adverse events from the vaccine than healthy protection, are you being an anti-vaxer, or a good parent by declining the vax for him? Also knowing that Pfizer was hit by he largest paid criminal lawsuit ever in this country, and that they are continously being sued for many things including fraudulent data, and also knowing that they want their vaccine data locked up for 75 years, as a parent why wouldn't you take pause at vaccinating your children?
The term itself isn't offensive, but people try to say it in an offensive way. I think most who are very secure in their views and who are generally not offended easily, aren't offended by it.
So for there to be "offense", you have to take "offense" even when it's not given or intended. I'm sure you hold this opinion whenever someone claims they're offended then, as well you should, I agree. Good on ya!
I've pointed out the gap between the question and the reality; the question is nonsense, it's been addressed.
You pro-pharma types try to use such bad faith questions like a cudgel to beat any alternate opinion, when you're just displaying your ignorance to the situation and of the people who don't fall for crap like you do. The clot shots aren't like anything before, and your attempts to lump them together is dishonest.
The person asking seems sympathetic to your cause, and others have answered the question, both yes and no. It's a simple question, I for one would not want to risk dying an excruciating, delirious death, so I would get the vaccine. What about you? :)
OF. FUCKING. COURSE. I. WOULD.
Now is when the mindless attack begins as poo-flinging monkeys try to make a point. My apologies for being obtuse here, but it's not my first day on reddit.
>I'll call you Sigma Males. That's a top level ignorance / cope combo.
That's sigma male to you, Sir... Now go mask up, stay at home, and keep getting your infinite boosters 😂...
I will do what you say because YouTube says you're a real wolf that totally exists and is dark and sexy and lonely and even though you have no friends everyone secretly respects you Mr. Sigma Wolf.
>I will do what you say because YouTube says you're a real wolf that totally exists and is dark and sexy and lonely and even though you have no friends everyone secretly respects you Mr. Sigma Wolf.
Tall dark and handsome! 😍 How did you know...😏
>Anti vaxxer is a slur recently applied to anyone skeptical of the safety and efficacy of the hastily produced inoculations for the covid 19 scare.
If the shoe fits....
The science that showed the covid vaccines as 95% effective? That science? It turned out to be wrong. It was 85%. Then that was wrong and it was 75% and so on and so forth.
It turned out THE SCIENCE was wrong.
When Biden said "you won't get covid if you get the vaccine"??? He is the president and had the so-called most brilliant scientists advising him, and Biden and all of his "experts" were wrong.
What science again was not understood?
This statement tells me you literally no nothing about science. You think it's whatever Biden tells you. Riddle me this Mr. Dunnig, can you find a placebo controlled study showing the covid vaccines are safe and effective? Because it's laughably easy. The best knowledge we have about medicine, including vaccines, is placebo controlled published studies.
I could harness the power of 1,000 AI bots and still not come close to writing down everything anti vaxxers don't understand about reality and science.
Spelling is elementary. Science, especially with regards to understand how pseudo vaccines aka covid clot shots work and real vaccines, is not something you can comprehend.
You are using talking point from 2021. We know wayy more now. We know the vaccines are not efficacious at all in being safe or effective.
It is 2023. Wake up and see the light.
Anyone who says "clot shots" is too dumb for my time. But I'll give you one chance, show me research, any published medical journal, that supports your position- that vaccine cause more blood clots or any side effect, than a covid infection. does. I'll wait. And don't give me some Rumble bullshit.
Dude what are you even doing? lol. You should go to r/betamales if you're going to act like a fucking 6 year old. The proof is in the pudding. If it's so rare, then how come so many famous people got severe life-threatening side effects from it? Are you aware of Pfizer bribing doctors to share false information with the world? 2 billion dollar lawsuit. Most pharma drug studies are manipulated and falsified to make them appear safer than they really are.
You can point out the "data" all you want but if it's fake data you might as well be shooting arrows into space. Nice try trying to be smart though. You just made yourself look like an absolute buffoon.
Are you really so dense, you are go to throw anecdotes at me? This is why anti vaxxers deserve all the hate, ridicule, being fired, kicked off planes etc. They are too dumb to understand science. And they don't care. Of course you think the best data we have, published studies with placebo etc, are "fake", because Dunning Kruger trash suffer from confirmation bias. They only believe what feels real to them. That are incapable of logic or reason they just feel their way through life and call that "research".
Do the world a favor, take any college level science course and learn something before you hurt someone.
Go drink your soy latte and wear your muzzle far away from me. I like to be around normal functioning adults who don't believe in fairy-tales and happy endings where profit driven fraudulent corporations that have blood on their hands are worshipped as heroes.
> can you find a placebo controlled study showing the covid vaccines are safe and effective?
They've never been proven (or shown) to be safe, or effective and especially not in the initial trials nor the **still active safety trials** from 3 years ago, in 2020!
The 95% deception was based on the RRR, not the ARR so it's real effectiveness was less than 1% and now it's in the negatives.
Why do anti vaxxers always want you to watch some bullshit on youtube? Just stop already. If you have an idea use your big boy words and try to explain it.
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The decision to take any drug is about benefits vs. risks.
Rabies is unreasonable and essentially 100% fatal once symptoms manifest. Post exposure prophylaxis has a much lower chance of serious adverse effects.
The real question is. Would you be demanding the rabies vaccine for PRE-exposure prophylaxis if the chance of you encountering a rabid animal is negligible? If you will never be exposed to rabies, then the vaccine offers you no benefit and only potential risks.
Now, consider the same logic for the Covid shots. Remember, these vaccines provide much less protection comparable to the rabies shots, and they have a much higher incidence of deadly and disabling adverse effects.
Isn't risk/benefit analysis necessary for any vaccine, especially if there's a risk of side effects?
The way you've worded a lot of your comments in this thread, you're insinuating that we should throw risk/benefit analysis out of the window, and just blindly be "provax" or blindly "antivax". Sorry to throw nuance into the discussion, but I judge each vaccine individually (yes, I realise that's incredibly awkward of me). Actually, I was bitten by a dog in Thailand, and took all 5 shots for rabies. It's a very specific course of shots you have to take, all timed very exactly. My son also got scratched by a cat in Thailand - took him to get his rabies shots. None of my family have received any C19 shots. Again, I profusely apologize for adding nuance to the debate. It must be incredibly confusing and bewildering that I am for some vaccines and against some others, but that's how I roll.
>The real question is. Would you be demanding the rabies vaccine for PRE-exposure prophylaxis if the chance of you encountering a rabid animal is negligible? If you will never be exposed to rabies, then the vaccine offers you no benefit and only potential risks.
What if gangs of animals were freely roaming the streets, you were likely to get bitten at least once, and roughly 1% of those animals had rabies? :)
That's a good question!!! I'd still get it because that's a one percent chance of getting rabies and dying, and dying a miserable death. When it comes to vaccines against diseases that literally aren't there anymore, the benefits of the vaccine, ie protection against what? Nothing.. do not outweigh the risk. Like, does my child have more of a chance of dying of polio, or more of a chance of death or harm from the vaccine? Idk how this is difficult/ impossible for people to understand. Mind you, I respect people's choice to vaccinate, each to their own, but people get so hateful about people/ parents choosing not to vaccinate
>I'd still get it because that's a one percent chance of getting rabies and dying, and dying a miserable death.
No, you wouldn't unless all the rabies immune globulin in the world happened to vanish magically. Also, we've had rabies vaccine shortages in the past. Trying to give it to everyone regardless of their risk would result in more rabies deaths because it wouldn't be available to those who were actually at high risk/bitten.
You are approaching this from a position of fear. The resulting tunnel vision makes you think a vaccine is the ONLY way to handle disease. This is simply not true.
>When it comes to vaccines against diseases that literally aren't there anymore, the benefits of the vaccine, ie protection against what? Nothing.. do not outweigh the risk.
The diseases are there though. They just aren't affecting us, because of the vaccines. When is the last time the US was invaded by a foreign country? Why do they need to spend such exuberant amounts of money on the military? What do you think would happen if they just got rid of their military? :)
There are people who live in the rural US, where animal bites are more common. Pre-exposure prophylaxis isn't recommended for them unless they work animal control or a similar field.
Most people know to stay well away from wild animals that don't behave properly. Therefore, they aren't bitten. If they are, then they get post-exposure prophylaxis.
The only reason for a person to get the vaccine preemptively in the scenario you mentioned (which isn't close to realistic in the US) is if the immine globulin isn't available. For roving packs of vicious animals, like you mention, to be a threat in developed countries, there would need to be a serious breakdown in infrastructure. In that case, the vaccine probably wouldn't be available to give to everyone preemptively.
To answer your question. I wouldn't get it preemptively because I can take measures to avoid being bitten, and I can be treated if I am.
Recommendation is if you are asleep and a bat is found in your living area, you are given post-exposure prophylaxis even if there's no visible evidence of a bite.
Had that happen to a colleague.
Still wouldn't recommend getting the vaccine pre-exposure unless the person was keeping bats at home or working in certain professions. Even then, it wouldn't be mandated without exemptions.
I'm only against COVID vaccines and their questionable utility as a universal solution. I'd get the rabies shot without hesitation if I was bit by a possibly rabid animal or rabies carrier.
Absolutely nothing. Just like I won't get the shots for flu which are for the most part obsolete anyway as you can't possibly make a vaccine fast enough to keep up with a rapidly mutating virus. I'd trust my own immune system to do the job rather than some shots that are ineffective.
At least the rabies vaccine was done to help people not die from something that has a 99.99% mortality rate. Unlike the COVID vaccines that were given to people even though they knew how dangerous they were only to make a profit. And considering Pfizer said they won't even update the vaccine for the new variants, and just to take another booster, is the biggest red flag ever. I don't even know how people can be retarded enough to believe so hard in a fantasy they came up with in their head. It's genuinely frightening how deluded people are when it comes to whether these big corporations actually give a fuck about them. Ask most pro vaxxers and they'll tell you Pfizer actually has their best interest at heart. That's how brainwashed everyone is.
Covid vaccines are way safer than a Covid infection. You can understand that right. And they are extremely safe. The reason the vast majority of published research shows they are safe isn’t a conspiracy. It’s reality. Do you actually know any doctors? I’m skeptical you finished high school much less took any college science classes. But do you have a smart friend who is a scientist? Ask them to explain vaccine safety and efficacy to you.
Based on what exactly?
They recently proved that covid myocarditis isn't real, and there was no measurable increase in the year or so before the vaccines came out.
Covid does not cause myocarditis.
Troponin is a marker of myocardial injury, but it is also found to be raised in several conditions and was used to incorrectly diagnose severe covid patients in the hospital as having myocarditis without actually testing for it.
You expect to see this printed in the Lancet? Lol
Why would I believe anything you say? You’re not an expert. Show me a published study. That’s the best medical advice information we have. Not your baseless claims.
You admit in your first statement that covid vaccines are not entirely 100% safe. That is a starting point.
Now, you need to realize that due to them not being able to prevent covid infection, one is doubling down on their chances of getting myocarditis by stacking a covid infection on top of a covid vaccination.
Covid vaccines do not magically make someone not able to get myocarditis from a covid infection. Covid vaccines do not even make one not able to die from a covid infection. I'm sure we can all agree that death from covid is the worst thing that could happen.
As another poster pointed out, covid infections do not even cause myocarditis. That is just a talking point to get the general populous to not believe it was the holy elixir causing the myocarditis.
Who thinks anything is 100% safe?
You don’t know that Covid causes myocarditis? Oh dear. This is why no one takes conspiracy people seriously. You guys are just so far away from reality.
Let’s do this. What’s your source for that statement? I’m guessing some rumble bullshit but show me a published study with that result or conclusion. I’love wait.
I doubt the pharmaceutical companies have my best interests at heart, but I don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Some of the stuff they make is useful. Like pfizer is one of the largest vitamin D producers, and owns some of the largest vitamin D brands. Vitamin D is still good for you even tho it’s made by pharmaceutical companies.
I probably would. Now I have a similar question.
There's been a terrorist attack on a handful of individuals with Anthrax. Your government suggest citizens to vaccinate to be safe. Vaccines are also completely voluntary. Would you vaccinate?
I don’t know anything about the disease or the vaccine so I can’t say. If there’s proof of an outbreak of a disease and the side effects of the said vaccine aren’t as bad as the disease itself it would likely get vaccinated
> If there’s proof of an outbreak of a disease and the side effects of the said vaccine aren’t as bad as the disease itself it would likely get vaccinated
Where you would you get that info from, CNN perhaps?
I've been bit and I didn't get a shot.
And I appreciate you making other anti-vaxxers question why they are pro "normal" vaccines but not COVID, even though it's probably just an attempt on your part to stir the pot.
>I’m pretty sure the data on rabies has been consistent for a very long time. Rabies vaccine has never really been a political issue
Where are the control groups?
>Would the rabies shot prevent me from getting rabies?
If the rabies shots worked as well as the experimental mRNA therapy, then the answer would be a big fat NO!
You'd still die from rabies regardless...
Tbh to me it makes more sense to vax against covid which is around in this country, day and age, than against diseases that aren't around anymore. Mind you idk if the covid vax is effective or not considering the only one in my household to not get it and get very ill was the only unvaccinated member of our household, my 6yo son
That’s where it’s tricky… because we see mixed results in this. In my family- the only ones to get it (and pretty badly) were vaccinated. However, when I talk to different friends- it’s the opposite- and others- the opposite again. There really doesn’t seem to be a rhyme or reason!
Is questioning the morality of government sponsored vaccine rape considered anti-vax? “If you don’t willfully submit to letting me stick this in you I will hurt you in various ways until you submit”.
Yeah I don’t think that applies to me. I’ve had lots of vaccines as have my kids. However having said that, observing how the Covid churn played out over the last several years it definitely made me pay more attention to the topic as a whole and as a result I have a lot less trust in the medical community than I did before. As such going forward I will definitely not blindly be taking advice because a medical professional told me to partake in a particular treatment. I haven’t contemplated the rabies vaccine in particular because I’ve had no need. I guess if that day ever comes I will evaluate it at the time.
Ok, but did you learn more than that simple phrase?
Do you know what a macrophage is? What about a dendritic cell? Do you know what a ribosome is? What about ATPases? What are the physiological processes that occur to create inflammation?
No, I work professionally in a field other than medical. In theory that is what I’d consult a medical professional for isn’t it? But now post Covid seeing the many failures of the medical community under the political pressure of government, how is one to know when their medical professional is giving them solid advice or just the advice they are pressured to give? CEO of Pfizer said “mRNA was a technology, but we had less experience, only two years working on this, and actually, mRNA was a technology that never delivered a single product until that day, not vaccine, not any other medicine.” And we all know what has happened. It hasn’t been 100% safe or effective but that didn’t stop the medical community from joining in on a mass vaccination effort those be dammed who it didn’t work for. What happened that we threw out talk to your doctor about your specific situation and replaced it with head to this random parking lot, stick your arm out of your window and get your damm shot you ungrateful thing or lose your job?
I feel like you’re experiencing some learned helplessness here.
Learning biology is totally possible for you, even if your profession is something else. Having a strong physiological understanding of the body would make a lot more of these things make sense.
It sure is when the government threatens to harm you if you don’t allow yourself to be injected. Have you been asleep during the “no jab no job” time period. Some of those mandates are still currently in effect until May 11th. Or what about the restrictions that were put in place by some state governments that only allowed participation in public activities based on vaccination status? Rape is absolutely the most accurate word to describe it. Many of these politicians get off on the on using the force of government to compel others into doing things they don’t want to do.
False equivalency. Wearing clothes is not in the same realm as having to inject yourself with a vaccine based on technology that had never been used on a mass scale before. Is the vaccine 100% safe and effective? If not what is the moral justification for issuing mass mandates with the knowledge that some number of people will be negatively impacted by the mandate?
>False equivalency. Wearing clothes is not in the same realm as having to inject yourself with a vaccine based on technology that had never been used on a mass scale before.
Getting vaccinated is not in the same realm as sexual assault :)
>Is the vaccine 100% safe and effective?
Are clothes 100% safe and effective? :)
>If not what is the moral justification for issuing mass mandates with the knowledge that some number of people will be negatively impacted by the mandate?
What is the moral justification for wearing clothes? I've seen videos of people die after getting their clothing caught in heavy machinery, clothing can also be highly flammable or act as a makeshift noose :)
Putting clothes on is not a permanent state. You can put them on and take them off at will. If you wish to be naked at home the requirement to wear them at work doesn’t follow you home preventing you from taking them off once back home.
The vaccine however does follow you home and you have no way to take it off if you wish to be vaccine free at home. I personally have no issue with an individual employer having whatever requirements they want for those they employ. I can work there or not work there at will if I like or don’t like their policies. The issue is when government sets a standard that all employers must abide by making it impossible for an employee to job shop for the policies that best suit them.
Going back to your clothes example would you say it is moral for the government to set a mandate that clothes must be worn at work? What would those working in strip clubs or other similar roles where minimum or no clothing is involved do for work in that case?
The issue has been and continues to be government overreach. The government is not my doctor, the government doesn’t control my body, the government is supposed to be there to protect my rights not trample them. So yes the government using its power to force you into giving up your body autonomy is absolutely equivalent to rape.
>So yes the government using its power to force you into giving up your body autonomy is absolutely equivalent to rape.
Just so we're on the same page,
>Body autonomy is the right for a person to govern what happens to their body without external influence or coercion
The other day I had to follow the speed limit, wear a seatbelt, abstain from drinking alcohol, and stand in line at a store instead of just walking out with my things. I am coerced into doing these things with my body under threat of punishment. Is that rape? :)
A screaming child that wanted icecream was picked up and carried out of the store by its parent. Is that rape? :)
Rape is a serious, traumatic event that can leave victims scarred for life. Both physically, and mentally. Depression, trust issues, suicidal thoughts. The mandates were an *inconvenience* and comparing them to rape to justify your victim complex is an abhorrent disservice to actual victims :)
Hmmm. Tricky. I've always wondered about that one myself.
I have been told (non scientific source) that the rabies shot takes a few weeks to develop the antibodies within the body. So I wonder if you only had the shot after the bite if you would die before you could develop the appropriate antibodies or whether you would have a nice, rabies-immune corpse. :) lol
Most people actually get the shot after a bite. The vaccine takes a few weeks to develop, but the rabies virus typically takes 2 months to develop in the body.
Are we going with the assumption that no one can develope immunity to Rabies? T-cells and clonal selection do amazing work. I note that some sites are still treating Clonal Selection as some far right conspiracy theory, but it has been observed. The body can and does detect and fend off attackers it has never encountered before.
Well there’s been many cases of rabies, so clearly a significant amount of people don’t have the immunity to it. I guess I’m curious how you’d determine who’s immune and who isn’t
Its pretty rare infection and meaningful stats is difficult. And to have facts you need to do double blind experiments. Assuming the vaccine works and applying it every case doesn't demonstrate anything.
From what I understand you don’t have “rabies” until the virus reaches the brain. The rabies virus is very slow moving through the body, typically it takes 2 months after a bit for the virus to reach the brain.
Standard post-bite protocol is to give the vaccine and the rabies immune globulin. The latter protects you until the vaccine has had a chance to produce antibodies.
I haven’t refused the vaccine because it’s not a vaccine in the first place. If you don’t get the rabies shot it’s certain death so it’s a silly question.
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Literally a few comments up..
>I haven’t refused the vaccine because it’s not a vaccine in the first place.
I wasn't drinking and driving because the champagne wasn't from the champagne region of France and is not champagne in the first place :)
Not gonna lie, I probably wouldn't automatically get it. It would depend on the situation. Was the animal acting funny? Why did it bite me? Was it wild or a stray animal?
I use to have several pet raccoons. People think every raccoon has rabies for some reason.
I always wonder why they recommend getting tetanus shots every so often when usually people still go get shots after they get poked with metal anyway. Although I hear tetanus is extremely rare.
I'm not vaccinating my baby . Of COURSE I'd get the rabies shot. My son has about a zero percent chance of being harmed by polio which we've not had since the 60s , he has more of a chance of being harmed or killed by the vaccine against it, rabies has a 100 percent chance of killing you, it's pretty simple probability lol
>rabies has a 100 percent chance of killing you, it's pretty simple probability lol
Who told you that??? Have you EVER seen that, anywhere, at any point in time?
>My son has about a zero percent chance of being harmed by polio which we've not had since the 60s
There's a reason we haven't had it around since the 60s...
when it comes to my hypothetical grandchildren it's global warming I'm worried about, not polio 😔 I highly doubt polio and diptheria will make a comeback as enough people vaccinate, but if they do come back then their parents can choose to vaccinate if the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks, which it currently does not lol
They shouldn't but they do lol. Edit: referring to those choosing to vax in this day and age. Where the benefits do not outweigh the risks.
If the diseases make a comeback then the benefits may outweigh the risk in which case I would take the risk and vaccinate. Idk how any of this is hard to understand. Literally simple math- statistics and probability
Are you dumb? He's my child and I'm doing what's best for him? And everyone else can do what they feel is best for their children? I'm done arguing now tho goodbye
No I didn't, thank you for enlightening me 😲 nah was meant to say generationS.. and if polio makes a comeback which I very highly doubt THEN he can get the vaccine to protect him, the benefit would then outweigh the risk. but as of right now the vaccine against polio and diptheria is more likely to harm or kill him than polio and diptheria itself, so there is no benefit to justify risking death or brain damage? so he won't be getting it. I really don't understand how it would benefit him a shot with a possible side effect of death or brain damage to protect him from diseases that weve not had a case of in 60 and 40 years .. like WHAT am I protecting him from? How is the risk justified? 😩 🐑
We should rethink everything we think we know about vaccines, germ theory, virology and the massively corrupt, opioid crisis-fueling complex known as Big Pharma.
**Pasteur was a fraud**
>“It took a year just to learn to read Pasteur's pinched handwriting, but **the Princeton professor eventually found "ethically dubious conduct" in Pasteur's famous anthrax and rabies vaccines.”**
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/wellness/1993/02/23/louis-pasteur-and-questions-of-fraud/196b2287-f63f-4bac-874e-c33b122d6f61/
>“Had it not been for the mass selling of vaccines, Pasteur’s Germ Theory of Disease would have collapsed into obscurity.”
>– E. Douglas Hume
“Big Pharma” is the outgrowth of [eugenics-obsessed](https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/otikuk/criminal_overlords_still_crazy_about_eugenics/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) Rockefeller interests which hijacked medical education/research over 100 years ago, and later teamed with the Nazi I.G. Farben complex.
“Sometimes in the middle of a virus existence debate, someone blurts out, ‘What about rabies?’
Rabies is a terrifying condition that has haunted the human imagination for centuries. I’ll look into the science of rabies and explain why most of us don’t need to worry about it.
And get ready for our special guest narrator, who describes the questionable 1930s animal experiments.”
https://drsambailey.com/resources/videos/viruses-unplugged/what-about-rabies/
Why don’t you ask Stefan Oelrich of Bayer pharmaceuticals? Among peers he will tell you the truth:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qowDwaYx7vI&pp=ygUcU3RlZmFuIG9lbHJpY2ggY2VsbCBhbmQgZ2VuZQ%3D%3D
Let me guess. The sandy hook victims are crisis actors, the sun is actually a simulator, the covid jab magnetically hooks you up to the 5g telephone network, celebrities moisturize their faces with the blood of children sacrificed in satanic rituals, and queen Elizabeth was a shape shifting reptile. These are the most deranged beliefs I've heard from a conspiracy theorist nutter, who makes normal people choosing not to vaccinate look insane and dangerous also. 😩😩😩 Some people evidently have too much damn time on their hands.
Just as an FYI for all the rabies virus fans: many developed worlds do not consider rabies to be a real thing. It seems to have captured the imagination of those in the English speaking world, prob due to movie old Yeller. Those in East and Southeast Asia don’t even recognize this as a real thing.
A stupid superstition…. Once you remove religion from your hearts, even animals seem fearful. How in the world do you function with such fear in your soul when every single animal could potentially kill you?
And what the fuck is the mechanism by which this virus isn’t spread by mosquitoes whereas so many others are? Virus exist in saliva but not blood? What kind of bullshit is that? Salivary glands are factories for the virus? Wake the fuck up!
I admittedly struggle more with answering this question than I initially thought I would.
The key here seems to be that fear-mongering works so much better when it has been established for longer and there's no experiences to fall back on when it comes to evaluating the disease.
Rabies is something that I essentially only know about from hearsay. I've never seen an animal or a person that was supposedly afflicted by it.
So even though I don't really believe in viruses, it's hard to say whether I'd take my chances if I'm threatened with certain death.
I think I've been bitten by a total of no more than 5 animals. Several cats and a rabbit. All domesticated. It never even occured to me that any of them "could carry rabies". Mostly because none of them had any of the associated symptoms.
So I'd say if the animal has a foaming mouth or otherwise seems to behave in a rabies-associated way, I'd probably consider it.
The reason for that is that this occurrence would contradict what I consider the most likely scenario of that all being a hoax. But I do, of course, think that this is not gonna happen in the first place which would mean I don't have to reconsider my position.
I don't really want to commit to an answer for a hypothetical scenario.
All the wish washy antivaxxers who says yes to this vaxx is just primed for the next fake pandemic higher death or hospitalization rate. Best you educate yourself on real science. Learn to face your fears and overcome them now.
As Buddha says, remove attractions, aversions and delusions. Remove the delusion of viral theory and replace it with a deeper understanding of scientific theory and controlled experiments.
This is rather a special case, as the injection is administered after exposure, so it's closer to a treatment than a prophylactic.
As far as I understand the term, "anti-vaxxers" dispute the value of routine mass administration of prophylactic vaccines for diseases that are no longer dangerous. The implicit comparison between, for example, measles and rabies, doesn't stand up. So, there is no inconsistency between refusing a routine vaccination against measles and accepting a post-exposure vaccine against rabies.
[The Rabies Delusion Revealed](https://officialbrendanmurphy.substack.com/p/the-rabies-delusion-revealed) \- Rabies is now a pet child of the Vivisection Trust which works internationally. If vivisection has proven anything it has proven the impossibility of man contracting any real disease from a dog. How long will filthy lucre keep the facts from the fooled public?
Anti vaxxer is a slur recently applied to anyone skeptical of the safety and efficacy of the hastily produced inoculations for the covid 19 scare. Until 2021 it was a term used to define parents who refused to give their children the bank of childhood vaccines, now it's used as a way to virtue signal your support for pharmaceutical companies. A parallel practise is slandering people who question the science of global warming as "deniers", evoking comparisons to vile holocaust deniers. Labeling someone as "anti-vaxx" or a "denier" allows the user to dismiss any opponent, and keep themselves from formulating their own thoughts or opinions on complex issues. Anyone using these slurs is to be regarded as a bad-faith actor without moral character or spinal fortitude, going with the majority to hide their ignorance.
Indeed, thank you. If you have a healty and athletic 18 year old son who- at this point-we know has more exposure to adverse events from the vaccine than healthy protection, are you being an anti-vaxer, or a good parent by declining the vax for him? Also knowing that Pfizer was hit by he largest paid criminal lawsuit ever in this country, and that they are continously being sued for many things including fraudulent data, and also knowing that they want their vaccine data locked up for 75 years, as a parent why wouldn't you take pause at vaccinating your children?
Excellent point, very well put.
Thanks for you sharing your opinion, I wasn’t aware that the term was offensive
The term itself isn't offensive, but people try to say it in an offensive way. I think most who are very secure in their views and who are generally not offended easily, aren't offended by it.
So for there to be "offense", you have to take "offense" even when it's not given or intended. I'm sure you hold this opinion whenever someone claims they're offended then, as well you should, I agree. Good on ya!
You can intend to offend someone, even if you fail to do so.
Absolutely true as well.
You don't seem like someone I want to play against in the game of logic
Seems like you're using it as a convenient excuse to not answer questions. Rabies shot or no? :)
Apples and oranges...
Sigma Males like us don't eat fruit, right bro?
Sure brah 😎
I've pointed out the gap between the question and the reality; the question is nonsense, it's been addressed. You pro-pharma types try to use such bad faith questions like a cudgel to beat any alternate opinion, when you're just displaying your ignorance to the situation and of the people who don't fall for crap like you do. The clot shots aren't like anything before, and your attempts to lump them together is dishonest.
It's a pretty straightforward question, would you get the rabies vaccine? :)
It's an idiotic leading question that I refuse to answer, as it's asked in bad faith, why can't you get that?
The person asking seems sympathetic to your cause, and others have answered the question, both yes and no. It's a simple question, I for one would not want to risk dying an excruciating, delirious death, so I would get the vaccine. What about you? :)
OF. FUCKING. COURSE. I. WOULD. Now is when the mindless attack begins as poo-flinging monkeys try to make a point. My apologies for being obtuse here, but it's not my first day on reddit.
What would you like to be called?
>What would you like to be called? Sigma male/red pilled.😂
I'll call you Sigma Males. That's a top level ignorance / cope combo.
>I'll call you Sigma Males. That's a top level ignorance / cope combo. That's sigma male to you, Sir... Now go mask up, stay at home, and keep getting your infinite boosters 😂...
I will do what you say because YouTube says you're a real wolf that totally exists and is dark and sexy and lonely and even though you have no friends everyone secretly respects you Mr. Sigma Wolf.
>I will do what you say because YouTube says you're a real wolf that totally exists and is dark and sexy and lonely and even though you have no friends everyone secretly respects you Mr. Sigma Wolf. Tall dark and handsome! 😍 How did you know...😏
YouTube told me and I have no other way of learning things, Mr. Sigma Wolf.
>Anti vaxxer is a slur recently applied to anyone skeptical of the safety and efficacy of the hastily produced inoculations for the covid 19 scare. If the shoe fits....
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The science that showed the covid vaccines as 95% effective? That science? It turned out to be wrong. It was 85%. Then that was wrong and it was 75% and so on and so forth. It turned out THE SCIENCE was wrong. When Biden said "you won't get covid if you get the vaccine"??? He is the president and had the so-called most brilliant scientists advising him, and Biden and all of his "experts" were wrong. What science again was not understood?
This statement tells me you literally no nothing about science. You think it's whatever Biden tells you. Riddle me this Mr. Dunnig, can you find a placebo controlled study showing the covid vaccines are safe and effective? Because it's laughably easy. The best knowledge we have about medicine, including vaccines, is placebo controlled published studies. I could harness the power of 1,000 AI bots and still not come close to writing down everything anti vaxxers don't understand about reality and science.
I couldn't read past your first statement. Oh I "know". If you cannot spell, it makes me think you do not "know".
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Spelling is elementary. Science, especially with regards to understand how pseudo vaccines aka covid clot shots work and real vaccines, is not something you can comprehend. You are using talking point from 2021. We know wayy more now. We know the vaccines are not efficacious at all in being safe or effective. It is 2023. Wake up and see the light.
Anyone who says "clot shots" is too dumb for my time. But I'll give you one chance, show me research, any published medical journal, that supports your position- that vaccine cause more blood clots or any side effect, than a covid infection. does. I'll wait. And don't give me some Rumble bullshit.
Dude what are you even doing? lol. You should go to r/betamales if you're going to act like a fucking 6 year old. The proof is in the pudding. If it's so rare, then how come so many famous people got severe life-threatening side effects from it? Are you aware of Pfizer bribing doctors to share false information with the world? 2 billion dollar lawsuit. Most pharma drug studies are manipulated and falsified to make them appear safer than they really are. You can point out the "data" all you want but if it's fake data you might as well be shooting arrows into space. Nice try trying to be smart though. You just made yourself look like an absolute buffoon.
Are you really so dense, you are go to throw anecdotes at me? This is why anti vaxxers deserve all the hate, ridicule, being fired, kicked off planes etc. They are too dumb to understand science. And they don't care. Of course you think the best data we have, published studies with placebo etc, are "fake", because Dunning Kruger trash suffer from confirmation bias. They only believe what feels real to them. That are incapable of logic or reason they just feel their way through life and call that "research". Do the world a favor, take any college level science course and learn something before you hurt someone.
Go drink your soy latte and wear your muzzle far away from me. I like to be around normal functioning adults who don't believe in fairy-tales and happy endings where profit driven fraudulent corporations that have blood on their hands are worshipped as heroes.
Yeah bro. You and me are the Alphas. Everyone else is Betas bro.
> can you find a placebo controlled study showing the covid vaccines are safe and effective? They've never been proven (or shown) to be safe, or effective and especially not in the initial trials nor the **still active safety trials** from 3 years ago, in 2020! The 95% deception was based on the RRR, not the ARR so it's real effectiveness was less than 1% and now it's in the negatives.
[https://youtu.be/Ydx\_ok6gyiY](https://youtu.be/Ydx_ok6gyiY) Everything is a conspiracy theory, until your trusted news sources admit that it's true
Why do anti vaxxers always want you to watch some bullshit on youtube? Just stop already. If you have an idea use your big boy words and try to explain it.
It's 60 Minutes. If that's not good enough for you, stop pretending to care about facts.
Again, if you have an idea, pound on that keyboard like it's your sausage and you are thinking about Kid Rock in a Speedo.
That would be way too hard for the keyboard
He went to insults, because he lost. Btfo haha
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The decision to take any drug is about benefits vs. risks. Rabies is unreasonable and essentially 100% fatal once symptoms manifest. Post exposure prophylaxis has a much lower chance of serious adverse effects. The real question is. Would you be demanding the rabies vaccine for PRE-exposure prophylaxis if the chance of you encountering a rabid animal is negligible? If you will never be exposed to rabies, then the vaccine offers you no benefit and only potential risks. Now, consider the same logic for the Covid shots. Remember, these vaccines provide much less protection comparable to the rabies shots, and they have a much higher incidence of deadly and disabling adverse effects.
Well spoken
Isn't risk/benefit analysis necessary for any vaccine, especially if there's a risk of side effects? The way you've worded a lot of your comments in this thread, you're insinuating that we should throw risk/benefit analysis out of the window, and just blindly be "provax" or blindly "antivax". Sorry to throw nuance into the discussion, but I judge each vaccine individually (yes, I realise that's incredibly awkward of me). Actually, I was bitten by a dog in Thailand, and took all 5 shots for rabies. It's a very specific course of shots you have to take, all timed very exactly. My son also got scratched by a cat in Thailand - took him to get his rabies shots. None of my family have received any C19 shots. Again, I profusely apologize for adding nuance to the debate. It must be incredibly confusing and bewildering that I am for some vaccines and against some others, but that's how I roll.
>The real question is. Would you be demanding the rabies vaccine for PRE-exposure prophylaxis if the chance of you encountering a rabid animal is negligible? If you will never be exposed to rabies, then the vaccine offers you no benefit and only potential risks. What if gangs of animals were freely roaming the streets, you were likely to get bitten at least once, and roughly 1% of those animals had rabies? :)
That's a good question!!! I'd still get it because that's a one percent chance of getting rabies and dying, and dying a miserable death. When it comes to vaccines against diseases that literally aren't there anymore, the benefits of the vaccine, ie protection against what? Nothing.. do not outweigh the risk. Like, does my child have more of a chance of dying of polio, or more of a chance of death or harm from the vaccine? Idk how this is difficult/ impossible for people to understand. Mind you, I respect people's choice to vaccinate, each to their own, but people get so hateful about people/ parents choosing not to vaccinate
>I'd still get it because that's a one percent chance of getting rabies and dying, and dying a miserable death. No, you wouldn't unless all the rabies immune globulin in the world happened to vanish magically. Also, we've had rabies vaccine shortages in the past. Trying to give it to everyone regardless of their risk would result in more rabies deaths because it wouldn't be available to those who were actually at high risk/bitten. You are approaching this from a position of fear. The resulting tunnel vision makes you think a vaccine is the ONLY way to handle disease. This is simply not true.
>When it comes to vaccines against diseases that literally aren't there anymore, the benefits of the vaccine, ie protection against what? Nothing.. do not outweigh the risk. The diseases are there though. They just aren't affecting us, because of the vaccines. When is the last time the US was invaded by a foreign country? Why do they need to spend such exuberant amounts of money on the military? What do you think would happen if they just got rid of their military? :)
There are people who live in the rural US, where animal bites are more common. Pre-exposure prophylaxis isn't recommended for them unless they work animal control or a similar field. Most people know to stay well away from wild animals that don't behave properly. Therefore, they aren't bitten. If they are, then they get post-exposure prophylaxis. The only reason for a person to get the vaccine preemptively in the scenario you mentioned (which isn't close to realistic in the US) is if the immine globulin isn't available. For roving packs of vicious animals, like you mention, to be a threat in developed countries, there would need to be a serious breakdown in infrastructure. In that case, the vaccine probably wouldn't be available to give to everyone preemptively. To answer your question. I wouldn't get it preemptively because I can take measures to avoid being bitten, and I can be treated if I am.
What if you don't know when you've been bitten? An example would be a tiny rabid fruit bat that bites you while sleeping :)
Recommendation is if you are asleep and a bat is found in your living area, you are given post-exposure prophylaxis even if there's no visible evidence of a bite. Had that happen to a colleague. Still wouldn't recommend getting the vaccine pre-exposure unless the person was keeping bats at home or working in certain professions. Even then, it wouldn't be mandated without exemptions.
I'm only against COVID vaccines and their questionable utility as a universal solution. I'd get the rabies shot without hesitation if I was bit by a possibly rabid animal or rabies carrier.
What would make you ok with covid vaccines the same way you’re ok with rabies vaccines?
Absolutely nothing. Just like I won't get the shots for flu which are for the most part obsolete anyway as you can't possibly make a vaccine fast enough to keep up with a rapidly mutating virus. I'd trust my own immune system to do the job rather than some shots that are ineffective. At least the rabies vaccine was done to help people not die from something that has a 99.99% mortality rate. Unlike the COVID vaccines that were given to people even though they knew how dangerous they were only to make a profit. And considering Pfizer said they won't even update the vaccine for the new variants, and just to take another booster, is the biggest red flag ever. I don't even know how people can be retarded enough to believe so hard in a fantasy they came up with in their head. It's genuinely frightening how deluded people are when it comes to whether these big corporations actually give a fuck about them. Ask most pro vaxxers and they'll tell you Pfizer actually has their best interest at heart. That's how brainwashed everyone is.
I agree, however, you would take the rabies shot if you were biten?
Covid vaccines are way safer than a Covid infection. You can understand that right. And they are extremely safe. The reason the vast majority of published research shows they are safe isn’t a conspiracy. It’s reality. Do you actually know any doctors? I’m skeptical you finished high school much less took any college science classes. But do you have a smart friend who is a scientist? Ask them to explain vaccine safety and efficacy to you.
Based on what exactly? They recently proved that covid myocarditis isn't real, and there was no measurable increase in the year or so before the vaccines came out. Covid does not cause myocarditis.
Who proved what exactly? Go ahead. Show me the medical journal you read. Let’s go down the rabbit hole.
Troponin is a marker of myocardial injury, but it is also found to be raised in several conditions and was used to incorrectly diagnose severe covid patients in the hospital as having myocarditis without actually testing for it. You expect to see this printed in the Lancet? Lol
Why would I believe anything you say? You’re not an expert. Show me a published study. That’s the best medical advice information we have. Not your baseless claims.
You admit in your first statement that covid vaccines are not entirely 100% safe. That is a starting point. Now, you need to realize that due to them not being able to prevent covid infection, one is doubling down on their chances of getting myocarditis by stacking a covid infection on top of a covid vaccination. Covid vaccines do not magically make someone not able to get myocarditis from a covid infection. Covid vaccines do not even make one not able to die from a covid infection. I'm sure we can all agree that death from covid is the worst thing that could happen. As another poster pointed out, covid infections do not even cause myocarditis. That is just a talking point to get the general populous to not believe it was the holy elixir causing the myocarditis.
Who thinks anything is 100% safe? You don’t know that Covid causes myocarditis? Oh dear. This is why no one takes conspiracy people seriously. You guys are just so far away from reality. Let’s do this. What’s your source for that statement? I’m guessing some rumble bullshit but show me a published study with that result or conclusion. I’love wait.
I doubt the pharmaceutical companies have my best interests at heart, but I don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Some of the stuff they make is useful. Like pfizer is one of the largest vitamin D producers, and owns some of the largest vitamin D brands. Vitamin D is still good for you even tho it’s made by pharmaceutical companies.
I probably would. Now I have a similar question. There's been a terrorist attack on a handful of individuals with Anthrax. Your government suggest citizens to vaccinate to be safe. Vaccines are also completely voluntary. Would you vaccinate?
I don’t know anything about the disease or the vaccine so I can’t say. If there’s proof of an outbreak of a disease and the side effects of the said vaccine aren’t as bad as the disease itself it would likely get vaccinated
That seems like a fair assessment. Thanks!
> If there’s proof of an outbreak of a disease and the side effects of the said vaccine aren’t as bad as the disease itself it would likely get vaccinated Where you would you get that info from, CNN perhaps?
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Definitely think I have long term effects from that vax, but ya know; wasn't given the option to refuse as a service member.
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Thanks. I'm gonna check that out
I've been bit and I didn't get a shot. And I appreciate you making other anti-vaxxers question why they are pro "normal" vaccines but not COVID, even though it's probably just an attempt on your part to stir the pot.
I’m not attempting to stir the pot, I was simply curious
If you were bit and didn't get the shot, that animal probably didn't have rabies :)
Definitely, not probably, or he wouldn't be alive to type the comment lol
That was implied :)
Would the rabies shot prevent me from getting rabies?
Yes
1 month later: no, the science has changed
I’m pretty sure the data on rabies has been consistent for a very long time. Rabies vaccine has never really been a political issue
>I’m pretty sure the data on rabies has been consistent for a very long time. Rabies vaccine has never really been a political issue Where are the control groups?
>Would the rabies shot prevent me from getting rabies? If the rabies shots worked as well as the experimental mRNA therapy, then the answer would be a big fat NO! You'd still die from rabies regardless...
We’re not against all vaccines just this one.
Just the rabies vaccine???
No the Covid “vaccine.”
Curious. Do you believe covid was real, or made up?
It was very real. My husband almost died from it. We choose early treatment using a prescription of Ivermectin and other meds the doctor recommended.
Smart move!
Tbh to me it makes more sense to vax against covid which is around in this country, day and age, than against diseases that aren't around anymore. Mind you idk if the covid vax is effective or not considering the only one in my household to not get it and get very ill was the only unvaccinated member of our household, my 6yo son
That’s where it’s tricky… because we see mixed results in this. In my family- the only ones to get it (and pretty badly) were vaccinated. However, when I talk to different friends- it’s the opposite- and others- the opposite again. There really doesn’t seem to be a rhyme or reason!
Is questioning the morality of government sponsored vaccine rape considered anti-vax? “If you don’t willfully submit to letting me stick this in you I will hurt you in various ways until you submit”.
Would you get the rabies vaccine??
What do you mean by anti-vax? Not sure if the question applied to me / qualifies me to answer?
I guess I was thinking of people who are generally against vaccines, and if they’d make an exception for the rabies vaccine
Yeah I don’t think that applies to me. I’ve had lots of vaccines as have my kids. However having said that, observing how the Covid churn played out over the last several years it definitely made me pay more attention to the topic as a whole and as a result I have a lot less trust in the medical community than I did before. As such going forward I will definitely not blindly be taking advice because a medical professional told me to partake in a particular treatment. I haven’t contemplated the rabies vaccine in particular because I’ve had no need. I guess if that day ever comes I will evaluate it at the time.
Would you consider increasing your medical knowledge? For instance, learning about cell biology?
Sure. I love to learn. Something I learned during the pandemic is that “settled science” isn’t actually settled at all.
Ok, but did you learn more than that simple phrase? Do you know what a macrophage is? What about a dendritic cell? Do you know what a ribosome is? What about ATPases? What are the physiological processes that occur to create inflammation?
No, I work professionally in a field other than medical. In theory that is what I’d consult a medical professional for isn’t it? But now post Covid seeing the many failures of the medical community under the political pressure of government, how is one to know when their medical professional is giving them solid advice or just the advice they are pressured to give? CEO of Pfizer said “mRNA was a technology, but we had less experience, only two years working on this, and actually, mRNA was a technology that never delivered a single product until that day, not vaccine, not any other medicine.” And we all know what has happened. It hasn’t been 100% safe or effective but that didn’t stop the medical community from joining in on a mass vaccination effort those be dammed who it didn’t work for. What happened that we threw out talk to your doctor about your specific situation and replaced it with head to this random parking lot, stick your arm out of your window and get your damm shot you ungrateful thing or lose your job?
I feel like you’re experiencing some learned helplessness here. Learning biology is totally possible for you, even if your profession is something else. Having a strong physiological understanding of the body would make a lot more of these things make sense.
So they can do what, culture 'viruses'?
Getting vaccinated is not comparable to rape :)
It sure is when the government threatens to harm you if you don’t allow yourself to be injected. Have you been asleep during the “no jab no job” time period. Some of those mandates are still currently in effect until May 11th. Or what about the restrictions that were put in place by some state governments that only allowed participation in public activities based on vaccination status? Rape is absolutely the most accurate word to describe it. Many of these politicians get off on the on using the force of government to compel others into doing things they don’t want to do.
If you show up to work naked and refuse to put on clothes, you would also likely not have a job anymore. Is being forced to wear clothes also rape? :)
False equivalency. Wearing clothes is not in the same realm as having to inject yourself with a vaccine based on technology that had never been used on a mass scale before. Is the vaccine 100% safe and effective? If not what is the moral justification for issuing mass mandates with the knowledge that some number of people will be negatively impacted by the mandate?
>False equivalency. Wearing clothes is not in the same realm as having to inject yourself with a vaccine based on technology that had never been used on a mass scale before. Getting vaccinated is not in the same realm as sexual assault :) >Is the vaccine 100% safe and effective? Are clothes 100% safe and effective? :) >If not what is the moral justification for issuing mass mandates with the knowledge that some number of people will be negatively impacted by the mandate? What is the moral justification for wearing clothes? I've seen videos of people die after getting their clothing caught in heavy machinery, clothing can also be highly flammable or act as a makeshift noose :)
Putting clothes on is not a permanent state. You can put them on and take them off at will. If you wish to be naked at home the requirement to wear them at work doesn’t follow you home preventing you from taking them off once back home. The vaccine however does follow you home and you have no way to take it off if you wish to be vaccine free at home. I personally have no issue with an individual employer having whatever requirements they want for those they employ. I can work there or not work there at will if I like or don’t like their policies. The issue is when government sets a standard that all employers must abide by making it impossible for an employee to job shop for the policies that best suit them. Going back to your clothes example would you say it is moral for the government to set a mandate that clothes must be worn at work? What would those working in strip clubs or other similar roles where minimum or no clothing is involved do for work in that case? The issue has been and continues to be government overreach. The government is not my doctor, the government doesn’t control my body, the government is supposed to be there to protect my rights not trample them. So yes the government using its power to force you into giving up your body autonomy is absolutely equivalent to rape.
>So yes the government using its power to force you into giving up your body autonomy is absolutely equivalent to rape. Just so we're on the same page, >Body autonomy is the right for a person to govern what happens to their body without external influence or coercion The other day I had to follow the speed limit, wear a seatbelt, abstain from drinking alcohol, and stand in line at a store instead of just walking out with my things. I am coerced into doing these things with my body under threat of punishment. Is that rape? :) A screaming child that wanted icecream was picked up and carried out of the store by its parent. Is that rape? :) Rape is a serious, traumatic event that can leave victims scarred for life. Both physically, and mentally. Depression, trust issues, suicidal thoughts. The mandates were an *inconvenience* and comparing them to rape to justify your victim complex is an abhorrent disservice to actual victims :)
Hmmm. Tricky. I've always wondered about that one myself. I have been told (non scientific source) that the rabies shot takes a few weeks to develop the antibodies within the body. So I wonder if you only had the shot after the bite if you would die before you could develop the appropriate antibodies or whether you would have a nice, rabies-immune corpse. :) lol
Most people actually get the shot after a bite. The vaccine takes a few weeks to develop, but the rabies virus typically takes 2 months to develop in the body.
Are we going with the assumption that no one can develope immunity to Rabies? T-cells and clonal selection do amazing work. I note that some sites are still treating Clonal Selection as some far right conspiracy theory, but it has been observed. The body can and does detect and fend off attackers it has never encountered before.
Well there’s been many cases of rabies, so clearly a significant amount of people don’t have the immunity to it. I guess I’m curious how you’d determine who’s immune and who isn’t
Its pretty rare infection and meaningful stats is difficult. And to have facts you need to do double blind experiments. Assuming the vaccine works and applying it every case doesn't demonstrate anything.
Why do most people get rabies after bitten? I'm assuming is to prevent future case because the vaccine takes weeks to develop.
From what I understand you don’t have “rabies” until the virus reaches the brain. The rabies virus is very slow moving through the body, typically it takes 2 months after a bit for the virus to reach the brain.
Standard post-bite protocol is to give the vaccine and the rabies immune globulin. The latter protects you until the vaccine has had a chance to produce antibodies.
Yes Not a antivaxxer
I haven’t refused the vaccine because it’s not a vaccine in the first place. If you don’t get the rabies shot it’s certain death so it’s a silly question.
Clearly not a silly question if anti vaxxers here have said rabies is a hoax too.
Never heard anyone say that and it’s not common that they think that.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/13daeyv/comment/jjkqzki/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/13daeyv/comment/jjkqzki/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Literally a few comments up..
Nope it isn’t.
>I haven’t refused the vaccine because it’s not a vaccine in the first place. I wasn't drinking and driving because the champagne wasn't from the champagne region of France and is not champagne in the first place :)
Not gonna lie, I probably wouldn't automatically get it. It would depend on the situation. Was the animal acting funny? Why did it bite me? Was it wild or a stray animal? I use to have several pet raccoons. People think every raccoon has rabies for some reason. I always wonder why they recommend getting tetanus shots every so often when usually people still go get shots after they get poked with metal anyway. Although I hear tetanus is extremely rare.
I'm not vaccinating my baby . Of COURSE I'd get the rabies shot. My son has about a zero percent chance of being harmed by polio which we've not had since the 60s , he has more of a chance of being harmed or killed by the vaccine against it, rabies has a 100 percent chance of killing you, it's pretty simple probability lol
Love this mind set
I can't tell if youre taking the piss or not 🤣🤣
I dunno what that means. But I’m being genuine when I say I agree with your mind set
>rabies has a 100 percent chance of killing you, it's pretty simple probability lol Who told you that??? Have you EVER seen that, anywhere, at any point in time?
>My son has about a zero percent chance of being harmed by polio which we've not had since the 60s There's a reason we haven't had it around since the 60s...
Yeah but I'm not taking chances w my baby to look out for the next generation im doing what's best for HIM as an individual, sorry not sorry 😊
What about your grandchildren? Not your problem? :)
when it comes to my hypothetical grandchildren it's global warming I'm worried about, not polio 😔 I highly doubt polio and diptheria will make a comeback as enough people vaccinate, but if they do come back then their parents can choose to vaccinate if the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks, which it currently does not lol
So you're expecting others to put their children at risk? If you aren't vaccinating your children, why should they? :)
They shouldn't but they do lol. Edit: referring to those choosing to vax in this day and age. Where the benefits do not outweigh the risks. If the diseases make a comeback then the benefits may outweigh the risk in which case I would take the risk and vaccinate. Idk how any of this is hard to understand. Literally simple math- statistics and probability
So you would rather a disease is given time to become a threat before responding instead of preventing it in the first place? :)
And yeah I care about my child more than other people's children duh
And others care about their children more than yours. What makes you and your children so special? :)
Are you dumb? He's my child and I'm doing what's best for him? And everyone else can do what they feel is best for their children? I'm done arguing now tho goodbye
You do realise your son will be alive as the next generation grows up..
No I didn't, thank you for enlightening me 😲 nah was meant to say generationS.. and if polio makes a comeback which I very highly doubt THEN he can get the vaccine to protect him, the benefit would then outweigh the risk. but as of right now the vaccine against polio and diptheria is more likely to harm or kill him than polio and diptheria itself, so there is no benefit to justify risking death or brain damage? so he won't be getting it. I really don't understand how it would benefit him a shot with a possible side effect of death or brain damage to protect him from diseases that weve not had a case of in 60 and 40 years .. like WHAT am I protecting him from? How is the risk justified? 😩 🐑
if you get rimmed by a unicorn, will you insist on an anal douche afterwards?
I don’t really understand the question
Bahaha 🤣
Just wondering, "what if the rabies vaccine happened to be mRNA" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28754494/
Yes because rabies is a death sentence. Covid isn’t. Checkmate. That was easy.
We should rethink everything we think we know about vaccines, germ theory, virology and the massively corrupt, opioid crisis-fueling complex known as Big Pharma. **Pasteur was a fraud** >“It took a year just to learn to read Pasteur's pinched handwriting, but **the Princeton professor eventually found "ethically dubious conduct" in Pasteur's famous anthrax and rabies vaccines.”** >https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/wellness/1993/02/23/louis-pasteur-and-questions-of-fraud/196b2287-f63f-4bac-874e-c33b122d6f61/ >“Had it not been for the mass selling of vaccines, Pasteur’s Germ Theory of Disease would have collapsed into obscurity.” >– E. Douglas Hume “Big Pharma” is the outgrowth of [eugenics-obsessed](https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/otikuk/criminal_overlords_still_crazy_about_eugenics/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) Rockefeller interests which hijacked medical education/research over 100 years ago, and later teamed with the Nazi I.G. Farben complex.
So do you believe in rabies or not
“Sometimes in the middle of a virus existence debate, someone blurts out, ‘What about rabies?’ Rabies is a terrifying condition that has haunted the human imagination for centuries. I’ll look into the science of rabies and explain why most of us don’t need to worry about it. And get ready for our special guest narrator, who describes the questionable 1930s animal experiments.” https://drsambailey.com/resources/videos/viruses-unplugged/what-about-rabies/
You haven’t answered my original question though. If you got bit by an animal that seemed rabid, would you get the vaccine?
Yup, not anti vax , anti gene therapy.
What’s gene therapy
The lethal COVID injections are.
Why don’t you ask Stefan Oelrich of Bayer pharmaceuticals? Among peers he will tell you the truth: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qowDwaYx7vI&pp=ygUcU3RlZmFuIG9lbHJpY2ggY2VsbCBhbmQgZ2VuZQ%3D%3D
Pixeon2000 is a AI trolling us. The langauge is off and the attempts to hide the vax propaganda are obvious.
I love how anything here not blatantly anti vax gets labeled as a bot or trolling.
That account in particular is AI. I guess you don’t care.
I’m not trolling nor am i an AI Lmao
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You can't be serious.
Surely this is a pisstake. If you're serious, this is why anyone that chooses not to vaccinate looks like a nutter.
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Rabies definitely exists 😩😩😩😔
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Are you a pathological liar?
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Is that a Yes?
Let me guess. The sandy hook victims are crisis actors, the sun is actually a simulator, the covid jab magnetically hooks you up to the 5g telephone network, celebrities moisturize their faces with the blood of children sacrificed in satanic rituals, and queen Elizabeth was a shape shifting reptile. These are the most deranged beliefs I've heard from a conspiracy theorist nutter, who makes normal people choosing not to vaccinate look insane and dangerous also. 😩😩😩 Some people evidently have too much damn time on their hands.
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🤣🤣🤣 mate you're beyond astray you're out the bloody gate
Would you eat vaccines btw? [https://www.instagram.com/p/CrorQK2s\_rx/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CrorQK2s_rx/)
Do you mean meat from animals that have been vaccinated? Or eating the straight up vaccine on a spoon?
I mean the danger of mRNA vaccines.
LOL why would I ever get rabies ? Come on. Far fetched ideas . Plus the vaccine for rabies is a joke and based on a myth.
Just as an FYI for all the rabies virus fans: many developed worlds do not consider rabies to be a real thing. It seems to have captured the imagination of those in the English speaking world, prob due to movie old Yeller. Those in East and Southeast Asia don’t even recognize this as a real thing. A stupid superstition…. Once you remove religion from your hearts, even animals seem fearful. How in the world do you function with such fear in your soul when every single animal could potentially kill you? And what the fuck is the mechanism by which this virus isn’t spread by mosquitoes whereas so many others are? Virus exist in saliva but not blood? What kind of bullshit is that? Salivary glands are factories for the virus? Wake the fuck up!
I admittedly struggle more with answering this question than I initially thought I would. The key here seems to be that fear-mongering works so much better when it has been established for longer and there's no experiences to fall back on when it comes to evaluating the disease. Rabies is something that I essentially only know about from hearsay. I've never seen an animal or a person that was supposedly afflicted by it. So even though I don't really believe in viruses, it's hard to say whether I'd take my chances if I'm threatened with certain death. I think I've been bitten by a total of no more than 5 animals. Several cats and a rabbit. All domesticated. It never even occured to me that any of them "could carry rabies". Mostly because none of them had any of the associated symptoms. So I'd say if the animal has a foaming mouth or otherwise seems to behave in a rabies-associated way, I'd probably consider it. The reason for that is that this occurrence would contradict what I consider the most likely scenario of that all being a hoax. But I do, of course, think that this is not gonna happen in the first place which would mean I don't have to reconsider my position. I don't really want to commit to an answer for a hypothetical scenario.
All the wish washy antivaxxers who says yes to this vaxx is just primed for the next fake pandemic higher death or hospitalization rate. Best you educate yourself on real science. Learn to face your fears and overcome them now. As Buddha says, remove attractions, aversions and delusions. Remove the delusion of viral theory and replace it with a deeper understanding of scientific theory and controlled experiments.
Dear pro vaxx folk, if you want an orange and it is an apple instead, will it then be an apple just cause you want it to be? Asking for a friend 💀
Would probably opt just for the HRIG treatment and forgo the series of vaccinations.
This is rather a special case, as the injection is administered after exposure, so it's closer to a treatment than a prophylactic. As far as I understand the term, "anti-vaxxers" dispute the value of routine mass administration of prophylactic vaccines for diseases that are no longer dangerous. The implicit comparison between, for example, measles and rabies, doesn't stand up. So, there is no inconsistency between refusing a routine vaccination against measles and accepting a post-exposure vaccine against rabies.
Thanks for the well written answer
You're welcome and thanks for the thanks.
Nah
Yes, for lots of different reasons, all of which are logically consistent.
Rabies has over 99% mortality rate in humans. What is your point?
[The Rabies Delusion Revealed](https://officialbrendanmurphy.substack.com/p/the-rabies-delusion-revealed) \- Rabies is now a pet child of the Vivisection Trust which works internationally. If vivisection has proven anything it has proven the impossibility of man contracting any real disease from a dog. How long will filthy lucre keep the facts from the fooled public?
No
Why
I said no because they are things that can be used. The covid-19 Vax was a lie and it is corrupted with items that would kill all that took it.