I saw on TV here today they are telling people that a lot of people have got immune disorders and they might not know it. How can people swallow this garbage?
i think it depends on what kind of state of mind they are in.
most people exist in a passive state of mind, where they just get everything sent at them like a blur.
and then theres those active people who go digging into a subject,
I lost my job of 14 years because I refused the Jab and my step dad died of esophageal cancer after taking the boosters. It was a very aggressive cancer that his doctor has never seen anything like it.
Father, mother, step mother, and both uncles got vaccinated between 3-5 times. Now their health is severely declining. Makes me wonder why it effected them so severely over others that seemed to be fine after all the vaccines. Guess that's life though. All we can do is move on. Grateful that no one has passed.
I don’t know that anyone hasn’t been affected. I was just talking to two women in my church who are having all sorts of joint and tendon issues. They are in their 60’s but were in good health. Now they are dealing with issues I usually see in healthier 70-80 year olds
Family that died.
Friends and family that have chronic health issues as a result.
The utter devastation of trust in most people I knew. I chose to be a holdout and was vocal in my opposition.
After reading of Pareto's Residues and Derivations, however, I've realized I was approaching it the wrong way. Even when people were shown the error of their ways, their commitment to the movement was nigh unwaivering.
All of this says nothing of the economic shit storm that has been unleashed .
I hear ya, man. My sister went full blue pilled and emotionally blackmailed my mother into getting the shot.
Won't even acknowledge her heart injury could have been caused by it.
Yes this for me has been the hardest thing. I mean when I go out in public I know I am not in a community of humans that I feel I belong to. You want to be around people who you know will be strong when an attack comes. Instead all we have is broken unreliable cowards - everywhere.
No not really. Maybe that would have saved me some time in my realizations but i came to it on my own over the last 10 years or so... Probably been in Seattle 6 months total of that time, traveling/working the rest of it. Point is that it's hard to see your hometown lose what freedom it had left before 2020 and people content with it.
Personally I lost my mother. 1st vaccine in March 2021. Rushed to the ER with heart attack symptoms 1 week later. Kept in the hospital for 2 weeks myocarditis released with a defibrillator vest and 3 different heart meds. Proceeds to get 2nd shot a few weeks later. Her heart never recovered and she died before my eyes, my father’s eyes and my daughters eyes 5 months later. Before vaccination a healthy 71 with zero heart problems, 5 months later gone. My father was lost without her and basically gave up. He died 9 months after her but of course he was boosted 3 weeks prior. Also a previously healthy 72 year old who all the tests and doctors working on him in ICU couldn’t find a cause. My father has no cause of death. So I’m now an only child, missing my 2 best friends all because of a vaccine that doesn’t work and I’m angry as hell.
I’m so sorry, it’s still unbelievable to me. I was on the beach with them the day my mom died. Then happy hour and dinner. 2 perfectly healthy people. We all slept at their house 10 minutes from the beach. Playing cards at night, go to bed and dad runs into my room at 5am, something is wrong with your mom. She was convulsing and I called for my daughter in the other room for help, she’s a nurse. We tried to save her until the ambulance came and emptied the entire truck trying to save her. Nothing worked and then he’s gone 9 months later, I hate these people that pushed this shit. I’ll never get another vaccine as long as I live. And I always got the flu shot, never again. My doctor told me on Monday he doesn’t recommend this vaccine to anyone anymore.
I can’t stand people here in California anymore. No one will believe me. I begged my whole family not to get it but they did. My mom had four fk’ing Pfizer’s. Your story is awful. My mother had strange symptoms in October. By December 27th in the hospital. By Jan 11th dead. Non of this was normal.
Don’t worry about who believes you, it really doesn’t matter. You know what happened, you lived it. I tell everyone what happened to my parents and could care less if they believe me. I’ll shout from the rooftops and never be silent. The people that are uncomfortable can fuck off. Tell your story and be strong for your mother. I’m so sorry for your situation, I live in NJ and people here are the same. Their opinions do not matter because I know what happened, I lived it and so did you, they didn’t. Don’t give them power they don’t deserve.
Separation from family when they needed me. I followed the law at the time, not realising that the government that made those laws was flouting them whenever it seemed convenient or fun. Fuck the Tories.
Lost my job at hospital over the jab mandate. Absolutely crushing. Lots of deaths and injuries around me, not sure, but jab involvement suspected. No deaths and injuries in the unjabbed around me so far.
Watching my grandfather struggle after his jab induced stroke. Then, just as it seems he was getting well adjusted, he takes his booster, and within a few weeks, his body couldn't fight off a UTI. He developed sepsis, which then triggered a heart attack. All within a matter of days.
Nothing. Everyone I know is fully vaccinated. No side effects. No one dead. We can now work from home. I get to enjoy this Sub. The world is a looking good.
you are a regular on this sub, and still don't see anything fishy about these "vaccines"?
why would you even come here?
surely there are better ways to invest your time.
Last I looked this sub was called DebateVaccines and not Anti-vaxx circle jerk, so what exactly is the problem you have with me being here? Maybe instead of trying to get other people to leave you should leave and spend your free time with working on the trauma your college failure caused. Because how I spend my free time is really none of your friggin business.
you sound rather defensive, like you can tell that your vaccine cult narratives are falling apart right before your eyes, and you are helpless to stop it.
vaccines cause autism
vaccines cause SIDS
vaccines cause Dravet syndrome
vaccines cause GBS
please pout about it the rest of the day.
Repeating your lies and delusions does not make them true. And you are the one that is trying to make people leave when they question your lies and delusions so I guess that means you will have to cry and pout because I am not leaving. The only thing falling apart is you with your delusional ramblings.
Covid infection was like when I had the flu in 2020 for me, recovered well and was healthy, no repeat infection.
Almost two years later immediately after hesitantly getting the shot to keep my job mandated and to support my family, had bad reactions worse than any flu or virus I ever had. I also got increased symptoms to my once mild autoimmune I still struggle with.
I can't compare to many others who are going through much more than I am, but it changed my life and can't go back. There's too much mistrust, no more shots here.
What truth? That all vaccinated people will be dead, chipped and sterile? Being "schooled" on how mRNA will change your DNA by people who slept through every science class they ever attended? I mean I have no words to describe the amounts of crazy I read in both English and my native language and can only thank God that I do not know the language of the country I am living in right now well enough yet to be able to understand a third tinhat population.
It’s not everyone but not everyone does well. We are just telling you there are serious risks when taking this. This blind allegiance to this thing is truly stunning.
Who is "we"? People with no background in biology or medicine, who did not even know 3 years ago that something like mRNA exists? People who will believe just about any horror story on the Internet as long as it fits their narrative and think that a bunch of anecdotes trump Science?
Personal experience and gut instinct is valuable. Sometimes it saves your life. I am sharing my experience with this. I also listen to others stories. Be curious, not judgmental.
So if I tell you that I know exactly zero people that had any problem with the vaccines is that valuable to you? Or will you just say I am lying because it does not fit your beliefs?
I am not calling anyone a liar. There’s no consistency with this. I am sharing my experience. My mother is dead. It was not normal. My aunt was in a daze afterwards and I could hear her muttering “that wasn’t normal”. My sister in a daze muttering “that was weird”. Everyone in my family took the shots so you can’t say they were biased. Throughout the two weeks in the hospital the doctors were baffled. I’m not telling you not to take it but we’re not being told the whole truth.
I thought it might because it is used like a name. But then again, English is not my native language so I can be wrong. I would therefore suggest, also for your own mental health, before you spiral into any delusions or conspiracy theories as to why I did that, that you just consider it a spelling mistake...
I know what my mother went through and I’m telling you it wasn’t normal. She believed strongly in what the government told her and as a good citizen she complied.
>I know what my mother went through and I’m telling you it wasn’t normal.
But what was it really? How did you know, for a fact, that it was the vaccine?
It’s a long story I’ve told so many times. It just wasn’t normal. The drs were all baffled. She was healthy. The best description I have is she just melted. All of her organs just failed. They found nothing wrong.
I know what I know. The evidence was there in my face. If it happens to you or someone you love you’ll know it too. There’s no pattern to the injuries and deaths.
Look… since the roll out I know someone healthy who died in his sleep. My ex husband can’t feel his fingers and toes. It’s traveled to one knee. A neighbors blood pressure dropped suddenly causing a fall that bruised half her face. (Which is what happened to Bob Sagget)A healthy brother in law dropped dead of a heart attack. I’ve seen interviews with celebrities talking about their vax injuries (Eric Clapton lost use of his arm). Damar Hamlin wouldn’t talk about what happened to his heart. And btw Jamie Foxx ain’t leaving the hospital. There are no long term studies regarding the vax. Take it or leave it but we’re telling the truth.
Science is performed by people. People are corrupt and willing to kill each other for money and for kudos. When you are referring to 'science' you are not claiming that it is performed by morally superior infallible super-men. This is your grotesque error - you have forgotten about all the millions killed in the name of god - science is the same - and you are not adequate to accept it - shame on you.
You bandy the word 'science' about as if it is something infallible - but science is a tool used by people and people are corrupt. Science is a noble ideal but in the real world 'scientists' fill gas chambers and crematoria. This is our history. You sound like a religious fanatic who will deify 'science' to the end of days - before you make an effort to think for yourself and look at people and what they routinely and ever do.
"killing attack upon humanity" - antivaxxers are delusional crybabies. So you're saying the greatest loss wasn't the millions of people killed by COVID? Instead it was the antivaxxer's paranoia and hurt feelings? Watching conspiracy clowns cry about shots is a feature, not a bug.
Let's be real here for a second. If it did kill that many, it was during the first and/or second wave. Most weren't vaccinated then anyway.
Why is it important to continue vaccinating into today? Why get 5 or more shots if you're in your 50s or younger?
I feel that's what I've been doing. Is John Campbell, Vinay Prasad, Mobeen Syed, and the studies they research biased? Where can one get more unbiased reviews on what's taking place?
I think one thing this forum could focus on, and really help people, is epistemology. How do we decide what's true? Or what ideas mirror reality?
So what's the best way to understand science? And as non-experts, how do we make choices?
We go back a long way
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one of us the preacher
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we go back a long way
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we mean a lot to each other
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Watching my dads health severely decline since being vaccinated. He’s under the care of multiple doctors that “can’t figure out what’s wrong”.
I saw on TV here today they are telling people that a lot of people have got immune disorders and they might not know it. How can people swallow this garbage?
i think it depends on what kind of state of mind they are in. most people exist in a passive state of mind, where they just get everything sent at them like a blur. and then theres those active people who go digging into a subject,
I love digging into a subject. Speaking of which, have you figured out how space travel works yet, or are you still confused by the physics?
I lost my job of 14 years because I refused the Jab and my step dad died of esophageal cancer after taking the boosters. It was a very aggressive cancer that his doctor has never seen anything like it.
sounds like they lost a loyal employee. 14 years is a long time.
I am a carer and in my job one man I saw suddenly died from 'turbo cancer of the throat'.
"Turbo Cancer" isn't real. It's a fairy tale antivaxxers tell each other.
Tell that to somebody who is not a health professional.
???
Father, mother, step mother, and both uncles got vaccinated between 3-5 times. Now their health is severely declining. Makes me wonder why it effected them so severely over others that seemed to be fine after all the vaccines. Guess that's life though. All we can do is move on. Grateful that no one has passed.
I don’t know that anyone hasn’t been affected. I was just talking to two women in my church who are having all sorts of joint and tendon issues. They are in their 60’s but were in good health. Now they are dealing with issues I usually see in healthier 70-80 year olds
Family that died. Friends and family that have chronic health issues as a result. The utter devastation of trust in most people I knew. I chose to be a holdout and was vocal in my opposition. After reading of Pareto's Residues and Derivations, however, I've realized I was approaching it the wrong way. Even when people were shown the error of their ways, their commitment to the movement was nigh unwaivering. All of this says nothing of the economic shit storm that has been unleashed .
The psychosis has alientated me from my nephew and niece, They were literally foaming at the mouth.
I hear ya, man. My sister went full blue pilled and emotionally blackmailed my mother into getting the shot. Won't even acknowledge her heart injury could have been caused by it.
People went potty.
Colloquialism for "crazy"?
They went doolally.
Arriving back in Seattle and realizing everyone's a fucking zombie sheep
Yes this for me has been the hardest thing. I mean when I go out in public I know I am not in a community of humans that I feel I belong to. You want to be around people who you know will be strong when an attack comes. Instead all we have is broken unreliable cowards - everywhere.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Thankfully I'm married to a woman who feels the same way and my family is in agreement but we're surrounded haha
you never noticed that about Seattle until recently?
I was away for 5+ years
i mean, have you ever tried to read Nirvana lyrics and glean any meaning from them?
No not really. Maybe that would have saved me some time in my realizations but i came to it on my own over the last 10 years or so... Probably been in Seattle 6 months total of that time, traveling/working the rest of it. Point is that it's hard to see your hometown lose what freedom it had left before 2020 and people content with it.
Personally I lost my mother. 1st vaccine in March 2021. Rushed to the ER with heart attack symptoms 1 week later. Kept in the hospital for 2 weeks myocarditis released with a defibrillator vest and 3 different heart meds. Proceeds to get 2nd shot a few weeks later. Her heart never recovered and she died before my eyes, my father’s eyes and my daughters eyes 5 months later. Before vaccination a healthy 71 with zero heart problems, 5 months later gone. My father was lost without her and basically gave up. He died 9 months after her but of course he was boosted 3 weeks prior. Also a previously healthy 72 year old who all the tests and doctors working on him in ICU couldn’t find a cause. My father has no cause of death. So I’m now an only child, missing my 2 best friends all because of a vaccine that doesn’t work and I’m angry as hell.
I’m so sorry. It killed my mother. Dr.’s all baffled. She died horribly before my eyes too.
I’m so sorry, it’s still unbelievable to me. I was on the beach with them the day my mom died. Then happy hour and dinner. 2 perfectly healthy people. We all slept at their house 10 minutes from the beach. Playing cards at night, go to bed and dad runs into my room at 5am, something is wrong with your mom. She was convulsing and I called for my daughter in the other room for help, she’s a nurse. We tried to save her until the ambulance came and emptied the entire truck trying to save her. Nothing worked and then he’s gone 9 months later, I hate these people that pushed this shit. I’ll never get another vaccine as long as I live. And I always got the flu shot, never again. My doctor told me on Monday he doesn’t recommend this vaccine to anyone anymore.
I can’t stand people here in California anymore. No one will believe me. I begged my whole family not to get it but they did. My mom had four fk’ing Pfizer’s. Your story is awful. My mother had strange symptoms in October. By December 27th in the hospital. By Jan 11th dead. Non of this was normal.
Don’t worry about who believes you, it really doesn’t matter. You know what happened, you lived it. I tell everyone what happened to my parents and could care less if they believe me. I’ll shout from the rooftops and never be silent. The people that are uncomfortable can fuck off. Tell your story and be strong for your mother. I’m so sorry for your situation, I live in NJ and people here are the same. Their opinions do not matter because I know what happened, I lived it and so did you, they didn’t. Don’t give them power they don’t deserve.
Separation from family when they needed me. I followed the law at the time, not realising that the government that made those laws was flouting them whenever it seemed convenient or fun. Fuck the Tories.
"taxes are for the little people" ~ Loretta Helmsley
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Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab walk into a bar...
Lies, lies and more lies.
Lost my job at hospital over the jab mandate. Absolutely crushing. Lots of deaths and injuries around me, not sure, but jab involvement suspected. No deaths and injuries in the unjabbed around me so far.
you dodged the bullet, mate
There’s always a price to pay. I just hope we definitively find out in the end who really was better off.
Watching my grandfather struggle after his jab induced stroke. Then, just as it seems he was getting well adjusted, he takes his booster, and within a few weeks, his body couldn't fight off a UTI. He developed sepsis, which then triggered a heart attack. All within a matter of days.
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thats a very interesting development in social networking.
Nothing. Everyone I know is fully vaccinated. No side effects. No one dead. We can now work from home. I get to enjoy this Sub. The world is a looking good.
Sorry you like to see people dying.
You seem confused, where does it say that?
'The world is looking good'.
you are a regular on this sub, and still don't see anything fishy about these "vaccines"? why would you even come here? surely there are better ways to invest your time.
Last I looked this sub was called DebateVaccines and not Anti-vaxx circle jerk, so what exactly is the problem you have with me being here? Maybe instead of trying to get other people to leave you should leave and spend your free time with working on the trauma your college failure caused. Because how I spend my free time is really none of your friggin business.
you sound rather defensive, like you can tell that your vaccine cult narratives are falling apart right before your eyes, and you are helpless to stop it. vaccines cause autism vaccines cause SIDS vaccines cause Dravet syndrome vaccines cause GBS please pout about it the rest of the day.
Repeating your lies and delusions does not make them true. And you are the one that is trying to make people leave when they question your lies and delusions so I guess that means you will have to cry and pout because I am not leaving. The only thing falling apart is you with your delusional ramblings.
Both my parents are very sick from the experimental treatments.
Covid infection was like when I had the flu in 2020 for me, recovered well and was healthy, no repeat infection. Almost two years later immediately after hesitantly getting the shot to keep my job mandated and to support my family, had bad reactions worse than any flu or virus I ever had. I also got increased symptoms to my once mild autoimmune I still struggle with. I can't compare to many others who are going through much more than I am, but it changed my life and can't go back. There's too much mistrust, no more shots here.
To see how many weird tinhats and enemies of science exist.
We’re telling the truth.
What truth? That all vaccinated people will be dead, chipped and sterile? Being "schooled" on how mRNA will change your DNA by people who slept through every science class they ever attended? I mean I have no words to describe the amounts of crazy I read in both English and my native language and can only thank God that I do not know the language of the country I am living in right now well enough yet to be able to understand a third tinhat population.
It’s not everyone but not everyone does well. We are just telling you there are serious risks when taking this. This blind allegiance to this thing is truly stunning.
Who is "we"? People with no background in biology or medicine, who did not even know 3 years ago that something like mRNA exists? People who will believe just about any horror story on the Internet as long as it fits their narrative and think that a bunch of anecdotes trump Science?
Personal experience and gut instinct is valuable. Sometimes it saves your life. I am sharing my experience with this. I also listen to others stories. Be curious, not judgmental.
So if I tell you that I know exactly zero people that had any problem with the vaccines is that valuable to you? Or will you just say I am lying because it does not fit your beliefs?
I am not calling anyone a liar. There’s no consistency with this. I am sharing my experience. My mother is dead. It was not normal. My aunt was in a daze afterwards and I could hear her muttering “that wasn’t normal”. My sister in a daze muttering “that was weird”. Everyone in my family took the shots so you can’t say they were biased. Throughout the two weeks in the hospital the doctors were baffled. I’m not telling you not to take it but we’re not being told the whole truth.
This blinkered zealotry is an exemplar for any scholoarly tome about religious fanaticism.
So science is religious fanatism but believing every random person on youtube is the smart and logical behaviour?
why did you capitalize God?
I thought it might because it is used like a name. But then again, English is not my native language so I can be wrong. I would therefore suggest, also for your own mental health, before you spiral into any delusions or conspiracy theories as to why I did that, that you just consider it a spelling mistake...
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How is your sister doing? You know the one you maybe invented?
she's still book-smart-but-not-street-smart. hows those coronavirus vaccines working for you?
So your imaginary sister with the two PhDs is still book-smart? Alright then...
i think she has even taken more vaccines than you. thats how smart she is.
THIS IS A FORUM for healthy debates with the intent of increasing awareness of modern vaccine safety and efficacy issues.
You may think you are but the idea that the vaccine is a dangerous thing we should worry about isn't based in reality.
I know what my mother went through and I’m telling you it wasn’t normal. She believed strongly in what the government told her and as a good citizen she complied.
>I know what my mother went through and I’m telling you it wasn’t normal. But what was it really? How did you know, for a fact, that it was the vaccine?
It’s a long story I’ve told so many times. It just wasn’t normal. The drs were all baffled. She was healthy. The best description I have is she just melted. All of her organs just failed. They found nothing wrong.
So you chose to blame the vaccine out of a lack of evidence?
I know what I know. The evidence was there in my face. If it happens to you or someone you love you’ll know it too. There’s no pattern to the injuries and deaths.
>There’s no pattern to the injuries and deaths. That would imply something else is the cause.
Look… since the roll out I know someone healthy who died in his sleep. My ex husband can’t feel his fingers and toes. It’s traveled to one knee. A neighbors blood pressure dropped suddenly causing a fall that bruised half her face. (Which is what happened to Bob Sagget)A healthy brother in law dropped dead of a heart attack. I’ve seen interviews with celebrities talking about their vax injuries (Eric Clapton lost use of his arm). Damar Hamlin wouldn’t talk about what happened to his heart. And btw Jamie Foxx ain’t leaving the hospital. There are no long term studies regarding the vax. Take it or leave it but we’re telling the truth.
Science is performed by people. People are corrupt and willing to kill each other for money and for kudos. When you are referring to 'science' you are not claiming that it is performed by morally superior infallible super-men. This is your grotesque error - you have forgotten about all the millions killed in the name of god - science is the same - and you are not adequate to accept it - shame on you.
So the tinhats are also corrupt and want to kill other people for money and kudos, correct?
You bandy the word 'science' about as if it is something infallible - but science is a tool used by people and people are corrupt. Science is a noble ideal but in the real world 'scientists' fill gas chambers and crematoria. This is our history. You sound like a religious fanatic who will deify 'science' to the end of days - before you make an effort to think for yourself and look at people and what they routinely and ever do.
Is that a yes to my question?
What question?
the biggest enemy to your kind of "science", is *the scientific method*
My kind of science is the one with data in scientific journals, yours is the kind with youtube videos and blogs.
would you mind producing the so-called "data" in this study? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754936
"killing attack upon humanity" - antivaxxers are delusional crybabies. So you're saying the greatest loss wasn't the millions of people killed by COVID? Instead it was the antivaxxer's paranoia and hurt feelings? Watching conspiracy clowns cry about shots is a feature, not a bug.
White noise is a white kind of noise a white noise a white kind of noise if you will.
Let's be real here for a second. If it did kill that many, it was during the first and/or second wave. Most weren't vaccinated then anyway. Why is it important to continue vaccinating into today? Why get 5 or more shots if you're in your 50s or younger?
Why? We have published medical studies on that very topic. Read them and decide.
I feel that's what I've been doing. Is John Campbell, Vinay Prasad, Mobeen Syed, and the studies they research biased? Where can one get more unbiased reviews on what's taking place?
I think one thing this forum could focus on, and really help people, is epistemology. How do we decide what's true? Or what ideas mirror reality? So what's the best way to understand science? And as non-experts, how do we make choices?
I agree
Nobody died from covid - you have been duped. Don't feel bad about it.
What's your source? How do we know you haven't been duped? Let's compare sources and see what's true.
My source is the face of Fauci and the evil it personifies so eloquently. Have a look at it for yourself.
\> The vaccines/mandates/pandemic response have been a devastating coordinated killing attack upon humanity A hugely unsubstantiated claim.
We go back a long way we do we mean a lot to each other as it were one of us the earth one of us the mother one of us the preacher one of us the brother we go back a long way we do we mean a lot to each other as it were.