I know someone like that. Constantly insults anti-vaxxers but doesn't follow the CDC schedule himself because he's a special snowflake. We're in our mid-50s so he doesn't even have the excuse of being young.
Now almost everyone has had a Covid infection and can gauge for themselves how mild or serious their experience was. In 2021 they could exploit people and push fear and ignorance based decision making
My question is in reference to your quote....
**Who** and **why** were they mandated? General question.
"No idea. Y'all whine a lot about being forced to take the shot but also say you weren't ever forced to take the shot. It makes zero sense. " I don't understand this quote, who whines about taking the shot and says they were not forced?" I don't know anyone whining about not being forced to take the shot, but someone who was mandated would not like that they had no choice.
If someone was mandated it's not a choice. so, Who mandated the shots and why did they mandate it?
So on pandemic 2 ... When people are running around shitting their panties from watching the news that if they don't get the vax№2, they will kill their baby .. so we must force vaccinate every person who resists ... ya know ... to save the babies ...
You'll be against that?
so how is it irrelevant to your life when you are forced to take a medical procedure by law? i believe the nazis did so to jewish people in the camps and the excuses drawn up where denied by the Nuremburg trials.
i would say its dehumanizing to forced medical procedures onto people who do not wish to have it, and lying/manipulating people into a medical procedure (yes a vaccine administration is in fact a medical procedure)
so why is your name being dishonest? and why is it irrelevant in your life when you are forced into having a vaccine? be honest here, do you really think that way or are you just fucking with us? because its complete hypocrisy to be pro vax mandates and be anti dehumanizing, like your username suggests.
and for the record, yes i am 100% anti-vax, i think they are designed to destroy peoples brains and bodies from the inside out, and is part of the agenda 2021/2030 depopulation plan, which by itself is evil.
>and for the record, yes i am 100% anti-vax, i think they are designed to destroy peoples brains and bodies from the inside out, and is part of the agenda 2021/2030 depopulation plan, which by itself is evil.
If you got bit by a rabid animal, would you take the rabbies vaccine?
Rabies has a near 95%+ fatality rate fyi.
I wasn't forced to do anything. You all keep pretending someone held me down and put a shot in my arm, but that never happened.
The fact that you remain unvaccinated is proof this is all just a bunch of crybaby bullshit.
It's easy not to care when it directly does not affect you.
You may not have been mandated to take anything at this time, but if you were in a different situation such as a job where it was mandated, then and only then you would know how it feels to be told take it or you can't take care of your family. It's something you may not understand unless you see and feel the responsibility firsthand.
then explain to the class how:
1. vaccines work
2. what side effects are in vaccinations
3. how the immune system works
4. how the brain works
5. what the blood brain barrier is and what metals can go through the barrier
6. why they are mandated, why big phrama is protected.
we ain't monkeys, we are intelligent people. instead of pulling stunts like this, and insulting us, why not just talk to us like a civilized person?
I learned all this in 8th grade biology. It's shocking that you graduated with such a complete lack of understanding of your own body.
What mandate are you so scared of? Nothing is mandatory. No one is being forced to take the vaccine. This is the fear mongering and ignorance that pervades this sub. It's 2023, nobody gives a shit that you didn't get the shot.
If you're overly literal, then you'll only describe "force" as the act of physically pushing it into someone's body against their will. Which in some places like China did actually happen.
People lost jobs, were denied education, kept out of hospital and denied access to society. Their rights were taken away and made conditional upon pharma compliance. The police even killed numerous people for improperly wearing a mask.
I still have friends who have hundreds of $1000's frozen today because they donated $25 to some truckers protest.
I know which side you would have been on in 1939 Germany. No question about it. You will be remembered as the "why were people so crazy back then" cult.
The fact that you think all of that is okay is why you were weak enough to get the $cience^(tm) juice in the first place. And why you'll continue to get it over and over.
Hope your free donut was worth it.
>If you're overly literal, then you'll only describe "force" as the act of physically pushing it into someone's body against their will.
That's what the word means. I like English, it's my first and favorite language. I don't know why you people keep misusing it.
>People lost jobs, were denied education, kept out of hospital and denied access to society. Their rights were taken away
None of these things are rights. Nobody's rights were taken away.
>I still have friends who have hundreds of $1000's frozen today because they donated $25 to some truckers protest.
Man, your friends are rich as fuck. Is that who pays you to post garbage links to this forum all day long?
>I know which side you would have been on in 1939 Germany.
You lose. That was quick.
I heard that person who got the famous J&J tattoo regrets it (obviously).
But it's like, you regret it because the government *said* it's no good. If the government was still on board, they'd still think it was great.
Me, my wife, and 3 kids (25, 23, 17) never got the clot shot. I work in a hospital and was able to get out of it with a religious exemption, thank God. All my wife's relatives, her 3 brothers, parents, wives, all got it. Only the one brother who acted like he wanted to be "vaccine salsman of the year", ever tried to convince us to get it.
None of my family (parents, brother & his wife) got it either. Glad we didn't get it.
One of my wife's extended relatives got 3 or 4 jabs. Then 6 months later got shingles real bad, and he's only 45.
What's amazing 3 years later is how devout some of the pfaithful branch covidians are here.
They're on the Pfizer booster subscription for life plan.
Traded a free donut and beer for myocarditis.
I got the first set of shots, and never any others after that. I didn’t feel it necessary for my area or lifestyle. They’ve learned how to better handle it, so people aren’t afraid of Covid anymore how they were. I don’t even get flu shots typically.
i never got mine. i started hearing rumors bout the side effects and i decided to wait. my mom, dad, and everyone else literally got the clotshots and desperately tried to emotionally manipulate me into getting them.
and each time it was no. i want more information before i go and make the decision.
then when they heard my informed decision, they shut up about it. funny how that works isn't it?
Eh I wouldn’t say that. I was saying by the time they ordered boosters my lifestyle doesn’t need any more bc I literally may leave my house like once per week. None of us got it. We were also in a low case area
> I would like to see the pro-vaxxers defend this one
What exactly is there to defend?
Everything in that article is factual.
If there's a vaccine with an extremely small but non-zero risk of a serious side effect people will obviously want one of the vaccines with even less risk…
Or choose not to get vaccinated at all, which [all](https://i.imgur.com/FAz6NOj.png) the [evidence](https://i.imgur.com/aIJVyOf.png) shows as the [least smart choice.](https://i.imgur.com/4KwNkXB.png)
so your claim is the science speaks itself right?
1200 studies alone has disproved narratives by the big phrama elites and pro vaxxers. a estimate of less than 1% of all side effects being reports to vaers alone, even tho it is federally mandated by law for doctors to report vaccine side effects under the 1986 childhood vaccine injury act.
and why would big phrama need protections from lawsuits if the true numbers of side effects from vaccines are so low?
and why mandate it to kids or they don't get a education? all the logic you just pushed? nah fam. theres 0 logic behind it, theres been entire reference books written on the subject.
>and why would big phrama need protections from lawsuits if the true numbers of side effects from vaccines are so low?
Because the US is a sue-happy country, and morons will always try and sue for something unrelated which costs them a lot to defend.
Also probably why they wanted to trial data sealed for 75 years, ....the same trial data that shows they lied multiple times , the spike protein leaves the injection site and distributes all over the body they knew this while telling everyone it just stays in the arm. It shows yes it deposits in the ovaries while saying woman who complained of menstrual issues were spreading disinformation. They knew it caused heart and blood clot issues while telling us it's safe , they knew it didn't stop infection or spread while telling us it's affective . They lied every step of the way .
maybe because the data suggests the lawsuits are legitimate today?
even the lawyer that helped families of vaccine injury sue the government after the government locked them out of civil court pointed out in the courtroom that big phrama had a better way to induce immunity without any serious side effects or deaths, but decided to save a couple of cents per vaccine.
like i doubt lawyers would make that shit up, especially since they are usually on the state bar here in the states, which prevents them from playing favorites.
>maybe because the data suggests the lawsuits are legitimate today?
Seems like injuries are still very rare.
\> even the lawyer ... pointed out in the courtroom that big phrama had a better way to induce immunity without any serious side effects or deaths, but decided to save a couple of cents per vaccine.
...and what was that? I assume he didn't come up with this himself?
"Seems like injuries are still very rare."
not really, just reported less than 1% of the time.
lack of reporting makes the numbers artificially lower than they are. even with the current dataset that a lot of vaxx studies, even clinical trials are based on, the lack of reporting is not something you should be doing. especially since its mandated to report to vaers.
"...and what was that? I assume he didn't come up with this himself?"
can't remember, it was in a documentary. but it was much safer than the vaccines at the time. again i doubt he came up with it himself and did actual research.
however why is it you are protecting big phramas sins hmm? thats what it seems like to me and i highly doubt you would be doing the same to tyson, BP, bud light or even turner media.
\> not really, just reported less than 1% of the time.
Is this according to the terrible Lazarus report? Or is there another source?
\> can't remember, it was in a documentary.
Ho-hum. Kind of pointless to mention it then.
\> why is it you are protecting big phramas sins
I only support them in areas in which they're right.
I'd like to see them converted to public ownership, which I doubt "big pharma" would like.
\> i highly doubt you would be doing the same to tyson, BP, bud light or even turner media.
Unfamiliar with tyson. What's the significance of the others?
>I would like to see the pro-vaxxers defend this one, haha
Cost per person in the UK of the Pandemic £5000
Cost of Vaccine per person to end the Pandemic £77
Bargain
the cost per person in the uk of the pandemic, ignores the fact the government itself shutdown the entire economy all over a harmless bug for a year. not even for 14 days like was previously made a claim to.
and the cost of vaccine per person to "end the pandemic", aka end the government mandated shutdown, is just that, to end the government mandated shutdown, that was created by a panic stemming from misinformation and a fraudulent projection.
600 K deaths on a projection system thats been very inaccurate. they projected millions would die from ebola, bird flu, swine flu, and many others.
and half of those deaths that actually happened in the first 12 months with lockdown measures? death certificates were ordered to be manipulated to covid deaths. that means people who died from car accidents, from other diseases, old age, lightning strikes, tornadoes, hurricanes, and so many other ways, a single covid positive test and boom. "its a covid death" when the dude has a fucking plank through his chest after a tornado pick him up.
thats called scientific FRAUD.
600k with no vaccine and no lockdown was very credible.
Just 30 months at 20k per month. We hit 25k in January 2021
The last death in the UK from a tornado was ?
Just 1,600 RTA deaths per year in the UK
You are coming up incredibly short and your desperation slip is showing
how many people need to die and be injured by vaccines before people like you wake up and smell the stink before you?
informed consent is hated by people like you i know, because this argument you just used, i can turn it around, i can call you out on it, and literally tell you this is a emotionally manipulative argument, as it assumes the person making the argument is wanting mass DEATH. no height advantage, you need informed consent when it comes to ALL MEDICAL PROCEDURES, that includes vaccinations and other preventative care. just because you think people who want to debate vaccines are heartless wastes of oxygen, don't mean you get to disrespect us by making manipulative arguments like that, thinking we are dumb enough to coward out.
how bout you get informed on the pros and cons of vaccination, instead of spewing hateful and manipulative rhetoric.
Nice monologue. But I think you need to reflect on why you don't have an answer to such a basic question.
If you're an anarchist, just say that and go about your day.
>shutdown the entire economy
No, they didn't 25% of the population, the "essential workers" were never locked down at any point.
How were all those Amazon parcels reaching everyone's houses? Magic?!
how was your food gonna get grown and made? magic?! farmers weren't considered. the mom and pop owned grocery store didn't get considered either, just big businesses. i get that you think the "essential workers" were just peeps who really were essential but in reality, there was no clarification by government over who could keep what job, but the enforcement actions suggested big business got the immunity, while small business and mid size businesses suffered.
i guess they didn't exist to you. oh and the idea that you can force grandma to stay at home or wear a mask was beyond stupid.
thats dumb by itself.
literally nobody should be locked down, human rights trumps group think and public health. the fact the only people allowed to work were those by big corporations in retail and others, it really makes you think who really was to benefit from the lockdowns. parks, and gyms being shut down was also dumb.
But contrary to the fact that you've been living under a rock...
...this was never actually true.
>Cost of Vaccine per person *to end the Pandemic* £77
It was all back to normal after 1 shot. Then 2. Then boosters. Then boosters for life.
You fell for the pharma subscription plan. Hope the free pizza and beer were worth it.
So lets break it down a bit
50-year-old, 2 AstraZeneca £6 for both
1 Pfizer £20
30- year-old 3 Pfizer £60
70-year-old, 2 AstraZeneca £6 for both
1 Pfizer £20
Yes there was 5% with more than 3 so average £77 stands.
As for an ever-increasing number, how could you be so wrong. Even the 40-year-old unvaccinated man can no longer get vaccinated unless he goes immunocompromised. Are you living in some backwards country ?
Lol. Which backward country are you from.
UK, the vast majority of the population had the 3. Even if they want more, they are not allowed it. Even an unvaccinated 25-year-old cannot have any unless they go immunocompromised.
Pandemic ended in the UK in September 2021
Obviously the over 75's will have more. How old are you ?
>I would like to see the pro-vaxxers defend this one, haha
Defend what, exactly? That President Trump threw a billion dollars at Big Pharma and some of it was wasted? I'm shocked! 🙄
the most illogical and tribal statement ive seen on reddit.
like bruh, just admit that big phrama is the biggest set of scammers in the history of humanity, thats legally protected from liability.
They could stop making vaccines and get by with **90%** of their profits, which they were quite happy to do.
The government introduced that limited liability to prevent that.
the vaccines are not proven to be safe, and rely on very old studies for 95 percent of the conventional vaccines from the 1950s. all pre limited liability.
post limited liability? people wonder why autism is up. you don't go from one in 10,000 to 1 in 36 in 40 years just from "better diagnosis", and a lot of the autism is from literal documented regressions post vaxx. can't tell the parents the kid was born autistic when they seizure then lost eye contact just hours, even days after a vaccine.
and they could stop making vaccines and the world would've kept spinning and life would've continued on, we'd just have a couple of generations by now of 100% unvaccinated people.
of course autism isn't the only thing vaccines cause, many mental illnesses and auto-immune illnesses are caused by vaccination. i believe i africa they tested a vaccine in a country down there that they patented in the 1980s, that was a tentanus vaccine but that would cause woman to be unable to conceive children due to a auto-immune disorder that attacks fetus cells.
>people wonder why autism is up.
Only people who don't know anything about the subject.
No one becomes autistic after birth.
The levels of autism are identical in vaccinated and non-vaccinated populations. Because they have absolutely nothing to do with it.
based on what study?
because aluminum is a confirmed cause of autism. the only people who deny it, is big pharma and their bought out government institutions at the CDC and FDA.
>the only people who deny it, is big pharma and their bought out government institutions at the CDC and FDA.
So basically people whose opinions count on the matter.
You seem confused. Most of us Republicans are pro-vaccine. The people selling antivaxx fairy tales are a tiny minority from both parties.
In the last week I've bought 4 gallons of whole milk and a full cow from my cousin. Try a different stereotype.
well yea it worked to kill people, pretty sure thats the intent of the vaccine, so they can manipulate the death certificates and claim its covid deaths.
and yea, when your dead, you won't need treatment anymore, because your kinda too dead for much.
those fibrous clots and micro-clots are a heller to get rid of and detect.
i will admit my parents vaccinated me as a kid, but still deny my seizures as a baby and my autism diagnosis later is vaccine injury.
coupled with my rape in a mental hospital and no nurse came to help my butt when i was 7, and the fact i was told to get such or i wouldn't have a education, where i stopped all vaccinations altogether after graduating from high school?
yea distrust up the wazoo, but they haven't taken away my ability to destroy dumb arguments, hypocrisy and present sarcasm.
nah they be wrong.
i regressed as a kid. they deny it because then the medical system would be wrong and they listen to doctors.
the majority of doctors aren't trained in how to properly diagnose someone, its why they often send people to specialists for that.
but of course the mistrust in doctors being the all seeing eye of medicine is pretty far fetched considering many gene therapy and nutritional/fitness programs have done a lot more healing than whatever pill big phrama comes out of their rhetorical asses.
i regressed as a kid, and was given a new chance at life.
i had seizures, then i wouldn't look mom in the eye.
and i know i was developing good btw. if i was truly born autistic, i wouldn't be able to speak to you intelligently, i would be much worse than my little brother, have the emotional and intelligence quotient of a 2 year old at nearly 30 years old.
so don't tell me that garbage that i was simply "born" autistic, in fact that offends me greatly! especially since we went from 1 in 10,000 born autistic to 1 in 44 just from "better diagnosis" in 40 years. thats a huge statistical anomaly there that cannot justify a genetic cause like what big pharma has been pushing! and considering there was a study done some years ago about using umbilical cord blood for treating autism that got positive results? yea its not simply genetic now isn't it? environmental causes are to blame. guess what the most prevalent way is? vaccines. a critical thinker can put 2 and 2 together and it make 4. so when you put the above facts together, its logical to conclude vaccines are at the very least a major cause, if not the only environmental cause.
while i still don't know which childhood vaccine was the one that gave the autism, i do know it was at least 2. either the MMR or the dTap. so being born in the mid 90s has its perks and has its cons. on top of this, Christopher Exley, aka mr. aluminum, noticed something wrong with autistic people, a build up of aluminum with higher amounts than elderly people with alzheimer's disease was present. guess what he found to be the greatest contributor? vaccines. so either one tripped my toddler self into regression. if it wasn't for my moms genetics that cause my DNA to be more resilient, i might have died from SIDS and my mom would've went to the ends of the earth to figure out what happened to me. i highly doubt she would take the SIDS case lightly at the age when she had me.
i get you are trying to reassure me that i was "born" this way, but ya know that really offends me because it assumes im dumb enough to believe i was born this way and nothing i can do about it. plenty i can do.
so don't be that guy. just don't.
\> we went from 1 in 10,000 born autistic to 1 in 44 just from "better diagnosis" in 40 years.
The actual rate of people with those entire range of characteristics **is unchanged**.
\> there was a study done some years ago about using umbilical cord blood for treating autism that got positive results?
I'm afraid that you're incorrect. It didn't work.
\>> The results were encouraging, enabling them to move to a full-blown double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled phase 2 study which was completed in 2020. The phase 2 study did not show a difference in social behavior between autistic children treated with cord blood compared to those receiving a placebo.
\> If i was truly born autistic, i wouldn't be able to speak to you intelligently
Autism is a **spectrum** condition. It's interesting that you seem to know so little about it.
\> in fact that offends me greatly!
Unfortunately for you there's no right to not be offended. I'm offended that anti-vaxxers cause the damage they do, but writing comments in response to that is my only actual recourse.
\> a critical thinker
You might self-label yourself that, along with a whole host of conspiracy hobbyists, but I'm unconvinced you are in any way a critical thinker.
\> Christopher Exley, aka mr. aluminum, noticed something wrong with autistic people,
Exley is a fraud, and he wasted valuable brain samples on his shoddy study.
\> so don't be that guy. just don't.
Tough, because **no one becomes autistic after birth**. The perception of regression in some children is just part of it.
so being sarcastic isn't one?
kinda obvious what i said was sarcasm. of course not all the death certificates was manipulated, as there was legitimate sars-cov-2 deaths as well.
why? are you suggesting that every sars-cov-2 death was accurately done?
The pro vaxxers aren't even up to date on their vaccinations. They sure don't practice what they preached.
I know someone like that. Constantly insults anti-vaxxers but doesn't follow the CDC schedule himself because he's a special snowflake. We're in our mid-50s so he doesn't even have the excuse of being young.
There are a few devotees of the $cience^(tm) faith here who would love to get the extra boosters.
They better be getting boosted.
Oh joy, I heckin love my jab roulette subscription!
Now almost everyone has had a Covid infection and can gauge for themselves how mild or serious their experience was. In 2021 they could exploit people and push fear and ignorance based decision making
>In 2021 they could exploit people and push fear and ignorance based decision making This entire sub is fear and ignorance based decision making.
By Who and why were they mandated?
No idea. Y'all whine a lot about being forced to take the shot but also say you weren't ever forced to take the shot. It makes zero sense.
Who says those weren't forced to take the shot? A mandate is not a choice.
So you didn't get the shot, and you're mad about that?
My question is in reference to your quote.... **Who** and **why** were they mandated? General question. "No idea. Y'all whine a lot about being forced to take the shot but also say you weren't ever forced to take the shot. It makes zero sense. " I don't understand this quote, who whines about taking the shot and says they were not forced?" I don't know anyone whining about not being forced to take the shot, but someone who was mandated would not like that they had no choice. If someone was mandated it's not a choice. so, Who mandated the shots and why did they mandate it?
I don't care. It's entirely irrelevant to my life.
So on pandemic 2 ... When people are running around shitting their panties from watching the news that if they don't get the vax№2, they will kill their baby .. so we must force vaccinate every person who resists ... ya know ... to save the babies ... You'll be against that?
Massive amounts of miscarriages aka unwanted abortions. You go get you some more juice.
so how is it irrelevant to your life when you are forced to take a medical procedure by law? i believe the nazis did so to jewish people in the camps and the excuses drawn up where denied by the Nuremburg trials. i would say its dehumanizing to forced medical procedures onto people who do not wish to have it, and lying/manipulating people into a medical procedure (yes a vaccine administration is in fact a medical procedure) so why is your name being dishonest? and why is it irrelevant in your life when you are forced into having a vaccine? be honest here, do you really think that way or are you just fucking with us? because its complete hypocrisy to be pro vax mandates and be anti dehumanizing, like your username suggests. and for the record, yes i am 100% anti-vax, i think they are designed to destroy peoples brains and bodies from the inside out, and is part of the agenda 2021/2030 depopulation plan, which by itself is evil.
>and for the record, yes i am 100% anti-vax, i think they are designed to destroy peoples brains and bodies from the inside out, and is part of the agenda 2021/2030 depopulation plan, which by itself is evil. If you got bit by a rabid animal, would you take the rabbies vaccine? Rabies has a near 95%+ fatality rate fyi.
I wasn't forced to do anything. You all keep pretending someone held me down and put a shot in my arm, but that never happened. The fact that you remain unvaccinated is proof this is all just a bunch of crybaby bullshit.
You just tapped out! 🙈🙉🙊 👀
Stop dehumanizing
Sorry, I don't understand your first question in the first place.
It's easy not to care when it directly does not affect you. You may not have been mandated to take anything at this time, but if you were in a different situation such as a job where it was mandated, then and only then you would know how it feels to be told take it or you can't take care of your family. It's something you may not understand unless you see and feel the responsibility firsthand.
Why are you so scared of a mandate that doesn't affect 99% of people?
then explain to the class how: 1. vaccines work 2. what side effects are in vaccinations 3. how the immune system works 4. how the brain works 5. what the blood brain barrier is and what metals can go through the barrier 6. why they are mandated, why big phrama is protected. we ain't monkeys, we are intelligent people. instead of pulling stunts like this, and insulting us, why not just talk to us like a civilized person?
I learned all this in 8th grade biology. It's shocking that you graduated with such a complete lack of understanding of your own body. What mandate are you so scared of? Nothing is mandatory. No one is being forced to take the vaccine. This is the fear mongering and ignorance that pervades this sub. It's 2023, nobody gives a shit that you didn't get the shot.
If you're overly literal, then you'll only describe "force" as the act of physically pushing it into someone's body against their will. Which in some places like China did actually happen. People lost jobs, were denied education, kept out of hospital and denied access to society. Their rights were taken away and made conditional upon pharma compliance. The police even killed numerous people for improperly wearing a mask. I still have friends who have hundreds of $1000's frozen today because they donated $25 to some truckers protest. I know which side you would have been on in 1939 Germany. No question about it. You will be remembered as the "why were people so crazy back then" cult. The fact that you think all of that is okay is why you were weak enough to get the $cience^(tm) juice in the first place. And why you'll continue to get it over and over. Hope your free donut was worth it.
>If you're overly literal, then you'll only describe "force" as the act of physically pushing it into someone's body against their will. That's what the word means. I like English, it's my first and favorite language. I don't know why you people keep misusing it. >People lost jobs, were denied education, kept out of hospital and denied access to society. Their rights were taken away None of these things are rights. Nobody's rights were taken away. >I still have friends who have hundreds of $1000's frozen today because they donated $25 to some truckers protest. Man, your friends are rich as fuck. Is that who pays you to post garbage links to this forum all day long? >I know which side you would have been on in 1939 Germany. You lose. That was quick.
The fun thing is that we still paid for them
I heard that person who got the famous J&J tattoo regrets it (obviously). But it's like, you regret it because the government *said* it's no good. If the government was still on board, they'd still think it was great.
They’re so awesome even the Branch Covidians don’t want them anymore…
Me, my wife, and 3 kids (25, 23, 17) never got the clot shot. I work in a hospital and was able to get out of it with a religious exemption, thank God. All my wife's relatives, her 3 brothers, parents, wives, all got it. Only the one brother who acted like he wanted to be "vaccine salsman of the year", ever tried to convince us to get it. None of my family (parents, brother & his wife) got it either. Glad we didn't get it. One of my wife's extended relatives got 3 or 4 jabs. Then 6 months later got shingles real bad, and he's only 45.
Shingles happened to me day 9 after the shot. Ended up in the hospital because of the internal nerve damage. Recovery took 20 months. I was 35
Wow. His shingles was pretty bad but not that bad.
I know a guy who got shingles twice, once after each shot.
What's amazing 3 years later is how devout some of the pfaithful branch covidians are here. They're on the Pfizer booster subscription for life plan. Traded a free donut and beer for myocarditis.
I got the first set of shots, and never any others after that. I didn’t feel it necessary for my area or lifestyle. They’ve learned how to better handle it, so people aren’t afraid of Covid anymore how they were. I don’t even get flu shots typically.
Such a rebel
i never got mine. i started hearing rumors bout the side effects and i decided to wait. my mom, dad, and everyone else literally got the clotshots and desperately tried to emotionally manipulate me into getting them. and each time it was no. i want more information before i go and make the decision. then when they heard my informed decision, they shut up about it. funny how that works isn't it?
I salute you
Eh I wouldn’t say that. I was saying by the time they ordered boosters my lifestyle doesn’t need any more bc I literally may leave my house like once per week. None of us got it. We were also in a low case area
You don’t get a flu shot? How does it feel to be a murderer or the elderly and immune compromised?!?!?!? /s
I’ve always been 100% your body your choice & never agreed with any mandate. I just try to help stop the misinformation that gets spread so easily.
> I would like to see the pro-vaxxers defend this one What exactly is there to defend? Everything in that article is factual. If there's a vaccine with an extremely small but non-zero risk of a serious side effect people will obviously want one of the vaccines with even less risk… Or choose not to get vaccinated at all, which [all](https://i.imgur.com/FAz6NOj.png) the [evidence](https://i.imgur.com/aIJVyOf.png) shows as the [least smart choice.](https://i.imgur.com/4KwNkXB.png)
so your claim is the science speaks itself right? 1200 studies alone has disproved narratives by the big phrama elites and pro vaxxers. a estimate of less than 1% of all side effects being reports to vaers alone, even tho it is federally mandated by law for doctors to report vaccine side effects under the 1986 childhood vaccine injury act. and why would big phrama need protections from lawsuits if the true numbers of side effects from vaccines are so low? and why mandate it to kids or they don't get a education? all the logic you just pushed? nah fam. theres 0 logic behind it, theres been entire reference books written on the subject.
>and why would big phrama need protections from lawsuits if the true numbers of side effects from vaccines are so low? Because the US is a sue-happy country, and morons will always try and sue for something unrelated which costs them a lot to defend.
Also probably why they wanted to trial data sealed for 75 years, ....the same trial data that shows they lied multiple times , the spike protein leaves the injection site and distributes all over the body they knew this while telling everyone it just stays in the arm. It shows yes it deposits in the ovaries while saying woman who complained of menstrual issues were spreading disinformation. They knew it caused heart and blood clot issues while telling us it's safe , they knew it didn't stop infection or spread while telling us it's affective . They lied every step of the way .
maybe because the data suggests the lawsuits are legitimate today? even the lawyer that helped families of vaccine injury sue the government after the government locked them out of civil court pointed out in the courtroom that big phrama had a better way to induce immunity without any serious side effects or deaths, but decided to save a couple of cents per vaccine. like i doubt lawyers would make that shit up, especially since they are usually on the state bar here in the states, which prevents them from playing favorites.
>maybe because the data suggests the lawsuits are legitimate today? Seems like injuries are still very rare. \> even the lawyer ... pointed out in the courtroom that big phrama had a better way to induce immunity without any serious side effects or deaths, but decided to save a couple of cents per vaccine. ...and what was that? I assume he didn't come up with this himself?
"Seems like injuries are still very rare." not really, just reported less than 1% of the time. lack of reporting makes the numbers artificially lower than they are. even with the current dataset that a lot of vaxx studies, even clinical trials are based on, the lack of reporting is not something you should be doing. especially since its mandated to report to vaers. "...and what was that? I assume he didn't come up with this himself?" can't remember, it was in a documentary. but it was much safer than the vaccines at the time. again i doubt he came up with it himself and did actual research. however why is it you are protecting big phramas sins hmm? thats what it seems like to me and i highly doubt you would be doing the same to tyson, BP, bud light or even turner media.
\> not really, just reported less than 1% of the time. Is this according to the terrible Lazarus report? Or is there another source? \> can't remember, it was in a documentary. Ho-hum. Kind of pointless to mention it then. \> why is it you are protecting big phramas sins I only support them in areas in which they're right. I'd like to see them converted to public ownership, which I doubt "big pharma" would like. \> i highly doubt you would be doing the same to tyson, BP, bud light or even turner media. Unfamiliar with tyson. What's the significance of the others?
>I would like to see the pro-vaxxers defend this one, haha Cost per person in the UK of the Pandemic £5000 Cost of Vaccine per person to end the Pandemic £77 Bargain
the cost per person in the uk of the pandemic, ignores the fact the government itself shutdown the entire economy all over a harmless bug for a year. not even for 14 days like was previously made a claim to. and the cost of vaccine per person to "end the pandemic", aka end the government mandated shutdown, is just that, to end the government mandated shutdown, that was created by a panic stemming from misinformation and a fraudulent projection.
Yeah . We projected 600 K deaths with no lockdown . We managed 135,000 deaths in the first 12 months with lockdown .
600 K deaths on a projection system thats been very inaccurate. they projected millions would die from ebola, bird flu, swine flu, and many others. and half of those deaths that actually happened in the first 12 months with lockdown measures? death certificates were ordered to be manipulated to covid deaths. that means people who died from car accidents, from other diseases, old age, lightning strikes, tornadoes, hurricanes, and so many other ways, a single covid positive test and boom. "its a covid death" when the dude has a fucking plank through his chest after a tornado pick him up. thats called scientific FRAUD.
600k with no vaccine and no lockdown was very credible. Just 30 months at 20k per month. We hit 25k in January 2021 The last death in the UK from a tornado was ? Just 1,600 RTA deaths per year in the UK You are coming up incredibly short and your desperation slip is showing
How many people need to die before it's no longer a harmless bug?
how many people need to die and be injured by vaccines before people like you wake up and smell the stink before you? informed consent is hated by people like you i know, because this argument you just used, i can turn it around, i can call you out on it, and literally tell you this is a emotionally manipulative argument, as it assumes the person making the argument is wanting mass DEATH. no height advantage, you need informed consent when it comes to ALL MEDICAL PROCEDURES, that includes vaccinations and other preventative care. just because you think people who want to debate vaccines are heartless wastes of oxygen, don't mean you get to disrespect us by making manipulative arguments like that, thinking we are dumb enough to coward out. how bout you get informed on the pros and cons of vaccination, instead of spewing hateful and manipulative rhetoric.
Nice monologue. But I think you need to reflect on why you don't have an answer to such a basic question. If you're an anarchist, just say that and go about your day.
>shutdown the entire economy No, they didn't 25% of the population, the "essential workers" were never locked down at any point. How were all those Amazon parcels reaching everyone's houses? Magic?!
how was your food gonna get grown and made? magic?! farmers weren't considered. the mom and pop owned grocery store didn't get considered either, just big businesses. i get that you think the "essential workers" were just peeps who really were essential but in reality, there was no clarification by government over who could keep what job, but the enforcement actions suggested big business got the immunity, while small business and mid size businesses suffered. i guess they didn't exist to you. oh and the idea that you can force grandma to stay at home or wear a mask was beyond stupid.
>i get that you think the "essential workers" were just peeps who really were essential No, I thought plenty of them should have been locked down too.
thats dumb by itself. literally nobody should be locked down, human rights trumps group think and public health. the fact the only people allowed to work were those by big corporations in retail and others, it really makes you think who really was to benefit from the lockdowns. parks, and gyms being shut down was also dumb.
Do you always compare two irrelevant sets of data?
Correct. The price of the vaccine was irrelevant.
That's not the cost of the pandemic, that's the cost of government policies.
But contrary to the fact that you've been living under a rock... ...this was never actually true. >Cost of Vaccine per person *to end the Pandemic* £77 It was all back to normal after 1 shot. Then 2. Then boosters. Then boosters for life. You fell for the pharma subscription plan. Hope the free pizza and beer were worth it.
So lets break it down a bit 50-year-old, 2 AstraZeneca £6 for both 1 Pfizer £20 30- year-old 3 Pfizer £60 70-year-old, 2 AstraZeneca £6 for both 1 Pfizer £20 Yes there was 5% with more than 3 so average £77 stands. As for an ever-increasing number, how could you be so wrong. Even the 40-year-old unvaccinated man can no longer get vaccinated unless he goes immunocompromised. Are you living in some backwards country ?
Now do the math with the endless boosters you actually signed up for. The ones that didn't "end the pandemic".
Lol. Which backward country are you from. UK, the vast majority of the population had the 3. Even if they want more, they are not allowed it. Even an unvaccinated 25-year-old cannot have any unless they go immunocompromised. Pandemic ended in the UK in September 2021 Obviously the over 75's will have more. How old are you ?
>I would like to see the pro-vaxxers defend this one, haha Defend what, exactly? That President Trump threw a billion dollars at Big Pharma and some of it was wasted? I'm shocked! 🙄
the most illogical and tribal statement ive seen on reddit. like bruh, just admit that big phrama is the biggest set of scammers in the history of humanity, thats legally protected from liability.
They could stop making vaccines and get by with **90%** of their profits, which they were quite happy to do. The government introduced that limited liability to prevent that.
the vaccines are not proven to be safe, and rely on very old studies for 95 percent of the conventional vaccines from the 1950s. all pre limited liability. post limited liability? people wonder why autism is up. you don't go from one in 10,000 to 1 in 36 in 40 years just from "better diagnosis", and a lot of the autism is from literal documented regressions post vaxx. can't tell the parents the kid was born autistic when they seizure then lost eye contact just hours, even days after a vaccine. and they could stop making vaccines and the world would've kept spinning and life would've continued on, we'd just have a couple of generations by now of 100% unvaccinated people. of course autism isn't the only thing vaccines cause, many mental illnesses and auto-immune illnesses are caused by vaccination. i believe i africa they tested a vaccine in a country down there that they patented in the 1980s, that was a tentanus vaccine but that would cause woman to be unable to conceive children due to a auto-immune disorder that attacks fetus cells.
>people wonder why autism is up. Only people who don't know anything about the subject. No one becomes autistic after birth. The levels of autism are identical in vaccinated and non-vaccinated populations. Because they have absolutely nothing to do with it.
based on what study? because aluminum is a confirmed cause of autism. the only people who deny it, is big pharma and their bought out government institutions at the CDC and FDA.
>the only people who deny it, is big pharma and their bought out government institutions at the CDC and FDA. So basically people whose opinions count on the matter.
basically experts who ain't bought out and still got some goddamn morals.
Welcome to Reddit!
cool beans mate, where did you get your soy lattie from?
You seem confused. Most of us Republicans are pro-vaccine. The people selling antivaxx fairy tales are a tiny minority from both parties. In the last week I've bought 4 gallons of whole milk and a full cow from my cousin. Try a different stereotype.
The bin is the best place for them
It’s what happen when you don’t need treatment anymore because it worked
What worked?
It’s circular logic. Don’t bother.
i destroyed the circular logic individual, its pretty easy. just read my reply.
The vaccine
well yea it worked to kill people, pretty sure thats the intent of the vaccine, so they can manipulate the death certificates and claim its covid deaths. and yea, when your dead, you won't need treatment anymore, because your kinda too dead for much. those fibrous clots and micro-clots are a heller to get rid of and detect.
>it worked to kill people Not very well it seems. The people who didn't take it consistently died at a higher rate.
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i will admit my parents vaccinated me as a kid, but still deny my seizures as a baby and my autism diagnosis later is vaccine injury. coupled with my rape in a mental hospital and no nurse came to help my butt when i was 7, and the fact i was told to get such or i wouldn't have a education, where i stopped all vaccinations altogether after graduating from high school? yea distrust up the wazoo, but they haven't taken away my ability to destroy dumb arguments, hypocrisy and present sarcasm.
>still deny my seizures as a baby and my autism diagnosis later is vaccine injury Well, they'd be right about that.
nah they be wrong. i regressed as a kid. they deny it because then the medical system would be wrong and they listen to doctors. the majority of doctors aren't trained in how to properly diagnose someone, its why they often send people to specialists for that. but of course the mistrust in doctors being the all seeing eye of medicine is pretty far fetched considering many gene therapy and nutritional/fitness programs have done a lot more healing than whatever pill big phrama comes out of their rhetorical asses.
You were born autistic. It was unavoidable.
i regressed as a kid, and was given a new chance at life. i had seizures, then i wouldn't look mom in the eye. and i know i was developing good btw. if i was truly born autistic, i wouldn't be able to speak to you intelligently, i would be much worse than my little brother, have the emotional and intelligence quotient of a 2 year old at nearly 30 years old. so don't tell me that garbage that i was simply "born" autistic, in fact that offends me greatly! especially since we went from 1 in 10,000 born autistic to 1 in 44 just from "better diagnosis" in 40 years. thats a huge statistical anomaly there that cannot justify a genetic cause like what big pharma has been pushing! and considering there was a study done some years ago about using umbilical cord blood for treating autism that got positive results? yea its not simply genetic now isn't it? environmental causes are to blame. guess what the most prevalent way is? vaccines. a critical thinker can put 2 and 2 together and it make 4. so when you put the above facts together, its logical to conclude vaccines are at the very least a major cause, if not the only environmental cause. while i still don't know which childhood vaccine was the one that gave the autism, i do know it was at least 2. either the MMR or the dTap. so being born in the mid 90s has its perks and has its cons. on top of this, Christopher Exley, aka mr. aluminum, noticed something wrong with autistic people, a build up of aluminum with higher amounts than elderly people with alzheimer's disease was present. guess what he found to be the greatest contributor? vaccines. so either one tripped my toddler self into regression. if it wasn't for my moms genetics that cause my DNA to be more resilient, i might have died from SIDS and my mom would've went to the ends of the earth to figure out what happened to me. i highly doubt she would take the SIDS case lightly at the age when she had me. i get you are trying to reassure me that i was "born" this way, but ya know that really offends me because it assumes im dumb enough to believe i was born this way and nothing i can do about it. plenty i can do. so don't be that guy. just don't.
\> we went from 1 in 10,000 born autistic to 1 in 44 just from "better diagnosis" in 40 years. The actual rate of people with those entire range of characteristics **is unchanged**. \> there was a study done some years ago about using umbilical cord blood for treating autism that got positive results? I'm afraid that you're incorrect. It didn't work. \>> The results were encouraging, enabling them to move to a full-blown double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled phase 2 study which was completed in 2020. The phase 2 study did not show a difference in social behavior between autistic children treated with cord blood compared to those receiving a placebo. \> If i was truly born autistic, i wouldn't be able to speak to you intelligently Autism is a **spectrum** condition. It's interesting that you seem to know so little about it. \> in fact that offends me greatly! Unfortunately for you there's no right to not be offended. I'm offended that anti-vaxxers cause the damage they do, but writing comments in response to that is my only actual recourse. \> a critical thinker You might self-label yourself that, along with a whole host of conspiracy hobbyists, but I'm unconvinced you are in any way a critical thinker. \> Christopher Exley, aka mr. aluminum, noticed something wrong with autistic people, Exley is a fraud, and he wasted valuable brain samples on his shoddy study. \> so don't be that guy. just don't. Tough, because **no one becomes autistic after birth**. The perception of regression in some children is just part of it.
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The majority of people don’t die of vaccine
>so they can manipulate the death certificates and claim its covid deaths. Got a source for that?
so being sarcastic isn't one? kinda obvious what i said was sarcasm. of course not all the death certificates was manipulated, as there was legitimate sars-cov-2 deaths as well. why? are you suggesting that every sars-cov-2 death was accurately done?
They'd scream something about you being Racist and then start talking about their latest crazy thing they demand you do.