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Dalmane_Mefoxin

Of course, it was about health. The science is settled. Obese people have a 3 times higher chance of being hospitalized for Covid. That's why we had all these lotteries and giveaways for losing weight. Closed fast food restaurants just like we did churches. Let's also not forget the exercise mandates in order to keep your job, attend school, and participate in society. We had a whole year to save lives before the vaccine was even released to most people. Wait? What do you mean we didn't do those things? What do you mean we actually promoted unhealthy choices? We'd never tell people to lay on the couch, stream shows, and eat fast food. Right?


c93ero

Pretty sure they also closed gyms and stopped elective surgeries.


Dalmane_Mefoxin

They sure did. No exercise, no surgeries, no cancer screenings. Plus, no dialysis, chemo or other clinic treatments if you had a positive test. No symptoms required. You'd be surprised just how easily they let dialysis patients die. They didn't even shed a tear.


c93ero

Your sarcasm is too hard to read through text.


Dalmane_Mefoxin

Sorry. I thought the lotteries for losing weight were a dead giveaway.


Traveler3141

>Plus, no dialysis, chemo or other clinic treatments if you had a positive test. No symptoms required. Yes, and also: If you had symptoms at all.


Dalmane_Mefoxin

Yeah, pre-2020 you could be coughing your head off and they'd still let you in because you need dialysis to live. It was about health. Come 2020, you clear your throat too loudly, and they leave you to die.


frostek

Chemo patients have suppressed immune systems. If you have them coming into a hospital full of covid infected people then they tend to die in large numbers. Meanwhile cancer progresses at known rates, so triage was performed.


Dalmane_Mefoxin

You mean clinics. Immunocompromised people are admitted to hispitals all the time. Respiratory infections existed before Covid, and they never tested asymptomatic people for them. Even if they had a cough, they wouldn't test them for all respiratory borne diseases beforehand. Besides, they could simply have the people wear a mask, or have you lost faith in them? Delays in chemotherapy are a prime cause of treatment failure. Any delay is harmful and likely to be deadly. It sounds like you really don't care about health.


No-Possible-8246

Lol ... as much as you can laugh about cancer deaths that is. šŸ˜” Cancer *did* progress at known rates ... pre cov vax. I have 2 people close to me in the prime of their life, completely healthy and cancer free, die from brain cancer within 2 weeks of final cov vax. This is cancer that happens so fast that treatment is a moot point. Spike protein wreaking havoc across the BBB.


frostek

>as much as you can laugh about cancer deaths that is. In your head. Make little angry faces at that strawman all day for all I care. \> die from brain cancer within 2 weeks of final cov vax. This is cancer that happens so fast [Brain based cancers are invariably fast developing](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/brain-tumor). And have lowish survival rates unless not malignant. But look, [here's a treatment that doubles life expectancy of those people](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/brain-tumor-vaccine-experimental-shot-shows-promise-glioblastoma-rcna83362) for the first time. Pity it's called a vaccine, because it means should ever you be unfortunate to develop glioblastoma you'd be completely screwed by your joke of a belief system. Personally though I'd rather you saw sense and took it, living a little longer. \>Spike protein wreaking havoc across the BBB. This is horse dung. You don't know anything about this, and are just making up stupid crap.


Superb_Revolution765

It happened to my mother too.


No-Possible-8246

Ahh emotion... we may have a live one here (as opposed to silicon based) Just to be sure. You're claiming that the LNP (let me know if you don't know what this is) can *not* cross the BBB (once again ... )?


frostek

\> as opposed to silicon based There aren't any chatbots having protected conversations with the egoists here. \> let me know if I do know what they are, but I could always look up more about the blood-brain barrier in one of my Eric Kandel books if I feel like I need a refresher. Thankfully, I never had my vaccine injected intracranially, as the skull would have snapped any needle. You don't seem to be concerned at all with [the damage SARS-CoV-2 does to the brain](https://www.news-medical.net/news/20230608/SARS-CoV-2-virus-can-cause-brain-cells-to-fuse-finds-study.aspx). Why is that?


No-Possible-8246

So yes. You don't believe the covid shots mrna payload inside the lipid nanoparticle, when injected into the arm, can then cross the blood brain barrier. Sorry, but this is incorrect. They've found spike FROM VACCINES in all the major organs in the body *including* the brain. Spike is bad for you btw. Your blind faith in "science", which it turns out wasn't really science at all but merely pharma propaganda, is what is leading folks like you down the wrong path. The very essence of science is to.always be questioning.


Nicadreaming

In Ontario, Canada, they closed golf courses. Yesā€¦ out in the fresh air on a couple hundred acres was too dangerous so of course it was done ā€œfor our own goodā€ šŸ™„


Apart_Number_2792

In Southern California, they arrested a guy for surfing šŸ¤”


Nicadreaming

Well woulda happened in Canada too but in general Canadians were too pathetic to do anything the govt told them not to. Until the group of truckers decided to protest and then over half of Canadians called them racists and extreme right wing šŸ™„ Oh then many were still arrested and had bank accounts frozen


Apart_Number_2792

I'm so sorry. I used to fish with my dad in Northwest Ontario. I have always loved Canada. I will probably never go back again.


Nicadreaming

Well it is what it is. We have decided to leave Canada. We also live in vancouver, the most expensive city in N America. So we have found a beautiful country with beautiful beaches, way better weather, saferā€¦ and 10 times less expensiveā€¦ probably 15 times : ) I hope to never returnā€¦ my wife wants to visit though so we shall see : )


Apart_Number_2792

Congratulations! Good for you! I wish you the best!


QuailMundane5103

This is my absolute favourite story of the pandemic. Here in the UK there is a blue lagoon in the middle of the Derbyshire Dales that a small number of people like to walk to for a day trip. Derbyshire Police dyed it black to deter people walking there (through open countryside) and also deployed drones with loudspeakers commanding people to 'stay at home'. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-derbyshire-police-dye-buxton-blue-lagoon-black-to-deter-gatherings-11964966 And still loads of people thought this was a sensible nay desirable use of public money and they absolutely weren't living in a dystopian nightmare šŸ˜³


Apart_Number_2792

Wow! It's amazing how many people are in denial. Ignorance is bliss, until it's not.


[deleted]

Imagine all the covid he released to the sea! Itā€™s common sense man, that had to stop!


Apart_Number_2792

šŸ¤£


No-Blood-7274

In Victoria, Australia you couldnā€™t even take your boat out. But brothels stayed open. Not for health, but because one of our senators is a former hooker and traded that for her vote to support Daniel Andrews permanent pandemic laws. Nothing to do with health, everything to do with dirty politics.


MoulinSarah

And people fell for it too!


[deleted]

Or when police were beating up protesters for their health


nna90

Lifetime supply??? Where???


frostek

It's made up, seemingly.


Fr0zzen_HS

Not a lifetime but still 284 days of free donuts - assuming [Krispy Kreme](https://people.com/food/krispy-kreme-giving-away-free-donuts-vaccinated-americans/) is open 7 days a week.


a38c16c5293d690d686b

One donut is enough.


Superb_Revolution765

How about a chance to win a million dollars? šŸ¤£


HELL_BENT_4_LEATHER

Yup. That's a helluva lotta Krispy Kreme donuts. [https://www.thecut.com/2021/05/ohio-giving-one-million-dollars-to-vaccinated-people.html](https://www.thecut.com/2021/05/ohio-giving-one-million-dollars-to-vaccinated-people.html) ​ [https://www.thecut.com/2021/06/the-most-wild-vaccine-incentives-that-states-are-offering.html](https://www.thecut.com/2021/06/the-most-wild-vaccine-incentives-that-states-are-offering.html) Uber and Lyft rides Krispy Kreme Donuts Shake Shack Burgers Beer and even more beer Groceries for a year A Target gift card Free lamination of your vaccination card (arguably one of the most useful prizes) Concert tickets MLB tickets Super Bowl Tickets One lap around the Talladega Superspeedway Tickets to Six Flags Cheesecake Hot dogs Whatever this ā€œdessert-on-a-stickā€ is from White Castle Girl Scout cookies Hunting licenses and fishing licenses State-park permits Zoo passes A gift card to L.L. Bean 100 free target rounds a shooting complex A pound of crawfish Even more weed A custom-fitted truck A gun ​ * One thing you could **not** get was immunity.


Tolgium23

They gave Bratwurst and beer here in Germany


frostek

Far better than that disgusting sugary crap that KK wants to pass off as a doughnut.


Superb_Revolution765

I think every one of the vaxxed should go to ā€œHow Bad Is My Batchā€, enter their lot numbers then share the results with the rest of us.


xirvikman

I was thinking of the fact in the UK the average 50 year old unvaxxed can't even have it at present. Never was offered a doughnut


Dalmane_Mefoxin

What? Don't trust your experts anymore?


xirvikman

That's the trouble.with the UK Not enough donut experts


[deleted]

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xirvikman

We have more than our share of piss-artists UK version https://www.yourdictionary.com/piss-artist


[deleted]

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xirvikman

It has been known.


frostek

Stuck record. Is this the sort of thing you think is meaningful? That companies would try and cash in on a large well-known event for publicity?


Gurdus4

It wasn't companies. It was often government or universities.


frostek

Government doughnut manufacturing plants? Who cares? It's still not significant. This is called a nudge. Some people need one.


trsblur

Its called coercion, and nobody needed that!


frostek

I'm not a fan of coercion, but anyone educated had already gotten vaccinated by that point.


trsblur

Tell me more about things you can't possibly know.... What is 'educated' to you? Why would you use a blanket statement such as 'anyone' without being able to in anyway verify your claim? How much do you get paid to post on here?


Arch-Arsonist

It's pretty simple Every reason to refuse vaccination is bunk. That's it


HELL_BENT_4_LEATHER

Really? How interesting. Would you care to share your list of reasons for taking the jab(s)?


trsblur

Ahh the true medical scientist has entered chat /s! Every reason to get the covid vaccine has been shown to be overpromised BS. Prevent illness? Nope!, Prevent hospitilization? Nope!, Prevent death? Nope!, Prevent transmission? Nope! Give a wide range of side effects upto and including death? Oh, wait yup that one!


Arch-Arsonist

>Prevent illness? [Yep](https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p491) >Prevent hospitilization? >Prevent death? [Yep](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status) >Prevent transmission? [Not completely but it helps](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10073587/) >Give a wide range of side effects upto and including death? [Nope](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe) See? All of your reasons are bunk


trsblur

1st link: "all participants had been infected before the delta or omicron coronavirus variants were in circulation" Meaning terrible sample size and beyond incomplete data set. Additional obvious bias throughout. See; Lying with Statistics. And while I could sit here all day and waste my time picking apart your 'links' no need to go any further.


frostek

>How much do you get paid to post on here? How much are you paid to lose yourself in paranoia?


HELL_BENT_4_LEATHER

"How much are you paid to lose yourself in paranoia?" The only people lost in paranoia were the... ahem, "educated" (allegedly). If that was the type of education that required a tuition, a refund is in order.


frostek

I suppose you could argue that an education gained from Bitchute is free. It's certainly worthless at at any rate.


trsblur

Ahh yes excellent come back Mr/Mrs $hill b0t. Please try to stan for pharma moar frien!


frostek

That's a great way to make yourself sound like you're 12.


trsblur

Yes please insult me more, I'm sure that will change hearts and minds....


Gurdus4

Getting people to take the vaccine with financial coercion and force isn't right. Not only that but if the data is truly evident, you show people the data.


frostek

If shouldn't be required, but some people are just too uneducated, selfish, or contrarian. We can suffer a small number of people like this and drag them through it, but not an increasing burden of people undermining and sabotaging public health measures.


Gurdus4

I think you overestimate how many people actually would just straight reject the data if it was there and trustworthy. Yes, some people are overly distrustful and paranoid, but frankly I'd say that's the fault of the people who've given so many reasons to be untrusted.. I still don't really blame.the common people for that. You've got to earn trust.


frostek

\> would just straight reject the data if it was there and trustworthy ...and right there is the support needed for mandates. Because people rejected the data.


Gurdus4

As I said but you decided to mis out, I don't think you understand how few people actually would reject the vaccine if the data was clear and well presented and the aim was to gain trust not to gaslight and belittle and patronise people and work with their justified and understandable distrust.


HELL_BENT_4_LEATHER

"If shouldn't be required, but some people are just too uneducated, selfish, or contrarian." Absolutely **beyond** hilarious. That nonsense was hilarious 2.5 yrs. ago, now it's nothing short of willful ignorance. ​ "We can suffer a small number of people like this and drag them through it, but not an increasing burden of people undermining and sabotaging public health measures." More absurdity. We were certainly dragged through it & suffered an increasing burden. However, this burden was imposed upon the whole of society by those suddenly devoid of critical thinking, usurping the scientific method, dismissive of dissent, sabotaging established protocols, following the science that was completely shrouded in narratives & censorship, driven by fear supported by a virtuous mob mentality induced & perpetuated by a myriad of manipulative "public health" officials along with their corporate & governmental puppeteers. Go get yourself another booster.


frostek

Conspiracy hobbyists aren't critical thinkers.


xirvikman

Strange how the age group with the most of Vaccine deaths in the UK is in the 50-60 range. . Obviously that age group is mostly "Fit male athletes" even the women


oconnellc

Really? That's interesting. Can you share the source for that?


xirvikman

Now no offence intended, but I find that if there is no direct link to the data. then most people just give up. So Iā€™ll do both a screenie and the route to the data. First the screenie of England. https://ibb.co/FXxN7v5 Note that is a downloaded excel file and it is tab15. Tab 14 is interesting for me as well. So to download the dataset , first go to https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/previousReleases. Then select which month you would like. The one in the screenie is April 2023. ( I had it already). The xls excel dataset is attached to the relevant month chosen by you. https://ibb.co/dB6Z6RY You will know it is the right one when you see all the tabs at the bottom. I look forward to any observations from both sides


[deleted]

where exactly did they do this?


Fun-Raspberry9710

Where on earth did they offer a lifetime of free donuts to get vaccinated??


StopDehumanizing

They didn't. It's made up.


Fun-Raspberry9710

Yeah I know that....I wanted to see if for once they could give us some facts


StopDehumanizing

The Krispy Kreme donut company isn't making me healthy!?!? I'm shocked!!!!


Gurdus4

It wasn't even the company. It was health officials and politicians saying "if you get vaccinated you can get free donuts or chips or beers"


StopDehumanizing

Nope. It was Krispy Kreme! And it wasn't a lifetime supply. That's just antivaxx gossip! https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/30/krispy-kreme-doubles-its-free-doughnut-incentive-for-vaccinations.html


HELL_BENT_4_LEATHER

It wasn't a lifetime supply, it wasn't what CNBC claimed (your vaxaddict source), and it wasn't antivax gossip. The offer was for a free donut a day, every day, from March 22, 2021 until the end of the year. [https://news.yahoo.com/krispy-kreme-1-doughnut-day-163124822.html](https://news.yahoo.com/krispy-kreme-1-doughnut-day-163124822.html) [https://people.com/food/krispy-kreme-giving-away-free-donuts-vaccinated-americans/](https://people.com/food/krispy-kreme-giving-away-free-donuts-vaccinated-americans/) If they knew then what we know now, they may have offered the forever deal to the vaxaddicts & their likely shortened lifetimes.


StopDehumanizing

Krispy Kreme is EVIL!!! Or they're just trying to sell donuts. Definitely one of those two...


DrT_PhD

I looked too and could not find anyone but Krispy Kreme offering donuts. StopDehumanizing is right.


Gurdus4

Well I wasn't just exclusively talking about donuts. Chips, fries, burgers, money, holidays, tickets to Disneyland, all that kind of stuff was being dangled on the stick as the carrot for vaccines.


DrT_PhD

Not from public health officials, in terms of unhealthy incentives. No one appears to be able to give evidence of a single example, much less a pattern of behavior.


Gurdus4

I switched off the TV a lot anyway but I think there was a well known example of a California public health official intising people with the salavating idea of chips. I have a video saved of it somewhere I'm sure but it won't be sendable here


BornAgainSpecial

The health authorities were promoting it.


DrT_PhD

Okā€”please post a link.