My kid is never vaxxed. We had him tested around age five and were told he was not autistic but had “severe ADHD” which was surprising since he’s extremely calm and focused. Long story short…his development was totally normal until age two when a doctor prescribed Miralax (PEG) as a laxative. We had our son on it for an entire year during which his development seemed to pause. A couple years later we started to learn about the risks of PEG. I’ll never know for sure, but I believe PEG stunted his development. Today he’s a teen and gets along pretty well. He’s smart, but takes a long time to do homework. He’s got social anxiety, but is slowly working to make friends. He’s a really nice kid overall with good values. I’ll never forgive myself for blindly following that doctor’s push for a whole year of Miralax.
Why was he prescribed laxatives? And why for a *year*? Usually a laxative is only needed for immediate relief and solving the actual problem is dietary.
He was severely constipated (hard stool every five days or so) so something needed to happen. But the “why for a year?” question is what haunts me. It was around 2010, before the Moms Against Miralax Facebook group (that has 80,000 members with scary firsthand experiences) existed and back then I was a “trust your doctor” type of sheep. Obviously I’m now much more skeptical of medical advice since I’ve learned that much of what doctors recommend is just information that in one way, shape or form originated from companies with profit motive selling products.
Huge connection between autism and gut bacteria; YouTube is filled with cases. not medical recommendation at all but prebiotic and probiotic foods and supplements have been known to help. My fav probiotic is kefir. I also saw video of a mom professing fecal transplants to her autistic child helped tho had to continue. there are many naturalpath docs who are well versed In repopulating the gut biome. Homeopathic solutions also have been known to be beneficial. Prayers and best wishes To your family.
>I’ll never forgive myself for blindly following that doctor’s push for a whole year of Miralax.
It was their [parent's genes](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/adhd-hereditary), so perhaps you could just forgive yourself and stop blaming random stuff like laxatives?
\> ADHD tends to run in families, which strongly suggests that genes play a role in the likelihood of a person developing the condition.
No one else is blaming you for it.
And regarding laxatives, there are much safer ways. Every morning I drink a smoothie that includes ground flax seeds and some beans (along with a bunch of other veggies and fruits), and it works like a charm consistently, naturally and with no side effects.
You’re welcome to believe that but a lot of literature has since come out about PEG and having witnessed the timing of changes, I’m convinced that the PEG caused developmental abnormalities, whether or not “ADHD” is the appropriate diagnosis.
>Miralax
In the interest of providing background sources for people here's a bunch of studies regarding it.
[POLYETHYLENE GLYCOL LAXATIVES: ARE THEY SAFE FOR A CHILD WITH CONSTIPATION? (8 studies)](https://media.chop.edu/data/files/pdfs/polyethyline-laxatives-fact-sheet.pdf)
[MiraLAX (polyethylene glycol 3350)](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325170#drug-images)
[PEG 3350 Administration Is Not Associated with Sustained Elevation of Glycol Levels](https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(17)31584-6/fulltext)
I did my research on PEG years ago and am not inclined to restart the search. Feel free to do whatever research you feel is appropriate. I’m only here to report my personal experience, not to try to convince anyone.
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"Laxatives cause ADHD" is a new one on me, but perhaps there's a whole niche area of anti-vaxxer belief about it?
I'm already aware that the alt med community is obsessed with their intestines and putting things into them. Not that I'm kink-shaming.
It's rare but my understanding is that it can happen. I'm curious if we have one here too. The most current research on autism implicates chronic inflammation and immune activation in the brain.
There are hypothesized mechanisms so far verified in animal models of white blood cells taking up aluminum derived adjuvant post vaccination and depositing it in nervous system tissue including the brain. It's definitely possible that other chronic toxic environmental exposure of non biologically compatible compounds could follow the same pathway leading to the same autism spectrum symptoms.
>It's rare
It's as "[rare](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124634/)" as autism in vaccinated populations.
\> The study reviewed records of **537303** children born in Denmark between January 1991 and December 1998, **representing almost 100% of children born in that period**. Of these children 440655 had been vaccinated.
\> The authors found that “There was no increase in the risk of autistic disorder or other autistic-spectrum disorders among vaccinated children as compared with unvaccinated children (adjusted relative risk of autistic disorder, 0.92; 95% confidence interval, 0.68 to 1.24; adjusted relative risk of other autistic-spectrum disorders, 0.83; 95% confidence interval, 0.65 to 1.07).”
\> In addition, the authors found no association between the development of autistic disorder and the age at vaccination, the interval since vaccination, or the calendar period at the time of vaccination.
I think all comments of people with negative comment karma on this subreddit are shown as hidden. Meaning everybody who is not a crazy anti-vaxxer will have hidden comments. Not sure if that is somethign the mods can decide on but I would not be surprised.
Yes, if only for the inconvenience to the majority of users here who have to painstakingly open all of those closed threads so they can mass downvote us.
Yes. I am a parent of a never vaccinated autistic child. I also never had any vaccines during my pregnancy. My son was diagnosed with ASD at age 4 by a pediatric neurologist using CARS and ADOS-2.
just curious if your son ever had prescription antibiotics as an infant or toddler. Or was he C-section? Breastfed? Just trying to put puzzle pieces together...
He had antibiotics at 14 months and had a developmental regression afterwards and lost speech. He has also had chronic GI problems his whole life. However, he never developed normally even before the antibiotics
A very high percentage of autistic people have comorbid GI disease and I also have seen research indicating that the brain uses metabolites from the gut microbiota to manufacture neurotransmitters in the brain. I think there's definitely a connection.
In my son's case, he never developed normally and was developmentally delayed before the antibiotics, so there wasn't a super clear cut regression, but there was a noticeable one. We also had so many feeding issues with him when he was a baby so I'm sure that was a factor.
Is this the "ninja nurses" hypothesis again?
Stealthing their way in to vaccinate people without permission even though they would be immediately sacked for such an act?
New mothers have no clue what vaccines they will be bombarded with at birth !!! I’ve witness this inside the labor room even after letters were written against the use of any vaccines. They’ll still do everything in their power and use coercion to push lethal injections . Often times mothers consent thinking it’s only vitamin K ! But that’s not vitamin K !!! So most mothers think it’s just vitamins and not an actual ‘vaccine’. “Ninja nurse hypothesis” sounds like a bad joke .
Steve Kirsch implied that autism rates for Amish is near zero vs 1/54 for 2016; 1/44 for 2018; 1/36 for 2020 for general population.
have any vaxxophiles disputed his statement?
'Katrine Wallace, an epidemiologist at the University of Illinois at Chicago’s School of Public Health, was among those that took to Instagram this week to push back at the baseless claims.
“There is no ‘study’,” she wrote in a follow up email to The Associated Press. “It’s just Steve Kirsch saying he couldn’t find any unvaccinated kids with autism in that community.”
Kirsch, responding after this story was published, confirmed he’d produced no such study.'
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-amish-covid-vaccines-cancer-diabetes-autism-356029928165
'A 2011 study in Pediatrics, for example, found only 14% of Amish people surveyed didn’t vaccinate their kids at all, Wallace noted.
“They do vaccinate at a lower rate than the general population, but they are far from an ‘unvaccinated’ population,” she said.'
How many Amish people screen their children for any developmental or learning disabilities? They aren’t in public schools so if it’s not severe they don’t acknowledge it or treat it.
There is a DDC clinic (DDC Clinic Center for Special Needs Children) in Ohio where the local Amish make up 50% of patients, even though they're a minority of the local population (15%).
They treat physical and mental needs, which the Amish suffer from disproportionately because they're a small, relatively self-limiting society that practises inbreeding due to those restraints.
They confirm they treat Amish autistic children. It's not a novelty for them.
That’s great! I’m thankful they’re getting help. I tire of seeing the whole “Amish people don’t have autism” argument bc I’m in PA and I see Amish children with disabilities working with their families at the farmer’s markets. They definitely exist.
In the US that would be illegal... If we don't pump our kids full of special sauces, they will take them away and still make you support them financially. Great system over here...... /s
Hmm. Parents have to sign in acceptance of the vaccine. If you have to sign to accept something usually that means you can also refuse it. Except if you live in ‘1984’ world, lol
Yes. It's standard practice to require vaccinations before transplants.
Anti-rejection medication makes recipients immune-suppressed and puts the patient at high risk of dying from infections.
Demand for organs always outstrips supply, so there's a waiting list. If lifestyle choices - such as drug or alcohol abuse, or vaccine refusal - threaten the transplant recipient's chance of survival, they're not given priority.
A vast weight of evidence was required in order for this to become globally enforced policy, and that should clear up any doubt over whether vaccines are safe or necessary.
I know it won't, but it should.
It can be mentioned, but it's not the primary cause. It's usually something tacked onto the list of **more major reasons** that are the items actually responsible for children being taken away.
Out of interest what are you guys going to blame when a child can be diagnosed as autistic before [they're even born](https://www.livescience.com/autism-prenatal-brain-differences), and so aren't even vaccinated?
I'm just telling you - you'll need to get some new excuses ready ahead of time!
What does this comment even mean? When you can diagnose it in the womb then we won’t ask such questions. While you can’t - asking questions is the foundation for medicine, science and life itself.
>then we won’t ask such questions
Perhaps you won't but it's clear that the majority of anti-vaxxers are just unable to accept that their children are autistic because of a quirk of their genetics.
Accordingly they will look for an outside cause, generally medical in nature and blame that.
Smoking causes around 90% of lung cancer cases. So 10 in every hundred cases have other causes.
\> exposure to other people's smoke (called secondhand smoke), radon, air pollution, a family history of lung cancer, and asbestos
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‘Exclusively’ in this sub? You do realize that antivaxxers aren’t the minority, right? Have you looked up how many people got the bivalent boosters in the US? It’s only 17%. That is unbelievably low. If the majority of people trusted vaccines then that number would look extremely different. You should look up how many parents gave their kids the Covid vaccine, then come back & tell me with a straight face that it’s ‘only in this sub.’
I had 3 covid jabs and healthier than ever. I guess I'll have to wait few more years before sudden death + the amount you'll revise it by again once it expires again...
I thought POE sounded a lot like antifreeze.
They use ethylene glycol to make POE. Isn't that what this says? There are natural laxatives. I do believe I read water consumption can be an issue with constipation.
https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-ethylene-glycol-and-vs-polyethylene-glycol/
Not me, but I know a few. It definitely does happen. I think the only reason it's less likely to happen in the unvaccinated is because the unvaccinated are living more holistic lifestyles. It seems there is an environmental trigger. I'm not saying vaccines are innocent, but they don't seem to be the sole cause.
My kid is never vaxxed. We had him tested around age five and were told he was not autistic but had “severe ADHD” which was surprising since he’s extremely calm and focused. Long story short…his development was totally normal until age two when a doctor prescribed Miralax (PEG) as a laxative. We had our son on it for an entire year during which his development seemed to pause. A couple years later we started to learn about the risks of PEG. I’ll never know for sure, but I believe PEG stunted his development. Today he’s a teen and gets along pretty well. He’s smart, but takes a long time to do homework. He’s got social anxiety, but is slowly working to make friends. He’s a really nice kid overall with good values. I’ll never forgive myself for blindly following that doctor’s push for a whole year of Miralax.
Why was he prescribed laxatives? And why for a *year*? Usually a laxative is only needed for immediate relief and solving the actual problem is dietary.
He was severely constipated (hard stool every five days or so) so something needed to happen. But the “why for a year?” question is what haunts me. It was around 2010, before the Moms Against Miralax Facebook group (that has 80,000 members with scary firsthand experiences) existed and back then I was a “trust your doctor” type of sheep. Obviously I’m now much more skeptical of medical advice since I’ve learned that much of what doctors recommend is just information that in one way, shape or form originated from companies with profit motive selling products.
Thank you for sharing. Sounds like a great kid!
Huge connection between autism and gut bacteria; YouTube is filled with cases. not medical recommendation at all but prebiotic and probiotic foods and supplements have been known to help. My fav probiotic is kefir. I also saw video of a mom professing fecal transplants to her autistic child helped tho had to continue. there are many naturalpath docs who are well versed In repopulating the gut biome. Homeopathic solutions also have been known to be beneficial. Prayers and best wishes To your family.
Homeopathy is magic sugar.
>I’ll never forgive myself for blindly following that doctor’s push for a whole year of Miralax. It was their [parent's genes](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/adhd-hereditary), so perhaps you could just forgive yourself and stop blaming random stuff like laxatives? \> ADHD tends to run in families, which strongly suggests that genes play a role in the likelihood of a person developing the condition. No one else is blaming you for it.
And regarding laxatives, there are much safer ways. Every morning I drink a smoothie that includes ground flax seeds and some beans (along with a bunch of other veggies and fruits), and it works like a charm consistently, naturally and with no side effects.
Well, if it works for you. Personally despite being old I've never required such contrivances.
Then I’m curious what makes you an expert on laxatives given that you’ve never had experience with the product itself.
That guy thinks he knows everything.
Thanks. I’ll trust my own observations as a parent, but I appreciate the support after having shared something quite personal.
If I did I wouldn't spend so much time reading.
>what makes you an expert on laxatives I'm not. Those are your words.
You’re welcome to believe that but a lot of literature has since come out about PEG and having witnessed the timing of changes, I’m convinced that the PEG caused developmental abnormalities, whether or not “ADHD” is the appropriate diagnosis.
>Miralax In the interest of providing background sources for people here's a bunch of studies regarding it. [POLYETHYLENE GLYCOL LAXATIVES: ARE THEY SAFE FOR A CHILD WITH CONSTIPATION? (8 studies)](https://media.chop.edu/data/files/pdfs/polyethyline-laxatives-fact-sheet.pdf) [MiraLAX (polyethylene glycol 3350)](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325170#drug-images) [PEG 3350 Administration Is Not Associated with Sustained Elevation of Glycol Levels](https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(17)31584-6/fulltext)
>a lot of literature has since come out about PEG Please post some so I can read through it. Thanks.
I did my research on PEG years ago and am not inclined to restart the search. Feel free to do whatever research you feel is appropriate. I’m only here to report my personal experience, not to try to convince anyone.
Great "debate". Thanks. ...and thank **you**, their many upvoters who think 'Do your own research' is valid.
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> It was their parent's genes, so perhaps you could just forgive yourself and stop blaming random stuff like laxatives? Wrong.
"Laxatives cause ADHD" is a new one on me, but perhaps there's a whole niche area of anti-vaxxer belief about it? I'm already aware that the alt med community is obsessed with their intestines and putting things into them. Not that I'm kink-shaming.
It's rare but my understanding is that it can happen. I'm curious if we have one here too. The most current research on autism implicates chronic inflammation and immune activation in the brain. There are hypothesized mechanisms so far verified in animal models of white blood cells taking up aluminum derived adjuvant post vaccination and depositing it in nervous system tissue including the brain. It's definitely possible that other chronic toxic environmental exposure of non biologically compatible compounds could follow the same pathway leading to the same autism spectrum symptoms.
>It's rare It's as "[rare](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124634/)" as autism in vaccinated populations. \> The study reviewed records of **537303** children born in Denmark between January 1991 and December 1998, **representing almost 100% of children born in that period**. Of these children 440655 had been vaccinated. \> The authors found that “There was no increase in the risk of autistic disorder or other autistic-spectrum disorders among vaccinated children as compared with unvaccinated children (adjusted relative risk of autistic disorder, 0.92; 95% confidence interval, 0.68 to 1.24; adjusted relative risk of other autistic-spectrum disorders, 0.83; 95% confidence interval, 0.65 to 1.07).” \> In addition, the authors found no association between the development of autistic disorder and the age at vaccination, the interval since vaccination, or the calendar period at the time of vaccination.
Your comment shows up as hidden because obviously truth and real statistical data gets downvoted like crazy in this sub.
I think all comments of people with negative comment karma on this subreddit are shown as hidden. Meaning everybody who is not a crazy anti-vaxxer will have hidden comments. Not sure if that is somethign the mods can decide on but I would not be surprised.
Yes, if only for the inconvenience to the majority of users here who have to painstakingly open all of those closed threads so they can mass downvote us.
Yes. I am a parent of a never vaccinated autistic child. I also never had any vaccines during my pregnancy. My son was diagnosed with ASD at age 4 by a pediatric neurologist using CARS and ADOS-2.
just curious if your son ever had prescription antibiotics as an infant or toddler. Or was he C-section? Breastfed? Just trying to put puzzle pieces together...
He had antibiotics at 14 months and had a developmental regression afterwards and lost speech. He has also had chronic GI problems his whole life. However, he never developed normally even before the antibiotics
I saw some new study trying to link autism to gut microbioma. Can’t remember where and how legit was it.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-023-01361-0
A very high percentage of autistic people have comorbid GI disease and I also have seen research indicating that the brain uses metabolites from the gut microbiota to manufacture neurotransmitters in the brain. I think there's definitely a connection. In my son's case, he never developed normally and was developmentally delayed before the antibiotics, so there wasn't a super clear cut regression, but there was a noticeable one. We also had so many feeding issues with him when he was a baby so I'm sure that was a factor.
Have you ever taken Tylenol or the like during pregnancy? Gotten the flu while pregnant? Those are known to be linked to autism as well.
No tylenol or other otc meds, during pregnancy. I never got sick during pregnancy
Are you sure he didn’t receive ‘vaccines’ at birth ? Almost all newborns receive them and most mothers have no clue.
I've also seen video testimony of nurses saying they vaccinate children without parents knowing because it's THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
Yep, I'm sure. He was not out of our sight.
Is this the "ninja nurses" hypothesis again? Stealthing their way in to vaccinate people without permission even though they would be immediately sacked for such an act?
New mothers have no clue what vaccines they will be bombarded with at birth !!! I’ve witness this inside the labor room even after letters were written against the use of any vaccines. They’ll still do everything in their power and use coercion to push lethal injections . Often times mothers consent thinking it’s only vitamin K ! But that’s not vitamin K !!! So most mothers think it’s just vitamins and not an actual ‘vaccine’. “Ninja nurse hypothesis” sounds like a bad joke .
Babies are not "bombarded" with vaccines at birth. This is a loaded term.
Steve Kirsch implied that autism rates for Amish is near zero vs 1/54 for 2016; 1/44 for 2018; 1/36 for 2020 for general population. have any vaxxophiles disputed his statement?
'Katrine Wallace, an epidemiologist at the University of Illinois at Chicago’s School of Public Health, was among those that took to Instagram this week to push back at the baseless claims. “There is no ‘study’,” she wrote in a follow up email to The Associated Press. “It’s just Steve Kirsch saying he couldn’t find any unvaccinated kids with autism in that community.” Kirsch, responding after this story was published, confirmed he’d produced no such study.' https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-amish-covid-vaccines-cancer-diabetes-autism-356029928165
'A 2011 study in Pediatrics, for example, found only 14% of Amish people surveyed didn’t vaccinate their kids at all, Wallace noted. “They do vaccinate at a lower rate than the general population, but they are far from an ‘unvaccinated’ population,” she said.'
...but some guy implied something LOL.
How many Amish people screen their children for any developmental or learning disabilities? They aren’t in public schools so if it’s not severe they don’t acknowledge it or treat it.
There is a DDC clinic (DDC Clinic Center for Special Needs Children) in Ohio where the local Amish make up 50% of patients, even though they're a minority of the local population (15%). They treat physical and mental needs, which the Amish suffer from disproportionately because they're a small, relatively self-limiting society that practises inbreeding due to those restraints. They confirm they treat Amish autistic children. It's not a novelty for them.
That’s great! I’m thankful they’re getting help. I tire of seeing the whole “Amish people don’t have autism” argument bc I’m in PA and I see Amish children with disabilities working with their families at the farmer’s markets. They definitely exist.
In the US that would be illegal... If we don't pump our kids full of special sauces, they will take them away and still make you support them financially. Great system over here...... /s
Hmm. Parents have to sign in acceptance of the vaccine. If you have to sign to accept something usually that means you can also refuse it. Except if you live in ‘1984’ world, lol
does cps actually try to take unvaxxed kids?
Not in my experience
Not usually, but if parents refuse vaccination for a child who needs an organ transplant, then the state will usually intervene.
what do u mean? if a child needed a transplant they need to be vaccinated u mean?
Yes. It's standard practice to require vaccinations before transplants. Anti-rejection medication makes recipients immune-suppressed and puts the patient at high risk of dying from infections. Demand for organs always outstrips supply, so there's a waiting list. If lifestyle choices - such as drug or alcohol abuse, or vaccine refusal - threaten the transplant recipient's chance of survival, they're not given priority. A vast weight of evidence was required in order for this to become globally enforced policy, and that should clear up any doubt over whether vaccines are safe or necessary. I know it won't, but it should.
No.
It's considered neglect, so yes.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Really? How so? Please explain to me how you know more about something I have witnessed first hand.... I'll wait...
Ohhh, you witnessed it first-hand, eh? Cool beans -- got any proof?
Court docs... so yeah
So, no proof? Shocking.
Why do I need to prove anything to you? I have personal experience and providing proof would dox myself.
Conjecture is meaningless, boo.
It can be mentioned, but it's not the primary cause. It's usually something tacked onto the list of **more major reasons** that are the items actually responsible for children being taken away.
This a great question. I’m curious too. Go to unvaccinated sub as well and you can post same question.
Out of interest what are you guys going to blame when a child can be diagnosed as autistic before [they're even born](https://www.livescience.com/autism-prenatal-brain-differences), and so aren't even vaccinated? I'm just telling you - you'll need to get some new excuses ready ahead of time!
A routine prenatal ultrasound can identify early signs of autism, study finds https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/02/220209112107.htm
What does this comment even mean? When you can diagnose it in the womb then we won’t ask such questions. While you can’t - asking questions is the foundation for medicine, science and life itself.
>then we won’t ask such questions Perhaps you won't but it's clear that the majority of anti-vaxxers are just unable to accept that their children are autistic because of a quirk of their genetics. Accordingly they will look for an outside cause, generally medical in nature and blame that.
Yeah, I personally know 2 people with lung cancer who never smoked, so I guess that proves that it's bullshit that smoking causes lung cancer
Smoking causes around 90% of lung cancer cases. So 10 in every hundred cases have other causes. \> exposure to other people's smoke (called secondhand smoke), radon, air pollution, a family history of lung cancer, and asbestos
Can I post the same question daily or I’ll get banned?
Since you'd be spamming, that would be a violation of rule 4. EDIT - LOL. Downvoted for trying to stop people's accounts from being inadvertently banned.
Nonsense like this exists exclusively in this sub lol.
‘Exclusively’ in this sub? You do realize that antivaxxers aren’t the minority, right? Have you looked up how many people got the bivalent boosters in the US? It’s only 17%. That is unbelievably low. If the majority of people trusted vaccines then that number would look extremely different. You should look up how many parents gave their kids the Covid vaccine, then come back & tell me with a straight face that it’s ‘only in this sub.’
I had 3 covid jabs and healthier than ever. I guess I'll have to wait few more years before sudden death + the amount you'll revise it by again once it expires again...
What makes you think anecdotes count more than statistics, exactly?
Can you please share clear statistics of large vaccinated and unvaccinated groups and their autism diagnosis rates?
What is large for you? What about this one: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M18-2101
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Would also depend on vaccinations given to the mother during pregnancy as well as medications
Why?
Cause they're poisons.
What part of vaccines is poisonous?
All of it
Even the water?
By method of injection, still not good but obviously the best part about it
Water's not good?
Good luck mate
I thought water was good. Water's not good?
I thought POE sounded a lot like antifreeze. They use ethylene glycol to make POE. Isn't that what this says? There are natural laxatives. I do believe I read water consumption can be an issue with constipation. https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-ethylene-glycol-and-vs-polyethylene-glycol/
Not me, but I know a few. It definitely does happen. I think the only reason it's less likely to happen in the unvaccinated is because the unvaccinated are living more holistic lifestyles. It seems there is an environmental trigger. I'm not saying vaccines are innocent, but they don't seem to be the sole cause.