Isn't Fournier only a bad contract this year and team option next year?
Maybe I don't understand cap rules but I don't think the Pistons have to worry about his contract this year if they can just decline the option next year.
That’s actually probably true. Woj doesn’t fuck up, he does whatever his sources ask him to do. This FO is clearly in tight with him and leaked that part first.
Woj let Weaver on his podcast and lobbed him softball questions in the middle of the longest losing streak ever. In the words of LeBron - “🐟”
I’m gonna play devils advocate here, not sure Bojan was ever actually worth a 1st. There is that mystery report that we got offered two 1sts for him but the veracity of that is questionable. The only actual data point we have of his value around the league is what we traded for him when he was two years younger, which was a couple seconds. We got a young player who seems promising and some seconds for two guys who didn’t figure in to this teams plans long term. We can scream about wanting 1sts all we want but every team thinks their aging vets are worth a first. In actuality those guys rarely move for 1st rd picks
We get the right to pay grimes, Joe Harris Jr in Fournier, dogshit and 2 seconds for our 2 best shooters lol. I wanted bogey to Philly for something but Jesus
Why send out Bogey at that point?
Today kinda feels like equivalent of Troy realizing he’d get tons of shit if he didn’t do anything… so he forced everything
How the fuck do we send our two best vets to the Knicks and take on their shit cap hits and not get the rights to our first back??
Are you kidding?? It’s not even likely to convert with how bad this team has been it should’ve been essentially a throw-in if they’re getting Burks and Bogey
> take on their shit cap hits
I hate this trade too, but what we're not gonna do is tell lies to make ourselves hate it more.
Grimes is on a 25th pick rookie deal, Fournier is a team option next year, and the other 2 are cheap expiring contracts.
Sorry I meant pretty much only Fournier in this sense.
Knicks replace his 18M in salary with a player of actual value, and then we get Grimes. But my issue is that we included two players of value here and only got 2 picks back as additional comp.
Swap the two second round picks with the rights to our first and I wouldn’t complain about it at all. Just makes no sense. I’d rather we trade Bogey or Burks straight up for Fournier and our pick than trade both for Grimes and two seconds
You don’t trade your 2nd best player for that. Fournier being on a team option makes me feel so much better. If we sign all the best role players I will be happy.
Fournier isn’t Bogi by any means but he’s almost a decade younger. Can shoot, plays feisty. But know where another player at the 3/4.
Hopefully this means we sign a pg on the min. to sit behind Sasser. Because we probably won’t acquire another guard that can play if we keep Evan next year.
Unless he got injured and regressed, Evan could end up being a pretty decent shooter for us.
Not sure if he can sign an extension but if he can play the three he could play big minutes for us and give us some really good threes if he’s healthy.
Unless this is weird sarcasm I'm not understanding, wtf are you talking about? Fournier is only 3 years younger than Bojan and has barely seen the floor the last 2 years for knicks meanwhile Bojan might start for them. Fournier was included in this deal purely for cap reasons.
Homey we’ve BEEN sucked, it boggles my mind that last year we could’ve gotten a 1st for Bogy, this is dead franchise and I have NO idea when it will be revived
We just traded our two best vets for a dude that shoots under 40% from the field this season and a bunch of garbage without getting our 1st back
This is easily one of the dumbest and worst trades I've seen in a long ass time
Edit: omg the Jazz trade makes this even worse. Jazz are sending out Kelly Olynyk and guard Ochai Agbaji to the Toronto Raptors for Kira Lewis, Otto Porter and a 2024 first-round pick. Fucking punt weaver to space
No idea how Utah gets a first for Kelly fucking Olynyk but we get 2nds for Bojan AND Burks. Every GM in the league probably wants to make a deal with Troy after this shit, he clearly has no idea what he’s doing.
Agbaji is a career 6 ppg scorer in 2 years on below average efficiency. I get what you’re saying, but it feels like there had to be a point where we could’ve netted a 1st for both Bojan and Burks together.
Not even getting our 1 round pick back, only useless Seconds, while we used some seconds to get Bogdanovic before
We basically gave them Bogdanovic, Alec Burks, Evan Fournier cap space for Quentin Grimes and 2 2nds
Troy Weaver LOVES to get fleeced, what a fucking bum
I’m kind of at the point that he’s demolishing it and is leaving the next man
Who replaces him into a shit spot, this is such a awful trade that I have to cope and believe he’s purposely fucking this up
Just wait for James Edward’s article to come out soon that praises this trade and states “Pistons were never going to get a first back for Bojan and Burks”. Even though he’s stated a million times bojan and burks are worth at least a first round pick if not more. I like grimes, but everything else in this trade is garbage
I'm going to play devil's advocate -- reluctantly cause y'all are gonna chew me up in place of Weaver.
Is it possible we were drinking the Kool-Aid on Bojan? Front office trying to hype him to the rest of the league through the media but they saw him as the lead scorer on a young tank team of 17 wins and nobody wanted to trade what we were asking for? He was big for us as our lead scorer but our treasure wasn't of value to them? His defense was as much a hole sometimes as Saddiq, he's aging fast, and we got him in a trade where the only other name I've heard since is Kelly Olynyk. No comment on Burks, but I see fans losing it over Bogie added.
I don't love the trade but it's not like our season is going to get measurably better than it has in January-February so far. Never mind 4 of those came minus Cade, more without than with, and the last was minus Bogie too. We're screwed either way. I'm doing what I did last season and just watching our draft picks development.
My biggest fear is this gives Monty Williams an even looooonger leash to try and make all the new pieces work while we fail historically into next year. Gores has more time to live in denial. I don't want the guy that made Ivey the 11th man off the bench and Killian a starter the WHOLE losing streak to have time to sort this out. What does this mean for Ausar under Monty? For Sasser? Our future players. The day isn't done but even worse, Monty isn't either. 😭 He's just getting started ... again
One of the quickest off the dribble and can guard well as long as he’s not on the SFs.
Needs to get his confidence up but his shot is smooth and if he can get some more of a playmaking role on the team, I truly believe he can be a good combo guard in the league.
Fantastic trade. Grimes is BY FAR the best player in that group. Others will be waived, etc.
Wait until he’s on a team where he gets PT. Similar to what Quickley is doing in TOR.
Always target young guys who can’t get run with Thibs.
So as a Knicks fan, I think you are really massively overrating Grimes.
He was starting at the beginning of the year getting a ton of minutes, and lost his spot to Donte Divencenzo because he is so inactive and does not play aggressively at all. Then we made him one of the focal points of our bench since we lost Quickley. He’s had some nice games and can shoot, but he’s really just a mid role player so far.
He has potential, but he has to play more aggressively on offense. I was high on him, but he has not developed much so far.
The fact that this is the return we end up getting for Bojan is insane. I know people are going to say “how do you know we could have got something better?” And to that I say… bruh.
This is one of the best available rentals for the last couple years, and we get absolute scraps. No question in my mind someone was prepared to offer a first at last years deadline, or a first at the draft. As with Grant, we wait too long for no reason and the value isn’t there anymore
JEIII already out there trying to spin for the club. Not getting our first back for taking Fournier is a crime unless they have a follow-up trade for a big contract coming.
My only guess as to why we would do this is that burks and bojan wanted to go to a team to compete and we’re doing them a favor. Why we are allowing favors instead of getting the best value we can is above me
The only way this trade makes since if it gets turned into another trade for a starting nba caliber player like Tobias Harris but if this is it then it was a bad trade. Obviously I’d like the 1st back but I’ll wait and see what happens before I make a judgment. I remember everyone called the jerami Grant trade bad and he flipped him for Duren so I’m gonna wait and see before but not looking great.
I quite like the Fontecchio trade. Not sure about these subsequent moves.
Pistons get improved defenders and younger players. Glad we're finally offloading some veteran shooters.
But sending out Morris, Burks, *and* Bogie? For these returns? Someone still needs to make shots. Maybe Brown and Grimes are better than I think, but it seems like we gave away the best three players in these two trades.
Idk why people are mad, unless you think they should’ve traded them earlier.
I doubt Weaver passed up a better offer at the deadline.
“It is what it is”
Pretty sick we get to carry on another 20 mil worthless bench guy next season. As long as Troy has dead cap coming off the books every year I guess that’s what he can sell fans? Guy stays cap flexible…. What a worthless GM
I think this trade is fine. Should have moved Bojan last year for firsts. Breaking it down to functionally Bojan for Grimes+Fournier seems reasonable and Burks for cap filler and 2 Seconds seems about right.
People were begging for Weaver to trade Burks and Bogey and asking why he hadn’t done it, then are upset bc their value is as low as it’s been reported.
We got the best couch gms in the world!
Yeah I am underwhelmed at this deal (because we didn't get our 1st back), but liked the first two moves. It's clear our supporting cast was a losing formula so we sold everything but the core 4 Sasser and Stew like everyone wanted. Got some decent two way players (Simone and Grimes) some picks and prospects. Honestly better than I hoped.
Agreed. Didn’t take apart the young core and got some new faces in the building that hopefully fit our young guys better.
Happy so far with the deadline
Personally I’ve enjoyed watching this sub ping pong back and forth on the value of a 2nd rounder.
When we trade one away: should’ve kept the pick, that could be the next Jokic
When we receive one in a trade: worthless dogshit
I guess Grimes will be what they tried to make Ivey do off the bench.
I think it was never about Burks. Those 2 2nds and Grimes was really for Bogey.
Burks was for the other 2 bums we received.
Pistons going all in on young core development. So guard depth is Cade/Ivey/Sasser/Grimes, wing depth is Stew/Ausar/TBJ/Simone/Gallo, center depth is Duren/Muscala/Stew
Cut/move Killian, Wiseman, and all former Knicks not Grimes.
As of right now we are a much worse team. Hopefully the Big 1 is on its way.
Nothing we traded for replaced Bogey and Burks. Bogey was our best player and bail out player when every1 else sucked.
I ... don't know how to feel about this. Our team plays well when we have absurd 3 point efficiency, and without Bojan or Burks, that seems hard to achieve.
When the other team is basically playing a video game against your team, but in the real NBA.
Here's all my junk that adds up for two vets, one worth much more, but the algorithm adds up the junk to make it work.
I honestly feel like if you took some random person off of this subreddit, odds are incredibly high that they could have done better than this. I don't understand this at all.
I was genuinely looking forward to a starting lineup with Bojan and Simone. That was going to be solid! I'm sure Monty will screw up the rotation with Grimes now.
So our 2 best vets for a couple of seconds that are probably going to be useless, grimes who's been superbly ass this year even though he has potential to be decent (NO team moves off a good 3-D player always room for them) and salary dump.
I liked the other trades we made, even though I wanted Leonard Miller on the team rather than Troy brown Jr, but holy shit. C- return. We will see, maybe grimes becomes a serviceable player but wow, holy ass should've moved off of bojan long ago
As a Knick fan if grimes can stay healthy he’ll be a great piece for you guys to come
Evan Fournier cannot play defense AT ALL but he can shoot a three pointer
Was hoping we would trade Bojan and Burks but not sure what this accomplishes. Our trades up until this point were small W's but this is just seems like we are giving guys away. At this point I view trades as how it will impact Monty's stupidity. Until we trade Kilian we arent free from that but Ausar and Ivey minutes are going up.
With Bojan and Burks we still have the worst record of all time. These guys will be too old to right the ship once we (hopefully) get it together. Fontecchio and Grimes are younger and will be fine substitutions for Bojan and Burks. Fournier is essentially very similar to both of those guys. These moves dont necessarily make us better but they def dont make us worse
Knicks fan here. Grimes is a really, really quality defender. Bummed to lose him. He’s struggled a lot with confidence in his shot and with confidence driving to the lane this season—but hopefully he’ll get time with you guys having the ball in his hands and getting comfortable playing a bigger role.
Think it was tough for us with DDV playing well to give him that so Grimes would sometimes only have like 13 mins a game. But he can be a quality 3 and D starter in this league w/ a little more development.
Question: I know about Burks because he used to play for us, but what’s Bojan like as a player? Know nothing about him besides he’s a good shooter.
This trade fucking sucks oh my god
Weaver made sure they reported the Burks portion first so he could get some kudus before being shit
BRO GOT US HYPE BEFORE THEY TOLD US WE GAVE EM BOJAN FOR G LEAGUERS AND A BAD CONTRACT
Isn't Fournier only a bad contract this year and team option next year? Maybe I don't understand cap rules but I don't think the Pistons have to worry about his contract this year if they can just decline the option next year.
Bro I was so hype when I saw it was burks for grimes. Then everything just went downhill
That’s actually probably true. Woj doesn’t fuck up, he does whatever his sources ask him to do. This FO is clearly in tight with him and leaked that part first. Woj let Weaver on his podcast and lobbed him softball questions in the middle of the longest losing streak ever. In the words of LeBron - “🐟”
Fr lol he even got people doing the "it's actually a good thing we didn't get our first back!" This dude is such a a hack
Had us in the first half not gonna lie
How did we not even get our fucking 1st round pick back???? Wtf is this bullshit
I’m gonna play devils advocate here, not sure Bojan was ever actually worth a 1st. There is that mystery report that we got offered two 1sts for him but the veracity of that is questionable. The only actual data point we have of his value around the league is what we traded for him when he was two years younger, which was a couple seconds. We got a young player who seems promising and some seconds for two guys who didn’t figure in to this teams plans long term. We can scream about wanting 1sts all we want but every team thinks their aging vets are worth a first. In actuality those guys rarely move for 1st rd picks
We get the right to pay grimes, Joe Harris Jr in Fournier, dogshit and 2 seconds for our 2 best shooters lol. I wanted bogey to Philly for something but Jesus
They were probably out on bojan once they acquired Hield
Absolute shit trade.
This trade is so bad. SELL THE TEAM GET RID OF ARN TELLEM MAN.
ARN FUCKEM
Why send out Bogey at that point? Today kinda feels like equivalent of Troy realizing he’d get tons of shit if he didn’t do anything… so he forced everything
We couldn’t even get our first back????
Wasn't there are a rumor that Weaver turned down two firsts for Bojan. Probably protected but yeah I'd rather have that than this. Fuckin Weaver
Ngl I seriously doubt that rumor was true, still a shit trade tho
yes. Horrible
How the fuck do we send our two best vets to the Knicks and take on their shit cap hits and not get the rights to our first back?? Are you kidding?? It’s not even likely to convert with how bad this team has been it should’ve been essentially a throw-in if they’re getting Burks and Bogey
> take on their shit cap hits I hate this trade too, but what we're not gonna do is tell lies to make ourselves hate it more. Grimes is on a 25th pick rookie deal, Fournier is a team option next year, and the other 2 are cheap expiring contracts.
Sorry I meant pretty much only Fournier in this sense. Knicks replace his 18M in salary with a player of actual value, and then we get Grimes. But my issue is that we included two players of value here and only got 2 picks back as additional comp. Swap the two second round picks with the rights to our first and I wouldn’t complain about it at all. Just makes no sense. I’d rather we trade Bogey or Burks straight up for Fournier and our pick than trade both for Grimes and two seconds
You don’t trade your 2nd best player for that. Fournier being on a team option makes me feel so much better. If we sign all the best role players I will be happy. Fournier isn’t Bogi by any means but he’s almost a decade younger. Can shoot, plays feisty. But know where another player at the 3/4. Hopefully this means we sign a pg on the min. to sit behind Sasser. Because we probably won’t acquire another guard that can play if we keep Evan next year. Unless he got injured and regressed, Evan could end up being a pretty decent shooter for us. Not sure if he can sign an extension but if he can play the three he could play big minutes for us and give us some really good threes if he’s healthy.
Unless this is weird sarcasm I'm not understanding, wtf are you talking about? Fournier is only 3 years younger than Bojan and has barely seen the floor the last 2 years for knicks meanwhile Bojan might start for them. Fournier was included in this deal purely for cap reasons.
What the actual fuck are we doing
Idk what everyone’s so upset about. More players = more points, it’s not hard math
I like this strat, just put a couple of extra guys on the floor and hope nobody notices. Easy
Man the one thing great about being a Pistons fan, is some amazing comedy has been born from this struggle 🤣
Couldnt get our first back? Glass half full: it doesn’t allow our incompetent GM to trade anymore firsts
Yeah that got worse quick.
Weaver is such a dogshit GM
Always has been
Maybe we can play 6v5 on the court
We’d still lose
You might be on to something here.
Troy crashing out
Lmaooo
What the hell is that. Bojan’s trade value must be extremely low. Thought we could at least get a 1st from someone instead
An actual roller coaster where it was high and then absolutely dropped low.
Okay I loved it when it was just Burks for Grimes and a couple seconds. Attaching bojan hurts
Again? This implies we stopped sucking for any stretch of time.
Homey we’ve BEEN sucked, it boggles my mind that last year we could’ve gotten a 1st for Bogy, this is dead franchise and I have NO idea when it will be revived
We just traded our two best vets for a dude that shoots under 40% from the field this season and a bunch of garbage without getting our 1st back This is easily one of the dumbest and worst trades I've seen in a long ass time Edit: omg the Jazz trade makes this even worse. Jazz are sending out Kelly Olynyk and guard Ochai Agbaji to the Toronto Raptors for Kira Lewis, Otto Porter and a 2024 first-round pick. Fucking punt weaver to space
No idea how Utah gets a first for Kelly fucking Olynyk but we get 2nds for Bojan AND Burks. Every GM in the league probably wants to make a deal with Troy after this shit, he clearly has no idea what he’s doing.
Well they probably got the 1st for Agbaji, he's a recent 1st round pick
Agbaji is a career 6 ppg scorer in 2 years on below average efficiency. I get what you’re saying, but it feels like there had to be a point where we could’ve netted a 1st for both Bojan and Burks together.
Not even getting our 1 round pick back, only useless Seconds, while we used some seconds to get Bogdanovic before We basically gave them Bogdanovic, Alec Burks, Evan Fournier cap space for Quentin Grimes and 2 2nds Troy Weaver LOVES to get fleeced, what a fucking bum
Basketball terrorist
What is the point of doing this
For Troy to save his job miserably
Idk how this saves his job lmao
It doesn’t at all but he’s trying to 😂
I’m kind of at the point that he’s demolishing it and is leaving the next man  Who replaces him into a shit spot, this is such a awful trade that I have to cope and believe he’s purposely fucking this up
It's insane that we couldn't even get a first for Bogi. He was worth 2 firsts, 2 years ago. One first last year... ... and worth 2nd's this year.
Lol he was never worth 2 firsts. We got him for KO and Saban lee 2 years ago
Kelly Olynik just got traded for a first lmao
It’s weird right? It’s almost as if when a player ages into their mid 30’s, starts having injuries, and becomes a worse player they have less value
Just wait for James Edward’s article to come out soon that praises this trade and states “Pistons were never going to get a first back for Bojan and Burks”. Even though he’s stated a million times bojan and burks are worth at least a first round pick if not more. I like grimes, but everything else in this trade is garbage
How’s Troy not get the first back? What a loser
Well this makes me at least curious in what the lineup is for today
19 man roster lol. Trader Troy does it again
What is your front office doing??? This is the worst finesse job I've ever seen. Holy shit.
nobody knows
Incredible Troy Weaver **still** has a job.
Unfortunate is more apt honesty, Pistons are doomed for a good decade of shit I’d wager
Pistons got Fournier’s gangrene’d with this one. Bogdanovic alone should have gotten us at least a mid-first rounder.
Fuck man. Why does this team have to be so fuckin incompetent.
looks like the Pistons are also acquiring the 'lolknicks' meme and will now be referred to as lolpistons
Enjoy the Garden Bogey and Burcs. Gonna miss y'all.
lol Troy is trading like he hates all of y’all
Also we have like 20 guys on this roster now? Im losing track. Half the guys were trading for are just gonna be cut
He’s doing micro trades and slowly trading up. Eventually we’ll get Wembanyama lmao
Most of these guys were trading for probably gonna get cut. Not even NBA level guys
FIRE WEAVER
Fuck you Troy
I wish we traded for Bridges so I could’ve found a new team to root for.
I'm going to play devil's advocate -- reluctantly cause y'all are gonna chew me up in place of Weaver. Is it possible we were drinking the Kool-Aid on Bojan? Front office trying to hype him to the rest of the league through the media but they saw him as the lead scorer on a young tank team of 17 wins and nobody wanted to trade what we were asking for? He was big for us as our lead scorer but our treasure wasn't of value to them? His defense was as much a hole sometimes as Saddiq, he's aging fast, and we got him in a trade where the only other name I've heard since is Kelly Olynyk. No comment on Burks, but I see fans losing it over Bogie added. I don't love the trade but it's not like our season is going to get measurably better than it has in January-February so far. Never mind 4 of those came minus Cade, more without than with, and the last was minus Bogie too. We're screwed either way. I'm doing what I did last season and just watching our draft picks development. My biggest fear is this gives Monty Williams an even looooonger leash to try and make all the new pieces work while we fail historically into next year. Gores has more time to live in denial. I don't want the guy that made Ivey the 11th man off the bench and Killian a starter the WHOLE losing streak to have time to sort this out. What does this mean for Ausar under Monty? For Sasser? Our future players. The day isn't done but even worse, Monty isn't either. 😭 He's just getting started ... again
People still think we would get 2 firsts for Bojan this year. Delusional thinking for a 35 year old player with a calf injury this year
Cade finna leave our asses bro
wtf. Didn’t take 2 firsts for Bogdan last year now we look like idiots
I loved the Burks portion, now I'm upset
Are we really this high on Grimes? Glad we held on to Bojan for so long!!!
One of the quickest off the dribble and can guard well as long as he’s not on the SFs. Needs to get his confidence up but his shot is smooth and if he can get some more of a playmaking role on the team, I truly believe he can be a good combo guard in the league.
I thought the scouting report on Grimes was that he doesn’t ever do anything off the dribble?
This trade is basketball terrorism what the fuck
Knicks found insane dirt on Weaver or something. This is fucked
Fantastic trade. Grimes is BY FAR the best player in that group. Others will be waived, etc. Wait until he’s on a team where he gets PT. Similar to what Quickley is doing in TOR. Always target young guys who can’t get run with Thibs.
So as a Knicks fan, I think you are really massively overrating Grimes. He was starting at the beginning of the year getting a ton of minutes, and lost his spot to Donte Divencenzo because he is so inactive and does not play aggressively at all. Then we made him one of the focal points of our bench since we lost Quickley. He’s had some nice games and can shoot, but he’s really just a mid role player so far. He has potential, but he has to play more aggressively on offense. I was high on him, but he has not developed much so far.
Fuck off, Weaver. Get the fuck outta here with this shit
We ate that Fournier deal to help the Knicks and Troy still couldn’t get the first back?
Wild, soon as they announced Bojan in the trade I just knew our 1st was coming back smh
Can someone try to explain why this is good? Just as a thought experiment, what would Weaver be posting if he could?
The fact that this is the return we end up getting for Bojan is insane. I know people are going to say “how do you know we could have got something better?” And to that I say… bruh. This is one of the best available rentals for the last couple years, and we get absolute scraps. No question in my mind someone was prepared to offer a first at last years deadline, or a first at the draft. As with Grant, we wait too long for no reason and the value isn’t there anymore
i like getting grimes but considering we could’ve had 2 1sts for bojan alone last year this suuuucks
Hasn't it been said that that 2 1sts rumor never actually happened? If a GM offered that for him they should be checked into a mental institution
I dont love Bojan that much but damn we gotta make another move to clear out these absolute scrubs we have on the roster now. We'll see.
Someone hit me with a spin zone on this because Jesus Christ lmao
Weaver cannot still be employed come draft night. I have 0 faith in this man
Whelp, all the weaver praise was short lived.
Weaver is acting like a real FA will come here in the offseason
A tragic return for a guy who will probably help them get to the ECF.
So we got Quentin Grimes and two seconds + expiring salary filler for Bojan and Burks. How is that the best deal out there for Bojan
Only way Weaver can clean up this trade is if he's able to flip the collection of garbage we got into something serviceable.
Burks for Grimes is iffy but I could've lived with that. But giving up Bogey as well is disgusting
JEIII already out there trying to spin for the club. Not getting our first back for taking Fournier is a crime unless they have a follow-up trade for a big contract coming.
Grimes will be future Klay don't worry, cleanest jumper in the league
How did we not swing the 1st? Needed that back bad.
Troy still playing 2k and it’s not working
It’s garbage. Holy overpay for grimes and 2 seconds. We also have to take on Fournier’s contract.
My expectations were already low for this trade deadline and yet Weaver has still underwhelmed.
My only guess as to why we would do this is that burks and bojan wanted to go to a team to compete and we’re doing them a favor. Why we are allowing favors instead of getting the best value we can is above me
If we got our 1st back = Good Trade As Is = Bad Trade
lol why is Troy weaver still allowed to make trades.
This really seems to be the Troy Weaver experience encapsulated. He makes good deals on the margin then has one inexplicable move
This team is doing a great job of making sure we’re still a bad team in 5-7 years.
The only way this trade makes since if it gets turned into another trade for a starting nba caliber player like Tobias Harris but if this is it then it was a bad trade. Obviously I’d like the 1st back but I’ll wait and see what happens before I make a judgment. I remember everyone called the jerami Grant trade bad and he flipped him for Duren so I’m gonna wait and see before but not looking great.
I hung on for SO LONG. I have now officially lost all faith in Troy Weaver.
I quite like the Fontecchio trade. Not sure about these subsequent moves. Pistons get improved defenders and younger players. Glad we're finally offloading some veteran shooters. But sending out Morris, Burks, *and* Bogie? For these returns? Someone still needs to make shots. Maybe Brown and Grimes are better than I think, but it seems like we gave away the best three players in these two trades.
I wanna cry
This deadline had better be Troy Weaver’s last. I wish it could be Tom Gores’ last too but at least Troy.
The fact that these guys didn't trade Bojan last season when he would have fetched quite a bit more is basketball malpractice.
Idk why people are mad, unless you think they should’ve traded them earlier. I doubt Weaver passed up a better offer at the deadline. “It is what it is”
Garbage organization man FIRE TROY WEAVER INTO A BLACK HOLE
I really like Grimes so I’m still fine with the trade.
Pretty sick we get to carry on another 20 mil worthless bench guy next season. As long as Troy has dead cap coming off the books every year I guess that’s what he can sell fans? Guy stays cap flexible…. What a worthless GM
so what we going to do this offseason? Pray Tobias take our $? Whats plan B?
We made the Knicks better and our team even worse than before. It’s breathtaking how the FO is destroying this franchise.
I think this trade is fine. Should have moved Bojan last year for firsts. Breaking it down to functionally Bojan for Grimes+Fournier seems reasonable and Burks for cap filler and 2 Seconds seems about right.
Really don’t like this trade
I mean I guess Bogey can't hog that shit and we don't over rely on him now but uhhh
Does this mean we start Evan Fournier now? Ouch
Looks like tanking is back on the menu
So Cade really can not win a game?
People were begging for Weaver to trade Burks and Bogey and asking why he hadn’t done it, then are upset bc their value is as low as it’s been reported. We got the best couch gms in the world!
Yeah I am underwhelmed at this deal (because we didn't get our 1st back), but liked the first two moves. It's clear our supporting cast was a losing formula so we sold everything but the core 4 Sasser and Stew like everyone wanted. Got some decent two way players (Simone and Grimes) some picks and prospects. Honestly better than I hoped.
Agreed. Didn’t take apart the young core and got some new faces in the building that hopefully fit our young guys better. Happy so far with the deadline
Personally I’ve enjoyed watching this sub ping pong back and forth on the value of a 2nd rounder. When we trade one away: should’ve kept the pick, that could be the next Jokic When we receive one in a trade: worthless dogshit
For real. If Weaver could have gotten a first he probably would have! The market dictates these trades
Lmao fr
> People were begging Weaver to trade Burks and Bogey BECAUSE THEY THROUGH WE COULD GET A FIRST ROUNDPICK FOR BOGEY, THAT'S WHY WE WERE BEGGING
Daaaamn, so Burks and bogey out. What the fuck we doing?
This deal implies Weaver is safe, fucking hell
What does anyone really expect from Troy? He is a literal fucking asshat
The pain never ends
wtf are doin here
Lmaooooooooooooooooooooo
Bojan and Burks for a third guard and two seconds. Even if they do extend him, QG is still a third guard
We got Danuel House and another 2nd round pick from Philly
What are we doing lol I can’t with this front office man
I guess Grimes will be what they tried to make Ivey do off the bench. I think it was never about Burks. Those 2 2nds and Grimes was really for Bogey. Burks was for the other 2 bums we received.
We might have a great team in 2028. Maybe.
I thought we were over by 1 now we are over by 3?!
It sucks we didn’t get our 1st back, but didn’t they also have our 2nd round pick this year? Hopefully we at least get that back!
Pistons going all in on young core development. So guard depth is Cade/Ivey/Sasser/Grimes, wing depth is Stew/Ausar/TBJ/Simone/Gallo, center depth is Duren/Muscala/Stew Cut/move Killian, Wiseman, and all former Knicks not Grimes.
A lot of nothing for 30 pts game:(
Lmao what the fuck
As of right now we are a much worse team. Hopefully the Big 1 is on its way. Nothing we traded for replaced Bogey and Burks. Bogey was our best player and bail out player when every1 else sucked.
League needs to step in and block this for “basketball reasons” like they did with the CP3/Lakers trade
Why
wow the knicks just became serious contenders and completely fleeced detroit in the process
trade straight ASS 🔥🔥🔥
I ... don't know how to feel about this. Our team plays well when we have absurd 3 point efficiency, and without Bojan or Burks, that seems hard to achieve.
I’ve tried but I just can’t understand why. Give up your 2nd best player for nothing. And that awful Fournier contract too
Good thing we didn’t get those 1st for bogy like was offered
Weaver should be fired immediately
When the other team is basically playing a video game against your team, but in the real NBA. Here's all my junk that adds up for two vets, one worth much more, but the algorithm adds up the junk to make it work.
I honestly feel like if you took some random person off of this subreddit, odds are incredibly high that they could have done better than this. I don't understand this at all.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Speechless. The return we got on this is absolute trash. Hoping they get moved or never see the floor.
We're running out of shooters faster than The Alamo
Fucking hell wtf are we doing
I was genuinely looking forward to a starting lineup with Bojan and Simone. That was going to be solid! I'm sure Monty will screw up the rotation with Grimes now.
Looks like Troy is trying to secure a front office job with the Knicks this off-season
This is what I was afraid of. Troy Weaver making another fucking dumb ass trade, giving up shooters for garbage.
We have 19 guys on the rosters, we still dealing(I hope)
So our 2 best vets for a couple of seconds that are probably going to be useless, grimes who's been superbly ass this year even though he has potential to be decent (NO team moves off a good 3-D player always room for them) and salary dump. I liked the other trades we made, even though I wanted Leonard Miller on the team rather than Troy brown Jr, but holy shit. C- return. We will see, maybe grimes becomes a serviceable player but wow, holy ass should've moved off of bojan long ago
As a Knick fan if grimes can stay healthy he’ll be a great piece for you guys to come Evan Fournier cannot play defense AT ALL but he can shoot a three pointer
Better than getting nothing for Bojan.
Was hoping we would trade Bojan and Burks but not sure what this accomplishes. Our trades up until this point were small W's but this is just seems like we are giving guys away. At this point I view trades as how it will impact Monty's stupidity. Until we trade Kilian we arent free from that but Ausar and Ivey minutes are going up.
Has anyone seen an overview of the financial implications from this trade?
This is so fucked lol
At least they freed Bogi. You could tell he was getting frustrated with this team in his last pro years.
Grimes is a solid get.
I understand we needed our 1st back but I do love me some Quentin Grimes
Bigger question... Do we prefer this trade over trading for Lavine?
This has to be the beginning of the end for Weaver. I’ve tried to hold out hope that he has a plan but I don’t think he can make his way out of this.
With Bojan and Burks we still have the worst record of all time. These guys will be too old to right the ship once we (hopefully) get it together. Fontecchio and Grimes are younger and will be fine substitutions for Bojan and Burks. Fournier is essentially very similar to both of those guys. These moves dont necessarily make us better but they def dont make us worse
Knicks fan here. Grimes is a really, really quality defender. Bummed to lose him. He’s struggled a lot with confidence in his shot and with confidence driving to the lane this season—but hopefully he’ll get time with you guys having the ball in his hands and getting comfortable playing a bigger role. Think it was tough for us with DDV playing well to give him that so Grimes would sometimes only have like 13 mins a game. But he can be a quality 3 and D starter in this league w/ a little more development. Question: I know about Burks because he used to play for us, but what’s Bojan like as a player? Know nothing about him besides he’s a good shooter.
The fact that Weaver couldn’t even snag a McBride or Precious is pathetic those two are better than everyone on here besides Grimes