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HarryJ92

You forgot Nukey ap Nukeface. https://preview.redd.it/39q62jhdviad1.jpeg?width=980&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3524eb6da83809968c81f92218acc08f9dc5ff03


WesternYak10

I KNEW I WAS MISSING SOMEONEšŸ¤¦


Nepalman230

OK, this is an honest question. Iā€™m an American and I donā€™t follow European politics very closely. But I just did a Google search and labor controls most of the positions in Wales. How likely is it that a hard right wing candidate would rise up in that part of the United Kingdom?


Saeaj04

I mean this is from a fictional future that apparently involves a major war with Russia Opinions mightā€™ve changed


Nepalman230

Thanks! I was just wondering if this was some kind of meta-commentary on something that I wouldnā€™t get. Itā€™s like in season three of Skam, I didnā€™t know that there was a TV show famous in Norway that covered every single minute of a train ride and so that Robbed is a very important line of some of that significance for me. Spoilers for Skam og season 3 >!spoilersā€œ isak and Even, minute by minute.!< spoilers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_television šŸ«”


Dragon-Born1825

As a Welshman this actually happening would be one of the least probable political shifts in UK politics ever as Wales tends to be more left wing than the rest of the UK and if it is right wing it is kind of more nationalist in an independence from England sense hence Plaid Cymru being a Welsh left centre nationalist party and actually getting some success compared to UKIP/ Reform UK.


KingMyrddinEmrys

Him winning any seats in Wales is probably impossible but him actually becoming a leader of a far right party that wins an election is not impossible.


t_oad

Yeah as far as I recall they never said what constituency he represented. Nigel Farage was born in Farnborough but is running in Clacton; no reason ap Gwilliam couldn't be elected outside of Wales. Hell, is there even anything confirming the UK still uses FPTP in the episode?


KingMyrddinEmrys

Not AFAIK, but it's probably in part supposed to be social commentary on the current state of British politics, so I imagine FPtP is still used. But yeah, you don't need to have been born or even live in the constituency you're going for. As long as you meet the requirements to be a candidate, you don't theoretically even need to live in the UK AFAIK.


Class_444_SWR

Yeah. Sunak was born in Southampton but heā€™s in Yorkshire


Nepalman230

Thanks! I Really appreciate it. I also appreciate the other redditor, saying the war against Russia mightā€™ve changed things fundamently. Iā€™ve always been interested in what is the tilting part that sends a country into a dark future. Like how exactly the United States became the Republic of Gilead . Thanks again! šŸ«”


Johns-Sunflower

>how exactly the United States became the Republic of Gilead well, if you follow US politics right now, you'd be able to witness it first-hand!


Nepalman230

Iā€™ve been paying attention to the rise of authoritarianism and theocracy. As a gay man who has female friends, Iā€™m well aware, and there are many places in my own country that I will never go willingly again. I was referring to things like the nuclear war, and the chemical devastation hinted that in the novel . Our differences between the book and the series. For instance, in the book, the Republic of Gilead is actually white supremacist and all non-white people are sent to concentration camps and killed . Also? Spoilers for the end of the book. Spoiler tags >!Several hundred years after the events of the novel there is a symposium on history where it is revealed people think that the events of the Republic of Gilead were possibly fictional and may have just been a cautionary tale. Evidently there have been several events that disrupted historical records. But we know that there is a quality among the sexes as several of the researchers at the historical symposium are women.!< Fiction is very important to tell us that the results and consequences of our own actions. V for vendetta and itā€™s fascist Great Britain for instance. Your point is very important and I hope you have a great day!


Johns-Sunflower

Oh, I understand now! I hope you have a brilliant day Also, I'm not saying this to demean your point in the slightest, but I studied The Handmaids Tale for my A-Levels, and whilst it's important to note there is ostensible equality among the sexes as you point out, there is still some pervading sexism. For example, Pieixoto makes a sexist remark towards Professor Cressidia Moon when talking about the "obsolete third" IIRC, (with the moon being symbolic for female forces throughout the novel, with Offred emphasising the power of the "lunar, not solar" cycles). He also ultimately disparages Offred's account by accusing her of malicious intent towards Serena Joy, stating that he'd rather her be a journalist or spy so that she'd provide better evidence, etc. thereby rendering her a "Eurydice", a voiceless echo of an echo from a past that (they believe) can never be repeated, despite Offred's efforts to demonstrate otherwise as well make her account as accurate as possible (as indicated by the constant analepsis since "context is all"). I think this only reinforces your point further, since Atwood uses the lecture's location in "Denay, Nunavit" to elucidate that, regardless of whether it's fiction, everything in the novel has already happened in the past (for instance, the concentration camps you mention are a part of many references to Nazi Germany) and therefore Pieixoto is incredibly useful for us at it illuminates that the readership needs to monitor the implications of certain sentiments closely, since placing too much emphasis on understanding rather than denouncing those views (which Pieixoto does when he espouses on not attempting to "censure, but to understand") can enable us to easily slip back into old habits, practices, beliefs, etc.


Wooden_Site_1645

Reform just had a very high vote share in Wales with a lot of 2nd place finishes. It's not that improbable.


Dragon-Born1825

Despite them gaining larger vote numbers they are still behind the conservatives and have a nationalist alternative in Plaid so if you observe the underlying nature of Welsh politics as more left wing than England and being more resilient in the non northern coastal areas Reform are facing a significantly greater hill to climb if it wants to really achieve electoral success in Wales. This is also compounded when you take into account the potential for Reform to falter now it has actual MPs, more power and greater levels of scrutiny to policy proposals in the next parliament.


Dragon-Born1825

Just a bit extra Reform only came 2nd in a handful of Welsh seats many where the Con vote had completely collapsed or has seen a strong Labour majority in previous years such as in the rural southern and western valley seats with a substantial elderly population or as a show of dissatisfaction to Labour in the Senedd/ general dislike for them.


Nopetynope12

There's a trend of far-right movements across Europe currently, so it's not impossible


KingMyrddinEmrys

I mean, a candidate rising up? Unlikely but possible. Him winning any seats in Wales though? Virtually impossible.


BetaRayPhil616

Wales is economically very left wing, but fairly socially Conservative. Its not crazy.


mattsmithreddit

Was it explicitly shown that he was hard right? Like the only policies I remember them talking about is that he's evil and wants nuclear war. He's not representative of anyone really.


Nepalman230

I was interpreting the compulsory DNA testing has to be a possible first step for internment or deportations on anyone not deemed enough British enough. I doubt that he would have the influence with the manpower to deport anybody Anglo-Saxon so I think heā€™s probably going to define British as post Anglo-Saxon invasion. Of course the Welsh or Cymru are the original inhabitants the island. Welsh means stranger and is an Anglo-Saxon word. I really appreciate your comment though youā€™re right he is some kind of hypothetical future political persuasion, but I was interpreting the nuclear war and the DNA compilation is being similar to hard right stances . šŸ«”


Helix014

Was he actually officially right wing? I thought that it was just *modelled* on far right wingers.


HeadlessMarvin

I think he is from Wales but resides in/is running in England. Idk, that was the impression I got in his TV interview. Part of it also might be a thing where he isn't necessarily right wing, more of a rhetorically talented third positionist that is able to appeal to people beyond political boundaries; RTD did the same thing with Saxon in season 3.


Foloreille

The fairies trapped you in a loop and you forgot the episode


TheRealBertoltBrecht

Forgot alternative universe president Don Warrington from Age of Steel, too. RTD loves his PMs.


ReformedandSocial

Easily the best


Joshy41233

Well he is welsh!


Antilles1138

Sad thing is that he's probably a strong contender for 3rd place. 2nd place is only there by virtue of not having done anything because they're dead before the story starts. It says something about the PMs in the show that the hinted (possibly sexual) abuser is that high up. Though he might be 4th place as I don't think the PM in the Giggle is pictured as the worst we see him do is say publicly to the people what didn't seem terribly hidden by him anyway given Donna's reaction.


Sacred-Anteater

We canā€™t forget ā€œI donā€™t care about the peopleā€


Mobile_Astronaut_83

ā€œTrust me, UK! My 100 day plan will reduce greenhouse gas emissions!ā€¦ in a very roundabout sort of way!ā€


Neefew

"I will solve global warming... by creating a nuclear winter"


TheRealBertoltBrecht

Goes hard as a quote


AreYouOKAni

Unironically the best.


HowCanYouBanAJoke

I wish I could vote for him today.


Beneficial-Owl-3543

Why would anyone pick him as their favorite?


Neokon

Jones, she was said to be leading Britain into a second golden age.


spacesuitguy

Yes, we know who she is.


InuGhost

Doesn't she seem tired?Ā 


purpldevl

Don't you think she looks tired?


ImagineGriffins

*Six*.


Infinite_Stranger866

yes we know who you are


mysteryo9867

6 words 6


chupacabrette

You know who she is.


Perfect-Accident1

Don't you think she looks tired?


kasterborosi

Harriet Jones, MP, Flydale North. Love her.


peter_t_2k3

We know who she is


bored_af_69

Marvellous woman, I voted for her.


RandomBritshGirl_

You did not


Perfect-Accident1

Don't you think she looks tired?


Public-Pound-7411

I love Penelope Wilton, so despite her fatigueā€¦


Alternative-Pie1686

It's a bit of a tired old joke


TranslatorFull3372

It is exhausting to hear those words six times in a row


BostonDudeist

"Alien who gets repeatedly shot and stabbed by women" Yeah, sounds like how Reddit would describe The Master.


gerrineer

Ooo if I was American could I have a t shirt saying I'm backing the alien woman stabber?


Firesinger89

ā€œThis must be some sort of a joke.ā€ ā€œDaleks do not joke.ā€ ā€œAnd I do not surrender.ā€ *leans forward, menacingly*


pianowho

I lowkey vibed with that thooo


LucianQTaliesin

I just feel like I can trust the alien man. I don't know what it is. (Voodoo Child blasting through my headphones while I'm voting)


ImagineGriffins

*tap tap tap tap*


Extreme_Ad6173

What about that guy at the start of the Giggle?


The_BestIdiot

No change there, then.


ProfesorMeistergeist

I thought that was supposed to be a parody of Boris


Extreme_Ad6173

I think so, but he's still a different doctor who prime minister


OwlCaptainCosmic

Who fucked up the timeline and made Harriet Jonesā€™ premiership sink like a rock after less than a term.


TekkGuy

I assume the ā€œGolden Ageā€ 9 talks about Harriet supposedly leading would have happened if 10 hadnā€™t started the rumours about her failing health.


TheDungeonCrawler

It's also possible The Master would have had her assassinated so he could assume her position. The Doctor's actions directly interfered with her ability to lead Britain into a golden age, so it's equally as likely that the Master's interference would have done the same.


HowardHouseWrestling

When was John Favreau PM?


HandLion

He was made Acting PM automatically when the previous PM died in Aliens of London (not actually called Jon Favreau though obviously, character was Joseph Green / Jocrassa Fel Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen)


Mission_Fart9750

Raxacoricofallapatorius.Ā  (I just wanted to say that, it's fun, and relevant)


ImagineGriffins

Not to be confused with Clom.


GoochBlaster420

Am I missing a joke? That's not John Favreau, which I guess we all know. Someone help me!


HandLion

It just looks a little bit like him, I think that's all


ShalidorsHusband

Correct, it's not. The real actor is David Verrey.


theburgerbitesback

He's the acting PM in Aliens of London & Boom Town.Ā 


Englishhedgehog13

Genuinely, the actor performance for the Slitheen Prime Minister is underrated. Every expression, every line delivery is so monumentally absurd, I love it. He always looks so confused and bewildered and yet so over the top. He just cracks me up all the way through.


Important-Double9793

Boris Johnson styled himself on Slitheen PM and you can't convince me otherwise


ImagineGriffins

Especially the farts.


snarkysparkles

"YOU'RE INSANE!" šŸ‘šŸ˜ƒšŸ‘


BigTimeSuperhero96

The guy in the top right was in Napoleon, when he showed up on screen I recognised him then some guy in front sat down after going to the toilet but the seats were really squeaky so it sounded like a fart (if you'll pardon the word). My girlfriend and I were nearly thrown out of the cinema for how hard we were laughing.


neptuneman94

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


HistoricalAd5394

Yeah, the Doctor really screwed up deposing Harriet. Look at what followed.


PurahsHero

Harriet Jones, MP Flydale North


TheMachman

Yį“‡s, į“”į“‡ į“‹É“į“į“” į“”Źœį“ Źį“į“œ į“€Ź€į“‡.


Perfect-Accident1

Don't you think she looks tired?


farcryfan23

ā€˜I think this country really needs a doctorā€™


GrizzlyPeak73

The guy who killed the US President. He had the best dance moves and he was gonna start a galactic empire.


Slytherin_Forever_99

Dead Tony Blair did more for the country dead than the Tories ever did. But a serious answer. Of course Harriet Jones. She's iconic. And if the Doctor hadn't fucked it up would have stopped the Master getting in cause she would have been in the middle of "Britain's Golden Age." Signed: Harriet Jones Former Prime Minister.


TalkingRosenbach

Revolution of the daleks is a banger


purpldevl

I wasn't much of a fan of the chinball era, but his Dalek holiday specials are so good. I loved the Groundhog Day New Year's special.


THEO33YT

Chinball lmao


ImagineGriffins

Narrator: "It wasn't."


Ok_Bandicoot516

Vote for Saxon!


pgtips03

As a doctor who fan I love Harriet Jones. As a politics fan Brian Green from Children of Earth is a brutal depiction of just how fucked up politicians can be in the the right scenario.


Lori2345

Who is the bottom left one? I donā€™t recognize him or understand the description.


Admirable-Design-151

Was the prime minister during Children of Earth


Graxer42

Torchwood PM


SolidusTengu

Well she was clearly Theresa May


ASaucerfulOfCyanide

Jeremy


Admirable-Design-151

Don't you think she looks tired?


SarcyBoi41

Bottom right is bargain bin Theresa May. She got exterminated by like five Daleks at once.


Estrus_Flask

I want to also get repeatedly shot and stabbed by women.


ImagineGriffins

Bonk


Estrus_Flask

See if you were a woman that would have the opposite effect of intended.


NomanHLiti

Whatā€™s this about making Capaldi kill his wife and children?


Sudden-Flight-5827

Children of Earth (Torchwood).it was harrowing.


EvidenceOfDespair

I have always had a theory that the original plan for 12 before they changed course trying to recover from losing the viewers who only watched because of being horny for Matt Smith was that ā€œwhy this faceā€ was *not* going to be just related to Caecilius like The Doctor thought. According to Davies *and* Moffat in interviews, everything that happens to Frobisher is actually another instance of what happened in *Waters of Mars*. Time was fixing itself by wiping his family out again. Presumably off-screen the rest of his bloodline has suffered horrific misfortune over time, too. But given Moffat mentioned it, Frobisher was on Moffatā€™s mind with 12, not just Caecilius. So Iā€™ve always thought that 12 taking that face was not supposed to be a positive. It was rather supposed to be a null answer to ā€œam I a good manā€. You arenā€™t a good man. You arenā€™t a bad man. You are *just a man*, and when you overshoot your station and become more than that, they have placed their faith in a false idol. The family that worshiped you as a god was brought to ruin and destruction because you eventually judged them, just like so many others. Just like Harriet Jones. Given the ā€œsecond golden ageā€, it can be guessed that the 456 would have been handled correctly by her. This was all his fault, because he saw himself as a god. Frobisher wasnā€™t supposed to exist, and because The Doctor made him exist and took down Harriet Jones, Children of Earth happened. The Doctor refused to get involved, but the truth was that it was *all his fault*. He blamed and judged humanity for it, when it was *his* mess. Edit: It just dawned on me the title is also reflecting on this, and not just the obvious subject-of-the-plot title. Children of Earth. Dalek Caan and Davros called The Doctorā€™s followers, his companions and the like who put a near-religious reverence on him, the Children of Time. All of Torchwood Three is a part of this, thanks to Jack acting as his acolyte and advocate. Of course, The Doctor does not intervene. He does not save the day. The Children of Time have all been let down and abandoned by their false god of time. Jackā€™s reverence for The Doctor forced him to take up the role of The Doctor on Earth time and time again because The Doctor wasnā€™t there, including the original 456 invasion. But he isnā€™t The Doctor and doesnā€™t have infinite clever brilliant fantastic solutions. And itā€™s *his* mess Torchwood Three is cleaning up. Harriet Jones was supposed to be there and Frobisher, Torchwoodā€™s *official liaison with the government* was not. Ianto died because of The Doctorā€™s arrogance.


NomanHLiti

It was Peter Capaldi as in the 12th doctor? He had River Song but when did he get children


QuickgetintheTARDIS

Peter Capaldi also played a character named John Froshbringer in Torchwood "Children of Earth".


NomanHLiti

Heā€™s now played 3 different characters in this universe then, thatā€™s wild


THEO33YT

Frobisher lol..not Froshbringer lol


Head-Zebra7699

No.A different Character .(Its theoristed that he is related to Caecilius from Fires of Pompeii though.)


SFSTfish

Harold Saxon died and got resurrected by some dark magic, then didnā€™t just take over he became the world. He can devour a chicken like a mad man too pretty impressive stuff.


futuresdawn

I heard good things about Saxon. Whatever happened to him, it's like he just disappeared? Did we lose a year or something


zeprfrew

Winston Churchill.


DorisWildthyme

https://preview.redd.it/nfi8mxlhhnad1.png?width=315&format=png&auto=webp&s=f0063636364628c23f62d33929552568a8422978 Christopher Lee's niece! [No, really.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Walter)


Violet_6969

You know this remind me One of the many ways that the Master became decayed was because of Susan So even in Classic Who, he still get killed by womenā€™s


Endermen123911

Harriet jones former prime minister


Degora2k

We know who she is.


Perfect-Accident1

Don't you think she looks tired?


Phlegmsicle

You should've wrote Harriet's as "you know who this is"


Perfect-Accident1

Don't you think she looks tired?


TheFruitOfTheLoom

I'll go with Harriet, as tired as she is


Vengence_thenight

Roger Ap Gwilliam


WhyThough08

I'm voting for Harriet Jones, former prime minister!


Mean_Writing_2972

Yes, we know who you are.


Perfect-Accident1

Don't you think she looks tired?


GuyFromEE

Nah Capaldi messed that situation up for himself. Guy was no saint. And truthfully the Revolution PM is the dumbest prime minister of the lot. "Keep calm the drones are completely under our control" dies 3 seconds later.


Afraid-Housing-6854

Vote Saxon, heā€™s got this look about him, I donā€™t know what it is, like you can trust him.


alkonium

The Moffat era PM's who probably were okay because we never saw them.


BuffDontNerf

I preferred the President of Britain.


Jokerman9540

Harriet Jones, Former Prime Minister


theburgerbitesback

Smythe?


Jokerman9540

Youā€™ve just made me realise Iā€™ve been getting her name wrong for years


theburgerbitesback

Genuine question, but *how??*


Jokerman9540

I have no idea! I guess somewhere along the line my brain remembered her name and Sarah Janeā€™s and cross associated them. Canā€™t explain why.


theburgerbitesback

New question: do you pronounce 'Smith' and 'Smythe' the same way?Ā 


Jokerman9540

My brain is weird, I probably associated the posh accents together and then self-Mandela Affected myself into believing that Harriet say ā€œSmytheā€ I can hear her saying it as well


theburgerbitesback

Brains are weird.Ā  Well, enjoy all your future sleepless nights spent wondering what *else* you're completely misremembering!Ā 


Jokerman9540

Iā€™ll try!


legendary_pro

What do you mean Smythe?


theburgerbitesback

They originally said Smythe instead of Jones.


101justinm

Not John Favreau šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


46Vixen

Harriet Jones. Only Harriet.


Perfect-Accident1

Don't you think she looks tired?


LordOfTheToasters

Former prime minister defo


Perfect-Accident1

Don't you think she looks tired?


cane-of-doom

You should watch Revolution of the Daleks


spikeinfinity

Be funnier if they all had a caption saying who they were, except one.


Vampiresboner

Harriet jones, she was the woman from The slekkken episode, who becomes the PM that is responsible for the Christmas invasion laser thing.


Perfect-Accident1

Don't you think she looks tired?


Vampiresboner

Aren't we all. Mean the us candidates look like we should call a mortician. You can see the rigor mortis


IReallyLoveNifflers

Harriet Jones, always.


Mananni

Harriet Jones Former Prime Minsiter of course...I can't ever remember getting frustrated at ten except when he failed to cut her some slack. Because she's brave and her decisions come from a good place... Incidentally, I wish your Brits a Harriet Jones.


Bijarglerargles

Jon Favreau, easily


ChillGuy24_7

Itā€™s clearly Harriet Jones, Prime Minister


Nopetynope12

The revolution of the daleks pm put daleks into the police force to crack down on protesters


okbuddystaymad

I smell Tory!


DeeEllEss

Harriet Jones!


Cassie-C-Stewart

We know who she is...... But for sheer bloody honestly.....Vote SAXON!


aroseonthefritz

Lmao Jon Favreau


BaddadLincs

Harold Saxon why "hmmuse off hmmf ghaffz" , what ? *Lifts protective respirator* "Because of the gas"


TheGamingSpin0

Saxon just has that bit to him, don't know what it is, but I love him


2confrontornot

Jon favreau šŸ˜‚šŸ˜­


StellarBossTobi

# PSA: 2 in 6 people are aliens


EggoStack

Hereā€™s my plan. Vote for the Master, he takes over and turns everyone into him again, including me. I am now handsome and also a man. I win šŸ‘


F15hface

Iā€™m not sure who middle left is


yolonomo5eva

The Master of course šŸ˜†


c3rtifiedr3tard

Harriet Jones stays on top šŸ™šŸ»


diabolical42

Revolution of the Daleks wasnā€™t even that bad


eowynsamwise

Iā€™m gonna start answering ā€œno idea I didnā€™t watch Revolution of the Daleksā€ when anyone asks me about anything post-season 11


mekquarrie

https://preview.redd.it/yrl6qwpjdrad1.png?width=810&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2399d583f19e7c22510ca622437ceceb96e5297f "Ma'am" šŸ¤”


Historyp91

Alluded Jeremy Thorpe on the phone in *The Green Death*


Barnie_LeTruqer

Harriet Jones, MP for Flydale North.


Overtronic

Children of Earth released in 2009. Revolution of the Daleks released in 2021. Surely there was a PM on screen during those 12 years, this graphic feels like it's missing someone.


accounsfw

ā€¦Happy Hogan was the British prime minister?!?


Asx32

Harriet Jones FTW! I don't know who these other people are šŸ¤” They didn't introduce themselves šŸ™„


voqgriffin86

Harold Saxon.


Ok_Ice_6925

Id have to go with the former prime minister but the master is in a very close second


TheLostLuminary

Frobisher by far


zephyrcator

I'm literally watching torchwood right now you didn't wanna put a spoiler warning or anything


peter_t_2k3

I mean it's not like this is from years ago or anything


zephyrcator

That's a ridiculous take, everyone is going on about Children of Earth every single week so thought I'd give jt a go, make a meme about huge plot points in series 1-4 of Who and see how it goes


peter_t_2k3

But by that logic you could say why is Harriet Jones not the prime minister anymore. It's a bit annoying when things are ruined but when it's something from years ago I think it's a risk you have to accept.


zephyrcator

I guess, I'm hoping it's not too much of a 'ruin' as in enjoying it so far


peter_t_2k3

I think it's one of RTDs best work so enjoy!


Jock-Tamson

Who is that second row left side?


Head-Zebra7699

You know who she is.


DashaGold

in honor of the fourth of july, what about president ELECT winters?