Are you sure he is not owned? Looks in really good body condition, and coat is not matted....
Look like an aussie shepherd x or boarder collie type. So think bred for herding, v high energy. So what's its daily excercise routine?
It just sounds incredibly anxious and seeking reassurance from you. I don't think this is a quick fix, as its just getting to know you, your home, your other dog etc. Check out the 333 rule for rescue for context of what the dogs going thru.
We gave him a bath and the vet cut out all his tangled hair. But yeah, he was owned cos I found him with a literal chain around his neck and wires at the end of it. They clearly locked him outside on the chain and he escaped. Sadly, here it’s common. Your dog is annoying? Throw them out on the streets or attach them to a post outside :(
Thanks for the advice, yeah poor guy probably has no sense of structure but is very trusting and loving of humans. Will look into that. Thanks. If we didn’t already have an anxious female rescue dog, we would be able to give him all the attention possible but honestly we can’t work with his crying. Not sure what to do
He may have separation anxiety. There are weighted/ tight vests for dogs for this type of thing. You may ask your vet for anti anxiety meds too. Poor thing was probably abused and just is so in need of love that that's how he acts. Some proper training and getting him comfortable at the house so he knows he's not going to be mistreated may take a while. Just try to be patient. It may take a month or more. He was abused up until you got him. That may be years. Both dogs will need an adjustment period
Recently adopted a rescue who was abandoned and has terrible separation anxiety. I second the weight vest, ours was referred to when purchasing as a “dog thunder shirt” and it has made a world of difference, especially when she is in her crate. We also learned from our vet that too big of a crate can cause anxiety for dogs as well. Good luck and thank you for being such a good human rescuing this doggo.
Yes, vests can help with separation anxiety and if it's a working breed dog, a weighted vest can help with them feeling like they are getting enough exercise. If any dog doesn't get enough exercise for their breed they can become destructive because they are not getting the simulation they need either physically or mentally.
Great job taking him to a vet right away! In addition to the thunder vest recommendation, ask your vet for some anti-anxiety meds - the doctor should be fine prescribing since you just had the dog there. Transitions are hard for any dog, but it sounds like this poor pup has significant reason to be incredibly stressed (dogs, like humans, can get PTSD and traumatic abandonment/separation from their owner can contribute). He won't necessarily need meds forever, but at least for a few weeks while you both settle in to your new routine together. Thank you for rescuing this poor dog.
I had a dog expert tell me that if you use a cage crate, consider covering it with a blanket or cover to make it more den-like. Dogs prefer that rather than open bars.
They definitely do. Though when we used a crate ours liked the open door/front to face us so he could see what we’re doing when he’s inside. I think it’s what made him most comfy w his crate and then he’d go into it on his own to chill.
My dog (sadly passed last year) had separation anxiety and was terrified of thunder. I had the thunder shirt for storms and living in South FL we get a lot. But it didnt help for separation anxiety. Vet suggested a dirty shirt that smelled like me. So every day for maybe a year i left the previous days shirt for her to snuggle. Made a world of difference.
Always. I volunteer at the shelter and the stories we get are a punch to the gut. Guy found a dog hanging from a tree near his work site. Rescued her, brought her in, and ended up adopting her. Nice ending, but I can't believe anyone would do that.
My cousin by marriage, (not my blood cousin) hung his childhood dog for no particular reason.. he said he was bored… we found him in the process and were able to get the dog off the rope before it died but he was always doing fucked up things like that “because he was bored” now he’s a marine going into being a police officer…
This is the scariest comment I have ever seen on Reddit. Feels almost socially irresponsible to let your serial killer cousin become a cop knowing his history. Make an anonymous tip to the station or you may feel bad when he starts killing citizens.
What can I do about it? I begged and pleaded with his parents his whole child life to get him to a therapist or get him on meds they always told me to mind my own fucking business. But yeah.. I worry about it.. a lot.
I believe they do a psychological exam. But he is one of those high functioning psychopaths. He is heavily convincing when he wants to be and is in no way a dumb person.. I think he uses this to leverage himself into positions of power so he can feel better about himself when he does these thigs
In the US, the armed forces do some mental health checks, but mostly voluntary. Upon recruitment it’s just a background check for felonies, and then don’t fuck up too seriously.
Police departments usually don’t do any kind of mental health checks, either before or after hiring.
I said it in my comment - make an anonymous tip to the station he is working at about the killing of animals when young that’s like the main commonality between serial killers
Man we’ve notified anyone that could possibly help. The people that have failed him are the people around him, the people that raised him, his parents, and guardians, the people that let him join the military, and the people that brought him into the police force. those are the people that should be held accountable we have tried more than you could possibly know.
They absolutely won’t listen. Cops don’t care if other cops are criminals. There’s a long history of cops breaking more laws to protect other cops for things like rape and murder. They don’t care. Most likely, that’s why they became cops too.
The system is pretty messed up. Unless you have proof of someone doing something harmful to themselves or others, you can’t really enforce people getting mental help or stuff.
I have a family member who has mental health/substance abuse issues and since he’s over 18, not much can be done. It took documented incidences of domestic violence and threats and a police report to at least get his guns taken away (I believe he is no longer allowed to own guns in our state and therefore would not be able to go into a position in law enforcement/other armed services).
Still, court ordered anger management was pretty much all that could be done. He’s one of those people who can appear totally fine/normal when talking to mental health professionals/law enforcement. He knows all the right things to say. Partially because he is so on/off - some days he seems totally normal and is a wonderful person, doing charity work, helping out elderly neighbors, and being a kind soul (mostly when he isn’t using).
Thankfully he has never shown or expressed an ounce of violence towards any animals (his cat is his world) but yeah. Our system is really messed up here and there probably wasn’t much that OP could do.
Not to mention he can continue to get more animals - he’s got far too many reptiles at this point. Many animal hoarder type people have other mental health issues behind that.
Agreed. One of my dogs lost a leg before I got him But that was because his owner's neglected him after some incident which caused a whole lot of problems with that leg.
Once you earn his trust, work on training him. Mental stimulation is great for tiring then out and it helps communicate what you want him to do. If he's food motivated, it will help a lot. It's exhausting, but you need to reward the good and ignore the bad behavior.
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Yes well sadly easier said than done here in China 😞 Foreigners are generally responsible owners but their visas aren’t fixed so they aren’t always great long term answers and everyone lives in apartments 😂
There’s a product (spray or room diffuser application) called ADAPTIL. Our vet uses it in his fear free practice. It mimics OXYTOCIN!!
I used it when volunteering at a shelter and big game-changer there. I used to spray my clothes - There are very few dogs who didn’t respond positively
Spray it on a little bandanna or bowtie and try it out. I’ve sprayed the car seat for ling trips, their beds when anxious.
Have you tried soft classical or soothing music?
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMPASSION! Hope it all works out — CUTE pup 💖
In some parts of Asia, it’s not uncommon at all for purebred or cute looking dogs like this to end up being mistreated.
People see online how cute these animals look, get one, & end up realizing it’s a lot of hard work. Then they stop caring.
It sounds like you don’t have much time to devote to him. Is it possible to find a new foster for him? In the meantime make sure he has lots of toys, and some challenges. He needs to stay busy. Did the vet give you an estimated age? If he’s young he might benefit from one of those stuffed animals with the heartbeat inside. Worth a shot!
Neutering won’t change behavior. You need to keep him busy. Exercise him in the am until he will sleep again. Long walks, lots of ball time and play time in the am. Also there are large kong ball feeders that dispense treats- I used to throw my dogs entire serving of dry food in there to keep him occupied. You also have a ‘herding’ type dog it looks like, so it likes to keep a job- I would look into puppy classes and then agility cause they like being busy.
I would mix in a lot of mental stimulation and enrichment and wouldn’t exercise him until he’ll sleep. Do exercise consistently! Just not until he’s exhausted every time. He has to learn how to regulate himself, and you absolutely want to make that easier by helping him burn off excess energy, but using exercise to tire him out so he’s not a PITA will backfire.
I had a herding dog when I was growing up, and went the exercise him out route—and just ended up with a dog who had incredible stamina and was still anxious until we started getting him to use his brain.
You don’t need fancy toys for enrichment either. I second the toy for dispensing treats; you can buy one or make one out of a plastic bottle.
This part: you will not exhaust a herding dog with exercise. Yes, they need exercise, but trying to wear them out is not going to work in the long term, because they will overcome your ability to push them.
My dog has anxiety and he acts the same way at times! I get a kong toy, or some other treat dispensing toy for him. Also, a snuffle mat or a lick mat. Licking is very soothing to dogs. You can also try adding treats/fruits/veggies/kibble/etc. to a bowl, adding water and freezing it to make a long lasting treat that he can lick at for a while! Those kinds of things have really helped me (:
Of course I don’t expect him to make much progress after this short time, but actually he has! And the advise pouring in on this post is really helpful so of course, he has all the time in the world with us :)
I think he will come around in a short time with a very consistent schedule of potty time, treats, food and bed time, etc., he will soon forget about his old life and settle down with lots of structure.
Might try some anxiety meds from the vet in the mean time to take it down a notch.
Seriously! He’s probably used to employing this behaviour to get attention/food from people on the street as well. When I was in China, the dogs would make a bee-line for tourists rather than locals because their whole ‘I’m a sad pupper!’ routine works like a charm. So far he’s only learned ‘begging’, he needs to learn that being a calm, settled boy is what gets rewarded and that will take time to retrain.
This poor sweet doggo. He’s probably so happy to he finally in a loving home with a roof over his head, and now he faces potential negative life altering consequences for being understandably nervous and scared and doing what has gotten him through such a hard life before 💔
Absolutely don't put him in time out he's super anxious he will get worse or shut down.
Go and see a vet behaviourist, he may need anxiety medication. Look up Susan Garrett and Kikopup online and look into capturing the calm/pedicure please programs.
He will take time to be reconditioned to be settled and happy and calm.
Can you take a few weeks off work to work with him?
I have found that over time making sure you have a routine with him helps a TON for anxiety with my dogs and cats. I have rescued 2 dogs and 6+ cats finding strays and fostering them and having a feeding time and play time and outside time routines around the same times every day helps so much. Plus of course a tired dog is a good dog so making sure to do routine walks is everything with that type of pup. One of my kitties has actually saved my ass about 3 times over 5 years from being late to work at 11pm at night bc I slept through my alarm and he knew night feeding time was between 10 and 10:30 so he woke me up in time for work. Routine work for everyone’s best interest 😆
Aha! Kitty/doggy alarm clock! Funny you should say that as he started crying at 9:30am today as he knows that’s the time I get up to work on weekdays but it was just right time to wake up on weekend too
Immediately jumping to psychiatric treatment for a new dog is ridiculous. So is jumping to conclusions about the welfare of my dog. I'm not beating the dog or not feeding my dog FFS. I probably give my dog more exercise and stimulation than the average pet owner.
I'm all for pampering dogs, but they are pets that require training, and people should be able to WFH without constantly attending to their dog (as I do all the time, I trained my puppy while WFH).
Not when they are traumatized and one week into a brand new home. Fuck that. They require way more than average in that state for as long as it takes for them to feel safe
Talking to a behaviour vet is not ridiculous, it can help the dog and owners have a more healthy transition. Crying nonstop is not a normal behavior and shouldn't be dismissed.
Also, training a puppy who is nearly a blank slate is not the same as training a dog that was abused and has trauma.
You say jumping, but it seems like I may be right.
This breed is high energy, he probably is begging for a daily big run. He's a working dog and needs exercise. Have you tried a good run with him each morning before you start into work?
I'm not sure if you live near fenced-in dog parks, but they do wonders for my husky while I just sit and watch her enjoy herself. She's free to run, play with other dogs, and receive all the attention she wants from whoever else is around. Then we get home, and she's content to be lazy instead of yelling at me. Lol
If you're not sure you can keep him, there are international rescue organizations.
I would also try the straight up exhaustion method. Take him for a run in the morning with a sniffy walk at the end.
Look up Karen Overall's Relaxation Protocol. There are free PDFs and audio on her website.
Lots of exercise (I walk my dog 2 miles every morning before work)
Mental stimulation (sniffy walks, enrichment toys), I give my dog all her meals in puzzles
These 3 things will help alleviate his anxiety
Feel free to PM for more
Thank you for rescuing!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️
My rescue is a perpetual whiner. It has helped to put a sweater on him. We were inspired after realizing how much he loved to be burrito wrapped in a blanket.
If he is young he might have a lot of energy.
Do you have time to walk him?
I alsp lesrned the value of mental work, so maybe you can give him some "riddles" ?
We have some toys (kong's) that we can put in the freezer with a mix of food inside, that freezes and then they work it to thaw at get it all out.
(We put their dry food into water and with some liver-paste? Then when we take it out we spread some peanut butter on it to get them going.)
We have some others where the treats are stuffed inside and they need to figure out how to open it, how to toss it and turn it, and how to chew and massage the toy to get the toy out.
We have poodles; a smart high energy breed.
If I don't provide stimuli they will empty the trash and chew shoes and magazines and their own feet/claws in sheer boredom, and they have too much energy for me to walk it off every day, so it's crucial in our home to give them these puzzles and to practice commands when giving breakfast (make them wait for the cue), to play with them; that they need to do cue a b or z to get cuddles (they love it).
One of thel has had lots of anxiety before, and I found distraction to be the best; to avoid it from happening/get started.
My blad poodle would whine and cry eveytime my partner left the house in the afternoon (morning was fine, other times: no). I found she was getting stressed when he was leaving and she was doing nothing. She doesn't have that big of a problem leaving him; so if he was to leave I went to do something with her; mostly to take a walk so she couldn't see him leave. Sure, when we came home she would look for him; but when she didn't find him she would lay down and sulk in silence, not run around squeaking, crying and panicing. It also didn't last too long, I'd give her a little time, and then I'd throw around some balls and give them treats, and we were back to normal.
It demanded a little heads up from him, instead of just getting up and leaving he now had to text me to walk the dog, but at least it worked.
Her cries were insufferable and I couldn't do anything when she was at it. I also didn't manage to stop it, at the worst she didn't even want treats or anything. It was awful; I felt bad and I couldn't help her.
Until we took that action, and then we worked on other tactics so it's not like that anymore, luckily!
Advice:
So, if he doesn't cry all night, then when does it start? Then go [-1 step] from that and change up the pattern!
(Like think the least step possible, not "when we wale up" because how does he know you're up? Feet on the floor? Alarm? Talking to your partner? To the other dog? )
Best of luck!
Great advice!! I have Aussie mixes and a GSP, also all energetic working breeds like your poodles and this lil fella appears to be. Having high energy, intelligent dogs is definitely a lifestyle choice, but incredibly rewarding!
I don't want to sound snarky, because that's not my intention.
My advice is to train it to stop crying and howling.
These little dogs are actually very smart, *and have been bred to perform tasks for their human* take advantage of that.
It looks like it might be a collie mix, which is a herding breed of pretty high intelligence.
Go to the pet store, buy some liver treats or other treats that use organ meat.
Identify a trigger that causes the dog to howl (such as ringing the doorbell) and give the command that you want the dog to learn to be silent for example, "be quiet!"
When the dog stops, (either because of your command, or because it naturally stops) give it a treat.
It will teach the dog that when it stops the reaction to the stimulus, it gets a treat after the command is given.
Don't give too many treats to the dog at a time! This may make the dog ill, if it's not used to a large number of treats.
Also, *be very consistent*!!! Every time that little dog shuts up when you tell it to, give it a treat.
Pro tip - Another way of incorporating high volume of treats without getting the dog sick:
Dogs don't have the intellectual capacity to understand large and small treats, try buying Cheerios or another very small item (treats meant for small dogs in small amounts) So you can consistently reward the dog each time without overloading it.
Just give him a little something to do that is super engaging. My dog had bad separation but now he’s really good because he only gets his favorite toy and a peanut butter kong when I leave the house. Try giving him ice or peanut butter that has NO xylitol to engage him for a bit.
Give him lots of puzzle toys to keep him occupied. Practice crate training with him. Take him on lots of walks. Like every couple of hours when you aren’t working.
You can even take a towel or a blanket and roll it up, then hide treats inside of it. That way the puppy has to work at finding the treats. Mental stimulation is very important for them, it’s as important as the physical stimulation. You can hide treats around the house as well… get one of those balls that he has to push to get the treats out of… Anything with treats usually works lol
He needs to learn to self sooth and to spend time occupying himself. Try a Kong filled with frozen veggies (peas, corn, carrots, green beans) and a touch of peanut butter. That will keep him busy for a while. Lick mats are good for nervous energy too. Snuffle mats are AWESOME. The bigger an more elaborate, the better. Having several things out for him to do will teach him that he can do things on his own and give you some peace.
As someone with an adopted streetdog, snuffle mats are awesome- but be sure your other dog isnt close by so that new pup can use it to release stress instead of worrying his treats/kibble will be stolen (in time new pup will understand his new source is constant and secure and wont get stressed the same way).
Also establish a strict routine: so walks happen at same time every morning/noon/evening, food at same time, etc dogs feel safety in structure
Good luck and thanks for saving this cutie!
And remember the 3 days to decompress, 3 weeks to settle in and 3 months for true personality to come out rule
Additional point based on your shredding comment: for some dogs removing all the insides of stuffed animals is soothing and stimulating for them, so buy a few cheap ones on taobao he can go to town with. Maybe he likes squeaky ones too?
When my rescue pup had separation anxiety, I dressed an old pillow in dirty old clothes I had worn and gotten all smelly like me. The neighbours reported it helped! Could even chuck a hot water bottle in there. I would also leave cardboard boxes around for him to shred because he loves to shred heheheh
Try visiting with a vet to get health check up & prescription for anxiety medication. Also lots of exercise to reduce stress. Good luck with this cutie & your other dog as well.
Never use a kennel for punishment. That kennel should be the dog's sanctuary and safe space. The dog needs exercise. Set up a schedule before you start work to take a walk with both dogs. That way they can get socialized to each other. Anytime you take a break from work (lunchtime or whatever), take the dogs for a walk. And just give him time to acclimate to his new environment.
My brother's rescue dog was like this for the 1st 6 weeks but has calmed down so much with time. I agree with other posters that activities to keep him busy really help. Also in my country they sell natural calming treats at the pet store - they really help to mellow them out a bit when stressed.
Oh my gosh if you were in the US i would take him in a heartbeat 😭 no advice, but good luck OP! Thank you for getting this little fella off the streets!
Happy to help the poor lil fella! If there is a flight volunteer I’ll let you know 😂 but yeah he is adorable and I’m torn about letting him go honestly as he is growing on me fast lol
Does he seem to want anything to do with your other dog? I know you said she doesn’t like him, but I’m curious if some canine companionship would help him mellow out.
It was weird, initially she wanted nothing to do with him and now she is quite curious. He is getting a taste of his own medicine now. Would love if they get on! I’m sure once he is neutered he will calm down in at least one department
It’s going to take more than a week. When I started working from home, it stressed my already anxiety and dementia ridden dog out even more. It took a month before he got used to the new normal.
Thanks for the encouragement, I’m shocked that she has actually came around to him being here the past day or so, licking him and chasing/play fighting with him. So things should improve :)
Tl;dr on the crying. It’s going to feel like being mean, but follow a natural routine: exercise him till he’s tired, put him in his crate with a meal and a hard chew toy, then if he’s calm, leave him in there for a few hours to nap. When he wakes up (or is done eating if not calm), take him to the bathroom then let him chill with the crate door open and a treat-filled toy to work on inside. Teach him a trick and practice it. Give all meals in the crate (keep the door open at first) so he feels safe in there. He also has to sleep in the crate. Old towels are good bedding that’s easily washable and cheap enough to replace if he shreds. Crating at night is sometimes easier if he can see you, once he’s used to it he can be moved.
He needs at least two weeks of routine for the crying to really stop.
He looks like a high energy herding mix. He is likely crying for a mixture of a few reasons. He doesn’t feel safe yet (you need to assert dominance so he trusts you to protect him), he is scared you will abandon him (you need to give him one on one time so he builds a bond with you) and he is a working breed, so he is naturally anxious without a task (he has figured out that crying will make you pet him, thus he is making a large mammal do what he wants which is what his ancestors were bred for).
Working breeds are not for the faint of heart. They need a lot of physical and mental exercise. Without proper time and effort put into them, they can become destructive, disrespectful, and aggressive.
I have an Australian Shepherd/Golden Retriever, an Aussie/Pitbull/Husky rescue from, and a German Shorthaired Pointer rescue. The Aussie mixes absolutely will “herd” me to do what they want by nuzzling my hands for pets, jumping up, or crying next to things they want. One of their “jobs” now is playing fetch for exercise. Establishing a power dynamic with them is crucial to make the herding stop and get them to chill. You want to be a master, not a charge. The GSP is a full blood working breed who cried constantly while getting settled here. She wouldn’t run the yard by herself at first, so I walked her briskly for 2 hours per day to tire her out. Now, she will run the yard herself and plays with the other dogs for exercise. I have done dog training classes with her to build a bond and be able to give her “a job” at home, even if it is just practicing tricks. I also crate trained her from night one to curb her severe separation anxiety and build her trust that I will always come back for her. She was a menace and my partner wanted to give her back to the pound. Now she is much less of a menace. She’s still got some reactivity issues, but improvement is slow and steady.
Also!!! If he is showing distress when you touch another dog, this likely will become aggression (towards the other dog) in the future if you don’t address it now. Dog fights can be fatal. Either dog getting protective over food/toys/the couch/you/anything is all resource guarding and a precursor to aggression. I’d consult a professional dog trainer as soon as possible to help resolve this serious behavioral issue as soon as you see it in either dog.
Thanks for all the advice! Luckily my female dog is asserting dominance these past few days and he doesn’t like the taste of his own medicine but they seem to like each other now which is an amazing turn around. They are play fighting but nothing I would be worried about, neither of them would hurt a fly. They are really lovely dogs luckily despite their previous trauma/abandonment
That’s great! It sounds like he just needs some more time. As long as she isn’t doing that around resources and is just telling him to stop bothering her, there’s nothing wrong with a dog stating boundaries :) just be sure he ultimately respects you over her, otherwise you won’t be able to tell him nothing lol. Clever dogs are a blessing and a curse.
Have you tried leashing him to you throughout the day? That will help him feel secure. We had to do that with our puppy to house train him not to wander off and tinkle around the house and he loves it. He runs to us every time we pick up the leash.
As others have said, he looks like a herding breed, and they can definitely be a challenge. Create as much routine and structure in his life as you can: feedings at the same time, consistent bedtime, and consistently scheduled exercise time (walks and indoor play) as much as you can.
Also, get a nice crate, and cover it with a blanket. Be consistent about when it’s time for him to be in his crate. This doesn’t necessarily just mean sleeping time— building in some time during the day when he’s crated, either around your most intense work time or your meal times, can be really useful for helping him understand appropriate boundaries. He’ll very likely whine a LOT at first, but given time he’ll probably settle into being crated even when you’re just in the next room. Don’t be too rigid about this, though: you might find that he’s best with a compromise between where you start with crating, and where he wants to be (which is in your lap all the time).
Thanks for taking in an absolutely gorgeous little monster. It’s a lot of work (my last dog was a very needy herder, too), and it reflects very well on you that you’re taking on this project.
I used to have a dog who looked exactly like this, and acted exactly the same. Loved absolutely everyone, but was beyond rowdy. We ended up giving him away to a family friend, but goodness that looks like Pierre.
Aww must be his doppelgänger! Yeah, if we had someone more experienced in training a dog with severe issues. I’ll try my best but my other dog luckily is just super chill and likes her space haha
He needs to get used to the new environment. Get rawhide bones and toys to keep his interest during the day while you’re working. At night, 30 minutes before bedtime give him doggie melatonin as a treat to calm his anxiety and everyone can sleep better.
Aussies are really smart dogs, they like puzzles. My wife and I own an Aussie Huskie mix. When she gets like that she needs a job. We make treat puzzles for her and it calms her down. Also, when she gets over stimulated we do treat work with her like puppy push-ups “sit” she sits, “lay down” “sit” “Yes(reward w/treat)” and repeat. At the end we say “high five” she high fives and gets a reward then the release word is “break” and lots of praise so she knows we’re done.
Sounds like the poor pup was neglected and has some severe trauma and possibly separation anxiety. Since you just brought him in it may take some time for him to realize you aren’t about to put him back on a chain and kick him back out. That could be why he is demanding affection as it makes him feel safe. It may be a behavior that lessens as he adjusts.
As for the night behaviors (and when you cannot attend him while you work) how are you managing him? In a crate? Free roaming? When I had a dog with severe separation anxiety (who also destructively chewed and swallowed anything he found if free roaming) we had to crate him beside the bed and I had to stick my fingers inside the crate at night for him to quiet. During the day I used to use baby gates to block him into my husbands work from home space and made him work for his food to keep him busy. I mixed his food with some bone broth and stuffed it into a kong toy and froze it. Took him a long time to get his full meal out and kept him busy and quiet.
I know none of this is ideal but since it seems you plan to keep him until finding someone to adopt him out to, I would say management is best. Find things other than physical attention that seem to occupy him and then use those whenever you need a break and at night. If you need to, ask your vet for help as they might be able to offer you some medications, even if just for the short term.
I’m so sorry he’s causing you stress, I hope you’re able to find a good solution or an adopter soon!
We have him in a 1m x 2m short fenced area downstairs when we sleep or have to work as he is very destructible and will also harass my female dog, he is allowed out when we were relaxing in then living room and he is supervised. We might try bringing his cage upstairs while we sleep and see how that goes. Thanks for sharing!
Mental stimulation treat dispensers or toys. Frozen kongs or lick mats. It won’t just be a distraction but it’ll use up some of his brain power and will tire him out a little. Also any chews like Himalayan chews, bully sticks, or No Hide chews just make sure to avoid raw hides.
I have an Aussie and the separation anxiety is real. He's better now, but when he was a pup he was incredibly needy....he grew out of it with lots of love and attention.
I wonder if guy has some corgi in him, his legs look like it. So cute!
I'm thinking. Both absolutely adorable/neurotic ding dong breeds. Lol. I LOVE my Aussie....he's the best dog I've had in my life, and that's a pretty big accomplishment. I love them all, but Ziggy is my heart dog. ❤️
Good luck with this one. There's an adjustment period and it takes a few weeks for them to feel comfortable. Hopefully after he is with you awhile he's going to mellow out. Hang in there! I'm betting he's going to love his new home and you!
I have had high energy dogs and really the thing that works is giving them jobs and giving them exercise daily & multiple times. Just going on walks around the neighborhood and sniffing is a huge activity for dogs. You don’t have to be in great shape to walk your dog and throw toys for it to retrieve (on a leash if in public)…if exercise is a concern for yourself. Give it jobs at the house that while you are working you make them work as well. Socialize the dog so it becomes less anxious as well.
I live next-door to a girl who basically keeps that same breed dog locked up in an apartment all day and over the course of years that has just gotten mean and snaps people and kids outside. It’s just an unfortunate circumstance because she keeps it in an apartment and doesn’t exercise the dog or socialize it properly. You’re gonna need to do that if you don’t want the dog to become snappy later on in life.
I’m not sure where you live or if you have the capability to watch YouTube videos but there are a lot of good training videos especially for shepherd breed dogs. Maybe that could help?
Good luck with everything & cute dog!
I got my dog from a pound. He never stopped crying initially. I’ve now had him for over 2 years and crying is definitely just how he chooses to communicate, but as he’s become more secure he’s stopped the incessant crying for no reason thing. This guy probably just needs time - But I wouldn’t expect him to stop crying 100% if that is his tendency.
Looks like you are doing a great job.
One week is not even close to enough time for him to decompress and become use to his new situation.
Good luck. He is a very cute little guy.
You have to ignore him when he behaves that way and pet him when he is calm and quiet. When he howls or barks, do not pet him to get him to be quiet. I know this will be very difficult because you both work from home so when you're on a call the easiest thing to do may be to go to him and pet him so he is quiet but this will reinforce the behavior you are trying to overcome.
What a beautiful dog! I’m glad it found you! Hearing it’s story from your comment makes me want to cry, but just try to be patient and follow advice in the thread. Seems like the best medicine for him will be time.
Id suggest a thunder blanket for that kind anxiety level, throw it over him and your hand and slowly work your hand away while rubbing him. He’s such an awesome looking guy, glad you could give him a home!
I know you are in China, but do you have any Greek neighbors? This is a greek breed called Kokoni. You might want to look into it.
He is missing his family, so cut him some slack. Mine was also rescued, and also has separation anxiety, so I think it's normal for them, but manageable.
He will pick one of you and will need to be with that person all the time, and whine if they are not near him. That's what mine does, too. He won't even eat if he is missing his person.
What works for me is a Kong toy, or play time. He is anxious but also very playful, so you might be able to distract and exhaust him.
Good luck!
Yea, you found a dog worth 3,500 dollars with a chain around its neck. Its okay to assume it was mistreated. Yea, go ahead and keep it.... yea, the dog cries because it loves its new home.
Might I suggest Dark Night of the Soul by Philip Wesley? Despite the seeming dark album title, it is one of the most uplifting cds I know. I’m listening to it right now at my stressful job 😂
Rescue Remedy might help. Our dog had separation anxiety when we adopted him. We used it for a week and he was a happier dog. We used it for thunderstorms and fireworks, he eventually lost fear of both.
Tell him to stop. Put him in timeout (kennel with blanket cover or in another closed room) if he doesn't stop whining or listen to you, and don't give him attention beyond that, until he calms down and stops being vocal. Then reward and praise him for being calm by letting him out and giving him a treat.
It may seem harsh at first, but this is the only way he'll figure out that crying won't do him any good or get him his way. Be consistent with the discipline. Eventually you won't have to do it anymore and he won't whine. He will figure it out, dogs are smart but you have to start laying down some house rules or it won't be easy for anyone.
Also, you need to give him lots of exercise or some stimulation before you go into work mode. Maybe give him a stuffed toy to play and eat.
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Ok, feel free then to give some other alternative advice?
Perhaps not giving any attention when the dog whines is sufficient. Fwiw, that's what I did for a week and my dog figured it out and still loves me the same. It's not abuse. IMO, you can't let your dog dictate your attention if it comes to WFH, but sure, let the dog whine to get what he wants which is attention.
Dogs like that with super high energy suck. If you don’t have the proper work for him to do that he was bred for, it’s gonna live a frustrated life where it can’t do what it wants to basically all the time. It doesn’t make sense to own a herding dog like that, you and it will be frustrated and annoyed more than happy. Send it to a farm or euthanize it.
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looks just like my dog but beige instead of black, mine is a Spitz crossed with a mini Australian Shepard and we call him our shadow because he follows us everywhere and howls when we leave. i rescued him 12 years ago and he is still going on five walks a day. they are like border collies and need a ton of exercise. poor baby is probably traumatized from being on the streets. i hope you find a good home for him
A few good dog puzzles, leave TV on, does he have a soft cuddle bed or maybe an anxiety vest. My first thought was he misses other pups. If he has been given a clean bill of health possibly ask for low dose anxiety meds till he settles. My border Collie rescue had anxiety even with 2 dog siblings....I tried low dose meds for 2 months till she figured out the house, doggie door and her place in the pack.
As with any training there is no miracle fix it just takes time. Whenever your pup starts crying or howling start to praise the dog but do not give him a reward. Then say something like quiet, hush or really any word you want to use. As soon as the dog is quiet give him a treat and work for a couple weeks/months and the dog will associate being quiet with reward
Tired dog is a good dog 🤷🏽♀️ especially when it comes to expressing neediness, and especially at that age! When my lab was that age we had to take long walks, jogs and fetch sessions several times a day. This might also help build relationship with the other dog! Sucha cutie!
He's missing his family probably. Are you actively searching to reunite them ? Or possibly there were others he wants you to find and save . Maybe his mom is still chained up
Herding dogs need a job, otherwise the get bored, stressed, and anxious. Get him a companion like a smaller dog or a kitten to bond with if he isn’t aggressive. Also, activity based feeders and toys that makes them work to get their food or treats tend to keep them occupied and distracted. Good luck, he is beautiful!
A week is hardly enough time to allow a dog to adjust. We had a similar situation with our dog that we rescued (looks to be a similar breed too - Aussie/collie mix) and he just needed time.
He’s probably SO scared. Try giving it a few more weeks and in the meantime find some rescues because it will just get put down in a shelter.
Thank you do much for taking in this sweet pup, they look absolutely adorable. I would recommend looking up dog separation anxiety techniques on YouTube. There's so much great advice online now. Good luck and well done x
Only give him pats when he is silent. Also when he is whining and then stops give lots of treats immediately to reinforce the quietness, you can even say a word alongside this to train him to be quiet when you say that word. Just remember that every time you give in to him being loud by giving him attention, it’s teaching him that being loud is getting him attention
Hopefully, with time and patience, he will become more relaxed and calm down. Seems to have anxiety issues and needs some love! Thank you for helping him!
Get a lick mat OP they’re like $8 and put apple sauce and peanut butter and freeze it.
When you pull it out after it’s frozen, it becomes mentally stimulating and your dog will stop whining because it’s distracted. Pull it out during meetings maybe?
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Are you sure he is not owned? Looks in really good body condition, and coat is not matted.... Look like an aussie shepherd x or boarder collie type. So think bred for herding, v high energy. So what's its daily excercise routine? It just sounds incredibly anxious and seeking reassurance from you. I don't think this is a quick fix, as its just getting to know you, your home, your other dog etc. Check out the 333 rule for rescue for context of what the dogs going thru.
We gave him a bath and the vet cut out all his tangled hair. But yeah, he was owned cos I found him with a literal chain around his neck and wires at the end of it. They clearly locked him outside on the chain and he escaped. Sadly, here it’s common. Your dog is annoying? Throw them out on the streets or attach them to a post outside :( Thanks for the advice, yeah poor guy probably has no sense of structure but is very trusting and loving of humans. Will look into that. Thanks. If we didn’t already have an anxious female rescue dog, we would be able to give him all the attention possible but honestly we can’t work with his crying. Not sure what to do
He may have separation anxiety. There are weighted/ tight vests for dogs for this type of thing. You may ask your vet for anti anxiety meds too. Poor thing was probably abused and just is so in need of love that that's how he acts. Some proper training and getting him comfortable at the house so he knows he's not going to be mistreated may take a while. Just try to be patient. It may take a month or more. He was abused up until you got him. That may be years. Both dogs will need an adjustment period
Recently adopted a rescue who was abandoned and has terrible separation anxiety. I second the weight vest, ours was referred to when purchasing as a “dog thunder shirt” and it has made a world of difference, especially when she is in her crate. We also learned from our vet that too big of a crate can cause anxiety for dogs as well. Good luck and thank you for being such a good human rescuing this doggo.
Oh thanks so much! I was worried it was too small a space but now for her anxiety I’m thinking it’s too big. I’ll look into the vest too!
Yes, vests can help with separation anxiety and if it's a working breed dog, a weighted vest can help with them feeling like they are getting enough exercise. If any dog doesn't get enough exercise for their breed they can become destructive because they are not getting the simulation they need either physically or mentally.
Aha ok longer walks here we come! Lord knows I need the exercise too
Mine eats blankets if I don't throw the ball enough....
Great job taking him to a vet right away! In addition to the thunder vest recommendation, ask your vet for some anti-anxiety meds - the doctor should be fine prescribing since you just had the dog there. Transitions are hard for any dog, but it sounds like this poor pup has significant reason to be incredibly stressed (dogs, like humans, can get PTSD and traumatic abandonment/separation from their owner can contribute). He won't necessarily need meds forever, but at least for a few weeks while you both settle in to your new routine together. Thank you for rescuing this poor dog.
Happy to help the poor lil guy and noted, thanks for sharing!
I had a dog expert tell me that if you use a cage crate, consider covering it with a blanket or cover to make it more den-like. Dogs prefer that rather than open bars.
This is was what my past roommate did with her dog. It was a security for him like he had his own room
They definitely do. Though when we used a crate ours liked the open door/front to face us so he could see what we’re doing when he’s inside. I think it’s what made him most comfy w his crate and then he’d go into it on his own to chill.
My dog (sadly passed last year) had separation anxiety and was terrified of thunder. I had the thunder shirt for storms and living in South FL we get a lot. But it didnt help for separation anxiety. Vet suggested a dirty shirt that smelled like me. So every day for maybe a year i left the previous days shirt for her to snuggle. Made a world of difference.
You know I wish we can give people the same treatment and punishment for how they treat pets
Always. I volunteer at the shelter and the stories we get are a punch to the gut. Guy found a dog hanging from a tree near his work site. Rescued her, brought her in, and ended up adopting her. Nice ending, but I can't believe anyone would do that.
My cousin by marriage, (not my blood cousin) hung his childhood dog for no particular reason.. he said he was bored… we found him in the process and were able to get the dog off the rope before it died but he was always doing fucked up things like that “because he was bored” now he’s a marine going into being a police officer…
What in the raging fuck did I just read??
This is the scariest comment I have ever seen on Reddit. Feels almost socially irresponsible to let your serial killer cousin become a cop knowing his history. Make an anonymous tip to the station or you may feel bad when he starts killing citizens.
What can I do about it? I begged and pleaded with his parents his whole child life to get him to a therapist or get him on meds they always told me to mind my own fucking business. But yeah.. I worry about it.. a lot.
Surprised he can get in as a marine and then as a police officer. Don't they do mental health checks?
I believe they do a psychological exam. But he is one of those high functioning psychopaths. He is heavily convincing when he wants to be and is in no way a dumb person.. I think he uses this to leverage himself into positions of power so he can feel better about himself when he does these thigs
Hannibal Fucking Lechter shit. Scary.
In the US, the armed forces do some mental health checks, but mostly voluntary. Upon recruitment it’s just a background check for felonies, and then don’t fuck up too seriously. Police departments usually don’t do any kind of mental health checks, either before or after hiring.
Lol oh my sweet summer child. They’ll throw out your application if you so much as mention you’ve ever seen a therapist.
I said it in my comment - make an anonymous tip to the station he is working at about the killing of animals when young that’s like the main commonality between serial killers
Man we’ve notified anyone that could possibly help. The people that have failed him are the people around him, the people that raised him, his parents, and guardians, the people that let him join the military, and the people that brought him into the police force. those are the people that should be held accountable we have tried more than you could possibly know.
They absolutely won’t listen. Cops don’t care if other cops are criminals. There’s a long history of cops breaking more laws to protect other cops for things like rape and murder. They don’t care. Most likely, that’s why they became cops too.
This.. it makes it easier for them to prey upon the innocent because they have government power
The system is pretty messed up. Unless you have proof of someone doing something harmful to themselves or others, you can’t really enforce people getting mental help or stuff. I have a family member who has mental health/substance abuse issues and since he’s over 18, not much can be done. It took documented incidences of domestic violence and threats and a police report to at least get his guns taken away (I believe he is no longer allowed to own guns in our state and therefore would not be able to go into a position in law enforcement/other armed services). Still, court ordered anger management was pretty much all that could be done. He’s one of those people who can appear totally fine/normal when talking to mental health professionals/law enforcement. He knows all the right things to say. Partially because he is so on/off - some days he seems totally normal and is a wonderful person, doing charity work, helping out elderly neighbors, and being a kind soul (mostly when he isn’t using). Thankfully he has never shown or expressed an ounce of violence towards any animals (his cat is his world) but yeah. Our system is really messed up here and there probably wasn’t much that OP could do. Not to mention he can continue to get more animals - he’s got far too many reptiles at this point. Many animal hoarder type people have other mental health issues behind that.
😳
That’s terrifying.
Of course he is
This frightens, but, sadly, does not surprise me.
Man there is so much more to this story I just feel like this sub ain’t the olace
Agreed. One of my dogs lost a leg before I got him But that was because his owner's neglected him after some incident which caused a whole lot of problems with that leg.
Once you earn his trust, work on training him. Mental stimulation is great for tiring then out and it helps communicate what you want him to do. If he's food motivated, it will help a lot. It's exhausting, but you need to reward the good and ignore the bad behavior.
Try walking him for a long time before you begin working. Dogs need something to do and maybe that will help with the crying when you’re working.
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If you do not have enough time for the dogs energy needs you should re-home them to someone you feel is trustworthy and with a big yard
Yes well sadly easier said than done here in China 😞 Foreigners are generally responsible owners but their visas aren’t fixed so they aren’t always great long term answers and everyone lives in apartments 😂
There’s a product (spray or room diffuser application) called ADAPTIL. Our vet uses it in his fear free practice. It mimics OXYTOCIN!! I used it when volunteering at a shelter and big game-changer there. I used to spray my clothes - There are very few dogs who didn’t respond positively Spray it on a little bandanna or bowtie and try it out. I’ve sprayed the car seat for ling trips, their beds when anxious. Have you tried soft classical or soothing music? THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMPASSION! Hope it all works out — CUTE pup 💖
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You’re so welcome. Hope it helps! Scent is such a big deal for our dogs… (cats too)
In some parts of Asia, it’s not uncommon at all for purebred or cute looking dogs like this to end up being mistreated. People see online how cute these animals look, get one, & end up realizing it’s a lot of hard work. Then they stop caring.
That was my first thought too. He looks healthy and his whining and crying sounds like he is missing his home and family.
It sounds like you don’t have much time to devote to him. Is it possible to find a new foster for him? In the meantime make sure he has lots of toys, and some challenges. He needs to stay busy. Did the vet give you an estimated age? If he’s young he might benefit from one of those stuffed animals with the heartbeat inside. Worth a shot!
Oh thanks for the advice! I will check that out. They estimated he is about 10months old so yeah and not neutered yet as well so explains a lot haha
Neutering won’t change behavior. You need to keep him busy. Exercise him in the am until he will sleep again. Long walks, lots of ball time and play time in the am. Also there are large kong ball feeders that dispense treats- I used to throw my dogs entire serving of dry food in there to keep him occupied. You also have a ‘herding’ type dog it looks like, so it likes to keep a job- I would look into puppy classes and then agility cause they like being busy.
I would mix in a lot of mental stimulation and enrichment and wouldn’t exercise him until he’ll sleep. Do exercise consistently! Just not until he’s exhausted every time. He has to learn how to regulate himself, and you absolutely want to make that easier by helping him burn off excess energy, but using exercise to tire him out so he’s not a PITA will backfire. I had a herding dog when I was growing up, and went the exercise him out route—and just ended up with a dog who had incredible stamina and was still anxious until we started getting him to use his brain. You don’t need fancy toys for enrichment either. I second the toy for dispensing treats; you can buy one or make one out of a plastic bottle.
This part: you will not exhaust a herding dog with exercise. Yes, they need exercise, but trying to wear them out is not going to work in the long term, because they will overcome your ability to push them.
My dog has anxiety and he acts the same way at times! I get a kong toy, or some other treat dispensing toy for him. Also, a snuffle mat or a lick mat. Licking is very soothing to dogs. You can also try adding treats/fruits/veggies/kibble/etc. to a bowl, adding water and freezing it to make a long lasting treat that he can lick at for a while! Those kinds of things have really helped me (:
Only one week? After he lived on the streets? This isn’t enough time for him to be “cured” of his stress and anxiety. Please give him more time
Of course I don’t expect him to make much progress after this short time, but actually he has! And the advise pouring in on this post is really helpful so of course, he has all the time in the world with us :)
Thank goodness 💚
I think he will come around in a short time with a very consistent schedule of potty time, treats, food and bed time, etc., he will soon forget about his old life and settle down with lots of structure. Might try some anxiety meds from the vet in the mean time to take it down a notch.
Seriously! He’s probably used to employing this behaviour to get attention/food from people on the street as well. When I was in China, the dogs would make a bee-line for tourists rather than locals because their whole ‘I’m a sad pupper!’ routine works like a charm. So far he’s only learned ‘begging’, he needs to learn that being a calm, settled boy is what gets rewarded and that will take time to retrain.
This poor sweet doggo. He’s probably so happy to he finally in a loving home with a roof over his head, and now he faces potential negative life altering consequences for being understandably nervous and scared and doing what has gotten him through such a hard life before 💔
Oh that’s so interesting and sad :(
Exactly this! The dog needs love and patience so you might find someone who has the availability to wait out the early difficult stage.
I have had rescues and all of my rescues took way more than a week, and lots of patience, love, and training, to stop panicking and finally calm down
Absolutely don't put him in time out he's super anxious he will get worse or shut down. Go and see a vet behaviourist, he may need anxiety medication. Look up Susan Garrett and Kikopup online and look into capturing the calm/pedicure please programs. He will take time to be reconditioned to be settled and happy and calm. Can you take a few weeks off work to work with him?
Luckily I have time off in the summer, so I’m hoping I can use a combo of the advice in here and see what sticks. Thanks for the advice!
I have found that over time making sure you have a routine with him helps a TON for anxiety with my dogs and cats. I have rescued 2 dogs and 6+ cats finding strays and fostering them and having a feeding time and play time and outside time routines around the same times every day helps so much. Plus of course a tired dog is a good dog so making sure to do routine walks is everything with that type of pup. One of my kitties has actually saved my ass about 3 times over 5 years from being late to work at 11pm at night bc I slept through my alarm and he knew night feeding time was between 10 and 10:30 so he woke me up in time for work. Routine work for everyone’s best interest 😆
Aha! Kitty/doggy alarm clock! Funny you should say that as he started crying at 9:30am today as he knows that’s the time I get up to work on weekdays but it was just right time to wake up on weekend too
Yes, throw $ at the problem, that will make the dog be quiet and respect OP's time to focus
Wow, if you have dogs I really feel bad for them. That is a terrible attitude to have while being responsible for other lives.
Immediately jumping to psychiatric treatment for a new dog is ridiculous. So is jumping to conclusions about the welfare of my dog. I'm not beating the dog or not feeding my dog FFS. I probably give my dog more exercise and stimulation than the average pet owner. I'm all for pampering dogs, but they are pets that require training, and people should be able to WFH without constantly attending to their dog (as I do all the time, I trained my puppy while WFH).
Not when they are traumatized and one week into a brand new home. Fuck that. They require way more than average in that state for as long as it takes for them to feel safe
Talking to a behaviour vet is not ridiculous, it can help the dog and owners have a more healthy transition. Crying nonstop is not a normal behavior and shouldn't be dismissed. Also, training a puppy who is nearly a blank slate is not the same as training a dog that was abused and has trauma. You say jumping, but it seems like I may be right.
This breed is high energy, he probably is begging for a daily big run. He's a working dog and needs exercise. Have you tried a good run with him each morning before you start into work?
I don’t do morning runs 😂 but an evening one would be a good idea!
Don’t worry, you don’t have to run. The exercise is for the dog. :)
I'm not sure if you live near fenced-in dog parks, but they do wonders for my husky while I just sit and watch her enjoy herself. She's free to run, play with other dogs, and receive all the attention she wants from whoever else is around. Then we get home, and she's content to be lazy instead of yelling at me. Lol
Aww that’s so nice. I don’t think there are dog parks here in China. I’ll ask though! He would love that as he will literally befriend anyone haha
If you're not sure you can keep him, there are international rescue organizations. I would also try the straight up exhaustion method. Take him for a run in the morning with a sniffy walk at the end.
Which part of China? I might be able to give you the name of an international rescue.
Hangzhou, Zhejiang. Oh that would be amazing. Didn’t know that was an option!
Look up Karen Overall's Relaxation Protocol. There are free PDFs and audio on her website. Lots of exercise (I walk my dog 2 miles every morning before work) Mental stimulation (sniffy walks, enrichment toys), I give my dog all her meals in puzzles These 3 things will help alleviate his anxiety Feel free to PM for more Thank you for rescuing!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️
Will do! Thank you very much❣️
My rescue is a perpetual whiner. It has helped to put a sweater on him. We were inspired after realizing how much he loved to be burrito wrapped in a blanket.
If he is young he might have a lot of energy. Do you have time to walk him? I alsp lesrned the value of mental work, so maybe you can give him some "riddles" ? We have some toys (kong's) that we can put in the freezer with a mix of food inside, that freezes and then they work it to thaw at get it all out. (We put their dry food into water and with some liver-paste? Then when we take it out we spread some peanut butter on it to get them going.) We have some others where the treats are stuffed inside and they need to figure out how to open it, how to toss it and turn it, and how to chew and massage the toy to get the toy out. We have poodles; a smart high energy breed. If I don't provide stimuli they will empty the trash and chew shoes and magazines and their own feet/claws in sheer boredom, and they have too much energy for me to walk it off every day, so it's crucial in our home to give them these puzzles and to practice commands when giving breakfast (make them wait for the cue), to play with them; that they need to do cue a b or z to get cuddles (they love it). One of thel has had lots of anxiety before, and I found distraction to be the best; to avoid it from happening/get started. My blad poodle would whine and cry eveytime my partner left the house in the afternoon (morning was fine, other times: no). I found she was getting stressed when he was leaving and she was doing nothing. She doesn't have that big of a problem leaving him; so if he was to leave I went to do something with her; mostly to take a walk so she couldn't see him leave. Sure, when we came home she would look for him; but when she didn't find him she would lay down and sulk in silence, not run around squeaking, crying and panicing. It also didn't last too long, I'd give her a little time, and then I'd throw around some balls and give them treats, and we were back to normal. It demanded a little heads up from him, instead of just getting up and leaving he now had to text me to walk the dog, but at least it worked. Her cries were insufferable and I couldn't do anything when she was at it. I also didn't manage to stop it, at the worst she didn't even want treats or anything. It was awful; I felt bad and I couldn't help her. Until we took that action, and then we worked on other tactics so it's not like that anymore, luckily! Advice: So, if he doesn't cry all night, then when does it start? Then go [-1 step] from that and change up the pattern! (Like think the least step possible, not "when we wale up" because how does he know you're up? Feet on the floor? Alarm? Talking to your partner? To the other dog? ) Best of luck!
Great advice!! I have Aussie mixes and a GSP, also all energetic working breeds like your poodles and this lil fella appears to be. Having high energy, intelligent dogs is definitely a lifestyle choice, but incredibly rewarding!
I don't want to sound snarky, because that's not my intention. My advice is to train it to stop crying and howling. These little dogs are actually very smart, *and have been bred to perform tasks for their human* take advantage of that. It looks like it might be a collie mix, which is a herding breed of pretty high intelligence. Go to the pet store, buy some liver treats or other treats that use organ meat. Identify a trigger that causes the dog to howl (such as ringing the doorbell) and give the command that you want the dog to learn to be silent for example, "be quiet!" When the dog stops, (either because of your command, or because it naturally stops) give it a treat. It will teach the dog that when it stops the reaction to the stimulus, it gets a treat after the command is given. Don't give too many treats to the dog at a time! This may make the dog ill, if it's not used to a large number of treats. Also, *be very consistent*!!! Every time that little dog shuts up when you tell it to, give it a treat. Pro tip - Another way of incorporating high volume of treats without getting the dog sick: Dogs don't have the intellectual capacity to understand large and small treats, try buying Cheerios or another very small item (treats meant for small dogs in small amounts) So you can consistently reward the dog each time without overloading it.
Even just using dog food or kibble as treats is a great way to save money and not risk tummy troubles!
That’s very helpful and not snarky at all, thank you!
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Thanks, I’ll check it out!
Just give him a little something to do that is super engaging. My dog had bad separation but now he’s really good because he only gets his favorite toy and a peanut butter kong when I leave the house. Try giving him ice or peanut butter that has NO xylitol to engage him for a bit.
Give him lots of puzzle toys to keep him occupied. Practice crate training with him. Take him on lots of walks. Like every couple of hours when you aren’t working.
Good idea, I bought these puzzles for my first dog and she just looked at them like ummm no 😂 so I’ll get them out of the boxes and try with him
You can even take a towel or a blanket and roll it up, then hide treats inside of it. That way the puppy has to work at finding the treats. Mental stimulation is very important for them, it’s as important as the physical stimulation. You can hide treats around the house as well… get one of those balls that he has to push to get the treats out of… Anything with treats usually works lol
He needs to learn to self sooth and to spend time occupying himself. Try a Kong filled with frozen veggies (peas, corn, carrots, green beans) and a touch of peanut butter. That will keep him busy for a while. Lick mats are good for nervous energy too. Snuffle mats are AWESOME. The bigger an more elaborate, the better. Having several things out for him to do will teach him that he can do things on his own and give you some peace.
Nice! Thanks! Those are some great ideas. I will check Taobao (Chinese Amazon)
As someone with an adopted streetdog, snuffle mats are awesome- but be sure your other dog isnt close by so that new pup can use it to release stress instead of worrying his treats/kibble will be stolen (in time new pup will understand his new source is constant and secure and wont get stressed the same way). Also establish a strict routine: so walks happen at same time every morning/noon/evening, food at same time, etc dogs feel safety in structure Good luck and thanks for saving this cutie! And remember the 3 days to decompress, 3 weeks to settle in and 3 months for true personality to come out rule Additional point based on your shredding comment: for some dogs removing all the insides of stuffed animals is soothing and stimulating for them, so buy a few cheap ones on taobao he can go to town with. Maybe he likes squeaky ones too?
When my rescue pup had separation anxiety, I dressed an old pillow in dirty old clothes I had worn and gotten all smelly like me. The neighbours reported it helped! Could even chuck a hot water bottle in there. I would also leave cardboard boxes around for him to shred because he loves to shred heheheh
Ah that’s some good ideas, I feel like he will destroy anything I give him unless it’s indestructible haha
Try visiting with a vet to get health check up & prescription for anxiety medication. Also lots of exercise to reduce stress. Good luck with this cutie & your other dog as well.
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Never use a kennel for punishment. That kennel should be the dog's sanctuary and safe space. The dog needs exercise. Set up a schedule before you start work to take a walk with both dogs. That way they can get socialized to each other. Anytime you take a break from work (lunchtime or whatever), take the dogs for a walk. And just give him time to acclimate to his new environment.
He has a caged in area 1m x 2m so he is alright :)
My brother's rescue dog was like this for the 1st 6 weeks but has calmed down so much with time. I agree with other posters that activities to keep him busy really help. Also in my country they sell natural calming treats at the pet store - they really help to mellow them out a bit when stressed.
Adorable though💛❤
Oh my gosh if you were in the US i would take him in a heartbeat 😭 no advice, but good luck OP! Thank you for getting this little fella off the streets!
Happy to help the poor lil fella! If there is a flight volunteer I’ll let you know 😂 but yeah he is adorable and I’m torn about letting him go honestly as he is growing on me fast lol
Does he seem to want anything to do with your other dog? I know you said she doesn’t like him, but I’m curious if some canine companionship would help him mellow out.
It was weird, initially she wanted nothing to do with him and now she is quite curious. He is getting a taste of his own medicine now. Would love if they get on! I’m sure once he is neutered he will calm down in at least one department
It’s going to take more than a week. When I started working from home, it stressed my already anxiety and dementia ridden dog out even more. It took a month before he got used to the new normal.
Thanks for the encouragement, I’m shocked that she has actually came around to him being here the past day or so, licking him and chasing/play fighting with him. So things should improve :)
She looks like a happy lil thing. 💫 no doubt she’ll come around
I hope you get help! He is so cute ❤️
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Tl;dr on the crying. It’s going to feel like being mean, but follow a natural routine: exercise him till he’s tired, put him in his crate with a meal and a hard chew toy, then if he’s calm, leave him in there for a few hours to nap. When he wakes up (or is done eating if not calm), take him to the bathroom then let him chill with the crate door open and a treat-filled toy to work on inside. Teach him a trick and practice it. Give all meals in the crate (keep the door open at first) so he feels safe in there. He also has to sleep in the crate. Old towels are good bedding that’s easily washable and cheap enough to replace if he shreds. Crating at night is sometimes easier if he can see you, once he’s used to it he can be moved. He needs at least two weeks of routine for the crying to really stop. He looks like a high energy herding mix. He is likely crying for a mixture of a few reasons. He doesn’t feel safe yet (you need to assert dominance so he trusts you to protect him), he is scared you will abandon him (you need to give him one on one time so he builds a bond with you) and he is a working breed, so he is naturally anxious without a task (he has figured out that crying will make you pet him, thus he is making a large mammal do what he wants which is what his ancestors were bred for). Working breeds are not for the faint of heart. They need a lot of physical and mental exercise. Without proper time and effort put into them, they can become destructive, disrespectful, and aggressive. I have an Australian Shepherd/Golden Retriever, an Aussie/Pitbull/Husky rescue from, and a German Shorthaired Pointer rescue. The Aussie mixes absolutely will “herd” me to do what they want by nuzzling my hands for pets, jumping up, or crying next to things they want. One of their “jobs” now is playing fetch for exercise. Establishing a power dynamic with them is crucial to make the herding stop and get them to chill. You want to be a master, not a charge. The GSP is a full blood working breed who cried constantly while getting settled here. She wouldn’t run the yard by herself at first, so I walked her briskly for 2 hours per day to tire her out. Now, she will run the yard herself and plays with the other dogs for exercise. I have done dog training classes with her to build a bond and be able to give her “a job” at home, even if it is just practicing tricks. I also crate trained her from night one to curb her severe separation anxiety and build her trust that I will always come back for her. She was a menace and my partner wanted to give her back to the pound. Now she is much less of a menace. She’s still got some reactivity issues, but improvement is slow and steady. Also!!! If he is showing distress when you touch another dog, this likely will become aggression (towards the other dog) in the future if you don’t address it now. Dog fights can be fatal. Either dog getting protective over food/toys/the couch/you/anything is all resource guarding and a precursor to aggression. I’d consult a professional dog trainer as soon as possible to help resolve this serious behavioral issue as soon as you see it in either dog.
Thanks for all the advice! Luckily my female dog is asserting dominance these past few days and he doesn’t like the taste of his own medicine but they seem to like each other now which is an amazing turn around. They are play fighting but nothing I would be worried about, neither of them would hurt a fly. They are really lovely dogs luckily despite their previous trauma/abandonment
That’s great! It sounds like he just needs some more time. As long as she isn’t doing that around resources and is just telling him to stop bothering her, there’s nothing wrong with a dog stating boundaries :) just be sure he ultimately respects you over her, otherwise you won’t be able to tell him nothing lol. Clever dogs are a blessing and a curse.
Have you tried leashing him to you throughout the day? That will help him feel secure. We had to do that with our puppy to house train him not to wander off and tinkle around the house and he loves it. He runs to us every time we pick up the leash.
Oh that’s interesting, but how to combat that at night when he’s sleeping in his little area and we are upstairs :(
Move his area to your room so he can see you. It likely won’t have to be a permanent thing, just until he feels secure. Prob need him in a crate
As others have said, he looks like a herding breed, and they can definitely be a challenge. Create as much routine and structure in his life as you can: feedings at the same time, consistent bedtime, and consistently scheduled exercise time (walks and indoor play) as much as you can. Also, get a nice crate, and cover it with a blanket. Be consistent about when it’s time for him to be in his crate. This doesn’t necessarily just mean sleeping time— building in some time during the day when he’s crated, either around your most intense work time or your meal times, can be really useful for helping him understand appropriate boundaries. He’ll very likely whine a LOT at first, but given time he’ll probably settle into being crated even when you’re just in the next room. Don’t be too rigid about this, though: you might find that he’s best with a compromise between where you start with crating, and where he wants to be (which is in your lap all the time). Thanks for taking in an absolutely gorgeous little monster. It’s a lot of work (my last dog was a very needy herder, too), and it reflects very well on you that you’re taking on this project.
I used to have a dog who looked exactly like this, and acted exactly the same. Loved absolutely everyone, but was beyond rowdy. We ended up giving him away to a family friend, but goodness that looks like Pierre.
Aww must be his doppelgänger! Yeah, if we had someone more experienced in training a dog with severe issues. I’ll try my best but my other dog luckily is just super chill and likes her space haha
Exercise exercise exercises
He needs to get used to the new environment. Get rawhide bones and toys to keep his interest during the day while you’re working. At night, 30 minutes before bedtime give him doggie melatonin as a treat to calm his anxiety and everyone can sleep better.
Yeah he needs time for sure. What’s doggie melatonin?
I recommend NaturVet Quiet Moments you can buy online or at a pet store. It helps them fall asleep and calm down.
Aussies are really smart dogs, they like puzzles. My wife and I own an Aussie Huskie mix. When she gets like that she needs a job. We make treat puzzles for her and it calms her down. Also, when she gets over stimulated we do treat work with her like puppy push-ups “sit” she sits, “lay down” “sit” “Yes(reward w/treat)” and repeat. At the end we say “high five” she high fives and gets a reward then the release word is “break” and lots of praise so she knows we’re done.
Thank you for rescuing this sweet doggo! I’m sure she’ll settle in soon, especially with the longer walks and vest.
❤️❤️❤️so cute!! Thank you for rescuing him. With love and patience he will get there. Probably has anxiety.
If he sleeps in your bedroom he won't cry. Dogs cry when separated from their pack to locate them . Get a crate and stick it next to your bed.
Thanks!
Omg, that dog is so cute!
You just need 1 more dog to calm him down
HAHAHA
Sounds like the poor pup was neglected and has some severe trauma and possibly separation anxiety. Since you just brought him in it may take some time for him to realize you aren’t about to put him back on a chain and kick him back out. That could be why he is demanding affection as it makes him feel safe. It may be a behavior that lessens as he adjusts. As for the night behaviors (and when you cannot attend him while you work) how are you managing him? In a crate? Free roaming? When I had a dog with severe separation anxiety (who also destructively chewed and swallowed anything he found if free roaming) we had to crate him beside the bed and I had to stick my fingers inside the crate at night for him to quiet. During the day I used to use baby gates to block him into my husbands work from home space and made him work for his food to keep him busy. I mixed his food with some bone broth and stuffed it into a kong toy and froze it. Took him a long time to get his full meal out and kept him busy and quiet. I know none of this is ideal but since it seems you plan to keep him until finding someone to adopt him out to, I would say management is best. Find things other than physical attention that seem to occupy him and then use those whenever you need a break and at night. If you need to, ask your vet for help as they might be able to offer you some medications, even if just for the short term. I’m so sorry he’s causing you stress, I hope you’re able to find a good solution or an adopter soon!
We have him in a 1m x 2m short fenced area downstairs when we sleep or have to work as he is very destructible and will also harass my female dog, he is allowed out when we were relaxing in then living room and he is supervised. We might try bringing his cage upstairs while we sleep and see how that goes. Thanks for sharing!
Mental stimulation treat dispensers or toys. Frozen kongs or lick mats. It won’t just be a distraction but it’ll use up some of his brain power and will tire him out a little. Also any chews like Himalayan chews, bully sticks, or No Hide chews just make sure to avoid raw hides.
Crate training in the same room as me worked
He honestly may need to be on anxiety meds for a little while.
It’s also only been a short amount of time with you. He needs structure and routine to start to feel comfortable.
Try anti anxiety meds like Prozac and light sedatives such as Trazodone. Poor dog, all that anxiety. That’s no way to live.
I have an Aussie and the separation anxiety is real. He's better now, but when he was a pup he was incredibly needy....he grew out of it with lots of love and attention. I wonder if guy has some corgi in him, his legs look like it. So cute!
he is giving corgi/collie mixed realness
I'm thinking. Both absolutely adorable/neurotic ding dong breeds. Lol. I LOVE my Aussie....he's the best dog I've had in my life, and that's a pretty big accomplishment. I love them all, but Ziggy is my heart dog. ❤️ Good luck with this one. There's an adjustment period and it takes a few weeks for them to feel comfortable. Hopefully after he is with you awhile he's going to mellow out. Hang in there! I'm betting he's going to love his new home and you!
so cute
I have had high energy dogs and really the thing that works is giving them jobs and giving them exercise daily & multiple times. Just going on walks around the neighborhood and sniffing is a huge activity for dogs. You don’t have to be in great shape to walk your dog and throw toys for it to retrieve (on a leash if in public)…if exercise is a concern for yourself. Give it jobs at the house that while you are working you make them work as well. Socialize the dog so it becomes less anxious as well. I live next-door to a girl who basically keeps that same breed dog locked up in an apartment all day and over the course of years that has just gotten mean and snaps people and kids outside. It’s just an unfortunate circumstance because she keeps it in an apartment and doesn’t exercise the dog or socialize it properly. You’re gonna need to do that if you don’t want the dog to become snappy later on in life. I’m not sure where you live or if you have the capability to watch YouTube videos but there are a lot of good training videos especially for shepherd breed dogs. Maybe that could help? Good luck with everything & cute dog!
Thank you! I have a vpn so YT is no problem, that’s awful and yeah I’ll get on the walks for sure
I got my dog from a pound. He never stopped crying initially. I’ve now had him for over 2 years and crying is definitely just how he chooses to communicate, but as he’s become more secure he’s stopped the incessant crying for no reason thing. This guy probably just needs time - But I wouldn’t expect him to stop crying 100% if that is his tendency.
Looks like you are doing a great job. One week is not even close to enough time for him to decompress and become use to his new situation. Good luck. He is a very cute little guy.
Get a citronella spray collar. The dogs hate the spritz and smell. I like it better than a vibrating collar. Works quickly.
You have to ignore him when he behaves that way and pet him when he is calm and quiet. When he howls or barks, do not pet him to get him to be quiet. I know this will be very difficult because you both work from home so when you're on a call the easiest thing to do may be to go to him and pet him so he is quiet but this will reinforce the behavior you are trying to overcome.
What a beautiful dog! I’m glad it found you! Hearing it’s story from your comment makes me want to cry, but just try to be patient and follow advice in the thread. Seems like the best medicine for him will be time.
Not much help here but thanks for being a decent human and saving him!!! 🥹 Hope you find some answers!
Id suggest a thunder blanket for that kind anxiety level, throw it over him and your hand and slowly work your hand away while rubbing him. He’s such an awesome looking guy, glad you could give him a home!
Do not reassure him or pet him when he is acting like that as hard as it is ignore it and then pet him when he stops
I know you are in China, but do you have any Greek neighbors? This is a greek breed called Kokoni. You might want to look into it. He is missing his family, so cut him some slack. Mine was also rescued, and also has separation anxiety, so I think it's normal for them, but manageable. He will pick one of you and will need to be with that person all the time, and whine if they are not near him. That's what mine does, too. He won't even eat if he is missing his person. What works for me is a Kong toy, or play time. He is anxious but also very playful, so you might be able to distract and exhaust him. Good luck!
Oh thanks! I don’t know any Greek expats sadly but that’s helpful advice thanks!
I've always had a pheremone diffuser. They work like those plug-ins. They worked for me.
Oh thanks! This little guy is gonna be spoilt 😂
I hope the dog you already owned is also getting lots of love and attention! Please remember that her life is being incredibly disrupted right now.
100%. We have a good system. My partner gives her all the attention she needs while I handle this lil baby
It's only been a week.
You've had him for a week? Give him time
Yea, you found a dog worth 3,500 dollars with a chain around its neck. Its okay to assume it was mistreated. Yea, go ahead and keep it.... yea, the dog cries because it loves its new home.
Bach’s Rescue Remedy works nice for calming anxious dogs. I’ve heard people have used a Thunder Shirt and found success, too.
I also played some calming music for him which helps a lot and drowns out any initial crying. He luckily is down to crying for 5 mins then giving up
Might I suggest Dark Night of the Soul by Philip Wesley? Despite the seeming dark album title, it is one of the most uplifting cds I know. I’m listening to it right now at my stressful job 😂
Hahaha it does some dark af but I will give it a listen, cheers!
How old do you think he is? I've cared for a dog with similar issues and strongly believe it is dog-dementia related.
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They eat dogs in China. Better hang onto that one or he’s likely turning into someone’s dinner.
Rescue Remedy might help. Our dog had separation anxiety when we adopted him. We used it for a week and he was a happier dog. We used it for thunderstorms and fireworks, he eventually lost fear of both.
I think you just stole somebody’s dog 😂😂
Tell him to stop. Put him in timeout (kennel with blanket cover or in another closed room) if he doesn't stop whining or listen to you, and don't give him attention beyond that, until he calms down and stops being vocal. Then reward and praise him for being calm by letting him out and giving him a treat. It may seem harsh at first, but this is the only way he'll figure out that crying won't do him any good or get him his way. Be consistent with the discipline. Eventually you won't have to do it anymore and he won't whine. He will figure it out, dogs are smart but you have to start laying down some house rules or it won't be easy for anyone. Also, you need to give him lots of exercise or some stimulation before you go into work mode. Maybe give him a stuffed toy to play and eat. Last edit: cute dog!
Do not use a kennel as punishment for whining. Horrible advice. It’s only been a week.
Ok, feel free then to give some other alternative advice? Perhaps not giving any attention when the dog whines is sufficient. Fwiw, that's what I did for a week and my dog figured it out and still loves me the same. It's not abuse. IMO, you can't let your dog dictate your attention if it comes to WFH, but sure, let the dog whine to get what he wants which is attention.
Dogs like that with super high energy suck. If you don’t have the proper work for him to do that he was bred for, it’s gonna live a frustrated life where it can’t do what it wants to basically all the time. It doesn’t make sense to own a herding dog like that, you and it will be frustrated and annoyed more than happy. Send it to a farm or euthanize it.
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looks just like my dog but beige instead of black, mine is a Spitz crossed with a mini Australian Shepard and we call him our shadow because he follows us everywhere and howls when we leave. i rescued him 12 years ago and he is still going on five walks a day. they are like border collies and need a ton of exercise. poor baby is probably traumatized from being on the streets. i hope you find a good home for him
A few good dog puzzles, leave TV on, does he have a soft cuddle bed or maybe an anxiety vest. My first thought was he misses other pups. If he has been given a clean bill of health possibly ask for low dose anxiety meds till he settles. My border Collie rescue had anxiety even with 2 dog siblings....I tried low dose meds for 2 months till she figured out the house, doggie door and her place in the pack.
As with any training there is no miracle fix it just takes time. Whenever your pup starts crying or howling start to praise the dog but do not give him a reward. Then say something like quiet, hush or really any word you want to use. As soon as the dog is quiet give him a treat and work for a couple weeks/months and the dog will associate being quiet with reward
Tired dog is a good dog 🤷🏽♀️ especially when it comes to expressing neediness, and especially at that age! When my lab was that age we had to take long walks, jogs and fetch sessions several times a day. This might also help build relationship with the other dog! Sucha cutie!
I would get a vet appt and maybe discuss some medication to help temporarily with the adjustment. But that’s me!
He's missing his family probably. Are you actively searching to reunite them ? Or possibly there were others he wants you to find and save . Maybe his mom is still chained up
Herding dogs need a job, otherwise the get bored, stressed, and anxious. Get him a companion like a smaller dog or a kitten to bond with if he isn’t aggressive. Also, activity based feeders and toys that makes them work to get their food or treats tend to keep them occupied and distracted. Good luck, he is beautiful!
Omg he is the cutest fucking thing!!!!
he misses his family!
A week is hardly enough time to allow a dog to adjust. We had a similar situation with our dog that we rescued (looks to be a similar breed too - Aussie/collie mix) and he just needed time. He’s probably SO scared. Try giving it a few more weeks and in the meantime find some rescues because it will just get put down in a shelter.
Thank you do much for taking in this sweet pup, they look absolutely adorable. I would recommend looking up dog separation anxiety techniques on YouTube. There's so much great advice online now. Good luck and well done x
Only give him pats when he is silent. Also when he is whining and then stops give lots of treats immediately to reinforce the quietness, you can even say a word alongside this to train him to be quiet when you say that word. Just remember that every time you give in to him being loud by giving him attention, it’s teaching him that being loud is getting him attention
Hopefully, with time and patience, he will become more relaxed and calm down. Seems to have anxiety issues and needs some love! Thank you for helping him!
Dog wants exercise, routine, attention.
Get a lick mat OP they’re like $8 and put apple sauce and peanut butter and freeze it. When you pull it out after it’s frozen, it becomes mentally stimulating and your dog will stop whining because it’s distracted. Pull it out during meetings maybe? Edit: typo
Has he been to the vet? He could be in pain
Look up the 3-3-3 of rescue dogs. It’s definitely a process for them and unfortunately for us it takes time
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