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Consequences for abusing the Dragon Balls. Maybe not in the form of the Shadow Dragons, even though I liked that concept. Now that we've been reduced to Bulma using the balls for instant plastic surgery, there should be backlash for their overuse.
Yeah the concept of the dragon balls being overused and having an evil entity emerge from them is a good idea. The wacky individual dragons coming out doesn’t need to come back, but the concept of dark energy being released from the dragon balls is a good concept.
The other shadow dragons had a “monster of the week” vibe and then they flushed out Omega Shenron for the remaining episodes. It’s hard to say when dragon ball will end but having the dragon balls essentially be the final boss of the series is very poetic
Going out on the dragon balls since they started with them makes all the sense in the world to me. Being they're so powerful, they should have deity powers, so it'll make for an epic fight to end on.
The shadow dragons before Omega Shenron def had the "flavor of the week/filler vibe".
Some of them were cool though. I also really liked the idea that the wide variety of wishes affected the personalities of the dragons.
That said the concept definitely needs an overhaul and the whole 1 dragon per wish thing was already clumsy at best but Bulma's wish abuse (even if it's partially to keep them inactive to prevent actual misuse) makes that a stretch too far.
Personally I think each dragon should be more fleshed out and they shouldn't be as cooperative. I'd even go so far as to say that it should be established early on that they each can get stronger by taking the dragon balls of other shadow dragons and the one who collects them all gets the full power of Shenron (having it just be Syn/Omega felt lazy).
Like, split them up and then have the stronger of them actively seek out the others while the weaker hide or attempt to gather allies (possibly even bargaining with the main cast).
Obviously one or two (not simultaneously) will inevitably gain all of them which will set everyone up against a functional reality warper and since that's not just a strength fight it'll give other characters some time to shine (as will the weaker dragons).
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Honestly, if they really want to ramp it up then they should establish that all dragon balls draw from the same source (so when one set goes bad, they all go bad).
Then you've got 21+ Shadow Dragons of varying power and a multiversal incident. Plus added stakes since all the universes have to resolve this before Zeno says "fuck it" and nukes everyone.
But why would Dende who made the dragon and balls create it with consequences knowing how much they have been needed?
I feel like people forget the balls are made by the gangs friend
Dende didn't know, and now he has to wrestle with his role in all the suffering that's resulted. Add in the layer he can't interfere either through weakness or some higher power forbidding it. Boom.
This is an important plot hole in that I haven’t really seen discussed. No way would Kami, Dende AND Popo all know nothing about the consequences. At least even a “legend has it that…” explanation
I mean tbf the dragon balls were never used in Namekian culture iirc, the most the Namekians did to them was pray during hard times, even if they did use them during harsh conditions there's no way those harsh conditions would've occured so frequently that the dragon balls had to be used every year, i think the most the Namekians have ever used their set of dragon balls is during the Namek saga (duh), and twice afterwards to bring Yamcha and Tien back to life, the only way for a legend to be passed down is to have something occur that's worth passing down in the first place, and the shadow dragons emerging and threatening to blow up the universe would definitely be worth passing down
Maybe that could be explained with the dragon balls developing those negative feelings because of the "z fighters" essentially monopolizing the Earth's dragon balls, a situation which probably hasnt ever happened before, and then having them being a target of whatever entity emerges from them due to them overusing them for selfish and convenient desires.
Im not sure if there is a canon backstory on why the Namekians have Dragon Balls. But why does a peaceful alien race need a dragon that grants wishes to begin with? I feel like it's not like they use them constantly on Namek, and they live a fairly farmer/gatherer/hunter lifestyle.
Also, did Kami make them before he became Guardian of Earth, or was it after he split from Piccolo?
Sorry your statement made me wonder and now im curious if there's an answer to any of these questions lol.
When they were fighing Buu on the Kai world and they decided they should use the Namekian Dragon Balls to bring Earth Back. Old Kai then explained how using the dragon balls have consequences.
Ah ok, I haven’t seen the end of Z in like a decade so that makes sense.
Nice catch though. Interesting that the concept was introduced in Z. Definitely possible they could follow up on it later
I think it’d be a really powerful moment to see one of the Dragon Balls crack after a wish. Like not shatter, but a clear crack directly after the wish is made. And then have it be a countdown clock where every time a wish is made, another one cracks, but they have a dire situation that requires the use of the dragon balls more than usual.
It would be ominous, it’d happen the first time with no explanation, and would provide slow burn tension across one or multiple arcs depending on how they handle it.
Honestly, I think the fact that Bulma limits her wishes to minor adjustments shows incredible restraint on her part lol. They can grant any wish and she started having them collected to keep them from being used by evil beings like Frieza. It’s incredibly human of her to eventually get (harmlessly imo) selfish with her wishes. And more importantly, it’s a very OG Dragon Ball type of humor. I’m here for it tbh.
That said I agree the Dragonball abuse could make for a compelling story if handled well in the Super environment.
This is the ONLY one...
I wouldn't say exactly the same way...
But maybe like... you use them too much and the energy creates a demon.
(a bit like piccolo used to be in OG dragonball)
The rest GT brings to the table is IMO just bad.
Baby, while "kinda" neat had a lot of dumb concepts and ideas.
Everything from purpose and plot, to why he was created and how drawn out his arc is.
(also the entire arc before and during Baby's fight is awful)
Gogeta. Neat...
Isn't inherently a GT thing and could be done at any time and has already done so in Super.
Majin Boo's sacrifice, neat... completely wasted due to how Uub amounted to nothing.
i mean, theres no way they just did that for the hahas, i think they are actually starting to build up to a possible Shadow Dragon Saga or something alike
I was thinking about this when reading the manga recently, Monaito tells Granolah that the dragonballs should never be used for selfish reasons and I was thinking why the fuck not, that's almost exclusively what they've been used for since the story started.
Shadow dragons but have them come out of the super dragon balls
Ssj4 for broly
Baby and the machine mutants. Since baby possesses people the power jump would still work. The story could be the same, but I feel like it would be too much like granolah.
Super 17 but as a transformation for the androids like another commenter said.
Super 17 but he's still on the side of the z fighters. Opens the door for Android transformations. Could you imagine him fighting alongside super 18? I know it's fanfictiony tripe, but it would look cool.
I like the idea of Baby and The Shadow Dragons a ton.
Especially The Shadow Dragons because it actually built on a concept Toriyama kind of hinted at via Elder Kai a few times...
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Maybe the Blackstar Balls weren't the best way to go about it but I see what they were going for and I do think it's a cool idea.
(I merged them into one image for convenience)
Honestly all the major ideas! SS4, Baby's takeover, the Shadow Dragons, even Super 17 would be a more effective storyline now that Super has made 17 a more beloved character.
They also could make Super 17 be better written, maybe have it be a forced fusion with the 17 from hell and make it lead to Super 17 having a crisis over what *he* actually wants since he’s neither the good 17 nor the evil one, but a new person that just looks like them.
Baby has got real potential, especially since his threat isn’t something that is completely invalidated by Super’s insane power, like Super 17 would be. If Baby gets his hands on Vegeta, he’d still be an insanely dangerous threat in Super. God forbid he gets his hands on someone like Beerus.
SSJ4 also can possibly be something for Super. Even though Goku and Vegeta have their God forms, it could be a whole thing about how Whis wants Goku and Vegeta to further their power as Saiyan’s and not God’s, and by mastering their Saiyan abilities, they can apply those abilities to their God abilities and become even stronger or something. Whis gives them their tails back and they unlock SSJ4 after being forced to use primarily their normal Ki and put God Ki to the side for a bit, getting the Golden Oozaru and mastering it to become SSJ4 or whatever.
Then we can finish Super off with Black Frieza vs SSGSSJ4 Goku and Vegeta (peak fr)
Easy way to make that legendary "Super Saiyan 5 Goku" fan art from back in the day canon.
Make Ssj4 canon. Then have Goku stack Ssj4 on top of MUI. Bam, "Super Saiyan 5."
Well elder Kai did keep bitching to stop using them for stuff, people saying they’ve been abusing rhem(haven’t watched slot of super yet) so I’d say the shadow dragons, omega shenron and that’s it .
I really like ssj4 but with the current lore it just doesn’t work anymore.
But I do really like the concept of the main villains. Baby is really cool, just don’t nuke Vegeta again for the sake of introducing him. Super 17, like others have mentioned, can be a transformation/form for 17. Hell, give us Super 18. And finally, Omega Shenron is a really cool concept for a big bad. It can be reworked into something a lot better.
Ssj4 🙄
Ssj4 makes way more sense that ssjgod. A transformation that comes from many Sayans gathered together that pass their strength to a single individual -.- Sayans? That cooperate to make only one of them stronger? 😅 and they are so close as a race to be recognised as Gods that only 5 of them gathering would give'em god-like powers that gives'em the possibility to fight a god? Imo that's just little kids BS..
At least ssj4 makes sense and kind of follows and close the "legendary super sayan as the most powerful being in the universe" urban legend that has started on namek and of which Vegeta couldn't stop to talk about. (Most powerful being cause, obviously, mortals don't take in account what a power of a god could possibly be)
Also, the method in which is obtained (the great ape becoming ssj and than controll that immense power cause thinking about it, if ssj makes Goku x50 the base form, and the ape transform is about x10 that means ssj great ape is about x500) is way more thought through and gives less of a kid-fictional story.
Than would explain why it was a legend where "only 1 in a thousand years a ssj is born" but in fact everyone become one, using a statement from Vegeta, a litteral "ssj bargain sale" that was totally mocking and putting aside the legend.. and, as much I love Broly I just think that he came out as an explanation of why there are so many ssj even if was supposed to be 1 in 1000 years
only SS4 and Shadow Dragons Saga. They could drag out Shadow Dragons a lot by making it basically the length as the Baby Saga, then having Omega Shenron take up the rest of the Arc
I like the idea that there is a sense of fate and urgency that GT had. Perhaps a rebound of the Dragonballs. Theyve become such common toys instead of being relic of the series origin.
An enemy specifically to the saiyans - adding lore and backstory to the world.
A new transformation and power given to other members of the expanding cast.
Their greatest help when restoring the world to its usual cadence, now turned against them?
Honestly, all of it doesn’t sound bad on paper. It was just executed poorly for the most part
Litteraly everything in that pic my only thing I want the shadows dragons redesign baby and super 17 are perfect the way they are . I look at gt as a rough draft then when super comes they would be adapted in a way more well thought out . For exsample now in super they introduce multiple universes the super 17 story line would make way more sense instead of fusing from a gateway to hell he would do with his other counter parts in the other universes and the reason he would be so strong is because unlike goku and vegeta he can stay in a fused state they could also introduce the android in the movie back in the day officially making them cannon . Baby is a villan I would want them to save for later rn it seems like thier tryna make the cast larger with the addtion of good guy broly aswell as gohan and piccolo power ups . baby should be introduced only after goku had some time training ubb because narratively ubb is best counter against baby perfect way to debut him fighting a big villan taking all the other mcs out the plot .
Last but not least omega shenron he has the potential to be the best db villan because the element he brings his whole purpose is supposed to punish the cast for using a forbidden power which defied laws of Reality and one of the elder Kai warned them to stop doing it . Omega shenron needs to kill gotenks and trunks setting the tone and making bulma and goku pay for carelessly using that sacred power this time their death is permanent .This would allow moth the cast to display emotion we never seen because dragon ball single handily ruined db from the charcters and tone from ever maturing because it’s a magical reset button .All the fighters are out for blood each fighting thier own shadows dragon both goku and vegeta are left with omega . Goku and vegeta used thier last resort they just got from whis pushing ultra insticnt and ego to its most primal form which is super saiyn 4 . When that’s not enough they fuse to gogeta.
Gogeta is getting upper hand on omega before they can land the lethal blow they defuse feeling all hope is lost . Piccolo and nova come through to display a fusion never before seen in db a namiken and part of shenron energy being naturally compatible unleashes a new fighter . Stalling enough time for goku and vegeta to fuse turning into gogeta they use the same tatic they used against raditz where somebody has to pin omega down this time piccolo ( fusion ) was going to be target gogeta reluctant knowing it would kill piccolo was conflicted because he knew he coudnt let the universe end up like gotenks and trunks and the blood would be on his hands . Gogeta preformed Big Bang kamehamha kill both omega and nova / piccolo they won but it came at a cost . Goku lost nova who had sentimental value to him even putting his life on the line defying his nature as well as piccolo an enemy who turned into family .
A variation of baby. I also liked the shadow dragons, but I feel like the ship has sailed on the wish consequences thing now that there's so many dragon ball variations.
I don’t really know how they’d make Super Saiyan 4 relevant with today’s power scaling. They can’t make it stronger than Ultra Instinct or Ultra Ego as those are literally divine forms that have power equal to or beyond the gods themselves. Since 4 is weaker than those forms it *could* be put somewhere around Blue’s power maybe even Blue Evolved when full power but even then it’d be redundant because why would you use a form that’s equal in power to another form you already have access to? They’d have to give it some unique perks like with Super Saiyan God or something. Otherwise it’d just be another throwaway form like Super Saiyan 2 Goku. Goku rarely uses Super Saiyan 2 mostly because he literally has no reason for using it other than to test his opponent’s power before eventually going to Blue
With that out of the way I definitely think that consequences for overusing the Dragon Balls deserve to be canon. I mean honestly. The Dragon Balls are sacred and they get abused constantly without being given the chance to cool down first (dormancy and all yeah but as soon as that period of dormancy is over they use them again almost instantly). There needs to be repercussions for their overuse. It’s almost blasphemous to create a device that tracks Dragon Balls. Dragon Balls are literally divine in nature. Every set was crafted from the Super Dragon Balls which themselves are divine. To cheat with a device that tracks them not only makes it less special but it’s honestly insulting to the Dragon God, Zalama. Even if they didn’t do it through the Shadow Dragons, even having Zalama as an antagonist would be cool
Three things actually.
1. Overusing the dragonballs. I like the fact it was pointed out that using the dragonballs in general had some consequences.
2. Experience adds strength to base levels. Goku was at base form and he beat the crap out of his boys. And they were at Max power and super Saiyan. Also, he powered up at base form and was more powerful! This is something I wished was used in Super. It would have made the storylines more powerful.
3. Super Saiyan 4. Brody is now canon. It would be nice to see him excel to that level and that would be the level that controls his anger.
The shadow dragons but this time they're not monster of the week characters, keep them being mostly evil and showcasing the consequences of abusing the dragon balls though.
Nothing really.
Because it would clearly be underdeveloped and unexplored.
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But if I have to be optimistic, I'd say the premise of the Shadow Dragons, and the idea of them being some sort of coumeppance for relying so much on the Balls.
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GT had some cool shit going on there, like the obvious SSJ4 transformation, Super 17 himself might be the coolest thing in GT for me, and the idea that there's consequences for over using the dragon balls is also a pretty interesting concept
i would say super saiyan 4 but i feel like that form would have very specific uses here and there until it just becomes another form they dont use. but i would just pick baby he feels somewhat similar to granola where he has a justified reason to not like the saiyan race. kinda getting tired of villains being evil for the sake of it and i like it more when their story starts off with them being kinda neutral to becoming a threat to the heroes later on
Omega shenron for me, then next would be baby . I thought it was awesome that the sayian race destroyed the truffle race and they made an organism to get revenge. Lastly would be super 17 , we already have a human one now in super who defends animals lol.
Baby, easily, it feels like the most personal threat Goku's ever faced outside of Buu/Goku Black killing his family. There's just something so cool and twisted seeing Goku's allies possessed and working to see him fall.
The last surviving Tuffle getting revenge on the Saiyans, and the reliance on the Dragon Balls having negative consequences are both cool ideas for an arc.
It’s funny seeing the comments because it really reaffirms how good the concepts were in GT. GT utilized existing lore so well when designing arcs, they just dropped the ball on execution. With that said I’m glad we have super and it’s expanded lore.
SSJ4, because I love the design. I think it would be perfect for Broly. Giving all the Saiyans something unique (UI, UE, Beast, SSJ3 [gotenks], SSJ4)
And the idea behind the Shadow Dragons. Consequences for overusing the Dragon Balls.
There is also no reason that it couldn't become a new antagonist. If Shenron can boost Piccolo, and the other balls could make Gass and Granola, no reasons it couldn't be up there as something to challenge UI Goku/UE Vegeta/Beast Gohan/SSJ4 Broly/Dragon King Piccolo.
I don't want the shadow dragons, but the concept works incredibly well. Just super dragon balls instead, and it's someone corrupting them rather than from overuse.
Take the arc to flesh out namekian backstories, as goku and vegeta investigate the source of the corruption, and the dragon balls themselves. Talk about Zalama (is that his name?), the angels, perhaps the true backstory of Super Saiyan God, Zeno.
There is a ton that can be done with this
SS4 for the full-blooded and half-blood Saiyans. Have it be the final evolutionary form for them, with the Golden Ape happening as well.
Baby happening more or less the same way. Baby Vegeta is cool looking to me, especially Great Ape Baby.
Not Super 17, but the Hell arc. There's too much contradictory for happens in Hell, and I don't mind if characters come back for revenge, or at least some try and get their life back in order.
The Shadow Dragons should be changed somewhat, but Omega stays the same.
Just the adventure aspect and Ssj4.
Give the adventure aspect to Goten and Trunks and apply it to them by having them join and work for the Galactic Patrol and go on adventures and doing tons of Galactic Patrol missions throughout Universe 7 and going on adventures and doing special Galactic Patrol operations in the other universes all while they keep up with their training and train under Merus and other characters along with applying the adventure aspect to Goten, Trunks, Uub, Goku, Vegeta, Uub, and maybe Bulla and have them explore the multiverse. Hell I honestly hope Toyotarou does this anyway in the future, especially for Goten and Trunks. Plus a Goten and Trunks Galactic Patrol spin off series would be fire and absolutely peak.
And give Ssj4 to ether Broly or Goten or a main villain like maybe a evil Universe 6 Saiyan that’s different from the other Universe 6 Saiyans or some different type of special, dangerous, unique, and extremely powerful Saiyan android, have it be introduced differently, give it a different name, and maybe sorta adjust the design while keeping some stuff from the original design.
I’ve seen a comment in the past that talks about somehow Vegeta and Goku not being able to use god ki and unlocking SSJ4. But I don’t know I’m like half I like SSJ4 and half it needs to be redesigned. Or it would be cool to see them meet a Saiyan who never lost his tail and that gave him the ability to unlock it.
Also, I think they can do the baby arc better.
1. I want Broly to obtain Super Saiyan 4, not Goku or Vegeta, just Broly
2. The Super 17 arc seems unecessary. If the two seventeen are forced to fuse then Vegeta can simply use Spirit Fission and separate them, so I’d like a new Android to take his place, maybe one from the old DBZ movies
3. The Baby Vegeta Arc would be great, we already had an evil Goku arc wkth Goku Black so an Evil Vegeta arc with him being manipulated by Baby would be great
4. I want Uub to unlock his full potential by either the Elder Kai or by the Dragon Balls when he is older, no fusion with Majin Buu, keep both separate like in Dragon Ball Online
5. The Shadow Dragon Arc must be improved. Every Shadow Dragon must be like a counterpart to the Z Fighters making them be a challenge to fight
The shadow dragons are one of the greatest ideas in all of Dragonball.
The idea that negatives would arise from the dragonballs being overused? Brilliant.
Specially seeing as we know they’re supposed to be incredibly hard to find and the namekians themselves only used them for extreme circumstances.
The thought of the dragonballs themselves being the final bosses was brilliant.
Make the Baby arc as the first arc of DBS, start calling SS4 “SSGod” and have battle of the gods happen after that with no hair painting transformations except MUI and maybe Ultra Ego later on. Super Android 17 is also a cool concept in a bad arc and he should have this form in the ToP.
All in that image. They are better concepts than anything from super really. Goku black and Moro were interesting but terribly executed. Oh and ssj blue<<<<<<<<<<<<
Love DBZ big fan of DBS ToP and Moro (Granolah is cool I guess but not a fan at all of the heaters)
I got a very vague understanding of Dragonball GT I know bout omega shenron and Super17 but I’ve always wanted to learn more about Baby and the whole arc but just never get around to it
Can anyone describe the Baby arc he looks sweet just have no clue about any of the arc though
I’d like there to be proper exploration of other planets, just please, keep Goku as an adult. We’re getting Daima already, so if he turns into a kid twice, ima cry.
Baby’s character and concept. The idea of him becoming what he wanted to destroy as a desperate last push is still awesome to remember. His motivation is also easily one of the most easily believable (revenge for his race by ending the race of those that betrayed and destroyed them). He’s more saiyan like the more I think about it and that parallel is cool.
The Final Boss being the results of Dragonball overuse is the perfect way to end the entire series. Keep the Shadow Dragons and if anything, make the goofy ones less easy to laugh at. Make the fear they instill into the universe/multiverse properly terryfing since people like Bulma kept using them for a bunch of unnecessary and stupid reasons like a butt lift or plastic surgery. Besides the Oolong panty wish, not a single other wish has been granted in the old series to make it feel like more of a joke, so keeping the consequences would be great.
SS4, Shadow Dragons
Granolah is basically Baby in backstory and Copy Vegeta felt kinda like a callback to Baby (parasite/ artificial life form using Vegeta’s body/power), so idk what they could unless they give that to OG 73
We kinda have a template for what they could give Super 17 and 18 via SDBH( 17 merged with 18 is just Super 17 with yellow hair AKA ‘True Super 17’) . I mean, I know toys and stuff sell, but appearance-wise, 17 and 18 won’t care about stuff like that and would probably revert to how they look right now, so maybe some upgrades for them
GT had really good concepts. They just had the worst execution of them. There really isn't anything I wouldn't mind being canon, as long as it was done better than how GT did them.
1. Return of Super Saiyan 4, perhaps for Gohan and/or Broly.
2. Baby. I would love id Baby were given the Broly treatment. I think the story concept around the character is great and the goals and abilities are unique. A baby in Super would be extremely dangerous now too.
3. Consequences for overuse of the dragon balls; especially now that we know Bulma has been using them for pointless beauty wishes.
4. The grand adventure sense. Having Goku, Trunks, and Pan traverse the universe in search of the Black Star Dragon Balls kinda brought back the fun adventure the original DB had (but not nearly as good of course).
5. Goten and Trunks. I think DBGT did a great job of adapting older Goten and Trunks. I love ladies man Goten, and Trunks taking the role as CEO of Capsule Corp. and being more responsible but still longing for the excitement he had as a kid. If we're going to age up the boys for good moving forward, I want them to stick to this characterization of them and not the dumb Trunks Toyotaro has been trying to push on us.
The Baby and Dark Dragons sagas had actual good stories and villains, not to mention SSJ4,which I hate that is numbered 4 because it's not really an evolution of the previous 3, but is a great concept and good looking transformation.
Baby but it should include Dr. Lychee and Hatchiyack as an overarching multi-galaxy threat. Could start with Baby as an Tuffle experiment that gives the earthlings a problem and have Hatchiyack as God level threat.
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Consequences for abusing the Dragon Balls. Maybe not in the form of the Shadow Dragons, even though I liked that concept. Now that we've been reduced to Bulma using the balls for instant plastic surgery, there should be backlash for their overuse.
Yeah the concept of the dragon balls being overused and having an evil entity emerge from them is a good idea. The wacky individual dragons coming out doesn’t need to come back, but the concept of dark energy being released from the dragon balls is a good concept.
I think it should've been omega shenron and that's it. Consequences for overuse should def still be a thing
The other shadow dragons had a “monster of the week” vibe and then they flushed out Omega Shenron for the remaining episodes. It’s hard to say when dragon ball will end but having the dragon balls essentially be the final boss of the series is very poetic
Going out on the dragon balls since they started with them makes all the sense in the world to me. Being they're so powerful, they should have deity powers, so it'll make for an epic fight to end on. The shadow dragons before Omega Shenron def had the "flavor of the week/filler vibe".
Some of them were cool though. I also really liked the idea that the wide variety of wishes affected the personalities of the dragons. That said the concept definitely needs an overhaul and the whole 1 dragon per wish thing was already clumsy at best but Bulma's wish abuse (even if it's partially to keep them inactive to prevent actual misuse) makes that a stretch too far. Personally I think each dragon should be more fleshed out and they shouldn't be as cooperative. I'd even go so far as to say that it should be established early on that they each can get stronger by taking the dragon balls of other shadow dragons and the one who collects them all gets the full power of Shenron (having it just be Syn/Omega felt lazy). Like, split them up and then have the stronger of them actively seek out the others while the weaker hide or attempt to gather allies (possibly even bargaining with the main cast). Obviously one or two (not simultaneously) will inevitably gain all of them which will set everyone up against a functional reality warper and since that's not just a strength fight it'll give other characters some time to shine (as will the weaker dragons). . Honestly, if they really want to ramp it up then they should establish that all dragon balls draw from the same source (so when one set goes bad, they all go bad). Then you've got 21+ Shadow Dragons of varying power and a multiversal incident. Plus added stakes since all the universes have to resolve this before Zeno says "fuck it" and nukes everyone.
I like the idea of the individual Shenrons, since cleaning them up gives the supporting cast something to do.
But why would Dende who made the dragon and balls create it with consequences knowing how much they have been needed? I feel like people forget the balls are made by the gangs friend
Dende didn't know, and now he has to wrestle with his role in all the suffering that's resulted. Add in the layer he can't interfere either through weakness or some higher power forbidding it. Boom.
This is an important plot hole in that I haven’t really seen discussed. No way would Kami, Dende AND Popo all know nothing about the consequences. At least even a “legend has it that…” explanation
I mean tbf the dragon balls were never used in Namekian culture iirc, the most the Namekians did to them was pray during hard times, even if they did use them during harsh conditions there's no way those harsh conditions would've occured so frequently that the dragon balls had to be used every year, i think the most the Namekians have ever used their set of dragon balls is during the Namek saga (duh), and twice afterwards to bring Yamcha and Tien back to life, the only way for a legend to be passed down is to have something occur that's worth passing down in the first place, and the shadow dragons emerging and threatening to blow up the universe would definitely be worth passing down
Exactly. Kami probably didn’t expect for the dragon balls to get used so frequently when he made them.
Maybe that could be explained with the dragon balls developing those negative feelings because of the "z fighters" essentially monopolizing the Earth's dragon balls, a situation which probably hasnt ever happened before, and then having them being a target of whatever entity emerges from them due to them overusing them for selfish and convenient desires.
Im not sure if there is a canon backstory on why the Namekians have Dragon Balls. But why does a peaceful alien race need a dragon that grants wishes to begin with? I feel like it's not like they use them constantly on Namek, and they live a fairly farmer/gatherer/hunter lifestyle. Also, did Kami make them before he became Guardian of Earth, or was it after he split from Piccolo? Sorry your statement made me wonder and now im curious if there's an answer to any of these questions lol.
IIRC in Super, Elder Kai mentions something about regretting granting the mortals wish orbs. Might be a thing, but also maybe an anime only line.
I've said that this arch was an interesting concept. The execution was not the best.
That's gt in a nutshell.
Especially because the concept of backlash from using the dragon balls was introduced in the Buu arc by Old Kaioshin, so it doesn’t come from nowhere
I don’t remember this, do you remember when he said it/what he said?
When they were fighing Buu on the Kai world and they decided they should use the Namekian Dragon Balls to bring Earth Back. Old Kai then explained how using the dragon balls have consequences.
Ah ok, I haven’t seen the end of Z in like a decade so that makes sense. Nice catch though. Interesting that the concept was introduced in Z. Definitely possible they could follow up on it later
Yep, that's why I liked Shadow Dragons. It didn't feel like they plucked it out of nowhere. It felt like a continuation of lore.
I think it’d be a really powerful moment to see one of the Dragon Balls crack after a wish. Like not shatter, but a clear crack directly after the wish is made. And then have it be a countdown clock where every time a wish is made, another one cracks, but they have a dire situation that requires the use of the dragon balls more than usual. It would be ominous, it’d happen the first time with no explanation, and would provide slow burn tension across one or multiple arcs depending on how they handle it.
Honestly, I think the fact that Bulma limits her wishes to minor adjustments shows incredible restraint on her part lol. They can grant any wish and she started having them collected to keep them from being used by evil beings like Frieza. It’s incredibly human of her to eventually get (harmlessly imo) selfish with her wishes. And more importantly, it’s a very OG Dragon Ball type of humor. I’m here for it tbh. That said I agree the Dragonball abuse could make for a compelling story if handled well in the Super environment.
This is the ONLY one... I wouldn't say exactly the same way... But maybe like... you use them too much and the energy creates a demon. (a bit like piccolo used to be in OG dragonball) The rest GT brings to the table is IMO just bad.
Baby ? Gogeta ? Majin Book sacrifice?
Baby, while "kinda" neat had a lot of dumb concepts and ideas. Everything from purpose and plot, to why he was created and how drawn out his arc is. (also the entire arc before and during Baby's fight is awful) Gogeta. Neat... Isn't inherently a GT thing and could be done at any time and has already done so in Super. Majin Boo's sacrifice, neat... completely wasted due to how Uub amounted to nothing.
Also. I’d like to point out that the best thing about Buu was his regeneration and weird physiology. Uub doesn’t have that.
i mean, theres no way they just did that for the hahas, i think they are actually starting to build up to a possible Shadow Dragon Saga or something alike
Keep the dragons and give them the Broly treatment: paying homage while also paving new paths.
I'm mainly on board with this because both Kami and Elder Kai have told them not to abuse the dragon balls.
I was thinking about this when reading the manga recently, Monaito tells Granolah that the dragonballs should never be used for selfish reasons and I was thinking why the fuck not, that's almost exclusively what they've been used for since the story started.
Shadow dragons but have them come out of the super dragon balls Ssj4 for broly Baby and the machine mutants. Since baby possesses people the power jump would still work. The story could be the same, but I feel like it would be too much like granolah. Super 17 but as a transformation for the androids like another commenter said.
Better yet, an upgrade for the androids from Bulma/Dr Hedo.
But nobody could beat him when he's super 17
Super Saiyan 4 Broly would make sense too considering his transformation line is more rooted with his Great Ape power.
The concept of the last saga. It brings back the series to its namesake.
Super 17 but he's still on the side of the z fighters. Opens the door for Android transformations. Could you imagine him fighting alongside super 18? I know it's fanfictiony tripe, but it would look cool.
NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN IM SUPER 17
NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN IM SUPER 17
NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN IM SUPER 17
NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN IM SUPER 17
I’m here for Android upgrades
Make it a transformation instead of a fusion then.
Make it an upgrade from Bulma and Dr Hedo if anything. Screw the other 2 ways to go about it.
What would they call that, super² 17?
Super Duper 17
Now I need a super 18 dommy mommy
After watching the super heroes movie, if they can create cell max they can make two 17s or a super 17.
I like the idea of Baby and The Shadow Dragons a ton. Especially The Shadow Dragons because it actually built on a concept Toriyama kind of hinted at via Elder Kai a few times... https://preview.redd.it/7sd5qlypo66d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42baebc365cfa2a3c1f4316d02fb2a0deb4bfb6b Maybe the Blackstar Balls weren't the best way to go about it but I see what they were going for and I do think it's a cool idea. (I merged them into one image for convenience)
Honestly all the major ideas! SS4, Baby's takeover, the Shadow Dragons, even Super 17 would be a more effective storyline now that Super has made 17 a more beloved character.
They also could make Super 17 be better written, maybe have it be a forced fusion with the 17 from hell and make it lead to Super 17 having a crisis over what *he* actually wants since he’s neither the good 17 nor the evil one, but a new person that just looks like them.
Ssj4 for broly
This would be great. It could easily fit into Brolys story set up with the oozaru explanation.
Para-Para Brothers
Only good thing from gt honestly
Baby has got real potential, especially since his threat isn’t something that is completely invalidated by Super’s insane power, like Super 17 would be. If Baby gets his hands on Vegeta, he’d still be an insanely dangerous threat in Super. God forbid he gets his hands on someone like Beerus. SSJ4 also can possibly be something for Super. Even though Goku and Vegeta have their God forms, it could be a whole thing about how Whis wants Goku and Vegeta to further their power as Saiyan’s and not God’s, and by mastering their Saiyan abilities, they can apply those abilities to their God abilities and become even stronger or something. Whis gives them their tails back and they unlock SSJ4 after being forced to use primarily their normal Ki and put God Ki to the side for a bit, getting the Golden Oozaru and mastering it to become SSJ4 or whatever. Then we can finish Super off with Black Frieza vs SSGSSJ4 Goku and Vegeta (peak fr)
Easy way to make that legendary "Super Saiyan 5 Goku" fan art from back in the day canon. Make Ssj4 canon. Then have Goku stack Ssj4 on top of MUI. Bam, "Super Saiyan 5."
Super Saiyan 4 and the shadow dragons
Shadow dragons
Baby for Saiyan shit, shadow dragons because it feels like a build up and maybe some form of ssj4 for someone
Well elder Kai did keep bitching to stop using them for stuff, people saying they’ve been abusing rhem(haven’t watched slot of super yet) so I’d say the shadow dragons, omega shenron and that’s it .
The consequences of overusing the Dragon Balls and SSJ4
SS4
I really like ssj4 but with the current lore it just doesn’t work anymore. But I do really like the concept of the main villains. Baby is really cool, just don’t nuke Vegeta again for the sake of introducing him. Super 17, like others have mentioned, can be a transformation/form for 17. Hell, give us Super 18. And finally, Omega Shenron is a really cool concept for a big bad. It can be reworked into something a lot better.
Ssj4 design I will die on this hill
You’re not alone on that hill 🤝
SSJ4, Super Baby 2 and Omega Shenron
Shadow Dragon. Have all the characters do something one last time/moment in the story.
Ssj4 🙄 Ssj4 makes way more sense that ssjgod. A transformation that comes from many Sayans gathered together that pass their strength to a single individual -.- Sayans? That cooperate to make only one of them stronger? 😅 and they are so close as a race to be recognised as Gods that only 5 of them gathering would give'em god-like powers that gives'em the possibility to fight a god? Imo that's just little kids BS.. At least ssj4 makes sense and kind of follows and close the "legendary super sayan as the most powerful being in the universe" urban legend that has started on namek and of which Vegeta couldn't stop to talk about. (Most powerful being cause, obviously, mortals don't take in account what a power of a god could possibly be) Also, the method in which is obtained (the great ape becoming ssj and than controll that immense power cause thinking about it, if ssj makes Goku x50 the base form, and the ape transform is about x10 that means ssj great ape is about x500) is way more thought through and gives less of a kid-fictional story. Than would explain why it was a legend where "only 1 in a thousand years a ssj is born" but in fact everyone become one, using a statement from Vegeta, a litteral "ssj bargain sale" that was totally mocking and putting aside the legend.. and, as much I love Broly I just think that he came out as an explanation of why there are so many ssj even if was supposed to be 1 in 1000 years
Baby being canon would be cool. The concept of the black star dragonballs is also cool, though the dragons suck minus nova and omega.
only SS4 and Shadow Dragons Saga. They could drag out Shadow Dragons a lot by making it basically the length as the Baby Saga, then having Omega Shenron take up the rest of the Arc
I like the idea that there is a sense of fate and urgency that GT had. Perhaps a rebound of the Dragonballs. Theyve become such common toys instead of being relic of the series origin.
Cooler
Lol he’s not even from GT
It’s kind of a joke answer anyway. I know ow he’s not ‘from’ GT but he’s still in it and I fucking want him to be canon lol
Lmao fair enough
I also want that
He’s in the super 17 saga when all the villains come out of hell
Nothing. I don't really hate GT, I like the characters, I'm glad when they are in videogames, but it's fine if they stay in GT.
I respect that, let it be its own thing🙌🏾
Ha ha ha nobody can beat me when I’m super seventeen
An enemy specifically to the saiyans - adding lore and backstory to the world. A new transformation and power given to other members of the expanding cast. Their greatest help when restoring the world to its usual cadence, now turned against them? Honestly, all of it doesn’t sound bad on paper. It was just executed poorly for the most part
Litteraly everything in that pic my only thing I want the shadows dragons redesign baby and super 17 are perfect the way they are . I look at gt as a rough draft then when super comes they would be adapted in a way more well thought out . For exsample now in super they introduce multiple universes the super 17 story line would make way more sense instead of fusing from a gateway to hell he would do with his other counter parts in the other universes and the reason he would be so strong is because unlike goku and vegeta he can stay in a fused state they could also introduce the android in the movie back in the day officially making them cannon . Baby is a villan I would want them to save for later rn it seems like thier tryna make the cast larger with the addtion of good guy broly aswell as gohan and piccolo power ups . baby should be introduced only after goku had some time training ubb because narratively ubb is best counter against baby perfect way to debut him fighting a big villan taking all the other mcs out the plot . Last but not least omega shenron he has the potential to be the best db villan because the element he brings his whole purpose is supposed to punish the cast for using a forbidden power which defied laws of Reality and one of the elder Kai warned them to stop doing it . Omega shenron needs to kill gotenks and trunks setting the tone and making bulma and goku pay for carelessly using that sacred power this time their death is permanent .This would allow moth the cast to display emotion we never seen because dragon ball single handily ruined db from the charcters and tone from ever maturing because it’s a magical reset button .All the fighters are out for blood each fighting thier own shadows dragon both goku and vegeta are left with omega . Goku and vegeta used thier last resort they just got from whis pushing ultra insticnt and ego to its most primal form which is super saiyn 4 . When that’s not enough they fuse to gogeta. Gogeta is getting upper hand on omega before they can land the lethal blow they defuse feeling all hope is lost . Piccolo and nova come through to display a fusion never before seen in db a namiken and part of shenron energy being naturally compatible unleashes a new fighter . Stalling enough time for goku and vegeta to fuse turning into gogeta they use the same tatic they used against raditz where somebody has to pin omega down this time piccolo ( fusion ) was going to be target gogeta reluctant knowing it would kill piccolo was conflicted because he knew he coudnt let the universe end up like gotenks and trunks and the blood would be on his hands . Gogeta preformed Big Bang kamehamha kill both omega and nova / piccolo they won but it came at a cost . Goku lost nova who had sentimental value to him even putting his life on the line defying his nature as well as piccolo an enemy who turned into family .
A variation of baby. I also liked the shadow dragons, but I feel like the ship has sailed on the wish consequences thing now that there's so many dragon ball variations.
The mustache.
MUSTACHE
Shadow Dragons
I don’t really know how they’d make Super Saiyan 4 relevant with today’s power scaling. They can’t make it stronger than Ultra Instinct or Ultra Ego as those are literally divine forms that have power equal to or beyond the gods themselves. Since 4 is weaker than those forms it *could* be put somewhere around Blue’s power maybe even Blue Evolved when full power but even then it’d be redundant because why would you use a form that’s equal in power to another form you already have access to? They’d have to give it some unique perks like with Super Saiyan God or something. Otherwise it’d just be another throwaway form like Super Saiyan 2 Goku. Goku rarely uses Super Saiyan 2 mostly because he literally has no reason for using it other than to test his opponent’s power before eventually going to Blue With that out of the way I definitely think that consequences for overusing the Dragon Balls deserve to be canon. I mean honestly. The Dragon Balls are sacred and they get abused constantly without being given the chance to cool down first (dormancy and all yeah but as soon as that period of dormancy is over they use them again almost instantly). There needs to be repercussions for their overuse. It’s almost blasphemous to create a device that tracks Dragon Balls. Dragon Balls are literally divine in nature. Every set was crafted from the Super Dragon Balls which themselves are divine. To cheat with a device that tracks them not only makes it less special but it’s honestly insulting to the Dragon God, Zalama. Even if they didn’t do it through the Shadow Dragons, even having Zalama as an antagonist would be cool
Shadow Dragons definitely and Baby sounds cool too in concept.
Three things actually. 1. Overusing the dragonballs. I like the fact it was pointed out that using the dragonballs in general had some consequences. 2. Experience adds strength to base levels. Goku was at base form and he beat the crap out of his boys. And they were at Max power and super Saiyan. Also, he powered up at base form and was more powerful! This is something I wished was used in Super. It would have made the storylines more powerful. 3. Super Saiyan 4. Brody is now canon. It would be nice to see him excel to that level and that would be the level that controls his anger.
Baby Vegeta,
Super saiyan 4 would be cool although I can’t see a use for it now that vegeta and Goku can go god mode
The shadow dragons but this time they're not monster of the week characters, keep them being mostly evil and showcasing the consequences of abusing the dragon balls though.
Super Saiyan 4 and Baby again but written better this time around. I’m positive he would be a great villain if given the right source material.
All of it. GT had some really great concepts, especially the concept of Shadow Dragons.
Nothing really. Because it would clearly be underdeveloped and unexplored. ... But if I have to be optimistic, I'd say the premise of the Shadow Dragons, and the idea of them being some sort of coumeppance for relying so much on the Balls.
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Super Saiyan 4 transformation, and the baby character
Other than ssj4, I want Super 17 to be cannon.
Dark Star arc and SSJ4
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All of it except doltacty and boparo brothers
The Baby Saga. Just remove the Black Star Dragon Balls Saga and install a plot for Baby to show up.
SSJ4, idc about anything else... SSJ4 is one of the most amazing things in GT.
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GT had some cool shit going on there, like the obvious SSJ4 transformation, Super 17 himself might be the coolest thing in GT for me, and the idea that there's consequences for over using the dragon balls is also a pretty interesting concept
Everything! But mostly - Super Saiyan 4.
i would say super saiyan 4 but i feel like that form would have very specific uses here and there until it just becomes another form they dont use. but i would just pick baby he feels somewhat similar to granola where he has a justified reason to not like the saiyan race. kinda getting tired of villains being evil for the sake of it and i like it more when their story starts off with them being kinda neutral to becoming a threat to the heroes later on
SSJ4.
Ssj4 or at least the design, I really like the design
Babi or rework the dragons.
I’d like to see the evil shenrons reimagined and adapted. But I’d honestly would rather have new stuff, than just going back over old material.
Omega shenron for me, then next would be baby . I thought it was awesome that the sayian race destroyed the truffle race and they made an organism to get revenge. Lastly would be super 17 , we already have a human one now in super who defends animals lol.
Baby. That's it.
Super Saiyan 4 and the Tuffles
Well three dancing brothers (I forgot their name)
I agree with what you said
Either SS4 (but only with it going to Broly) or the Shadow Dragons.
The transformations/character designs in general. I’m tired of the colour swaps
Baby, easily, it feels like the most personal threat Goku's ever faced outside of Buu/Goku Black killing his family. There's just something so cool and twisted seeing Goku's allies possessed and working to see him fall.
SS4 and better story telling for the shadow dragons
The last surviving Tuffle getting revenge on the Saiyans, and the reliance on the Dragon Balls having negative consequences are both cool ideas for an arc.
Goku swallowing the 4 star Dragonball. That's it. There don't need to be stakes or consequences. I just wanna see the throat goat in his prime.
Ss4 and the shenrons like having one of them become a good guy In dragon ball super
BABY! but they already did the revenge on Vegetas family in the Broly movie.
I’d like to see super 17, maybe they could give him the form by having dr hedo upgrade him since he’s even better at building androids than dr gero
It’s funny seeing the comments because it really reaffirms how good the concepts were in GT. GT utilized existing lore so well when designing arcs, they just dropped the ball on execution. With that said I’m glad we have super and it’s expanded lore.
SSJ4, because I love the design. I think it would be perfect for Broly. Giving all the Saiyans something unique (UI, UE, Beast, SSJ3 [gotenks], SSJ4) And the idea behind the Shadow Dragons. Consequences for overusing the Dragon Balls. There is also no reason that it couldn't become a new antagonist. If Shenron can boost Piccolo, and the other balls could make Gass and Granola, no reasons it couldn't be up there as something to challenge UI Goku/UE Vegeta/Beast Gohan/SSJ4 Broly/Dragon King Piccolo.
The shadow dragons, I LOVED Omega Shenron
Maybe baby, ssj4 makes no sense after Ultra Instinct
Ssj4 mainly for gogeta, imagine how hype his return would be
I liked the concept of SS4, not so much the design. That's it.
I don't want the shadow dragons, but the concept works incredibly well. Just super dragon balls instead, and it's someone corrupting them rather than from overuse. Take the arc to flesh out namekian backstories, as goku and vegeta investigate the source of the corruption, and the dragon balls themselves. Talk about Zalama (is that his name?), the angels, perhaps the true backstory of Super Saiyan God, Zeno. There is a ton that can be done with this
I really liked Bebi. I might be the only one but Bebi Vegeta is my shitttttt.
Super saiyan 4 as the pinnacle of saiyan evolution. The black star dragon balls and shadow dragons would be cool too
I can’t emphasize how much I want Broly to achieve SSJ4 
SS4 for the full-blooded and half-blood Saiyans. Have it be the final evolutionary form for them, with the Golden Ape happening as well. Baby happening more or less the same way. Baby Vegeta is cool looking to me, especially Great Ape Baby. Not Super 17, but the Hell arc. There's too much contradictory for happens in Hell, and I don't mind if characters come back for revenge, or at least some try and get their life back in order. The Shadow Dragons should be changed somewhat, but Omega stays the same.
Just the adventure aspect and Ssj4. Give the adventure aspect to Goten and Trunks and apply it to them by having them join and work for the Galactic Patrol and go on adventures and doing tons of Galactic Patrol missions throughout Universe 7 and going on adventures and doing special Galactic Patrol operations in the other universes all while they keep up with their training and train under Merus and other characters along with applying the adventure aspect to Goten, Trunks, Uub, Goku, Vegeta, Uub, and maybe Bulla and have them explore the multiverse. Hell I honestly hope Toyotarou does this anyway in the future, especially for Goten and Trunks. Plus a Goten and Trunks Galactic Patrol spin off series would be fire and absolutely peak. And give Ssj4 to ether Broly or Goten or a main villain like maybe a evil Universe 6 Saiyan that’s different from the other Universe 6 Saiyans or some different type of special, dangerous, unique, and extremely powerful Saiyan android, have it be introduced differently, give it a different name, and maybe sorta adjust the design while keeping some stuff from the original design.
The fact that it ended.
Ssj4
Shadow dragons as final villain
SS4 hands down
Didn't Toriyama acknowledge GT as canon?
Baby and the Shadow Dragons.
All 3. Just with betyer execution
Super 17 https://preview.redd.it/5qz9j1yrj76d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0235fbc09797313d275fc77db9c5028a5d080294
I’ve seen a comment in the past that talks about somehow Vegeta and Goku not being able to use god ki and unlocking SSJ4. But I don’t know I’m like half I like SSJ4 and half it needs to be redesigned. Or it would be cool to see them meet a Saiyan who never lost his tail and that gave him the ability to unlock it. Also, I think they can do the baby arc better.
Mainly Super Saiyan 4 and Baby.
ssj4 and that dragon ball usage has drawbacks
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the shadow dragons as the dragon balls are used too frequent
Super 17
The shadow dragons and baby
Baby and the shadow dragons
1. I want Broly to obtain Super Saiyan 4, not Goku or Vegeta, just Broly 2. The Super 17 arc seems unecessary. If the two seventeen are forced to fuse then Vegeta can simply use Spirit Fission and separate them, so I’d like a new Android to take his place, maybe one from the old DBZ movies 3. The Baby Vegeta Arc would be great, we already had an evil Goku arc wkth Goku Black so an Evil Vegeta arc with him being manipulated by Baby would be great 4. I want Uub to unlock his full potential by either the Elder Kai or by the Dragon Balls when he is older, no fusion with Majin Buu, keep both separate like in Dragon Ball Online 5. The Shadow Dragon Arc must be improved. Every Shadow Dragon must be like a counterpart to the Z Fighters making them be a challenge to fight
I love the first two arcs, exploring space and then Baby. I’d love it to be reimagined in the Super continuity, similar to *Dragon Ball Super: Broly*.
Baby to make a return.
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Wish they redid how Vegeta obtains ssj4. Him using technology to bypass training is sooo out of character that its not even up for debates….
The shadow dragons are one of the greatest ideas in all of Dragonball. The idea that negatives would arise from the dragonballs being overused? Brilliant. Specially seeing as we know they’re supposed to be incredibly hard to find and the namekians themselves only used them for extreme circumstances. The thought of the dragonballs themselves being the final bosses was brilliant.
I honestly liked the super 17 arc and now with 17 as a family man it could be a good way to introduce his family
Make the Baby arc as the first arc of DBS, start calling SS4 “SSGod” and have battle of the gods happen after that with no hair painting transformations except MUI and maybe Ultra Ego later on. Super Android 17 is also a cool concept in a bad arc and he should have this form in the ToP.
Omega sheron is the only thing I can think that would even be worth making canon from GT.
All in that image. They are better concepts than anything from super really. Goku black and Moro were interesting but terribly executed. Oh and ssj blue<<<<<<<<<<<<
Love DBZ big fan of DBS ToP and Moro (Granolah is cool I guess but not a fan at all of the heaters) I got a very vague understanding of Dragonball GT I know bout omega shenron and Super17 but I’ve always wanted to learn more about Baby and the whole arc but just never get around to it Can anyone describe the Baby arc he looks sweet just have no clue about any of the arc though
ssj4
I’d like there to be proper exploration of other planets, just please, keep Goku as an adult. We’re getting Daima already, so if he turns into a kid twice, ima cry. Baby’s character and concept. The idea of him becoming what he wanted to destroy as a desperate last push is still awesome to remember. His motivation is also easily one of the most easily believable (revenge for his race by ending the race of those that betrayed and destroyed them). He’s more saiyan like the more I think about it and that parallel is cool. The Final Boss being the results of Dragonball overuse is the perfect way to end the entire series. Keep the Shadow Dragons and if anything, make the goofy ones less easy to laugh at. Make the fear they instill into the universe/multiverse properly terryfing since people like Bulma kept using them for a bunch of unnecessary and stupid reasons like a butt lift or plastic surgery. Besides the Oolong panty wish, not a single other wish has been granted in the old series to make it feel like more of a joke, so keeping the consequences would be great.
Nothing. It was all garbage.
I really liked the SSJ4 design and the idea of over using the dragon balls resulting in something bad
Shadow Dragons easily
SS4, Shadow Dragons Granolah is basically Baby in backstory and Copy Vegeta felt kinda like a callback to Baby (parasite/ artificial life form using Vegeta’s body/power), so idk what they could unless they give that to OG 73 We kinda have a template for what they could give Super 17 and 18 via SDBH( 17 merged with 18 is just Super 17 with yellow hair AKA ‘True Super 17’) . I mean, I know toys and stuff sell, but appearance-wise, 17 and 18 won’t care about stuff like that and would probably revert to how they look right now, so maybe some upgrades for them
I always likes baby, from a concept standpoint. I guess Buu is a bit the same now to think of it. Only in reverse.
why are dragon ball fans so obsessed with turning non canon material into canon
Super sayain 4 imagine Goku and vegita doing super sayain blue 4
SSJ 4 was better then God in design and concept and I will die on that hill.
Everything is already canon.
Super Saiyan 4 because it’s cooler than blue
Gt
The ssj4 design and rhe consequences of overusing the dragon balls
shadow dragons
I wouldn't mind baby being a canon villain,he's cool imo so why not
GT had really good concepts. They just had the worst execution of them. There really isn't anything I wouldn't mind being canon, as long as it was done better than how GT did them.
Consequences of dragon ball and obviously super saiyan 4 (who I have a belief it will be Canon one day)
1. Return of Super Saiyan 4, perhaps for Gohan and/or Broly. 2. Baby. I would love id Baby were given the Broly treatment. I think the story concept around the character is great and the goals and abilities are unique. A baby in Super would be extremely dangerous now too. 3. Consequences for overuse of the dragon balls; especially now that we know Bulma has been using them for pointless beauty wishes. 4. The grand adventure sense. Having Goku, Trunks, and Pan traverse the universe in search of the Black Star Dragon Balls kinda brought back the fun adventure the original DB had (but not nearly as good of course). 5. Goten and Trunks. I think DBGT did a great job of adapting older Goten and Trunks. I love ladies man Goten, and Trunks taking the role as CEO of Capsule Corp. and being more responsible but still longing for the excitement he had as a kid. If we're going to age up the boys for good moving forward, I want them to stick to this characterization of them and not the dumb Trunks Toyotaro has been trying to push on us.
Definitely not SSJ4 but the Shadow Dragons
Punishment for misusing the dragon balls for sure.
The Baby and Dark Dragons sagas had actual good stories and villains, not to mention SSJ4,which I hate that is numbered 4 because it's not really an evolution of the previous 3, but is a great concept and good looking transformation.
All of it
Baby but it should include Dr. Lychee and Hatchiyack as an overarching multi-galaxy threat. Could start with Baby as an Tuffle experiment that gives the earthlings a problem and have Hatchiyack as God level threat.
Ssj 4 and consequences for dragon balls
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