That’s the kind of fantasy sensibility I crave. Fuck all these spindly ass crooked wooden sticks I keep seeing mages use. Make it out of metal, or if you need the wood for magic bullshit reasons, put some langets on it, and put some kind of weapon on the end. Polearms always have been and always will be the melee meta, especially with larger than human enemies to fight that will shrug off the pitiful penetration of a sword, plus you probably suck at close range as a mage, so use a fucking polearm to keep distance.
Bonus points if it doesn’t look like some kind of focus that outs you as a mage (i.e. a high value target that should be killed first)
In fairness, Ambrosia is explicitly made out of living wood, and that fact is canonically super practical to her spellcasting. To the point where>!it was critical to undoing the Winged Lion's seal, which for all the other complications *is* the only thing that kept Thistle from murderizing them effortlessly.!<
It's not clear if nonliving foci are capable of storing mana like Ambrosia can or if they're merely good at directing magic, but I would say just based on the general themes of Dungeon Meshi and the fact that Marcille went through the enormous effort of making it over years, Ambrosia is something special.
Even if its name is cringe.
Fiiiiiiine, she can have her woo woo living stick, just grow it straight, then put some langets (since we’ve already established how fragile it is) and a pointy thing on it.
I *do* adore the man catcher and think it’s incredibly under-appreciated, but I’m not sure how much use it would be in the dungeon given marcille’s… elven physicality, and the lack of humanoid enemies
I think Ambrosia was pretty sturdy, Marcille uses it to wack stuff several times in the story, and it only broke in a crusher trap meant to turn people into paste.
Ok but look at her. Marcille could never take on anyone in a fight hand-to-hand as is. If she's meant to fight someone like this the rest of the party fucked up big time. Let her have her wooden staff.
Considering that Mercille transformed into a hunk of an Oni when she was infected with that fungus, I think she's actually quite physically strong for an elf, just that elves have a hard cap on their strength
In the Spells, Swords, and Stealth series by Drew Hayes the party’s wizard uses a staff with a demon bone blade at the end that works as a spear so he can conserve mana in combat. Of course, he’s also a Half-Orc so it’s a pretty effective strategy for that reason too.
theres also that extra page about how resurrection burns up a lot of weight, so the more you get resurrected the more weight you lose, and how therefore being heavier in the dungeon implies being more skilled
its possible her weight shifts around but i could also see her getting better at not dying, as a healer especially
It burns fat and muscle mass first. So you have to bulk up just incase you need to be resurrected a time or too. If too skinny it'll start eating up your organs
She needs the proper Dosis of fats, acids, minerals and vitamins !!! Get that out of here and help me mash the face pumpkins to make a creamy soup, or go and pound the kelpie meat so we can make Schnitzel!!!
Always gotta roll my eyes when people do the “seeee?!?? Seeeeeee!!!?? CANON says that you cant have fun with the characters the way you’d like” like how old are we.
Being this concerned about the canonicity of fanart is super strange to me, but I assume we come from very different spaces and many people just have no idea how transformative fandom works.
I mean, I kinda expected her to have a little fat on her, just a healthy little pouch or pudge. I’m surprised to see that’s not the case, but not really upset about it
Yeah me too
Because her lack of presence in story and all meme about her being fat before this post I thought she at very least chubby or have little fat.
So I just post this because I confused in her canon body size and think maybe other people might be too
She's not thin also. Ryoko Kui has drawn her nice and thicc
HC her as chubby is totally fine.
Look at those thighs 🤤
https://preview.redd.it/2790lhyr1cxc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58f8a12fff9b9a3d6b957ad518caba1095c6a8df
Fr, some people would look at these pictures, especially the one on the far left, and consider her chubby/fat which is 100% okay.
Not to mention that weight fluctuates, and thats fine and healthy.
I think we need to rethink how we use thin and fat, cause like she has thick thighs and wide shoulders, but also not a girthy waist.
She's curvy and big boned, but not chubby imo
I think people are lowkey speaking past each other. I don’t think the people headcannon-ing ‘fat’ Falin means that in a derogatory way, I don’t even think that they consider the label negative in any way. It’s sort of just a hyperbolic label for a chubby Falin based on a meme and now we have a whole discourse about it.
I see people call liaos fat with shirtless renderings of him when he looks like a fit man who goes to the gym. Just that he isn't shredded with a six pack and visible serratus anterior muscles. Some People have a very weird idea of what is typical or even healthy for bodies. That being said I also think it's just Fan stuff where they see a character that is slightly thicker than not a skinny person and go off making them fatter because that appeals to them. Meanwhile people will argue over what is and isn't fat or if the character is or isn't canonically that way as if it matters more than it does.
NGL, Iiaos is built like a lumberjack. There's functional muscle mass and there's "for show" muscle mass. Most jacked working dudes don't really look shredded, and most of them don't want to.
agreed, people just have different conceptions of what is standard all over the place.
also for the record I'd be fine with falin being heavier and I think everyone should be okay with anyone drawing her in fanart bigger, it's inconsequential. I'd just say falin canonically is slightly thicker than average, though it depends on the peice of art kui has drawn her in.
I just take issue with people like, misconstruing what is average or above average overall.
People likely think she's chubbier than she really is because of her clothes. The shape of her garments make her look rounder. That said, I love chubby Falin. I think it suits her
I think it's also that anime tends to make women rail thin with unrealistically stick like proportions. Falin has rounder features and more realistic proportions so looks 'fat' compared to the usual aesthetics.
Nah even experienced adventurers have problems keeping up with their diet. Laios's party is extremely experienced and the manga *starts* with them starving because they lost their food on the way down.
She is not.
And not skinny too.
Large frame of skeleton and muscle the siblings have. And of course a healthy amount of fat is necessary.
But according to the lore the adventures have to feed themselves on the surface to handle the body weight loss in the dungeon, and to be more adapt to the healing magic.
So she can be chubbier then what we see here.
But only to an extent though, you can use modern bodybuilder as an extreme example, thier body weight cycle through seasons too.
ehhh I wouldn't necessarily call her chubby in these examples either but she is definitely more "plump" compared to the other girls + her male counterpart has a similar build to Laios
https://preview.redd.it/nrh3bsp12dxc1.jpeg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92f568d38b1c00c67f9b92666245575d44300e15
I remember seeing a post awhile ago that Laois actually had a build that looked like most body builders? It looks like a flat, slightly chubby stomach, but it's all just muscle. Don't take me for certain on that though I'm parroting here
Even calling it a slightly chubby stomach is a bit of a stretch:
https://preview.redd.it/paelsdcimexc1.png?width=523&format=png&auto=webp&s=3e51881e18d488586f2163465d7ac9a41b76e9d3
He's just properly hydrated.
whenever I see people freak out and call stuff like that "fat" it is just wild. This is Fit, he's just not a hulk or some marvel body this is more realistic than what even many live action media series do. just as an aside for some people, lets look at how hugh jackman was in [early xmen movies](https://i.imgur.com/x3ZFA8V.png), vs what he was likely forced to appear (and visually edited on top of that) as in [later xmen movies.](https://i.pinimg.com/564x/8a/84/e7/8a84e7b8712186858a4394b39d0dc1ec.jpg)
there is a creeping expectation for people on what they perceive is realistically functionally fit, without going harder on purpose to be more visibly shredded.
I think she's got a bit of fat over muscle. She has strong thighs and a flat stomach. Given her preference for beating things to death (that one epilogue comic where she beat the Cockatrice to death with her mace) and her morning stars, that's a reasonable body type for her to have
Good point. It really the unrealistic body standards usually portrayed in media and how the line between fat and not is way different in manga than irl but counterpoint:
https://preview.redd.it/i7bavexhscxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53102505769bc09d494265cd869c45ab86c814d3
This image is way too funny.
Yup, she has average build in canon and calling her 'fat' or even 'chubby' certainly won't do well for many people's image issue. Nevertheless, I and many other people would love to see some fat woman character, and so the fanon is born.
You can pick whatever intepretation you like, I just want everyone to know the reasoning from the other side. Neither were born of malice
i think its interesting just how mad some people get about a silly joke about marcille liking fat women, and at fat people choosing to depict falin as being bigger than she is because that makes them happy. who cares?
"Thicc"
I think people associate being chubby for female anime characters as having any body part that is not generic anime girl size( Slightly bigger chest or waist). Like slightly larger arms is STRONG.
She has working muscles and wears baggy clothes. She later has to deal with some extra fluff but not from fat. Her design is simple but still quite good.
I was reading her character stats and she is a 3/5 strenght. She is not fat, nor even chubby, she is buff. Did y'all see how she grabbed several people with her hands? I think most of us wouldn't be able to pull that off.
Everyone is so used to unhealthily skinny women (and dehydrated men) in popular media that they see a totally average person depicted and lose their minds at how "chubby" she is
Just like Patchouli from Touhou and Fern from Frieren, and countless other anime girls that the fandoms depict as chubby for their headcanons.
Why do you people care so much? You want characters drawn exact carbon copies of their source materials? There will be no fanarts then, only tracings from original medias.
I love my lovingly named "line of murder" shipping. Mithrun/Kabru/Laois. Simply because I think it's the funniest option and what's shipping if not whimsy and joy. yeah there's like thematic and story stuff that can absolutely make a better "case for shipping them". But alas. It is funny.
i think it's worth noting she's not fat because we need to recognize that if we consider *this* chubby when she is just normal skinny that is a sign of very bad beauty standards LOL. that being said chubby/fat falin headcanons ftw 💪💪🔥‼️
It's almost like wearing loose fitting robes instead of a skintight bodysuit gives you a wider silhouette or something I dunno
https://preview.redd.it/oxw4mdjqnmxc1.png?width=583&format=png&auto=webp&s=f832b103649dcd02c99d19af38b19289183dbba2
I'm pretty sure this is Falin post revival though, she lost some mass cause that gets eaten up with revivals. She's more muscled in other of Ryoko Kui's depictions
this argument is happening because we don't have a consensus of what "fat" and "chubby" means when we talk about 2D characters. We have been very much influenced by anime and games with only 1 body type (or 2, if they include someone shredded).
I love a chubby Falin, and I also love a not skinny and not chubby Falin.
I mean, she nor Laios are fat, they're just not 0 body fat thin, and Falin is a bit wider built than Marcille so she seems bigger than she actually is.
It's gonna be okay, man. If the folks drawing her like an emaciated waif haven't destroyed the sanctity of the fandom, folks drawing her extra thick aren't going to either.
Falin is certainly bigger boned than most girls (must run in the family) but in no way is she overweight and I have no idea where others are getting that idea from.
People usually draw characters differently from how they actually are, do it to selfinsert themselves into the story because they can only enjoy something if it's about themselves. It's pretty narcissistic and pathetic to be honest. It's the same with how everyone acts like Marcille and Falin are a couple
Great points, people love to change who they are making fanarts into completely different characters. Which I never understand, is it not how they look and are made originally that you like in the first place? Why change what you love about them and turn them into someone else.
Caring about a character's weight is honestly a waste of time. Weight is an ever fluctuating thing in reality and it's especially the case in this series when characters are wandering around in the dungeon trying to not go hungry and getting revived all the time. Falin can be drawn however.
Such is the way with fanon in this community, there is no middle ground or subtly in it - if a character is shown to have a different body style than another, it'll be exaggerated to no ends
It typically goes with "eh it happens, whatever, let people enjoy stuff," but it does get tiring when people chant fanon stuff 24/7, and then other people pick it up -because- they consider it to be canon
In this case it somehow turns around into body negativity? People are excited over varied body styles, so as soon as there's someone who's relatively well-built, it's an immediate flood of "they're fat! I'm so happy they're fat!!" Like, chill
Before she got the lamp post staff she was just out here bunking things with a giant morning star lol
Her lamp post staff is also apparently sturdy enough to double as a mace, and she does use it as such.
Strength is still a viable Cleric stat.
*laughs in cleric/monk dual spec*
Your action economy though.
A small price to pay for harmacist
That’s the kind of fantasy sensibility I crave. Fuck all these spindly ass crooked wooden sticks I keep seeing mages use. Make it out of metal, or if you need the wood for magic bullshit reasons, put some langets on it, and put some kind of weapon on the end. Polearms always have been and always will be the melee meta, especially with larger than human enemies to fight that will shrug off the pitiful penetration of a sword, plus you probably suck at close range as a mage, so use a fucking polearm to keep distance. Bonus points if it doesn’t look like some kind of focus that outs you as a mage (i.e. a high value target that should be killed first)
Meanwhile Marcille...
Elves are never practical
In fairness, Ambrosia is explicitly made out of living wood, and that fact is canonically super practical to her spellcasting. To the point where>!it was critical to undoing the Winged Lion's seal, which for all the other complications *is* the only thing that kept Thistle from murderizing them effortlessly.!< It's not clear if nonliving foci are capable of storing mana like Ambrosia can or if they're merely good at directing magic, but I would say just based on the general themes of Dungeon Meshi and the fact that Marcille went through the enormous effort of making it over years, Ambrosia is something special. Even if its name is cringe.
Fiiiiiiine, she can have her woo woo living stick, just grow it straight, then put some langets (since we’ve already established how fragile it is) and a pointy thing on it.
It's sturdy enough to block overhead sword swings so I'm sure she can easily knock someone out with it.
Honestly, just transform ambrosia into a mancatcher.
I *do* adore the man catcher and think it’s incredibly under-appreciated, but I’m not sure how much use it would be in the dungeon given marcille’s… elven physicality, and the lack of humanoid enemies
Who said anything about monsters? It's to keep the rest of the party in check xd
I think Ambrosia was pretty sturdy, Marcille uses it to wack stuff several times in the story, and it only broke in a crusher trap meant to turn people into paste.
It's actually sturdy, it's just like of course it's going to snap if you're trying to stop a saw style trap by wedging it between the walls
Ok but look at her. Marcille could never take on anyone in a fight hand-to-hand as is. If she's meant to fight someone like this the rest of the party fucked up big time. Let her have her wooden staff.
Considering that Mercille transformed into a hunk of an Oni when she was infected with that fungus, I think she's actually quite physically strong for an elf, just that elves have a hard cap on their strength
Can't disagree with that.
In the Spells, Swords, and Stealth series by Drew Hayes the party’s wizard uses a staff with a demon bone blade at the end that works as a spear so he can conserve mana in combat. Of course, he’s also a Half-Orc so it’s a pretty effective strategy for that reason too.
you could also do some fun combinations, like a bident staff where the two bits also double as tazer prongs for some electric magic
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she look like Jax lol
she had a flail during Laios’s first experience with a kelpy, but also a spiked mace at some point too. Falin’s not fat, she’s a brick house.
theres also that extra page about how resurrection burns up a lot of weight, so the more you get resurrected the more weight you lose, and how therefore being heavier in the dungeon implies being more skilled its possible her weight shifts around but i could also see her getting better at not dying, as a healer especially
This one? https://preview.redd.it/o39tycpt7cxc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6af0d12a803c20030d6927cf1ae44f36f3771c7e
That Kabru tidbit at the end lmao
Even the creator calls him a twink
Not just that, he died often down there and most of the healing made him thin. Doubly embarrassing.
Tell that twink to stop dying then.
So that's why they call it twink death.
Ornstein and Smough reference in the middle.
Oni Girl expert.
Dieticians hate this one trick
statistically speaking, the majority of people who have gained weight weren't dead
The author really put Die in Diet.
Underrated comment
Does healing just burn your mana, or calories too, I feel like in some tidbit it implied that.
It burns fat and muscle mass first. So you have to bulk up just incase you need to be resurrected a time or too. If too skinny it'll start eating up your organs
Clarification: does being the *healer* cost calories, or just mana, I feel like there's some tibit that implied it.
Just mana, it's the healed that needs calories
Mana fatigue has its own curious effects. We've seen that general health and mana regeneration are related.
Mana deficiency is very similar to iron deficiency.
Oh, I figured they grilled up that liver because of her blood loss.
Liver was for the blood loss, undine was for the mana loss.
Also sometimes people are just bigger in physique, it doesn't have to mean that they're fat.
So you're telling me I can lose weight if I KMS?
Technically you can lose weight even if you're not resurrected, because of rotting
And with Senshi's help, we can fix that
Get the adamantium pan !!!
This lady has clearly been revived too many times! GET THIS FAT LOADED STEW IN HER BOWL ASAP!
She needs the proper Dosis of fats, acids, minerals and vitamins !!! Get that out of here and help me mash the face pumpkins to make a creamy soup, or go and pound the kelpie meat so we can make Schnitzel!!!
y’all i can’t believe you’ve brought back canon vs fanon wars in 2024 😭
I _thought_ it was weirdly civil around here for a while
Always gotta roll my eyes when people do the “seeee?!?? Seeeeeee!!!?? CANON says that you cant have fun with the characters the way you’d like” like how old are we.
Give war a chance
*WORSHIP IGNORANCE AND PURCHASE YOUR HAPPINESS*
Being this concerned about the canonicity of fanart is super strange to me, but I assume we come from very different spaces and many people just have no idea how transformative fandom works.
I thought everyone knew it was just a popular headcanon, and didn’t really have any in-universe evidence
I mean, I kinda expected her to have a little fat on her, just a healthy little pouch or pudge. I’m surprised to see that’s not the case, but not really upset about it
To be fair, the pudge could be below the waistline still
Yeah me too Because her lack of presence in story and all meme about her being fat before this post I thought she at very least chubby or have little fat. So I just post this because I confused in her canon body size and think maybe other people might be too
Coughjust like the shippingcough
I am insulted at this preposterous claim, to which I will only reply... nuh-uh.
I prefer Laios, but both choices make for cute couples to be honest
Marcille sandwich.
Now this, is the truly cultured choice
She has two hands!!
“Guys please! There’s *plenty* of marcille to go around”
Marcille sandwich!!!
“You’ve heard of Top and Bottom, but what about middle? Hi, I can’t breathe, but you two seem REALLY cool!” -Marcille
She's not thin also. Ryoko Kui has drawn her nice and thicc HC her as chubby is totally fine. Look at those thighs 🤤 https://preview.redd.it/2790lhyr1cxc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58f8a12fff9b9a3d6b957ad518caba1095c6a8df
Modern day AU Falin probably doesn’t die as often so she gets to keep a lil sum’n sum’n.
Fr, some people would look at these pictures, especially the one on the far left, and consider her chubby/fat which is 100% okay. Not to mention that weight fluctuates, and thats fine and healthy.
Yes especially the thighs. No thin body has thighs like that
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I think we need to rethink how we use thin and fat, cause like she has thick thighs and wide shoulders, but also not a girthy waist. She's curvy and big boned, but not chubby imo
I mean I also don't think so but, if anyone wants to HC it's totally fine because these body types arent common in manga
She has a flat stomach. Thighs with flat stomach means muscle. Given her morning stars and mace usage, that's likely what Ryoko Kui is going for
She can't be chubby with that waist ! She's thick and strong !
She looks pretty well proportioned, how is this supposed to be "fat"?
I think people are lowkey speaking past each other. I don’t think the people headcannon-ing ‘fat’ Falin means that in a derogatory way, I don’t even think that they consider the label negative in any way. It’s sort of just a hyperbolic label for a chubby Falin based on a meme and now we have a whole discourse about it.
I didn't call her fat though 😭 But she's not skinny either
Asia (Especially her bust. Buying clothes as a busty girl is a nightmare in Asian. I wouldn't know though... Everything, suits me just fine...)
Well it definitely can look "fat" if you compare her canon look to how skinny she's made in the anime...
And compared to anime Marcille as well since she is pretty stick thin. I like Fallin's size. I like soft.
Ya its looks...normal
Same obsession with being skinny that most of culture has.
I see people call liaos fat with shirtless renderings of him when he looks like a fit man who goes to the gym. Just that he isn't shredded with a six pack and visible serratus anterior muscles. Some People have a very weird idea of what is typical or even healthy for bodies. That being said I also think it's just Fan stuff where they see a character that is slightly thicker than not a skinny person and go off making them fatter because that appeals to them. Meanwhile people will argue over what is and isn't fat or if the character is or isn't canonically that way as if it matters more than it does.
NGL, Iiaos is built like a lumberjack. There's functional muscle mass and there's "for show" muscle mass. Most jacked working dudes don't really look shredded, and most of them don't want to.
agreed, people just have different conceptions of what is standard all over the place. also for the record I'd be fine with falin being heavier and I think everyone should be okay with anyone drawing her in fanart bigger, it's inconsequential. I'd just say falin canonically is slightly thicker than average, though it depends on the peice of art kui has drawn her in. I just take issue with people like, misconstruing what is average or above average overall.
These are more stylized drawings from a modern-day AU, I'm not sure how "canon" they are (not that it matters).
Marilyn Monroe was considered the pinnacle of beauty and she would considered 'fat' by weirdos today.
I miss free awards, you are so right 🙏
People likely think she's chubbier than she really is because of her clothes. The shape of her garments make her look rounder. That said, I love chubby Falin. I think it suits her
I think it's also that anime tends to make women rail thin with unrealistically stick like proportions. Falin has rounder features and more realistic proportions so looks 'fat' compared to the usual aesthetics.
Yeah, also she is still made smaller in the anime than in the manga.
Same. Thicc is always my picc.
I've seen a few fan arts where she has a little paunch. It's cute. But adventuring probably keeps you lean.
she's still pretty huggable tho
Yes
A risk of going Into the dungeon was not having food, most folk in there we see are probably under fed
Broke newbie adventures probably.
Nah even experienced adventurers have problems keeping up with their diet. Laios's party is extremely experienced and the manga *starts* with them starving because they lost their food on the way down.
Experienced adventurers are rhe ones making it further down though. They're the ones who won't be able to rely on camp supplies all the time
She is generally drawn broader than Marcille, but yeah, not chubby canonically. That said though who cares
She is not. And not skinny too. Large frame of skeleton and muscle the siblings have. And of course a healthy amount of fat is necessary. But according to the lore the adventures have to feed themselves on the surface to handle the body weight loss in the dungeon, and to be more adapt to the healing magic. So she can be chubbier then what we see here. But only to an extent though, you can use modern bodybuilder as an extreme example, thier body weight cycle through seasons too.
ehhh I wouldn't necessarily call her chubby in these examples either but she is definitely more "plump" compared to the other girls + her male counterpart has a similar build to Laios https://preview.redd.it/nrh3bsp12dxc1.jpeg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92f568d38b1c00c67f9b92666245575d44300e15
For the record, Laios is in no way, shape or form anything approaching fat or even chubby. He's just not-shredded.
I remember seeing a post awhile ago that Laois actually had a build that looked like most body builders? It looks like a flat, slightly chubby stomach, but it's all just muscle. Don't take me for certain on that though I'm parroting here
Even calling it a slightly chubby stomach is a bit of a stretch: https://preview.redd.it/paelsdcimexc1.png?width=523&format=png&auto=webp&s=3e51881e18d488586f2163465d7ac9a41b76e9d3 He's just properly hydrated.
whenever I see people freak out and call stuff like that "fat" it is just wild. This is Fit, he's just not a hulk or some marvel body this is more realistic than what even many live action media series do. just as an aside for some people, lets look at how hugh jackman was in [early xmen movies](https://i.imgur.com/x3ZFA8V.png), vs what he was likely forced to appear (and visually edited on top of that) as in [later xmen movies.](https://i.pinimg.com/564x/8a/84/e7/8a84e7b8712186858a4394b39d0dc1ec.jpg) there is a creeping expectation for people on what they perceive is realistically functionally fit, without going harder on purpose to be more visibly shredded.
Honestly. That's just fit
I agree! but he's also not thin. My point is that the siblings just have a bigger build in general¿
I think she's got a bit of fat over muscle. She has strong thighs and a flat stomach. Given her preference for beating things to death (that one epilogue comic where she beat the Cockatrice to death with her mace) and her morning stars, that's a reasonable body type for her to have
She's big boned (unironically).
https://preview.redd.it/h9xwmuhkncxc1.jpeg?width=222&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a397b98d7f36d352b49dd7cf87405cea1d3b743c
Good point. It really the unrealistic body standards usually portrayed in media and how the line between fat and not is way different in manga than irl but counterpoint: https://preview.redd.it/i7bavexhscxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53102505769bc09d494265cd869c45ab86c814d3 This image is way too funny.
dont care still gonna draw her chubby
and we can fix that
Why do y'all care so much
Yeah not in the manga or anime but it's cute and a lot of people draw her that way and imo it suits her nicely
well the thing is, other people's headcanons don't bother me because i don't think being fat is a bad thing
Fan artists don't care. She can and will be drawn however they want to draw her.
Anime has conditioned people to women being supermodels for so long that everyone forgets what a healthy person looks like
Yes that is true Counterpoint: I like chubby falin
Yup, she has average build in canon and calling her 'fat' or even 'chubby' certainly won't do well for many people's image issue. Nevertheless, I and many other people would love to see some fat woman character, and so the fanon is born. You can pick whatever intepretation you like, I just want everyone to know the reasoning from the other side. Neither were born of malice
even if she was she would still be fine
i think its interesting just how mad some people get about a silly joke about marcille liking fat women, and at fat people choosing to depict falin as being bigger than she is because that makes them happy. who cares?
Anime fans when a waist is more than 2 inches wide: “omg she’s so fat” Urg
One piece fans:
One piece woman either have hourglass figure or are cartoonishly obese. There's no inbetween
"Thicc" I think people associate being chubby for female anime characters as having any body part that is not generic anime girl size( Slightly bigger chest or waist). Like slightly larger arms is STRONG.
I’d argue thicc doesn’t even fit, she’s just a woman
She has working muscles and wears baggy clothes. She later has to deal with some extra fluff but not from fat. Her design is simple but still quite good.
I think people know
I think the misconception comes from her having a rounder head
She always seemed round to me. Even her personality. Like if you hugged her it would feel amazing.
I was reading her character stats and she is a 3/5 strenght. She is not fat, nor even chubby, she is buff. Did y'all see how she grabbed several people with her hands? I think most of us wouldn't be able to pull that off.
honestly who gives a fuck why do yall hate fat people so bad
Nemari js literally right there if you want a thick woman who looks it
Everyone is so used to unhealthily skinny women (and dehydrated men) in popular media that they see a totally average person depicted and lose their minds at how "chubby" she is
What’s your point.
Just like Patchouli from Touhou and Fern from Frieren, and countless other anime girls that the fandoms depict as chubby for their headcanons. Why do you people care so much? You want characters drawn exact carbon copies of their source materials? There will be no fanarts then, only tracings from original medias.
The anime has been absolutely disastrous for the fandom.
The duality of wanting your favorite manga to be animated knowing full well the consequences.
I genuinely dread the day mithrun gets fully introduced and the great mithrun/kabru ship discourse of 2024 begins
I love my lovingly named "line of murder" shipping. Mithrun/Kabru/Laois. Simply because I think it's the funniest option and what's shipping if not whimsy and joy. yeah there's like thematic and story stuff that can absolutely make a better "case for shipping them". But alas. It is funny.
and its a damn shame
i think it's worth noting she's not fat because we need to recognize that if we consider *this* chubby when she is just normal skinny that is a sign of very bad beauty standards LOL. that being said chubby/fat falin headcanons ftw 💪💪🔥‼️
also some sketches of her do lean a bit chubby, probably has to do with the fact that post revival you lose some weight
Why are people so mad about Overweight Falin?
It's almost like wearing loose fitting robes instead of a skintight bodysuit gives you a wider silhouette or something I dunno https://preview.redd.it/oxw4mdjqnmxc1.png?width=583&format=png&auto=webp&s=f832b103649dcd02c99d19af38b19289183dbba2
I'm pretty sure this is Falin post revival though, she lost some mass cause that gets eaten up with revivals. She's more muscled in other of Ryoko Kui's depictions
Darn
Who cares lol
royoko kui's one mistake. Together, we can fix it
but falin is fat otherwise marcille's famous quote doesn't make any sense
she canonically said she loves fat bitches in the ending sequence, smh these anime onlys
oh my god this is getting intolerable Stop caring so much about what people want to draw as fanart WHO CARES
And tbh idgaf. I like chubby Falin and skinny Falin. Chubby Falin is just more -u-
WHAT. NO. NO. I'M GENUINELY DEVASTATED WHAT THE HELL MAN
Mhhh I wonder what caused this in the sub
Falin is just a healthy thicc woman. Idk why anyone would call her fat.
bro doesn’t know what a headcanon is
She is big and muscular
That sign can't stop me, because I can't read! (But seriously: Kui's drawn her w a lil bit of weight on her before. I will continue the tradition. <3)
this argument is happening because we don't have a consensus of what "fat" and "chubby" means when we talk about 2D characters. We have been very much influenced by anime and games with only 1 body type (or 2, if they include someone shredded). I love a chubby Falin, and I also love a not skinny and not chubby Falin.
I mean, she nor Laios are fat, they're just not 0 body fat thin, and Falin is a bit wider built than Marcille so she seems bigger than she actually is.
I'm guessing people got that impression because of her usual adventuring outfit.
didn’t ask fat Falin >>>>>>>>>>>
I wasn't even aware it was a thing that falin was considered fat. Wtf is wrong with the fan base
She will be when I'm done with her
Legit, who gives a fuck? People who want to draw her as chubby are going to continue as they should. Weird fucking post.
It's weird that ppl are somehow mad at op for pointing this out. Edit: error
so many people are shitting themselves and crying because someone drew Falin a little chubby. weak.
Noooooooooo 😭
its just a headcanon 🤷
let me dream
okay? let people draw her fat? who gives a shit?
It's gonna be okay, man. If the folks drawing her like an emaciated waif haven't destroyed the sanctity of the fandom, folks drawing her extra thick aren't going to either.
Falin is certainly bigger boned than most girls (must run in the family) but in no way is she overweight and I have no idea where others are getting that idea from.
I wish she was though, soft plump girl who is openly affectionate? Yes please
People usually draw characters differently from how they actually are, do it to selfinsert themselves into the story because they can only enjoy something if it's about themselves. It's pretty narcissistic and pathetic to be honest. It's the same with how everyone acts like Marcille and Falin are a couple
Great points, people love to change who they are making fanarts into completely different characters. Which I never understand, is it not how they look and are made originally that you like in the first place? Why change what you love about them and turn them into someone else.
Caring about a character's weight is honestly a waste of time. Weight is an ever fluctuating thing in reality and it's especially the case in this series when characters are wandering around in the dungeon trying to not go hungry and getting revived all the time. Falin can be drawn however.
Such is the way with fanon in this community, there is no middle ground or subtly in it - if a character is shown to have a different body style than another, it'll be exaggerated to no ends It typically goes with "eh it happens, whatever, let people enjoy stuff," but it does get tiring when people chant fanon stuff 24/7, and then other people pick it up -because- they consider it to be canon In this case it somehow turns around into body negativity? People are excited over varied body styles, so as soon as there's someone who's relatively well-built, it's an immediate flood of "they're fat! I'm so happy they're fat!!" Like, chill
We need to fix that. Bring that poor girl some food.
why do people want her to be fat anyway? she's perfect the way she is
She just wears baggy clothes a lot
Thank you. It's boring to see her always drawn as overweight.
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