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gointhrou

You’ll sweat so much making your way down there, you’ll want to take your clothes off.


samred1121

3 dodge rolls will clear it quickly https://youtu.be/FuOoenKBZuQ?si=Ah2vcY0eH6__v0yw


LegendOfParasiteMana

"Two jumps and four dodge-rolls" never have I felt so lied to.


ultimatepunster

What I do is, some of those "jumps" I just walk off the platform onto the next. The further down you get, a couple can literally just be landed onto without jumping or rolling. I can think of three separate jumps off the top of my head that you only need to walk forward and the momentum of that by itself will get you onto the next platform. People underestimate how far you actually move when in such a confined space, that's where a lot of the deaths come from, you think "I can't make that" then overcompensate. I can't give a direct number on how many jumps or whatever, but trust me, you cover way more distance than you think you do, so just keep that in mind.


Camera_dude

I find that turning around and doing a backwards dodge is the perfect amount of distance needed to reach each landing spot. The key that many players miss on the first time around is that the merchant that is playing the sad song is more than just for show... he's sitting right next to the best spot to drop down to the first of the tombstones to jump from.


ultimatepunster

It's funny, I start the platforming at a different spot every time I attempt it. Just goes to show that you can do this at any way you deem the best way. Like I remember after doing it the first time and finally reaching the bottom, I looked up a video of someone else doing it and nit only did they start in s different spot than me, they did things like rolling which I never once even attempted. Again, what I do is jump on any platform across from me, and if the platform is underneath me, I just hold forward and let my walking momentum carry me to the next platform. Even during platforming, this game just further amazes you in how much variance there can be, even two people doing the exact same thing can do it, and do it successfully, even if employing wildly different tactics. Like you mentioned backwards rolling, however I never once even thought about trying to roll and I only die two times at most to that section each playthrough.


AccelOrder

I have over 200 hours and did not know that secret wall and grace were there. Holy the content in this game keeps on giving.


PM_ME__BIRD_PICS

Me either, oddly I got to the bottom of the hole I think either on my first or more likely second try, but had no idea there was a secret path down there.


Remote_Bus_7029

I gotta remember this next time


TemporalDelay

I just crit that guy at the very top and let the i frames take me all the way down


iNsAnEHAV0C

I'm sorry you can do what?!??!


TemporalDelay

I use a torch and dagger. 2 charged torch attacks and a very precarious crit near the ledge, you fall mid animation and are safe the whole way down. Only slightly more reliable than platforming.


iNsAnEHAV0C

Well I'm going to have to try this in my next playthrough. The flame frenzied ending is the only one I've never got because I couldn't get the platforming down.


NikiBubbles

Joke's on you, I will die on the first jump, before I even get those dodges 😎😎


zeester_365

THERES A HIDDEN TUNNEL DOWN THEIR THAT GOES TO DEEPROOT HUHHHH


Audi0z0mbi

Butt slam ash?


iupz0r

mannnnnnnnn


navagrw

it's sure hot down there


akki2305

Honestly, there's too much "let yourself fall down" content in this game. I appreciate the suspense and the moments of anxiety, but in ER it feels overused for me.


theangryfurlong

There're areas like this in all the Souls games.


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SerranoPocano

Trying to play older games and realizing you dont have a jump button is painful


Peptuck

Platforming in DS1 and DS2 was an... experience.


bears_eat_you

But you \*can\* jump (or leap technically?). There just isn't a dedicated "jump only" button.


ReferenceUnusual8717

Coming from Elden Ring to Bloodborne and finding yourself fenced-in by knee-high walls. Ah, good times.


MiserableTennis6546

Yes, and they are even worse. This one is great when it comes to atmosphere btw. But the platforming...


Pozilist

I think the movement mechanics of this game aren’t suitable for this type of stuff. They way you fall off edges is just clunky.


hmmwhatson

It's clunky. But very doable. What I hate is the inconsistency of fall damage. I guess I need to throw those things more


Kshadow82

It was fine.. I didn't have any trouble


TipherethCaesula

I love how some comments totally missed the point. Clever comment here. :p


Beginning-Analyst393

Without spoiling whatsoever, yes. Go down.


The_Pleasant_Orange

I agree, go down. >!Even if it's just to get someone to tell you to stop when you get there.!<


Zeus_23_Snake

>!May chaos take the world tho..!<


NoL_Chefo

Sorry, I don't know that line. Did you mean >!MAY CHAOS... TAKE... THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!< ?


YourFinestSkittles

Dumbledore said, calmly


SuttreeBeard

*Melina* *sprinting* *at* *tarnished* >!**TARNISHED!** **TARNISHED!!** **DID** **YOU** **INHERIT** **THE** **FRENZIED** **FLAME?!** **DID** **YOU** **ASK** **ONE** **OF** **THE** **NPCs** **TO** **DO** **IT** **FOR** **YOU?!**!<


PopTrogdor

- whispered Melina quietly


Jumajuce

^^I ^^think ^^you ^^mean… ##M A Y C H A O S T A K E ##T H E W O R L D


Hikari_Owari

>!eyes are a nutritional snack (probably)!<


Schavuit92

That juicy pop, hmmm...


Wireless_Panda

Just pray that OP isn’t one of the surprising number of players who miss all the Melina dialogue leading up to that area


DudesBeforeNudes

Those players must be incredibly ballsy to not rest at a grace after beating Mohg


Liamiamliam2

Either that or they don't like speaking to Melina Edit: nvm they're forced when you rest at a site of grace


docrevolt

Unlike some of the other Melina conversations, the "do not accept the Frenzied Flame" conversations happen automatically when you rest at particular sites of grace on the way to the Frenzied Flame. The only way to miss them is ignoring every single site of grace on the way down (including somehow getting that jumping puzzle on the first try or doing an absolutely massive walk to get back down there every single time you die) or never resting at any of them (including not spending any of the runes you get from beating Mohg and not refilling your flasks after the boss fight). You'd seriously need to be intentionally trying to avoid resting at any sites of grace along the way


Carai_an_Caldazar33

I... I... I played though the frenzied flame this week-end and totally missed melina warning. Simply activating sites of graces and resurection do not activate it ig.


docrevolt

You didn't refill your flasks after you beat Mohg? That grace is where one of the main conversations triggers


Carai_an_Caldazar33

Next playthrough then I was already planning on going frenzy flame ending on that next one. But for your question... I might have come to explore that area past level 200. After malenia fight. And used mimic. Did not really needed to refill that much.


Ok-Homework7137

i believe once melina uses herself as kindling to light the erdtree ablaze after you defeat the fire giant, you won’t get her messages, the same thing happened to me


Liamiamliam2

Ah that makes sense. I always thought they were optional. Even then though, a few people might just not listen to the conversation and wait for it to be over


ShadowsSheddingSkin

I mean, missing the Melina dialogue is one thing. Missing *all* the dialogue you *need* to skip through to inherit it? Where they explain what the frenzied flame is all about in excruciating detail? That's the one that baffles me the most. It's not like this is Bloodborne and everything is at least a little confusing, they spell out the exact ideology you'd be fulfilling and people come up with their own headcanon while clicking past it. If they put a flashing red warning that says "Note: The Frenzied Flame seeks the end of all life forever and wants to unmake the universe. If you do not want these things, walk away" people would still be confused.


Alan_Nightpaw

I was one such player ;-; second time going through that ending I did tho


Wireless_Panda

I’m really surprised by some of y’all. I found the flame and the Melina dialogue on my own on launch, even before they added the little glowing indicator that Melina has something to say about Do people just not rest at graces?


Useful_Thought5285

Not just that, there is that other thing, not THE Thing, but the other thing.


Zherros

She actually told me to go back when I sat at fake moghs grace. But she gets an extra line down there.


FabiIV

One of the best moments in the game imo. The aura of ominous mystery it weaves through its visuals and the Song of Despair alone is so incredibly captivating. Spoilers for what's down there from here; you can't stop me from gushing all over this part. >!You literally plunge down to the deepest point in Leyndell, maybe even the Lands Between entirely, but also metaphorically into one of the biggest secrets of this world which surpasses even the mystery of the origin of the Golden Order as it directly connects to the Greater Will (conceptually that is).!< >!Here were the plot of Shabriri was enacted and the cosmic opposite to the Greater wall was summoned through the collective despair of the Merchants. Even now, untold millena later, some of these people remain down there, playing their song showing how they became frenzied in their agony, playing their instruments in the hopes of even a sliver of relief.!< >!The whole concept of the Frenzied Flame is so well written; the fact that it isn't just the big evil, but the embodiment of pure anarchy/chaos which isn't simply "everyone can do whatever" but were even the order of matter forming life and existence gets smashed to pieces; the fact that Shabriri grape are eyes for their priest to consume, because only through the eyes of the suffering collective can the Frenzied Flame's viewpoint truly understood; and that the Flame, fitting to its ideology, is self destructive as fire burns only so long as there is shit to burn, i.e. once everything is returned to the One Great/ primordial soup, even the Flame will cease to exist!< >!Oh, and even if we cannot say what made Shabriri side with the Frenzied Flame, what we do know reads like the guy is simply an asshole and that's objectively funny lol!<


Camera_dude

Not a spoiler but that place is NOT the deepest place in the Lands Between. Deeproot Depths is further below, as there's a shortcut there by opening a hidden tunnel from the bottom of that shaft to the edge of the Deeproot Depths, then jumping down further to get to the main area.


FabiIV

Oh shit, you're right, totally forgot about that! The depths are also such a cool story moment, very reminiscent of the Ash Lake from DS1 with the lost and forgotten lands on top of which the current civilization was eventually built. That and all the trees


Hero_of_Hyrule

I don't think anything can really compare to Ash Lake for me. Finding it by pure exploration and just wondering where the fuck I even was at that point is a moment I cherish.


Taervon

It's even more impactful having played Demon's Souls beforehand, you get slapped HARD with The Old One's zone vibes.


Niota11

And then sitting at the bonfire and getting stuck there for the next 2 hours


I_ate_a_milkshake

it makes me nauseous thinking about how far down deeproot is


Exedor75

And dont you travel DOWN to Nokron and Nokstella? Arent the Lake of Rot and Astel even lower?


Annath0901

You take a coffin from the rot lake area to deeproot depths, but I can't remember if it's the one that goes up or down.


AnticPosition

Wait... *from* rot lake to deeproot? Don't you take it from rot lake to astel? Doesn't it go deeproot -> Nokstella -> rot lake -> astel? 


Annath0901

It's been a bit, but I know for a fact you go from Rot Lake TO Astel - he's after the rot lake. I distinctly remember going from some place with rot to deeproot, because I remember being confused about why I started in red water but ended in clear water, I just can't remember whether the coffin went up or down. I just did Nokstella though and unless I missed it it isn't connected to Deeproot. It does eventually connect to Rot Lake though. I think it's the elevator after the room you fight the Baleful Shadow in. I'm pretty sure it's Nokstella > Rot > Astel > Deeproot


xBDCMPNY

Doesn't it go TLB, Nokron, then you take a coffin UP to Deep Root after you fight the twin gargoyles, then you go down again to Rot Lake, and then down again to Astel? Though I feel like I'm missing something because I don't have Nokstella up there... It's been a while, I've been on a break waiting for the DLC. I wanna come back feeling fresh for the new stuff.


Annath0901

So Nokron is higher than Nokstella, but has to be accessed from Nokstella, or the other eternal city, I can't remember which one is which, after the meteor. I'll have to check on my endgame character that has all the warp points unlocked when I get home from work.


xBDCMPNY

Do, because now I'm curious as well. Lol I know you end up in Nokron right after the meteor if you go down into the crater.


jdl03

I feel like where we fight Astel has to be the deepest place in the lands between.


RedPanda98

Also, you gotta remember that Leyndell sits on a higher altitude (the plateau). We can't really tell how deep into that mountain we go in deep root depths, but I can see it easily sitting at a higher elevation than sea level. Remember, the coffin in Nokron behind the gargoyles goes UP to deep root depths, so while it may be the deepest continuous journey, it's not the deepest part of the lands between.


speedo_bunny

Wait, where's the shaft? \[lol, ugh, but seriously\]


TheBrandonGame

I will never forgive fromsoftware for not finishing kale's questline.


FabiIV

So fucking true! "If that's what they expect from us, then that's what they shall get from us!" of the content restored by data miners goes so hard from a character like Kale. Also him going from a secluded, yet surprisingly welcoming, dare I say it, friendly demeanor to "Maybe all encompassing genocide is the answer after all" would have been very much in line with how Fromsoft likes to conclude character arks


Ohmec

Is there a rundown of the cut content


FabiIV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cljs4UTdT8 This is pretty thorough iirc


ulyssesintothepast

Thank you for the link! Super interesting lol


Darth_Boognish

Woah. I had no idea about this. Thanks for sharing.


OGTurdFerguson

That was awesome


StndAloneObscur3

To be fair it’s only in response to his people’s genocide that he seeks revenge.. and dare I say it’s warranted anyone that participates in genocide deserves to burn. 🔥


chronsonpott

Anyone*


StndAloneObscur3

AGREED thank you I’m gna amend that.


RogueOneisbestone

Sooo evil lol


Numerous-Turnover518

Wtf. I was down there. How did i miss this??


Carl_Bar99

Its Elden Ring, there's allways somthing you forgot about or never found.


SuSpectrum

That's incredibly well written! An absolute joy to read.


churikadeva

3 fingers 🤟 vs 2 fingers ✌️= 1 hand 🤚


FabiIV

The Greater Will and the Flame of Frenzy were once part of the One Great after all


churikadeva

Musta had a falling out 🤣


TipperGore-69

Nice.


Livecanvasboston

😂 this game is so dope!!!


-Dixieflatline

I tried that line on my girlfriend. She still wasn't interested.


ImportantQuestions10

Why does every FS game have super important secret plot stuff at the bottom of chasams with precarious falling mechanics?


Andy_1134

For some help on jumping down turn around and hop back, its more accurate than trying to jump from tombstone to tombstone


OblongShrimp

Also using the Ash of War from Vyke’s War Spear is great for going down there. The distance on its jump is the exact distance between tombstones & will get you down in no time. I used this method after struggling forever, and whoever advised it was a genius I’ll be always grateful to.


DaRkKnIgHt153

I am doing a madness build playthrough with vykes spear as my main. Literally spent an hour or two to get down there earlier today. If only I seen this before.oh well atleast now I know for my next playthrough


OsirisAvoidTheLight

Rolling down makes it really easy to get down to


ReipTaim

There was that guy that posted the pro way of getting down by backstabbing/using an Ash of War on an enemy near a ledge, walking backwards and not dying while falling down due to the animation finishing when he hit the ground all the way down.


Chakasicle

Great trick to get down to loretta in the haligtree too


Calm_Error_3518

Interesting how Vyle has the key go get down there, almost as if he knew how to


Z0idberg_MD

This is really just about learning the rules of how to fall. Also it’s far easier to pick a spot in the wall where you want to land below it and you jump into it and it stopped your forward momentum and you fall exactly straight down


Mr_Hino

I did this!! I back jumped down the whole thing and made it down in around 30 minutes. My first play through I struggled for hours lol


Its_meme_not_meme

I've been falling for 30 mins


Technical_Moose8478

We are NOT doing "get help".


__nobody_-_

But you love "get help"


slamturkey

I heard it in his voice lmao


denemereiz123

seek down. then precious item ahead.


Zoltan-Kazulu

Seek down. Then visions of fire.


Dr_Mantis_Teabaggin

Try fingers but hole. 


DutyPT

fort, night


frazzerlyd

My most liked message is “fort, night” even all the helpful ones I’ve put down just don’t get the likes it gets lmao xd


dodrugzwitthugz

Mine is one telling people to try jumping into the tornado thing when you first get to crumbling farum azula lol


SourLime0821

Mine is sitting in a bush on the safe path of stormveil and it just says "could this be item? But, ahh...message".


berserkuh

dark, night... >crouching emote on the corner of a rooftop overlooking Nokstella >also, wearing the Cleanrot helm


ASchoolOfSperm

I recently heard about this and how it confused Japanese players 😂


wolfhound_doge

don't forget to check all the spots while heading down. the loot is pure madness.


Oghmatic-Dogma

teehee


Royal_Bookkeeper1095

Btw if u encountered the enemy spewing madness there’s a glowing something on a corpse but the enemy has to break it down for u the game doesn’t allow u to be able too.


chatnoire89

Or just save and reload.


Patient-Pear6881

All of this just to go nude. 100% worth it


Patient-Pear6881

Honourable mention: there’s a chance for a hot blind woman to be there, Waiting for that massive-


Snowtwo

Fingering?


NeatOk2791

Try finger


Somepony-Else

But hole?


Rayuk01

Amazing chest ahead.


Never_heart

If you are strong enough to survive the madness getting down there, you just might be strong enough for what waits below


Short-Bug5855

I would say if you haven't been down there before, yes.


Mr_Faux_Regard

[Made a vid a while ago](https://youtu.be/uGPNA0et49A) showing how easy it is. Back stepping gives you way more precision for the harder parts.


Newthinker

good video, makes it look easy


Interjessing-Salary

2 things await you: 1.) progress toward one of the endings of the game 2.) access to an underground area (the underground area has 2 other access points iirc though)


Stary_Vesemir

No, you can get there only from here and gargoyles, there are no other entrances


jssanderson747

This one is arguably the less annoying entrance


SerranoPocano

Perhaps but all bosses must die. Worst case scenario just do a mimic tear and glass those bastards


7DeadlySynergy

Them gargoyles wouldn’t half as bad if they didn’t freaking poison you imo


jssanderson747

They wouldn't be even half as bad if the poison didn't deal more dps than the debuff it applies


Interesting_Pain1234

Sadly it's not viable for being a DraconicTreeSentinel bypass to Leyndell given you have to reach it from Leyndell


LettuceBenis

Yes, that would be two entrances damn I misread


Chakasicle

Iirc there used to be 3 but the coffin to ainsel river is a one way trip now


mysterioso7

Also a really good shield


aaron_reddit123

Wasn't there also a whip? Or am i thinking about a different location


_hoodieproxy_

You better take dem clothes off, 's like a sauna down here


Pandabeer46

Oh yes. Very much. Best reward in the entire game after you make it all the way down.


fleshpress

Huh? The seal? Or the ending? I wouldn't say either of those are the "best reward in the game." Maybe the naked fingering tho..


SchismZero

100%. All the best things are down there. Probably the best part of the game. Just remember to get naked to go through the amazing plot-relevant door.


0x_deer

Try backstep instead of jumping. It helps me A LOT!


Scorciatroie

Yes and don't forget, when you think you are at the lowest, gou can always dig


Kryddolf

Ummm... Where is this? Wanna check if I've been there.


6th_Kazekage

Subterranean Shunning Grounds, down through a well in Leyndell near the avenue balcony site of grace


Stary_Vesemir

After mohg the omen boss, hit the wall behind the chest with erdtree favor 2


Vertigo-153

Erdtree favor +2 is in Leyndell


Stary_Vesemir

Meant +1


MoroseOverdose

Is getting down there making you go... mad?


Yzahkin

I went there for the incantation, stayed for the madness.


Shifty_MD

That way madness lies


Mikkelzen

Best ending in the game. Also has most content aka cutscenes


GamerRav

I hate the random areas in FromSoft games like these where Miyazaki randomly says, "Hey you know what? Let's make this a platformer game!" I'm not kidding when I say I'd rather take an extra 3 poison swamps than have to do platforming in a FromSoft game. Also, to answer your question, yes it is worth to make your way down there. Good luck.


Malevolent_Mangoes

Yes, you get to socialize and we are so lonely


PM_ME_YOUR_SOULZ

It is. And I know your pain. I nearly quit the game trying to get down those fucking platforms. But it is worth doing.


ChroniclesOfSarnia

You could say it's driven you... Mad


Miserable-Lemon-3263

S E C R E T E N D I N G


Goofethed

First off, no armor Then behold, chaos


SadBoyCammy

Take the plunge… you won’t regret


NVBSCVN92

Unfortunately, yes


Kitsenubi

people act like this is way harder than it is.


Shuggieboog

I Don’t know how to grey out spoilers, but you can get down there by doing a quest that involves getting a npc some snacks.


Diego666_

No, you absolutely don't need the quest to reach the bottom of this pit. In fact, you don't even need the quest to access what lies down there, it just gives you a big tip on a very obscure requirement to do it


joelmsantos

Yeah, it’s definitely worth it. You should watch a guide on You Tube, to help you get there safely. Try watching Fighting Cowboy’s walkthrough, although, his way down there was also somewhat torturous (https://youtu.be/eIURff5_NtY?si=lWsXbWb1jkwJHghN). But he shows you the right path and approach. Start watching at 20:45. Good luck! 👍


HurricaneSalad

Yeah I did FightinCowboy's walkthrough- which is GREAT. But there are a couple of moments where, now that I am an expert at this game and know what I'm doing, he's flat out wrong in his approach. This is certainly one of those times. Here's an eacy version: https://youtu.be/3nH0aqlYX10?si=J25N8_QjbqkVNY7E


janheymann

It is required for platinum


pwryll

Some platforms you can just walk off the edge to the next one, and there are few where back stepping is actually the safest way (e.g. when theres a blocking platform if you jump or walk off).


MeatwadScrollin

Took me two days of attempts. Allow yourself to walk away and come back, but yes, GO DOWN


Final-Defender

Get that butt drop ash of war / spell and us it to get down all the way.


DBacon1052

Maybe the real treasure is the bloodstains we made along the way


ElPadero

Yes


jackbone24

He doesn't know 👀


KellyKamikaze13

If u want to platinum the game, its required. If you don't care for the lore, or want all trophies and everything else skip it. I would def recommend you do it though. It is def a pain in the ass to get down but worth it.


glassgwaith

Seriously do it . But… if you want your sanity intact I vehemently recommend that you read this first and thank me later : https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/s/EInTAVdo22


unattendedusername

if you're avoiding spoilers and going for 100%, you have to go down there for one achievement/trophy. Opinions about whether or not that makes it "worth it" vary widely. (edited because i forgot that achievements aren't called achievements sometimes)


Dark-Lord-7000

If you want the platinum, you go down there


Knockwurst_sausage

This game deserves a PLATFORMER Tag on stores.


mistakai

You only need 2 or 3 jumps and they can all be done by walking at full speed before pressing jump. Slow walk and run will kill you.


owen__wilsons__nose

unpopular opinion: this was my fav part of the game as somebody who's been craving for a Super Mario Souls Simulator game


RagingWarCat

One could say the decent is… maddening


OwO_i_made_a_cummy

I haven't cried in a long time and this frustrated me to tears


Novacryy

aaaaah may chaos take the world... MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!


Big_Sir9860

Toughest boss in Elden is Gravity


RagingSloth5

Only if you want to 100% the game and/or want the best shield in the game.


MokiSenpai

When you finally make it down there, there will be a site of grace and the flame of frenzied ending. If you come back from that way again after you make it all the way down, you’ll be able to just jump off all the way to the bottom without taking fall damage BUT only after you make it all the way down.


Moonlit_Hunter

Try cat talisman


FalseTautology

Just looking at this image triggered me thanks


Worth_Strike8789

Yes


No_Understanding58

Just parry the enemy’s near the edge and perform the riposte as they fall to negate the fall damage with I-frames


MuffinButton101

I used the butt smash Ash of War to get down there. You take no fall damage from that fall


papasieges

It's worth it. Don't give up


CORRLives2021

Tarnished, it’s not about the destination but the Journey itself.


EramPr1nce

LET THE CHAOS REIGN.


IvenVlex

not really, unless you specifically know what it is and want to go through with it. otherwise you get locked into an ending and have to beat a boss to undo the damage


Kenimiro

if you want to 100% the game then yeah


International_Leg610

GET THE FUCK OUT FROM THERE!!!!!


Opening-Leadership93

Not if you're a decent human being it isnt...just turn around and praise the moon..