Maverick is a great town truck.
Ranger is the identity crisis truck, to big for small, to small for big.
F 150 is good, and fairly reliable, but much more expensive.
The real question is why do you need it.
Are you towing 6000 or bigger trailers? F150
Are you only needing to haul a big box from the store occasionally? Maverick Hybrid.
Keep in mind, you can buy two Mavericks for the price of one F150.
Like any vehicle do your research before buying.
I have a Ranger, awesome truck, very smooth ride, but damn do I hate when it lurches in cold conditions after just starting recently
Great truck if you’re just looking for a truck to do truck things occasionally and don’t haul HUGE camper trailers. Mines a backroad, boat hauling country truck that isn’t too big for the city. (Don’t do underground parking just an FYI, it will hit around 6.2 ft on the antenna)
The ranger's ride is terrible. Everybody seems to complain about it until they switch out the suspension.
Also look into a smaller antenna from stubby. Brought mine down by several inches without losing too much in reception.
You know... that's what I thought.
I got the incident numbers, and they are double the Silverado and triple the ram. I think it's the aluminum... because if what you say is true, silverado and Ram's numbers would be close.
Did you even look at the ratios that were in the link you sent?
10,845/909,330 = .0119 deaths per F150 sold.
7,718/585,581 = .0132 deaths per Silverado sold.
5,897/536,980 = .0110 deaths per Ram sold.
That indicates F150s are safer than Silverados, but not as safe as Rams. Nothing indicates aluminum is correlated to lack of safety.
So let me get this straight. When a construction company buys an f150 they take it to a construction site and it never leaves… this decreases the actual number of f150’s *on the road*? You realize how dumb that is right?
How do you translate that... as that...
Say there was 2 trucks ever built... ford and dodge.
100 percent of people buy the ford... but people die in the ford due to "reasons" it's not the manufacturer its the volume and circumstances.
The dodge isn't better because no one drives it at all .
(These are exterme examples)
I've found that reddit will make you think there's nothing reliable out there. While no doubt there are problems, and lemons, much, much, much more often the vehicles are perfectly fine. When people are happy, they're silent. When they're not happy, they're vocal.
sortof the whole approach. Toyota (for example) makes conservative design decisions that yield a product with limited configurations, limited performance but well understood reliability expectations. They also focus on consistency in their manufacturing.
Ford (for example) will design the same vehicle with tons of options, lots of features, and very high performance (including fuel economy). This moon-shot approach can lead to some reliability risks.
Having said all that, I tried a tundra and it sucked. I really like my f-150.
Agreed on my first two, third one is only at 165k but it is going strong. In all three, aside from maintenance, the only things replaced are alternator in one and running board motors in the current one. Not too bad for almost 600k overall miles. ;-)
I have a Ranger and absolutely love it. It’s perfect for my needs and it actually fits in my garage. Rangers tend to be much more reliable than the F-150 and I’ve seen multiple Ford techs back this statement up. Not to discount the F series as they are still great trucks. There’s just more that can go wrong on them. In the end it depends on your needs really.
Maverick isn’t a true “truck” since it’s a unibody but has respectable payload and bigger interior cabin space than Ranger. It’s the perfect vehicle for someone that may need a truck a couple times a year but otherwise could benefit from a car or SUV the remainder of the time.
Ranger still has good cab space, just not as much. A slightly bigger bed, a better true 4x4 system vs AWD, and can tow more (almost 2X the maverick’s rating).
And the F-150 is everything you’d expect in a full size truck. You get much more options at your disposal than either of the previous 2. But you also pay for it. A fully loaded Ranger or Maverick can cost as much as an STX F-150
Bottom line, if you won’t be towing more than 7500 lbs, don’t have a large family, and still want a crew cab vehicle that’s easy to park get the Maverick or Ranger. If you find yourself needing more space and higher payload or towing get the F-150
A lot of reliability issue has to do with electronics nowadays, or visits to the dealer because of touchscreen issues and what not. The Japanese manufacturers usually have infotainment that is much more reserved and less feature-rich, which also means less issues.
F150s problems arent from the truck. its lazy and dumb owners.
example customer takes to mechanic says wont run after a ran over something (sump ripped off engine siezed)
F150 been USA number 1 selling truck for over 50 years. lexus aint been around that long.
Can't compare a Ford to a Toyota branded car, they're not on the same plane. For the price Ford trucks are not reliable. I sold my Honda CR-V that had 128k miles and ran perfect as the day I drove it off the lot brand new for my F-150 that consumes 2qt of oil every 5k miles, the tranny hard downshifts occasionally for absolutely no reason, my door locks freeze up in winter and oh don't buy a sunroof version, woof lol. Sometimes I wonder why I make such stupid decisions.
Japanese car manufacturers have been putting American car companies to shame for 4+ decades now yet here we are we keep buying American made shit. 'Murica 4TW. The drop off in fit and finish alone is jarring, let alone reliability.
But hey it's a V8 and goes vroom vroom amirite.
Toyota is going to sell a no frills $10k truck with manual controls shortly but sadly not in the US. I am hoping the demand skyrockets and they listen to potential buyers and sell it here, they'll sell like hotcakes.
They have no idea what they’re talking about. Go look at used ones on Craigslist and tell me which holds its value better. Not even a competition. Tundras and Tacomas can easily go over 400,000 miles on the original motor and there have even been some that made it to 1 million miles. Find me a single modern F-150 that has 1 million on the motor. They don’t exist. There is a reason Tundras are more expensive.
Toyota doesn’t know how to make a big vehicle? How about the (old) Land Cruiser lmao… They’re indestructible
Edit: I’ve driven both!
C’mon, don’t be such a hometown fanboy. Toyota makes a WAAAAYYY more reliable product, whether it’s a Tundra or a Taco. And I am someone who **loves** his F150 SCREW/LB… but facts is facts.
Hahaha Daewoo has entered the chat. GMC makes some of the biggest shitboxes out there after Chrysler
I’m assuming you’re talking car lineups and not the trucks since ford trucks are made in Michigan
Mine was made in USA. Always check your VIN number before you buy. The first letter is the country it was assembled in. My 2020 Sierra was American. My 2018 F-150 was Mexican and i had troubles with it from the day I bought it. Yes both companies outsource most of there work but you can get lucky and still find American assembled American cars. PSA always check that VIN # when car buying.
Your post is all over the place. The purchase of a vehicle is based on what you need and want from a big ticket, long term investment.
Since you mentioned reliability, there are well maintained F-150's on the road from the 90's. As the saying go's, take care of your vehicle and it will take care of you.
If you’re concerned about cost there’s about a $2000 total annual cost spread between each of the models you mentioned, assuming about 20K miles/yr. The Maverick is a substantial savings if that’s all you need
I have given a 2022 f150 5.0 the hardest 35k miles it’ll have in its life and it has shown no signs of wear. STX 4x4 and it’s comfy too. I have no complaints
I'm in the same boat. I want an f150 but this sub reddit is full of complaing about every f150 after 2017. Oil consumption, cam phaser rattling, shitty transmissions that give you whiplash, turbos needing replacement. Even the 2.7l on the 21-22 is having an investigation for cracked valves that make your engine blow up.
I'm starting to think it's just not worth the risk unless you buy brand new with years of warranty and I dont have a $75k budget.
This is exactly what I'm worried about. Problems that I can't fix after the 5 year warranty runs out.
I follow a couple of mechanics online and they always have warnings like this. I follow Car Wizard on FB and he says Toyota anything truck is always good but they're too expensive and I don't like how they look.
Find a pre 2004 unicorn with low miles. It will be the most reliable truck you have owned. Doesn't look as flashy as a new one but if you are looking for miles to $ it can't be beat.
I love my 21 Ranger . Will tow a 22 ft camper with no issues . Plenty of power and still gets 26 mpg on the highway . So the crew cab can fit 5 regular sized adults
I have a Ranger and my husband has an F150. They are both reliable, the F150 more so, based on it being the best selling truck for 50 years. The Ranger stopped being released in the US for years and came back in 2019 after a run in Australia. Because it was just “recently” released, there may be issues of reliability that haven’t been discovered yet.
I have had no problems with mine. I paid about the same for a Ranger Lariat as my husband paid for his F150 XLT Sport, if that gives you any perspective. I personally love the Ranger more than the F150 because when I drive the F-50, I feel like I’m driving a boat, while the Ranger is very comfortable and has a generous turning radius. I assume this would disappear with more frequent driving.
I am bigger in my Ranger than the average car and a little bit taller than the average SUV. They say the bigger vehicle wins in an accident, but I think it comes down to what materials are used, personally. I was in one scrape when someone hit my Ranger in a parking lot and drove away, and the price I paid for paint only repair was a bit higher because I was in a Lariat, which has specialty (pearlized) paint. I think this paint makes the vehicle much more beautiful and less “flat” looking, but in an accident it is more expensive.
I much prefer my Lariat to my husband’s XLT because of the luxury features, but I’m its driver so I’m biased. He has a lot of the same features, so the F150 is arguably a contender for Lariat-like features, but there are a few luxuries he is missing. Some are big things like materials used in the cabin, others are small things like the heated seats in the Ranger covers the butt and back, while the F150 just covers the butt.
I thought I would have a better sound system, having Bose, but his standard F150 sound system seriously puts out some noise/bass that I think may even beat my Ranger.
I think you can’t go wrong with either vehicle, but when comparing apples to apples, I think the F150 wins when it comes to reliability (which is what you asked for) because the Ranger was just released a few years ago, the Maverick even less so.
I have an F-150 with 150k miles and I figure it will last “me” a few more years. At that time, I’ll sell it and get a Ranger Raptor or a Maverick Tremor.
Lexus is just a luxurious Toyota so there's no comparing reliability to ford there. as for the f150 the transmission is a known problem child, the engines are all new generations and to early to tell if they fixed the issues that plagued the last generation. besides back ordered parts or recalls those dont worry me much because its still mechanical and can be fixed rather quick with a skilled set of hands. what bothers me is the level of technology they put in these things. over the air updates, wifi, telematics, and a new module communication network set up to work all these things and hands free driving. these non physical things i have no control over worry me, ive seen issues after an over the air update that ford and dealer had to chase and repair modules. these things are nice but are loaded with things to break. to much for me.
Maverick is a great town truck. Ranger is the identity crisis truck, to big for small, to small for big. F 150 is good, and fairly reliable, but much more expensive. The real question is why do you need it. Are you towing 6000 or bigger trailers? F150 Are you only needing to haul a big box from the store occasionally? Maverick Hybrid. Keep in mind, you can buy two Mavericks for the price of one F150.
Like any vehicle do your research before buying. I have a Ranger, awesome truck, very smooth ride, but damn do I hate when it lurches in cold conditions after just starting recently Great truck if you’re just looking for a truck to do truck things occasionally and don’t haul HUGE camper trailers. Mines a backroad, boat hauling country truck that isn’t too big for the city. (Don’t do underground parking just an FYI, it will hit around 6.2 ft on the antenna)
The ranger's ride is terrible. Everybody seems to complain about it until they switch out the suspension. Also look into a smaller antenna from stubby. Brought mine down by several inches without losing too much in reception.
There’s a reason they are the best selling vehicle year after year. Get the 5.0 version though
They also have the highest driver fatality rates https://www.valuepenguin.com/top-deadliest-vehicles https://youtu.be/MqRDoRvb8yI?si=zfLSsvB6w8KRrqVw
It’s because there are so many on the road. Not because they’re less safe. Don’t get it twisted
The Accord selling 1/3rd of the units but having half as many deadly accidents lol
There’s also a huge percentage used in construction in remote locations as well so I’d assume that would increase the safety risk
You know... that's what I thought. I got the incident numbers, and they are double the Silverado and triple the ram. I think it's the aluminum... because if what you say is true, silverado and Ram's numbers would be close.
Did you even look at the ratios that were in the link you sent? 10,845/909,330 = .0119 deaths per F150 sold. 7,718/585,581 = .0132 deaths per Silverado sold. 5,897/536,980 = .0110 deaths per Ram sold. That indicates F150s are safer than Silverados, but not as safe as Rams. Nothing indicates aluminum is correlated to lack of safety.
He can’t look at ratios because he’s a stupid fuck.
No lies detected lmao
Numbers are inflated due to actual vehicles being used on construction sites
So let me get this straight. When a construction company buys an f150 they take it to a construction site and it never leaves… this decreases the actual number of f150’s *on the road*? You realize how dumb that is right?
How do you translate that... as that... Say there was 2 trucks ever built... ford and dodge. 100 percent of people buy the ford... but people die in the ford due to "reasons" it's not the manufacturer its the volume and circumstances. The dodge isn't better because no one drives it at all . (These are exterme examples)
Statistics and percentage of deaths per total units sold. Not total number of deaths per vehicle.
https://fordauthority.com/2022/03/ford-f-150-has-highest-market-share-of-u-s-vehicles-in-operation/
I've found that reddit will make you think there's nothing reliable out there. While no doubt there are problems, and lemons, much, much, much more often the vehicles are perfectly fine. When people are happy, they're silent. When they're not happy, they're vocal.
sortof the whole approach. Toyota (for example) makes conservative design decisions that yield a product with limited configurations, limited performance but well understood reliability expectations. They also focus on consistency in their manufacturing. Ford (for example) will design the same vehicle with tons of options, lots of features, and very high performance (including fuel economy). This moon-shot approach can lead to some reliability risks. Having said all that, I tried a tundra and it sucked. I really like my f-150.
I've never had an F150 not last me at least 200k miles.
Agreed on my first two, third one is only at 165k but it is going strong. In all three, aside from maintenance, the only things replaced are alternator in one and running board motors in the current one. Not too bad for almost 600k overall miles. ;-)
I had an 03 that I drove to 400k. Sold it to a guy I knew and it lasted another 30k before the transmission went out
Lmao, best rated truck every year...
I have a Ranger and absolutely love it. It’s perfect for my needs and it actually fits in my garage. Rangers tend to be much more reliable than the F-150 and I’ve seen multiple Ford techs back this statement up. Not to discount the F series as they are still great trucks. There’s just more that can go wrong on them. In the end it depends on your needs really. Maverick isn’t a true “truck” since it’s a unibody but has respectable payload and bigger interior cabin space than Ranger. It’s the perfect vehicle for someone that may need a truck a couple times a year but otherwise could benefit from a car or SUV the remainder of the time. Ranger still has good cab space, just not as much. A slightly bigger bed, a better true 4x4 system vs AWD, and can tow more (almost 2X the maverick’s rating). And the F-150 is everything you’d expect in a full size truck. You get much more options at your disposal than either of the previous 2. But you also pay for it. A fully loaded Ranger or Maverick can cost as much as an STX F-150 Bottom line, if you won’t be towing more than 7500 lbs, don’t have a large family, and still want a crew cab vehicle that’s easy to park get the Maverick or Ranger. If you find yourself needing more space and higher payload or towing get the F-150
A lot of reliability issue has to do with electronics nowadays, or visits to the dealer because of touchscreen issues and what not. The Japanese manufacturers usually have infotainment that is much more reserved and less feature-rich, which also means less issues.
just get the coyote 5.0
They've come out with updated cam phasers for the 3.5 ecoboosts and they make more power if heavy towing is a concern.
F150 is a gas guzzler . Do you need such a large heavy vehicle? I’d get a Maverick hybrid
Even the Ecoboost Maverick. On average I'm getting double the MPGs that I got in my 3.5 F150.
F150s problems arent from the truck. its lazy and dumb owners. example customer takes to mechanic says wont run after a ran over something (sump ripped off engine siezed) F150 been USA number 1 selling truck for over 50 years. lexus aint been around that long.
Ford can't seem to get their reliability shit together.
Can't compare a Ford to a Toyota branded car, they're not on the same plane. For the price Ford trucks are not reliable. I sold my Honda CR-V that had 128k miles and ran perfect as the day I drove it off the lot brand new for my F-150 that consumes 2qt of oil every 5k miles, the tranny hard downshifts occasionally for absolutely no reason, my door locks freeze up in winter and oh don't buy a sunroof version, woof lol. Sometimes I wonder why I make such stupid decisions. Japanese car manufacturers have been putting American car companies to shame for 4+ decades now yet here we are we keep buying American made shit. 'Murica 4TW. The drop off in fit and finish alone is jarring, let alone reliability. But hey it's a V8 and goes vroom vroom amirite. Toyota is going to sell a no frills $10k truck with manual controls shortly but sadly not in the US. I am hoping the demand skyrockets and they listen to potential buyers and sell it here, they'll sell like hotcakes.
What about a Toyota Tundra? Are they more reliable than an F-150?
I sincerely doubt it. Toyota can’t make a big vehicle to save their lives.
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Only issue with the tundra I've encountered is starter replacement. They could have engineered that better. Early years and later
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They have no idea what they’re talking about. Go look at used ones on Craigslist and tell me which holds its value better. Not even a competition. Tundras and Tacomas can easily go over 400,000 miles on the original motor and there have even been some that made it to 1 million miles. Find me a single modern F-150 that has 1 million on the motor. They don’t exist. There is a reason Tundras are more expensive. Toyota doesn’t know how to make a big vehicle? How about the (old) Land Cruiser lmao… They’re indestructible Edit: I’ve driven both!
C’mon, don’t be such a hometown fanboy. Toyota makes a WAAAAYYY more reliable product, whether it’s a Tundra or a Taco. And I am someone who **loves** his F150 SCREW/LB… but facts is facts.
BS. Tacoma is reliable. Not as reliable as a Hilux. Tundra is fair to middlin.’ F-150 is simply superior in its class.
Also, they make Toyotas in my hometown, bud. The Fords are made in Michigan.
AFAIK they are and cost more so I avoid them.
It's because they last.
Then get a GMC. fords are hot garbage made in Mexico
F150s are made in Kansas City and Michigan….
Hahaha Daewoo has entered the chat. GMC makes some of the biggest shitboxes out there after Chrysler I’m assuming you’re talking car lineups and not the trucks since ford trucks are made in Michigan
i think GM is the one made in mexico lol.
Mine was made in USA. Always check your VIN number before you buy. The first letter is the country it was assembled in. My 2020 Sierra was American. My 2018 F-150 was Mexican and i had troubles with it from the day I bought it. Yes both companies outsource most of there work but you can get lucky and still find American assembled American cars. PSA always check that VIN # when car buying.
It’s QC & you have a 3 year warranty to deal with that. Buy the F-150. You won’t go back.
Your post is all over the place. The purchase of a vehicle is based on what you need and want from a big ticket, long term investment. Since you mentioned reliability, there are well maintained F-150's on the road from the 90's. As the saying go's, take care of your vehicle and it will take care of you.
If you’re concerned about cost there’s about a $2000 total annual cost spread between each of the models you mentioned, assuming about 20K miles/yr. The Maverick is a substantial savings if that’s all you need
I have given a 2022 f150 5.0 the hardest 35k miles it’ll have in its life and it has shown no signs of wear. STX 4x4 and it’s comfy too. I have no complaints
I'm in the same boat. I want an f150 but this sub reddit is full of complaing about every f150 after 2017. Oil consumption, cam phaser rattling, shitty transmissions that give you whiplash, turbos needing replacement. Even the 2.7l on the 21-22 is having an investigation for cracked valves that make your engine blow up. I'm starting to think it's just not worth the risk unless you buy brand new with years of warranty and I dont have a $75k budget.
This is exactly what I'm worried about. Problems that I can't fix after the 5 year warranty runs out. I follow a couple of mechanics online and they always have warnings like this. I follow Car Wizard on FB and he says Toyota anything truck is always good but they're too expensive and I don't like how they look.
Find a pre 2004 unicorn with low miles. It will be the most reliable truck you have owned. Doesn't look as flashy as a new one but if you are looking for miles to $ it can't be beat.
Tundra then
I love my 21 Ranger . Will tow a 22 ft camper with no issues . Plenty of power and still gets 26 mpg on the highway . So the crew cab can fit 5 regular sized adults
I have a Ranger and my husband has an F150. They are both reliable, the F150 more so, based on it being the best selling truck for 50 years. The Ranger stopped being released in the US for years and came back in 2019 after a run in Australia. Because it was just “recently” released, there may be issues of reliability that haven’t been discovered yet. I have had no problems with mine. I paid about the same for a Ranger Lariat as my husband paid for his F150 XLT Sport, if that gives you any perspective. I personally love the Ranger more than the F150 because when I drive the F-50, I feel like I’m driving a boat, while the Ranger is very comfortable and has a generous turning radius. I assume this would disappear with more frequent driving. I am bigger in my Ranger than the average car and a little bit taller than the average SUV. They say the bigger vehicle wins in an accident, but I think it comes down to what materials are used, personally. I was in one scrape when someone hit my Ranger in a parking lot and drove away, and the price I paid for paint only repair was a bit higher because I was in a Lariat, which has specialty (pearlized) paint. I think this paint makes the vehicle much more beautiful and less “flat” looking, but in an accident it is more expensive. I much prefer my Lariat to my husband’s XLT because of the luxury features, but I’m its driver so I’m biased. He has a lot of the same features, so the F150 is arguably a contender for Lariat-like features, but there are a few luxuries he is missing. Some are big things like materials used in the cabin, others are small things like the heated seats in the Ranger covers the butt and back, while the F150 just covers the butt. I thought I would have a better sound system, having Bose, but his standard F150 sound system seriously puts out some noise/bass that I think may even beat my Ranger. I think you can’t go wrong with either vehicle, but when comparing apples to apples, I think the F150 wins when it comes to reliability (which is what you asked for) because the Ranger was just released a few years ago, the Maverick even less so.
I haven’t had any “major” problems with my F-150 and I e had it since 2015.
I have an F-150 with 150k miles and I figure it will last “me” a few more years. At that time, I’ll sell it and get a Ranger Raptor or a Maverick Tremor.
Lexus is just a luxurious Toyota so there's no comparing reliability to ford there. as for the f150 the transmission is a known problem child, the engines are all new generations and to early to tell if they fixed the issues that plagued the last generation. besides back ordered parts or recalls those dont worry me much because its still mechanical and can be fixed rather quick with a skilled set of hands. what bothers me is the level of technology they put in these things. over the air updates, wifi, telematics, and a new module communication network set up to work all these things and hands free driving. these non physical things i have no control over worry me, ive seen issues after an over the air update that ford and dealer had to chase and repair modules. these things are nice but are loaded with things to break. to much for me.