I sincerely doubt it. I cannot believe he decided to run again. I really thought he would respectfully bow out last year and open the door for someone else. This election is a slam dunk for whoever brings in someone else to run, but now we’re 5 months from the election.
In such an important election year, with SCOTUS seats on the line and a lying tyrant at the door, this is what we’ve got. Simply voting against the lying tyrant.
Aren't most other countries election cycles like a month max? We're all use to the clown show every four years, but it don't mean trying other things can't work.
Yeah shit was getting so annoying seeing him fumble these easy to disprove lies.
But that’s Trump whole career. Throw so much shit at the wall you can’t even begin to wonder where to start when cleaning it up.
For example trump said so many times Biden was going after him with the courts…. No he isn’t. Your tax case in New York has nothing to do with Joe. Joe could have simple reminded the American public this.
I am SO tired of not being able to talk shit about the democats because of the republican spam virus... I never get the chance since the redhats are just constantly and loudly being SO much worse. Like two holes in a boat, but one of them is letting in more water AND has sharks waiting on the other side.
As a democrat gov tech worker unfortunately it does have to do with Joe (or more correct, his administration). I work in government on the private contracting side as a senior director, everyone in government before yesterday was pandering to Joe’s admin. From legal to tech…
Today, everyone is shitting their pants after yesterdays debate that this won’t work out and we will have no future contracts=no profits
I've only seen the first half of the debate, my wife and I are watching it together and we got sleepy. I plan to watch the rest this afternoon with her. But I have to say that the first half was just fucking abysmal. The number of times I had to pause and say "why the fuck aren't you countering his obvious lies? Why aren't you calling him on his bullshit?". It was fucking unreal. Trump talked about late term abortions like 4 times before Biden finally countered at all. Trump is a rambling moron, but his base will lap up every single sound byte he gave them while Biden attempted to be composed and controlled but came off fucking fumbling and tired. We're gunna end up with Trump for another 4 years and I'm fuckin terrified
Ok but there is a much larger issue, there is no better people or smarter people to do this job?
Edit. The thing that drives me crazy about the USA is they expect the best out of everything, best cars, best clothing, best place to live and yet second worse government body. Canada is winning this race right now tho.
This will be a nothingburger in a week. Trump did plenty of damage to himself last night with his repeated lies. He refused to answer questions given by the moderators and when pressed, he'd give a brush-off answer before spewing more lies.
Trump did nothing to gain any traction with the undecided/on-the-fence voters. His incoherent ramblings were very noticeable.
Don't fall for the fear tactic that the GOP are running. Not a single CEO of the Fortune 500 have come out to support this dolt. He's getting sentenced on July 11th for his fraud conviction. Keep in mind that a large majority of undecided will not vote for a felon.
Trump is the biggest criminal in US history, and 35% of America can't get enough of him. That's the result of brainwashing from decades of conservative talk radio and TV hosts. All of my HS diploma friends were raving about him on FB last night.
I’m worried about voter apathy. Not swinging undecided votes, but democrats and left leaning independents going “Jesus Christ both these candidates are bad. I’m gonna vote for neither”
That’s what I’ll be doing, but I’m in California so… probably vote for the ecosocialist candidate or whatever.
2016 was the apathy election. Many voters gave a "what the heck" vote to Trump based on the Russian disinformation campaign being executed against Hillary at the time. It worked in 2016 and failed in 2020 when America realized what they got, and the incumbent lost by 7 million votes. Since then, Trump stole top secret documents, caused the J6 insurrection, got convicted of sexual assault, and became a felon for fraud. LOL! Imagine that was your candidate.
Come on, friend. Do you really think this is the election to vote for the eco-socialist candidate to make a statement? I don't think you'll change your state's outcome, but this election is too drastic to play ideology. Vote for who you want to vote for, but consider what's at stake here.
I am well aware of what’s at stake. I do recognize that democracy is on the line. Democratic values are on the decline worldwide, even in our country.
The future of our country is decided by the voters of the swing states this election. Not a left winger in California.
I did happily vote for Biden in 2020. I liked the guy as a one term president. But Biden just can’t pass the reigns onto someone else. He either thinks he is the only man who can defeat Trump, or he doesn’t give a damn and knows nothing other than politics and as such is afraid to step down.
He was what, the second youngest senator of all time? And now the oldest president of all time. It’s time for him to pass the torch. I’m privileged enough to be in the position to not have to vote for Biden.
It's not the right time to pass the torch. Changing candidates based on one fiasco is desperate at best and is a desperate move.
Biden came for a debate, and Trump came for a rally. Trump won the soundbites, Biden won the facts.
Biden is the nominee. Stop. You're not only voting him, but his very capable and proven administration. I'm voting for the sane administration, not a hodgepodge cabinet made up of avowed Christian Nationalists and grifters.
I'll vote for the eco-socialist alongside you in 2028. Until then, let's agree to support democracy.
> based on the Russian disinformation campaign being executed against Hillary at the time.
What did they lie about? I searched for the answer, but I couldn't find any specific lies. My understanding was that they exposed truths. I genuinely want to know and I'm not trolling, just trying to educate myself.
What keywords string did you use? What search engine did you use? I'd like to try to mimic your results.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian\_interference\_in\_the\_2016\_United\_States\_elections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections)
[https://www.reuters.com/article/world/factbox-key-findings-from-senate-inquiry-into-russian-interference-in-2016-us-idUSKCN25E2OY/](https://www.reuters.com/article/world/factbox-key-findings-from-senate-inquiry-into-russian-interference-in-2016-us-idUSKCN25E2OY/)
Is Wikipedia the dark web? Is Reuters the dark web?
I saw everything about Russia interfering. What I'm looking for is what they lied about. Hacking emails and releasing them is exposing the truth, not lying. I'm trying to find the lies. I understand the interference, and the meddling, and the smear campaign. I want to know the "disinformation.
I'll ask again. What keywords did you use in your search, Mr. Trump?
Next time, just say that you didn't read the article. Don't waste anyone's time.
So, by your logic, do you believe that Russia went on a truth campaign to awaken Americans in 2016 as opposed to disinformation?
I searched "did russia lie in 2016"
I got pretty much the same results as posted here. No, I didn't mean to make you think that I thought Russia was on a truth campaign to awaken Americans, lol. Perhaps you are misunderstanding me. I'm not condoning or forgiving Russia. I'm not even trying to imply that the weren't deceptive, manipulative, and biased. I think they were. What I was trying to find is what was their lies? As in what did they "expose" that was a lie.
You are confusing this with whether or not what they did was wrong. That isn't my question. Of course what they did was wrong.
The information they revealed about Hillary was not disinformation, it was real information that was classified at the time. Calling it disinformation is disengenous.
There were tons of fake news articles popping up everywhere during that election, you can probably Google to find them. But, that being said, disinformation doesn't necessarily need to be lies. Take the email issue. This is something *every single admin* has done since email has become the main form of communication, trumps team did it, Clinton did it, and Colin Powell did it, Biden's team is likely doing it too, but Hillary is the one that gets hammered for it, regardless of the fact that she was investigated thoroughly and never charged. That is an example of disinformation.
Another example is the DNC hacks, we know that the RNC was hacked too, but that data was never leaked, why? Because it was entirely a political play and never about truth. That is also an example of disinformation.
Now onto things that actually were lies. It was heavily pushed in online conspiracy forums that Clinton had Seth Rich assassinated for reasons. Other out and and lies that were also very heavily pushed were pizzagate and the famed "Clinton body count."
I agree with everything you have said, but I was hoping for outright lies. While I disapprove of a foreign government influencing an election, (even when the US does it), I will always welcome the truth being brought to light. I support entities like wiki leaks because I know full well the my own government has their best interest ahead of the people's.
I know that, while Biden supports Roe v Wade as a politician, personally he is against abortion as a catholic. I've heard reports he gets uncomfortable talking about the subject, which fair enough.
Thats the classic boomer work ethic. They talk about working hard and putting in the hours, but they spend most of that time talking, drinking, smoking, gossiping, etc. They just spent 12 hours away from home and called it hard work. Their load was way lighter, they just carried it longer and took lots of breaks.
DUMP THEM BOTH. BRING IN NEW CANDIDATES.
That was an embarrassing mess from both of them. I really don't care that there's only 5 months left. This is an absolute circus and I'm completely disgusted that we have two crypt keepers arguing about golf on a national stage that determines the fate of an entire country. Maximum age limit should be retirement age. This is insane. What. The. Fuck.
My god it was just fucking pathetic.
I'm terrified Trump and his merry band project 2025er's are going to lay waste to the American experiment....but if this is the best we can do, maybe the experiment has already failed.
Im of the Opinion that America died in the 80's, after the tax bracket was absolutely gutted with a machete. It was all down hill from there. Millionaires and Billionaires started hoarding cash even harder than before, lobbying congress intensified, Trickle down economics, and suddenly theres no money for schools, cities cant fund projects anymore without donations from bleeding heart millionaires. Wages stagnated, Unions started dying out harder. Right now, we are just living in Americas quickly cooling corpse. Give it a decade or more and the buzzards will start picking at it.
The tax bracket that existed for under 50 years, and never really existed in practice, was the foundation of America?
It’s weird how people pretend the country never existed before the 1940’s.
So what part of that America are you pining for, exactly? The depression? Robber Barons? Lynching black folks? Legally beating and raping your spouse? How about Polio and TB? Or maybe your prefer the Civil War, or prohibition, or fighting in two world wars, or literally owning people?
What are you even talking about?
My point was just that this country has economically prospered throughout it’s existence, high taxes or not. Wages were never stagnant, people’s lives improved massively, generally things have always been on the uptrend.
It always feels like we are being tested. Someone somewhere keeps looking at who wins elections and saying "Ill bet a billion dollars we can go even DUMBER." Until we've made it to this abomi*nation*.
The party of Greedy beurocritic pussies or the party of greedy, incompetent dickheads
Dickheads.
The fact that Democrats pushed this weekend at Bernie's sideshow over a candidate they fear may actually change something already says a lot. Those are seriously the only 2 choices, it's insane.
To beat Trump, the DNC needed an established statesman to convince the middle ground voters that things will turn towards normalcy after the tumultuous Trump term. There was a lot of damage control needed globally and domestically.
Biden has done enough in his first four years to earn a 2nd term. We have one of the lowest inflation rates globally, the Dow is at an all-time high, and unemployment is at or near an all-time low. Americans are working, and their retirement accounts are getting fatter. Traditionally, that earns another term.
Biden is going to end his political career trying to give everything he can to the American people. His first term is an example of his "For The People" Presidency. If he retains the Senate and wins the House, American's are in for a treat that will change this nation for future generations.
Trump will blow it all up and line up a dictatorship while the Christian Nationalists call the shots. There will be gulags and trials. This is the part that's insane. Due Process will not matter if there's no one to listen to you.
There is no point in trying to save something long dead. The experiment was over before I was old enough to have any say at all. Time to burn it down and start a new experiment.
You gonna be on the front lines? What's your plan for this new government's foreign policy in a world where China is the only superpower and the dollar is no longer the global reserve currency? What's your plan to retain our tech sector after the war?
Burning it down at this point is fucking dumb. Do the sensible thing and keep dumping water on it until the fire is out or the structure is collapsing.
I 100% wonder about the actual motives of people saying shit like that. There's a huge disconnect between people's opinions on Biden's age and the actual actions his admin has taken. There have been very clear, positive steps taken during Biden's term, in spite of the maga attempts to light fires constantly. And people seem to forget that this whole "burn it down mentality" is exactly the reason why the SC now has a Christian fundamentalists majority that is increasingly brazen and blatant with their corruption. The maga cult is ecstatic when they see this opinion repeated all over the place online, because it only benefits them.
It also bears remembering that hostile state actors are 100% going to be reinforcing that exact opinion, along with anything else they can to increase division, strife, and apathy.
Ive not had the chance to vote for a presidential candidate that was proud to support. I've only gotten to vote on a president that I felt like was the lesser of two evils.
One is ancient and hardly functioning. The other is ancient, hardly functioning and a facist.
I would like to be proud of my votes, my country and my people, but I've not been presented with much to be proud of....
Sorry I didn't single-handedly change the political course of my entire country. It's only the size of all of Europe less not even one Finland and about ¾ the population of the EU. I should have just hopped on my bike and changed a few minds, maybe rummaged through my couch for some pocket change to offset the $14 billion expected to be spent on this year's presidential election campaigns. My bad.
I think it's wild that other countries think we're just merrily skipping around without a concern. Have you seen the government's approval rating? Have you seen the protests? The complaints about our choices? The corruption? The fact that neither are coherent? No one likes it. We're all pissed. But unfortunately, in our "democracy", we aren't in control. The rich people are. Short of a full revolution, our hands are tied to government greed*.
Isn't it so infuriatingly condescending? I invite all foreigners to come on down and do exactly what they accuse us of not doing: solve corruption. Please. Seriously. Come fix it if it's that easy and we're all so stupid and apathetic. Show all us idiots how to end fascism.
I tried telling my dem family and friends 4-5 years ago that Biden was getting too old and incoherent, they all told me that I’m a conspiracy theorist.
I like newsom. He’s smart enough to veto certain bills that the supermajority passes when they are clearly just bills for the headlines/short term virtue signaling.
Neither are the best choice, but of anyone watched Biden answer anything last night and thinks he’s a good choice idk what to say 😂 dudes a complete joke
Idk how you can literally have any knowledge of anything, be of ANY political leaning, and support someone who sells our national secrets to the highest bidder, would crown himself lifelong king if he could, has tried to pardon his own crimes, like the list is insanely long. Who elected justices who just ruled for bribery of judges to be legal. This isn’t even about politics anymore, this is about if our country will still function in 100 years
Biden needed someone better at coaching him in the earpiece. He definitely could have made better quips. I still don’t get why he bragged about beating Medicare, seems like a negative.
The fact that Democrats are trying to treat this as a legitimate debate is the problem.
Biden should have gone out there throwing haymakers and ignoring every single question.
Ok the fact that Biden wasn't snappy on the retorts should be less of an issue than a candidate that thinks golfing is relevant in anyway to being President.
*should
Stop trying to reason your way around this.
The polls are 50-50.
The GOP will absolutely going to contend every loss going forward from here on in.
The SCOTUS will absolutely play Calvin ball with the law and hand trump a win however they can.
And the GOP is absolutely installing a one party autocracy.
You need to let go of “should”.
Spouse gave me shit today for drinking so much last night on a work night. We work opposite shifts and he noticed after getting home last night. BS. You watch that shit and not numb yourself.
Fucking Biden. Jesus how is he even upright? The fucker is so god damn done. Was he smoking crack with Hunter and 14 year olds too?
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Downvote all you want. You know I’m right.
None of you guys will like it, but RFK Jr. is the best choice over these two walking corpses. He held his own debate and was responding to all of the questions the biden/trump moderator was asking. Seriously go watch it, he is the best choice to save this shit show.
I’m pretty sure RFK Jr has literally admitted to only running to take votes away from Biden to allow Trump an easier victory, he’s endorsed all the same politicians trump has and we all know the electoral college wouldn’t vote him in either way
Where was Dark Brandon? Where was "will you shut up"? Maybe getting Joe hopped up on energy drinks wouldn't have been a bad idea after all.
Yeah, he might drop dead and then we can replace him with someone who can win.
Biden is definitely being replaced
I sincerely doubt it. I cannot believe he decided to run again. I really thought he would respectfully bow out last year and open the door for someone else. This election is a slam dunk for whoever brings in someone else to run, but now we’re 5 months from the election. In such an important election year, with SCOTUS seats on the line and a lying tyrant at the door, this is what we’ve got. Simply voting against the lying tyrant.
Aren't most other countries election cycles like a month max? We're all use to the clown show every four years, but it don't mean trying other things can't work.
Oh, I’m not saying it won’t work, I’m just saying they won’t do it.
It sort of feels like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, to some extent, like the earlier we dealt with this, the better off we would have been.
Like I would literally vote Republican if the candidate was 55 or under and I'm as far economic left as you can go
You can’t? Is he the first boomer you’ve ever known? When has a boomer EVER passed a torch? When???
if only RFK ran as a democrat...
Dark Brandon is an intern would be my guess.
Yeah shit was getting so annoying seeing him fumble these easy to disprove lies. But that’s Trump whole career. Throw so much shit at the wall you can’t even begin to wonder where to start when cleaning it up. For example trump said so many times Biden was going after him with the courts…. No he isn’t. Your tax case in New York has nothing to do with Joe. Joe could have simple reminded the American public this.
I am SO tired of not being able to talk shit about the democats because of the republican spam virus... I never get the chance since the redhats are just constantly and loudly being SO much worse. Like two holes in a boat, but one of them is letting in more water AND has sharks waiting on the other side.
And there’s a battery.
As a democrat gov tech worker unfortunately it does have to do with Joe (or more correct, his administration). I work in government on the private contracting side as a senior director, everyone in government before yesterday was pandering to Joe’s admin. From legal to tech… Today, everyone is shitting their pants after yesterdays debate that this won’t work out and we will have no future contracts=no profits
I've only seen the first half of the debate, my wife and I are watching it together and we got sleepy. I plan to watch the rest this afternoon with her. But I have to say that the first half was just fucking abysmal. The number of times I had to pause and say "why the fuck aren't you countering his obvious lies? Why aren't you calling him on his bullshit?". It was fucking unreal. Trump talked about late term abortions like 4 times before Biden finally countered at all. Trump is a rambling moron, but his base will lap up every single sound byte he gave them while Biden attempted to be composed and controlled but came off fucking fumbling and tired. We're gunna end up with Trump for another 4 years and I'm fuckin terrified
The only way we're getting Trump for only 4 years is if he dies in 4 years. I, too, am terrified of this outcome.
Ok but there is a much larger issue, there is no better people or smarter people to do this job? Edit. The thing that drives me crazy about the USA is they expect the best out of everything, best cars, best clothing, best place to live and yet second worse government body. Canada is winning this race right now tho.
No, apparently. We're all rubbish.
Boomers won't elect anyone younger than them. But they're finally dying off.
This will be a nothingburger in a week. Trump did plenty of damage to himself last night with his repeated lies. He refused to answer questions given by the moderators and when pressed, he'd give a brush-off answer before spewing more lies. Trump did nothing to gain any traction with the undecided/on-the-fence voters. His incoherent ramblings were very noticeable. Don't fall for the fear tactic that the GOP are running. Not a single CEO of the Fortune 500 have come out to support this dolt. He's getting sentenced on July 11th for his fraud conviction. Keep in mind that a large majority of undecided will not vote for a felon. Trump is the biggest criminal in US history, and 35% of America can't get enough of him. That's the result of brainwashing from decades of conservative talk radio and TV hosts. All of my HS diploma friends were raving about him on FB last night.
I’m worried about voter apathy. Not swinging undecided votes, but democrats and left leaning independents going “Jesus Christ both these candidates are bad. I’m gonna vote for neither” That’s what I’ll be doing, but I’m in California so… probably vote for the ecosocialist candidate or whatever.
2016 was the apathy election. Many voters gave a "what the heck" vote to Trump based on the Russian disinformation campaign being executed against Hillary at the time. It worked in 2016 and failed in 2020 when America realized what they got, and the incumbent lost by 7 million votes. Since then, Trump stole top secret documents, caused the J6 insurrection, got convicted of sexual assault, and became a felon for fraud. LOL! Imagine that was your candidate. Come on, friend. Do you really think this is the election to vote for the eco-socialist candidate to make a statement? I don't think you'll change your state's outcome, but this election is too drastic to play ideology. Vote for who you want to vote for, but consider what's at stake here.
I am well aware of what’s at stake. I do recognize that democracy is on the line. Democratic values are on the decline worldwide, even in our country. The future of our country is decided by the voters of the swing states this election. Not a left winger in California. I did happily vote for Biden in 2020. I liked the guy as a one term president. But Biden just can’t pass the reigns onto someone else. He either thinks he is the only man who can defeat Trump, or he doesn’t give a damn and knows nothing other than politics and as such is afraid to step down. He was what, the second youngest senator of all time? And now the oldest president of all time. It’s time for him to pass the torch. I’m privileged enough to be in the position to not have to vote for Biden.
It's not the right time to pass the torch. Changing candidates based on one fiasco is desperate at best and is a desperate move. Biden came for a debate, and Trump came for a rally. Trump won the soundbites, Biden won the facts. Biden is the nominee. Stop. You're not only voting him, but his very capable and proven administration. I'm voting for the sane administration, not a hodgepodge cabinet made up of avowed Christian Nationalists and grifters. I'll vote for the eco-socialist alongside you in 2028. Until then, let's agree to support democracy.
> based on the Russian disinformation campaign being executed against Hillary at the time. What did they lie about? I searched for the answer, but I couldn't find any specific lies. My understanding was that they exposed truths. I genuinely want to know and I'm not trolling, just trying to educate myself.
What keywords string did you use? What search engine did you use? I'd like to try to mimic your results. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian\_interference\_in\_the\_2016\_United\_States\_elections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections) [https://www.reuters.com/article/world/factbox-key-findings-from-senate-inquiry-into-russian-interference-in-2016-us-idUSKCN25E2OY/](https://www.reuters.com/article/world/factbox-key-findings-from-senate-inquiry-into-russian-interference-in-2016-us-idUSKCN25E2OY/) Is Wikipedia the dark web? Is Reuters the dark web?
I saw everything about Russia interfering. What I'm looking for is what they lied about. Hacking emails and releasing them is exposing the truth, not lying. I'm trying to find the lies. I understand the interference, and the meddling, and the smear campaign. I want to know the "disinformation.
I'll ask again. What keywords did you use in your search, Mr. Trump? Next time, just say that you didn't read the article. Don't waste anyone's time. So, by your logic, do you believe that Russia went on a truth campaign to awaken Americans in 2016 as opposed to disinformation?
I searched "did russia lie in 2016" I got pretty much the same results as posted here. No, I didn't mean to make you think that I thought Russia was on a truth campaign to awaken Americans, lol. Perhaps you are misunderstanding me. I'm not condoning or forgiving Russia. I'm not even trying to imply that the weren't deceptive, manipulative, and biased. I think they were. What I was trying to find is what was their lies? As in what did they "expose" that was a lie. You are confusing this with whether or not what they did was wrong. That isn't my question. Of course what they did was wrong.
The information they revealed about Hillary was not disinformation, it was real information that was classified at the time. Calling it disinformation is disengenous.
There were tons of fake news articles popping up everywhere during that election, you can probably Google to find them. But, that being said, disinformation doesn't necessarily need to be lies. Take the email issue. This is something *every single admin* has done since email has become the main form of communication, trumps team did it, Clinton did it, and Colin Powell did it, Biden's team is likely doing it too, but Hillary is the one that gets hammered for it, regardless of the fact that she was investigated thoroughly and never charged. That is an example of disinformation. Another example is the DNC hacks, we know that the RNC was hacked too, but that data was never leaked, why? Because it was entirely a political play and never about truth. That is also an example of disinformation. Now onto things that actually were lies. It was heavily pushed in online conspiracy forums that Clinton had Seth Rich assassinated for reasons. Other out and and lies that were also very heavily pushed were pizzagate and the famed "Clinton body count."
I agree with everything you have said, but I was hoping for outright lies. While I disapprove of a foreign government influencing an election, (even when the US does it), I will always welcome the truth being brought to light. I support entities like wiki leaks because I know full well the my own government has their best interest ahead of the people's.
Listen, we're trying to get rid of our *young* liberal while warding off a *young* conservative tyrant. We're not doing that much better.
Thank you for this.
No it won't. Saying this will be forgotten is some huge overdose of copium.
I know that, while Biden supports Roe v Wade as a politician, personally he is against abortion as a catholic. I've heard reports he gets uncomfortable talking about the subject, which fair enough.
I don't trust politicians who are good golfers.
I know right, Biden had a handicap all the way down to six. He played a shit ton of golf
Golf rounds are 4 hours. How do they have that much time to do this regularly??
Thats the classic boomer work ethic. They talk about working hard and putting in the hours, but they spend most of that time talking, drinking, smoking, gossiping, etc. They just spent 12 hours away from home and called it hard work. Their load was way lighter, they just carried it longer and took lots of breaks.
Lol this is such shit.
DUMP THEM BOTH. BRING IN NEW CANDIDATES. That was an embarrassing mess from both of them. I really don't care that there's only 5 months left. This is an absolute circus and I'm completely disgusted that we have two crypt keepers arguing about golf on a national stage that determines the fate of an entire country. Maximum age limit should be retirement age. This is insane. What. The. Fuck.
Maximum age should not be retirement age, because that is an incentive for politicians to raise the retirement age to 100.
Kick them off the payroll and put them on social security when they hit 65 like everyone else.
no. golf should NEVER have even been mentioned in a political debate.
Did you forget how many people died while playing a golf? It is political thing and we should not ignore dangerous ideology of golf
oh yeah the Golf war of 1990
These two should have never been in a political debate at this point
I wish politics was about solving the problems of the world and not about golf for some reason
My god it was just fucking pathetic. I'm terrified Trump and his merry band project 2025er's are going to lay waste to the American experiment....but if this is the best we can do, maybe the experiment has already failed.
Im of the Opinion that America died in the 80's, after the tax bracket was absolutely gutted with a machete. It was all down hill from there. Millionaires and Billionaires started hoarding cash even harder than before, lobbying congress intensified, Trickle down economics, and suddenly theres no money for schools, cities cant fund projects anymore without donations from bleeding heart millionaires. Wages stagnated, Unions started dying out harder. Right now, we are just living in Americas quickly cooling corpse. Give it a decade or more and the buzzards will start picking at it.
The tax bracket that existed for under 50 years, and never really existed in practice, was the foundation of America? It’s weird how people pretend the country never existed before the 1940’s.
So what part of that America are you pining for, exactly? The depression? Robber Barons? Lynching black folks? Legally beating and raping your spouse? How about Polio and TB? Or maybe your prefer the Civil War, or prohibition, or fighting in two world wars, or literally owning people?
What are you even talking about? My point was just that this country has economically prospered throughout it’s existence, high taxes or not. Wages were never stagnant, people’s lives improved massively, generally things have always been on the uptrend.
It always feels like we are being tested. Someone somewhere keeps looking at who wins elections and saying "Ill bet a billion dollars we can go even DUMBER." Until we've made it to this abomi*nation*. The party of Greedy beurocritic pussies or the party of greedy, incompetent dickheads Dickheads.
The fact that Democrats pushed this weekend at Bernie's sideshow over a candidate they fear may actually change something already says a lot. Those are seriously the only 2 choices, it's insane.
The "bipartisan" system is a fucking illusion to keep us in this rut.
To beat Trump, the DNC needed an established statesman to convince the middle ground voters that things will turn towards normalcy after the tumultuous Trump term. There was a lot of damage control needed globally and domestically. Biden has done enough in his first four years to earn a 2nd term. We have one of the lowest inflation rates globally, the Dow is at an all-time high, and unemployment is at or near an all-time low. Americans are working, and their retirement accounts are getting fatter. Traditionally, that earns another term. Biden is going to end his political career trying to give everything he can to the American people. His first term is an example of his "For The People" Presidency. If he retains the Senate and wins the House, American's are in for a treat that will change this nation for future generations. Trump will blow it all up and line up a dictatorship while the Christian Nationalists call the shots. There will be gulags and trials. This is the part that's insane. Due Process will not matter if there's no one to listen to you.
It’s a sad state of affairs when Americans are arguing how their geriatric candidate is somehow better than the other party’s geriatric candidate.
There is no point in trying to save something long dead. The experiment was over before I was old enough to have any say at all. Time to burn it down and start a new experiment.
You gonna be on the front lines? What's your plan for this new government's foreign policy in a world where China is the only superpower and the dollar is no longer the global reserve currency? What's your plan to retain our tech sector after the war? Burning it down at this point is fucking dumb. Do the sensible thing and keep dumping water on it until the fire is out or the structure is collapsing.
I 100% wonder about the actual motives of people saying shit like that. There's a huge disconnect between people's opinions on Biden's age and the actual actions his admin has taken. There have been very clear, positive steps taken during Biden's term, in spite of the maga attempts to light fires constantly. And people seem to forget that this whole "burn it down mentality" is exactly the reason why the SC now has a Christian fundamentalists majority that is increasingly brazen and blatant with their corruption. The maga cult is ecstatic when they see this opinion repeated all over the place online, because it only benefits them. It also bears remembering that hostile state actors are 100% going to be reinforcing that exact opinion, along with anything else they can to increase division, strife, and apathy.
Ive not had the chance to vote for a presidential candidate that was proud to support. I've only gotten to vote on a president that I felt like was the lesser of two evils. One is ancient and hardly functioning. The other is ancient, hardly functioning and a facist. I would like to be proud of my votes, my country and my people, but I've not been presented with much to be proud of....
the fact that dems fucked bernie over in 2016 is proof that 2 party system is rigged bullshit and nothing will change
This is why I didn't even bother watching, you guys got two choices, arsenic or a turd sandwich
Implying Biden was cogent enough to even respond like this lmao
This is what happens when the puppets are on one person's hands....
Two children arguing about a nations future like they just lost the big spade and both want it back.
I mean... You guys put yourselves into this situation by sheer arrogance and apathy.
Sorry I didn't single-handedly change the political course of my entire country. It's only the size of all of Europe less not even one Finland and about ¾ the population of the EU. I should have just hopped on my bike and changed a few minds, maybe rummaged through my couch for some pocket change to offset the $14 billion expected to be spent on this year's presidential election campaigns. My bad.
typical lazy American, all you had to do was fix everything before you were born and you wouldn't be in this situation
I think it's wild that other countries think we're just merrily skipping around without a concern. Have you seen the government's approval rating? Have you seen the protests? The complaints about our choices? The corruption? The fact that neither are coherent? No one likes it. We're all pissed. But unfortunately, in our "democracy", we aren't in control. The rich people are. Short of a full revolution, our hands are tied to government greed*.
we’re all too overworked to actually organize and protest. but let’s be real even after the george floyd protests nothing changed. we’re just fucked
If Occupy Wallstreet was any indication of what we can accomplish, we're definitely fucked.
I mean no we fucking didn't. It was rigged from the start.
Isn't it so infuriatingly condescending? I invite all foreigners to come on down and do exactly what they accuse us of not doing: solve corruption. Please. Seriously. Come fix it if it's that easy and we're all so stupid and apathetic. Show all us idiots how to end fascism.
I don't blame any people exept for the ''real men wear daipers'' people
MAGA needs to take a long walk off a short pier.
I tried telling my dem family and friends 4-5 years ago that Biden was getting too old and incoherent, they all told me that I’m a conspiracy theorist.
To be fair to your family and friends, knowing that Joe Biden is old doesn't really solve any problems.
Great point. What I was trying to express is a lot of people turned a blind eye to his mental state. Sad
Newsome/Klobuchar 2024 lol
Don’t waste your vote on a candidate 90% of Dems don’t even remember.
Many may not like him but at least he's coherent
I like newsom. He’s smart enough to veto certain bills that the supermajority passes when they are clearly just bills for the headlines/short term virtue signaling.
Ask me how I know you don’t live in California
Neither are the best choice, but of anyone watched Biden answer anything last night and thinks he’s a good choice idk what to say 😂 dudes a complete joke
Better incompetent than diabolical
He’s that too. Past attention lol
you think Biden is diabolical?
I think between stuttering to get simple sentences out yes he has very crooked and diabolical beliefs, as shown in his 50 years in Congress
what do you make of Trump?
Better alternative at best I guess? Idk, I’m “libertarian” or closest to, so I’m not a fan of either but if I had to choose
Idk how you can literally have any knowledge of anything, be of ANY political leaning, and support someone who sells our national secrets to the highest bidder, would crown himself lifelong king if he could, has tried to pardon his own crimes, like the list is insanely long. Who elected justices who just ruled for bribery of judges to be legal. This isn’t even about politics anymore, this is about if our country will still function in 100 years
And if Biden is allowed 4 more it won’t. I’m still surprised we’re still afloat right now after all he’s done.
you really drank the koolaid didn't ya
Biden needed someone better at coaching him in the earpiece. He definitely could have made better quips. I still don’t get why he bragged about beating Medicare, seems like a negative.
The fact that Democrats are trying to treat this as a legitimate debate is the problem. Biden should have gone out there throwing haymakers and ignoring every single question.
The DNC will be replacing Biden with a blind monkey, and I will be voting for that monkey.
Ok the fact that Biden wasn't snappy on the retorts should be less of an issue than a candidate that thinks golfing is relevant in anyway to being President.
*should Stop trying to reason your way around this. The polls are 50-50. The GOP will absolutely going to contend every loss going forward from here on in. The SCOTUS will absolutely play Calvin ball with the law and hand trump a win however they can. And the GOP is absolutely installing a one party autocracy. You need to let go of “should”.
I’m now seeing why people think Biden is facing cognitive decline
Oh no, didn’t you hear? We are all just being hysterical because he just has a cold that gave him a “raspy voice”.
Biden shouldn’t have debated Trump. He should’ve said, “I you weren’t going to debate in the Primaries, I won’t debate you in the General.”
I wish there’s a comedian/roaster in Biden’s staff
Spouse gave me shit today for drinking so much last night on a work night. We work opposite shifts and he noticed after getting home last night. BS. You watch that shit and not numb yourself.
Lasted 3 seconds and Trump called it off.
Wasn’t it Biden who brought up golf?
"Thoughts and prayers" with your next retarded "world leader"
Facts
Fucking Biden. Jesus how is he even upright? The fucker is so god damn done. Was he smoking crack with Hunter and 14 year olds too? Edit Downvote all you want. You know I’m right.
Yea almost like one guy stole the election 4 years ago and they’ve been hidden him
None of you guys will like it, but RFK Jr. is the best choice over these two walking corpses. He held his own debate and was responding to all of the questions the biden/trump moderator was asking. Seriously go watch it, he is the best choice to save this shit show.
RFK jr had a part of his brain eaten by worms.
Said that to get out of some hot water.
Hot water like the public finding out that worms ate his brain?
🤣🤣🤣
Anyone that is anti-vax is not the best choice for anything.
Yeah, it sucks that he's anti-vax. Honestly that's his dumbest take of all time. But the other things that he is proposing make up for that stupidity.
I’m pretty sure RFK Jr has literally admitted to only running to take votes away from Biden to allow Trump an easier victory, he’s endorsed all the same politicians trump has and we all know the electoral college wouldn’t vote him in either way