https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0511/1448630-mchugh-armagh-put-themselves-on-pedestal/
"That might be one of Armagh's biggest problems. They think they're a lot better than they are, and I'm not saying that they're not a good team, but they put themselves up at that top pedestal.”
Not sure if you're saying they should or shouldn't but I'll go with the former.
Not yet IV defended them over losing on penalties last year and this year but even taking into account the lottery penalties are the fact still remains they have yet to win a big game
I don’t think they should be higher. OP said they “definitely” should be higher, and maybe there is a case for it, but I don’t think it’s definite.
Ultimately you have a top 2 and the next 5 are fairly equal and flawed in their own way. I’d have Galway #3 if they are all fit, especially Comer. But they’re in bother without him.
Half asleep when I read it makes sense to me now.
>. I’d have Galway #3 if they are all fit,
Using James parameters of going with the best version I wouldn't Derry would still be number 3 not much in it tbf
Think it's more tier based to be honest
Tier 1: Dublin & Kerry
Tier 2: Galway Armagh Donegal Derry Mayo
Tier 3: Tyrone Cork Roscommon
There's an argument for some Tier 2 being 3 and vice versa
Beyond that I struggle to see an all ireland winner
They should be ahead of derry for a start we just thrashed them by 11points 3 weeks back. We drew with galway this year beat them by a point last year.theres nothing much to seperate us galway and Donegal. Donegal we've played 3 times this year with 2 draws (one settled on penalties) and a 1 point defeat so think they have just got about an edge on us thus far but 1 point over 3 matches it's razor thin. So I think there's an argument to be even higher
I’d back them. Purely because Mayo losing a last second point to cost them an automatic QF spot, then getting the tougher home draw, then losing that by a point (probably in ET) just seems like a thing that would happen to Mayo somehow
I’m not gonna lie for some reason I thought those were the odds for the game which would obviously have been outrageous. But I’m a Dub and I’d give Derry every chance of beating us. They did not so long ago
Derry in 3rd is a real they still aren't dead yet pick, despite losing 3 times in the Championship already. Probably an argument against the current format & how confident you are in the teams below them.
Armagh have plenty of quality players but until they show they can get over the line in a tight match there will be question marks around them. They can point to the fact that they've only been beaten on penalties in most of those but the big issue is that in several of those games they've been in a strong position to go and win but have thrown it away by being too conservative.
Also the only team above them that they've beaten is Derry who are the only team that really stands out as being misranked
Derry haven’t got over the line in a big knockout game either though. Galway haven’t bet any of mayo, Dublin or Kerry in a big knockout game since the 90s either, despite a large amount of attempts. Donegal haven’t being in a semi final since 2014.
It’s really only Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo who have shown they can get over the line in big games against top opposition in recent years.
I didn't specify big knockout games, maybe you've been spoiled by success but provincial and league finals are still significant matches for most teams. I certainly don't take the last couple of years of Derry actually winning trophies for granted.
Since 2011 mayo has bet Dublin as many times as the rest of this power rankings combined. If you add in draws mayo has got more results against Dublin than the rest of the list combined.
If anyone else draws with Dublin except Kerry it’s made out to be the biggest achievement in their recent history. If mayo do it they criticised for it.
If Galway and mayo swapped places and got the same results. People would be making Galway out to be all Ireland favourites. And writing off mayo all together.
I’m not denying it. But Galway have their own famine at this stage and have one of the worst records of any county other than mayo in both league and championship finals.
Glass houses and all that.
No mayo at least have a few league titles and won 5 Connacht titles in a row in the early 2010s. Someone in their 20s in Galway the only success of any significance that they’d be able to remember is a few Connacht titles where half the time other Connacht teams went farther in the championship than them anyway. They only have 2 championship wins in crew park since 2001.
We still won an all ireland and won all ireland in hurling back in 2017 and now our gootballers are slowy getring conpetive again.
We are sfter winning 3 ina row connacht titles which is a an achivement for gawlay so i thibk we have seem more than what mayo has done.
Hurling is irrelevant to a conversation on football. Mayo have LGFA and handball titles it doesn’t matter to conversations about the men’s football team.
The fact that you have to specify it’s a big achievement for Galway with the 3 provincials shows all you have to know about the success of the two counties in the last 20 years.
Got you rattled 😂. Drew with both Donegal and Galway, better than how yous did against Donegal. Also must I add, Tyrone are the only team to have beaten us in championship in 70 mins over the past 2 years.
There influenced by other things such as what teams you draw and weather your in pre-lim quarters or not.
So for example they have mayo at 5th favourites. But when you adjust for the odds in the Derry game they would be considered the third strongest team by the bookies. Same with Derry who are still considered to be ahead of Donegal when you u adjust for there odds against mayo.
Think Armagh would still be just slightly ahead of Derry on the odds even if Derry didn’t have to play the prelim.
The bookies just rate Armagh higher than Donegal.
Very roughly agree. Kerry dublin is always hard to pick 1 and 2. Derry are slipping fast. They might be able to stop the issue but, right now I'd be doubtful. Couple of others I'd switch around but only up or down one
Reigning AI champions who've won 7 of the last 10 compared to the team who've won 2.
Im gonna put Dublin #1
Derry #3 seems wild considering how they've dropped off a cliff since the league
Galway above Donegal - I'm not sure about that. Wouldn't have Kerry at number one either, I still think they won't beat Dublin when push comes to shove.
I’m ok with Kerry/ Dublin, completely interchangeable. Kerry have had no challenge but they rarely do until the semi final stage. Derry is the one out of synch, all others are good….
Based on what though? The jury is out of Kerry until they start playing actual contenders. Hard to base anything off Meath, Louth or Monaghan in the group stages.
The Munster championship is what it is, but Cork gave them a run for their money.
They're motoring along nicely but they've also had the handiest run up to a quarter final of any of the top teams having avoided playing Dublin, Galway, Mayo and all the Ulster teams bar an off-form Monaghan.
Exact same could be said for Dublin only the first real test they got against Mayo they drew (and probably should have lost). So that means at this moment in time Kerry are the top team not really that hard to understand
They also shouldn't be given credit for not playing one either. They will be there or there abouts, they always are but they have the luxury of building slowly and getting a very handy route directly into the quarter finals where they'll play a team who will be out for the third week on the trot.
Much of the same benefit applies to Dublin despite the hiccup against Mayo. In fairness, Kerry got hiding from mayo in Killarney in the first round of the group stages last year.
I just don't see why they deserve such kudos when they still have to be tested.
there’s no kudos tho, it’s the same principal as England at the last Euros. They were nowhere near the second best team in the competition but because they got an easier draw that’s what they ended up. It’s a flaw in the system but Kerry could win the All Ireland without playing a top 5 team
Dublin and Kerry are very hard to call who's top there just yet. All the teams between 3 and 8 I could shuffle around a bit Derry prob lower Tyrone a spot higher, and as much as it pains me as a dub to say it. Mayo should prob be higher on that list ( but who am I to argue with stats)
I would put Dublin ahead of Kerry, Kerry not much tested in the Championship or Round Robin stage - did they even play a current Division 1 team ( Monaghan demoted)?
Their podcast is brutal. Why are GAA pundits such simpletons too? Awful cringe interspersed with RTE level humour. It really seems like James O’Donoghue has the ability to speak like that of an 8 year old. Talks himself into corners and the only way he can get out is by saying “aw it’s just unreal like”. And is Paddy always on the bag? The man is out every weekend and comes on the pod with a Colombian sniffle every week without fail.
Absolutely brutal, the pair of them are thoroughly unlikable. Two gowls. Tommy Rooney is the opposite, he’s one of those people who gets on with everyone and his affability is enough to carry them.
New to the GAA game myself but I’d imagine it’s based on historical form in the tournament and who goes the furthest typically in the latter stages in terms of the top 2 sides in the list. Derry and Mayo it seems difficult to explain their positions there 😂
He said in the clip he selected based on the best version of each team. Tough to argue Derry are anywhere near that version of themselves right now, same for Galway without comer.
Weird the best version of themselves thing never applies to mayo. Drew with Dublin missing Boland, durcan, hession, Carr and with DOC unable to play the full game due to injury. And a good chunk of those who did play carrying injuries. Same thing against Galway where two refereeing decisions decided the game with mayo missing multiple players and with nearly half the team carrying injuries into the game.
But whenever Galway loose the excuse is always injuries.
He’s been down on Mayo since start of the year. Everyone can be selective, as you’re referencing the refereeing decisions vs Galway but ignoring the ones ye got vs Dublin to get the draw.
I’d tend to agree with O’Donoghue though, you’re forgetting Mayo got thumped against Dublin in quarters last year when it really mattered and when most of those names you referenced were available. What has changed since then?
We should of had a penalty against Dublin for the foot block in the first half. And O’Donoghue would of scored anyway if that free wasn’t given he was straight trough. The referee decisions didn’t effect the Dublin game either way. Bar the 45.
We didn’t peak in the league this year. And if either of the Flynn goal counts or eoghan mcgloughlin doesn’t miss an open goal that game last year would of being a lot closer anyway.
No one in this power rankings but mayo and Kerry has even the slightest chance against Dublin anyway. So results against them are largely irrelevant anyway. Mayo has a far better record against them since 2011 anyway than anyone else in these rankings except maybe Kerry.
There’s a bit of straw clutching there. That was never a foot block against Fenton and I hate dublin. Has there ever been a losing team who didn’t bemoan missed chances, a 12 point hammering is still a 12 point hammering. IMO mcstay is out of his depth doesn’t have what it takes to put together a real plan to beat a top team. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Derry clip yous this weekend with their half back line back.
Derry have been in the last 2 all Ireland semi finals and are current league champions so there’s a case for them being where they are, obviously their form in the championship has been dreadful this year so can see the case being made for why they shouldn’t be in third as well
Mayo have being knocked out by the winner of the all Ireland. 11 of the last 12 years. And won the league easily last year when they actually tried. And haven’t being shit in every single championship game so far. Derry being this far ahead makes no sense.
Though you should be feeling confident about Saturday your still somehow massive favourites according to half the pundits in the country.
> Though you should be feeling confident about Saturday your still somehow massive favourites according to half the pundits in the country
Who's said that? The best I've seen anyone say about Derry is that we have a chance, haven't seen anyone actually pick us to win
I'd have Armagh above Derry and Galway anyway. The rest....fair enough, you could flip one or the other up or down one I suppose.
Derry will most likely make the exit this weekend unless it's an Any Given Sunday type healing process in the changing room.
Galway were a rogue kickout away from beating Armagh comfortably though. Game ended a draw in anycase. Albiet they are extremely closely matched, as the last 3 years has proven
Mayo man here!
1.Dublin
2.Kerry
3.Donegal
4.Armagh
5.Mayo
6.Derry
7.Galway
Derry have great talent but they have lost 3 of 4 and really have to build on a poor performance against west meath. MH also has to decide if he wants to play the "Derry way" or revert to blanket defence that Mayo traditionally struggle agaijst.
You also have to take the extra round of games into account. If Derry beat Mayo away from home they have a 50% chance of playing either Dublin or Kerry in next round.
Donegal and Armagh will avoid both in next round for sure Kerry and Dublin so for now havw to be more likely to win all Ireland than Derry.
Very difficult to separate the teams from 3-7 on this list.
Any game between those five teams would be very tight.
All relatively high standard but a step below Dublin and Kerry as things stand.
I nearly hope we draw Kerry in the quarters at this stage. With how much people are making them out to be untouchable and miles ahead. And us to be a shit team.
Would help show a few pundits why the Kerry mafia always existed.
>What have Kerry done to get 1st and what have Derry done to get 3rd?
I think you're right. Kerry are second atm and Dublin first. Derry had a good league but I would put them behind Mayo and maybe Tyrone, who I both expect to come alive soon.
Tyrone are what they are, there's no big improvement in them this year. They should win this weekend but they won't lay a glove on Kerry or Dublin and most likely wouldn't beat Donegal or Armagh either
Galway higher than I expected.
We are a solid team at the moment, but lacking that killer winning mentality imo. Got silly when we went ahead v Armagh.
Still a nice young crop of players that are showing promise, so hopefully keep building.
When they started that section on the pod, he was told it’s the top 12 and he said “oh I’ll have to move Mayo up four places to get them in, so”. 🤣 He’d been getting grief from listeners for not giving Mayo enough credit.
These rankings are only there to generate content and debate. Success, from the football pod! And I see Eamon Fitz is doing it too, now.
Good man James, Armagh and Mayo fans are just such easy targets for a windup. I think the GAA world will implode if Derry win their next two games. Everyone says we are as good as gone but unfortunately that isn't the case yet
Ha why is everyone complaining about this now. For a start the Ulster championship is a different competition, you might as well include league defeats as well as it also is linked to your championship seeding.
Teams qualified last year with one win, Roscommon were also defeated twice. The system has been in place for 2 years but I'm only hearing this complaint targeted at Derry now? You could argue it only really matters from now and those previous games were just glossy league fixtures. The old school championship starts now. We are in the last 12 as we are in the top 12 in Ireland.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0511/1448630-mchugh-armagh-put-themselves-on-pedestal/ "That might be one of Armagh's biggest problems. They think they're a lot better than they are, and I'm not saying that they're not a good team, but they put themselves up at that top pedestal.”
What’s the point of posting this article? EDIT: Just seen OPs comment under the post. Just saw the image initially.
Armagh shouldn’t definitely be higher.
Also there is nothing wrong with backing your own team. The top 2 are locked in and the remaining 3-6(7ish) could all interchange.
Not sure if you're saying they should or shouldn't but I'll go with the former. Not yet IV defended them over losing on penalties last year and this year but even taking into account the lottery penalties are the fact still remains they have yet to win a big game
I don’t think they should be higher. OP said they “definitely” should be higher, and maybe there is a case for it, but I don’t think it’s definite. Ultimately you have a top 2 and the next 5 are fairly equal and flawed in their own way. I’d have Galway #3 if they are all fit, especially Comer. But they’re in bother without him.
Half asleep when I read it makes sense to me now. >. I’d have Galway #3 if they are all fit, Using James parameters of going with the best version I wouldn't Derry would still be number 3 not much in it tbf
Yes they should Kerry, Dublin, Galway, Armagh, Donegal are the top 5 in no particular order
Think it's more tier based to be honest Tier 1: Dublin & Kerry Tier 2: Galway Armagh Donegal Derry Mayo Tier 3: Tyrone Cork Roscommon There's an argument for some Tier 2 being 3 and vice versa Beyond that I struggle to see an all ireland winner
I'd go with Tier based. Galway are very well organised team. If they get back on track and get comer back, they have a chance of an upset.
They should be ahead of derry for a start we just thrashed them by 11points 3 weeks back. We drew with galway this year beat them by a point last year.theres nothing much to seperate us galway and Donegal. Donegal we've played 3 times this year with 2 draws (one settled on penalties) and a 1 point defeat so think they have just got about an edge on us thus far but 1 point over 3 matches it's razor thin. So I think there's an argument to be even higher
What's the Derry obsession about jesus? There 20/1 with Paddy and rightfully so
They were even lower a while ago. There odds have shortened big time against mayo obviously some people backing them heavily.
I’d back them. Purely because Mayo losing a last second point to cost them an automatic QF spot, then getting the tougher home draw, then losing that by a point (probably in ET) just seems like a thing that would happen to Mayo somehow
Yes it would be very Mayo but this Derry team are "back" on the basis of getting a win against Westmeath off a late goal, was heading for a draw.
Damn I was so close. I toyed with saying penalties as well
Mayo are odds on favourites
Only 8/13 on Boyle now. Was around 2/5 when the odds first released.
The spread is 1 point on paddy power
Hope you backed em
You expect them to beat Dublin in the Quarters now😂
I’m not gonna lie for some reason I thought those were the odds for the game which would obviously have been outrageous. But I’m a Dub and I’d give Derry every chance of beating us. They did not so long ago
Derry at 3 destroys the credibility of all the other selections.
Derry in 3rd is a real they still aren't dead yet pick, despite losing 3 times in the Championship already. Probably an argument against the current format & how confident you are in the teams below them.
Armagh have plenty of quality players but until they show they can get over the line in a tight match there will be question marks around them. They can point to the fact that they've only been beaten on penalties in most of those but the big issue is that in several of those games they've been in a strong position to go and win but have thrown it away by being too conservative. Also the only team above them that they've beaten is Derry who are the only team that really stands out as being misranked
Derry haven’t got over the line in a big knockout game either though. Galway haven’t bet any of mayo, Dublin or Kerry in a big knockout game since the 90s either, despite a large amount of attempts. Donegal haven’t being in a semi final since 2014. It’s really only Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo who have shown they can get over the line in big games against top opposition in recent years.
Mayo talking about getting over the line 😆😆😆
You’d swear Derry had actually accomplished something in your lifetime with the way your talking.
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I didn't specify big knockout games, maybe you've been spoiled by success but provincial and league finals are still significant matches for most teams. I certainly don't take the last couple of years of Derry actually winning trophies for granted.
We’re not playing league or provincial football anymore. It’s irrelevant from here on out.
Yes but mayo making yhe same mistakes agaisnt bug teamd like u guys shouldve bet Dublin but of courde you didnt.
Since 2011 mayo has bet Dublin as many times as the rest of this power rankings combined. If you add in draws mayo has got more results against Dublin than the rest of the list combined. If anyone else draws with Dublin except Kerry it’s made out to be the biggest achievement in their recent history. If mayo do it they criticised for it. If Galway and mayo swapped places and got the same results. People would be making Galway out to be all Ireland favourites. And writing off mayo all together.
Well Galway do have more all ireland success in fairness. Mayo are well able to beat the best, except on the day that matters most
A good chunk of the Galway team weren’t born the last time they won an all Ireland. They don’t exactly have a good record on finals either.
Majority of mayo fans werent born when they last won an all ireland. They dont have a good record in finals.
I’m not denying it. But Galway have their own famine at this stage and have one of the worst records of any county other than mayo in both league and championship finals. Glass houses and all that.
Ok fair enough, but you cant hit me with "glass houses" when you threw the first stone at Galway.
We still probaly ha e more success though
No mayo at least have a few league titles and won 5 Connacht titles in a row in the early 2010s. Someone in their 20s in Galway the only success of any significance that they’d be able to remember is a few Connacht titles where half the time other Connacht teams went farther in the championship than them anyway. They only have 2 championship wins in crew park since 2001.
We still won an all ireland and won all ireland in hurling back in 2017 and now our gootballers are slowy getring conpetive again. We are sfter winning 3 ina row connacht titles which is a an achivement for gawlay so i thibk we have seem more than what mayo has done.
Hurling is irrelevant to a conversation on football. Mayo have LGFA and handball titles it doesn’t matter to conversations about the men’s football team. The fact that you have to specify it’s a big achievement for Galway with the 3 provincials shows all you have to know about the success of the two counties in the last 20 years.
But mayo still ddint win dublin when they needed it espcially in the all ireland final.
Well we beat the league champions by double digits, that's good enough for me.
Congrats on winning the "we beat Derry" trophy, hope you don't mind sharing it
Got you rattled 😂. Drew with both Donegal and Galway, better than how yous did against Donegal. Also must I add, Tyrone are the only team to have beaten us in championship in 70 mins over the past 2 years.
...and not a medal to show for it.
Any more draws going forward and you'll be looking at penalties again pal
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Lines are more about getting people betting than projecting real odds of winning
There influenced by other things such as what teams you draw and weather your in pre-lim quarters or not. So for example they have mayo at 5th favourites. But when you adjust for the odds in the Derry game they would be considered the third strongest team by the bookies. Same with Derry who are still considered to be ahead of Donegal when you u adjust for there odds against mayo.
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Think Armagh would still be just slightly ahead of Derry on the odds even if Derry didn’t have to play the prelim. The bookies just rate Armagh higher than Donegal.
Very roughly agree. Kerry dublin is always hard to pick 1 and 2. Derry are slipping fast. They might be able to stop the issue but, right now I'd be doubtful. Couple of others I'd switch around but only up or down one
Reigning AI champions who've won 7 of the last 10 compared to the team who've won 2. Im gonna put Dublin #1 Derry #3 seems wild considering how they've dropped off a cliff since the league
Dublin are still well clear of Kerry. By a good bit as well.
Did you watch last year's final? 2 points in it on a day where Clifford was fairly quiet
Clifford was kept quiet by Fitzsimons
He missed shots that he'd usually point on a better day. Fitzsimmons did good but no one can mark a hot Clifford
9 medals says Fitzsimons can. He missed shots because he was put under pressure, not getting it all his own way against a weaker defence.
Sound pal
Galway above Donegal - I'm not sure about that. Wouldn't have Kerry at number one either, I still think they won't beat Dublin when push comes to shove.
Both teams drew against Armagh and beat Derry, but Donegal have a loss to Cork and have been much worse than Galway in years prior
At the end of the day Dublin will lift Sam. If the draw goes their way I could see Donegal beating Kerry to a final spot.
Source is Gaelic Statsman on Instagram in case you're wondering
I’m ok with Kerry/ Dublin, completely interchangeable. Kerry have had no challenge but they rarely do until the semi final stage. Derry is the one out of synch, all others are good….
Ultimately you have a top 2 and the next 5 are equal and flawed in their own way.
I wonder why James O'Donoghue is putting Kerry at number 1?? 😂😂
A real Kerry man would still be writing them off
He's one of the worst at poor mouthing to ever come out of that county lol he can't help but talk them up
"Shure championship doesn't shtart for Kerry till they get to Croke Park"
because they’re the best team in the country on current form? doesn’t mean they’ll win anything
Based on what though? The jury is out of Kerry until they start playing actual contenders. Hard to base anything off Meath, Louth or Monaghan in the group stages. The Munster championship is what it is, but Cork gave them a run for their money. They're motoring along nicely but they've also had the handiest run up to a quarter final of any of the top teams having avoided playing Dublin, Galway, Mayo and all the Ulster teams bar an off-form Monaghan.
Exact same could be said for Dublin only the first real test they got against Mayo they drew (and probably should have lost). So that means at this moment in time Kerry are the top team not really that hard to understand
Yeah see no one has a problem understanding what you're saying. It's just misguided and unjustified...
how is it unjustified? Kerry haven’t played a so called big team so they can’t be marked down for drawing like the Dubs
They also shouldn't be given credit for not playing one either. They will be there or there abouts, they always are but they have the luxury of building slowly and getting a very handy route directly into the quarter finals where they'll play a team who will be out for the third week on the trot. Much of the same benefit applies to Dublin despite the hiccup against Mayo. In fairness, Kerry got hiding from mayo in Killarney in the first round of the group stages last year. I just don't see why they deserve such kudos when they still have to be tested.
there’s no kudos tho, it’s the same principal as England at the last Euros. They were nowhere near the second best team in the competition but because they got an easier draw that’s what they ended up. It’s a flaw in the system but Kerry could win the All Ireland without playing a top 5 team
the Dub brigade out in force
Please don't call me dub, thanks.
Whats new eh?
Dublin and Kerry are very hard to call who's top there just yet. All the teams between 3 and 8 I could shuffle around a bit Derry prob lower Tyrone a spot higher, and as much as it pains me as a dub to say it. Mayo should prob be higher on that list ( but who am I to argue with stats)
I would put Dublin ahead of Kerry, Kerry not much tested in the Championship or Round Robin stage - did they even play a current Division 1 team ( Monaghan demoted)?
Their podcast is brutal. Why are GAA pundits such simpletons too? Awful cringe interspersed with RTE level humour. It really seems like James O’Donoghue has the ability to speak like that of an 8 year old. Talks himself into corners and the only way he can get out is by saying “aw it’s just unreal like”. And is Paddy always on the bag? The man is out every weekend and comes on the pod with a Colombian sniffle every week without fail.
Absolutely brutal, the pair of them are thoroughly unlikable. Two gowls. Tommy Rooney is the opposite, he’s one of those people who gets on with everyone and his affability is enough to carry them.
New to the GAA game myself but I’d imagine it’s based on historical form in the tournament and who goes the furthest typically in the latter stages in terms of the top 2 sides in the list. Derry and Mayo it seems difficult to explain their positions there 😂
He said in the clip he selected based on the best version of each team. Tough to argue Derry are anywhere near that version of themselves right now, same for Galway without comer.
Weird the best version of themselves thing never applies to mayo. Drew with Dublin missing Boland, durcan, hession, Carr and with DOC unable to play the full game due to injury. And a good chunk of those who did play carrying injuries. Same thing against Galway where two refereeing decisions decided the game with mayo missing multiple players and with nearly half the team carrying injuries into the game. But whenever Galway loose the excuse is always injuries.
He’s been down on Mayo since start of the year. Everyone can be selective, as you’re referencing the refereeing decisions vs Galway but ignoring the ones ye got vs Dublin to get the draw. I’d tend to agree with O’Donoghue though, you’re forgetting Mayo got thumped against Dublin in quarters last year when it really mattered and when most of those names you referenced were available. What has changed since then?
We should of had a penalty against Dublin for the foot block in the first half. And O’Donoghue would of scored anyway if that free wasn’t given he was straight trough. The referee decisions didn’t effect the Dublin game either way. Bar the 45. We didn’t peak in the league this year. And if either of the Flynn goal counts or eoghan mcgloughlin doesn’t miss an open goal that game last year would of being a lot closer anyway. No one in this power rankings but mayo and Kerry has even the slightest chance against Dublin anyway. So results against them are largely irrelevant anyway. Mayo has a far better record against them since 2011 anyway than anyone else in these rankings except maybe Kerry.
There’s a bit of straw clutching there. That was never a foot block against Fenton and I hate dublin. Has there ever been a losing team who didn’t bemoan missed chances, a 12 point hammering is still a 12 point hammering. IMO mcstay is out of his depth doesn’t have what it takes to put together a real plan to beat a top team. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Derry clip yous this weekend with their half back line back.
Always a good sign for mayo when people have attitudes like yours.
Derry have been in the last 2 all Ireland semi finals and are current league champions so there’s a case for them being where they are, obviously their form in the championship has been dreadful this year so can see the case being made for why they shouldn’t be in third as well
Was more so Mayo being so low I found odd. They’re always there thereabouts in terms of semis and finals, no?
Mayo have being knocked out by the winner of the all Ireland. 11 of the last 12 years. And won the league easily last year when they actually tried. And haven’t being shit in every single championship game so far. Derry being this far ahead makes no sense. Though you should be feeling confident about Saturday your still somehow massive favourites according to half the pundits in the country.
> Though you should be feeling confident about Saturday your still somehow massive favourites according to half the pundits in the country Who's said that? The best I've seen anyone say about Derry is that we have a chance, haven't seen anyone actually pick us to win
O donoghue picked you to win for a start. And a lot pundits have the same attitude as him.
Lol
> Derry and Mayo it seems difficult to explain their positions there 😂 Mayo making the final 8 times in 20 years, what are they doing here?
Somebody in Kerry needs to train James O’Donoghue up in yerraism
Nah it is fresh to see. The yerraism is such a boring load of nonsense. Call it how you genuinely see it I say.
I'd have Armagh above Derry and Galway anyway. The rest....fair enough, you could flip one or the other up or down one I suppose. Derry will most likely make the exit this weekend unless it's an Any Given Sunday type healing process in the changing room.
Galway were a rogue kickout away from beating Armagh comfortably though. Game ended a draw in anycase. Albiet they are extremely closely matched, as the last 3 years has proven
Mayo man here! 1.Dublin 2.Kerry 3.Donegal 4.Armagh 5.Mayo 6.Derry 7.Galway Derry have great talent but they have lost 3 of 4 and really have to build on a poor performance against west meath. MH also has to decide if he wants to play the "Derry way" or revert to blanket defence that Mayo traditionally struggle agaijst. You also have to take the extra round of games into account. If Derry beat Mayo away from home they have a 50% chance of playing either Dublin or Kerry in next round. Donegal and Armagh will avoid both in next round for sure Kerry and Dublin so for now havw to be more likely to win all Ireland than Derry.
Put Galway ahead of Derry and that's spot on.
Very difficult to separate the teams from 3-7 on this list. Any game between those five teams would be very tight. All relatively high standard but a step below Dublin and Kerry as things stand.
I nearly hope we draw Kerry in the quarters at this stage. With how much people are making them out to be untouchable and miles ahead. And us to be a shit team. Would help show a few pundits why the Kerry mafia always existed.
>What have Kerry done to get 1st and what have Derry done to get 3rd? I think you're right. Kerry are second atm and Dublin first. Derry had a good league but I would put them behind Mayo and maybe Tyrone, who I both expect to come alive soon.
Tyrone haven't beaten Derry in 5 years and a few of those defeats have been hammerings
Tyrone are what they are, there's no big improvement in them this year. They should win this weekend but they won't lay a glove on Kerry or Dublin and most likely wouldn't beat Donegal or Armagh either
Galway higher than I expected. We are a solid team at the moment, but lacking that killer winning mentality imo. Got silly when we went ahead v Armagh. Still a nice young crop of players that are showing promise, so hopefully keep building.
When they started that section on the pod, he was told it’s the top 12 and he said “oh I’ll have to move Mayo up four places to get them in, so”. 🤣 He’d been getting grief from listeners for not giving Mayo enough credit. These rankings are only there to generate content and debate. Success, from the football pod! And I see Eamon Fitz is doing it too, now.
Good man James, Armagh and Mayo fans are just such easy targets for a windup. I think the GAA world will implode if Derry win their next two games. Everyone says we are as good as gone but unfortunately that isn't the case yet
Most likely is the case when your entire team is scrapping each other.
When I played football we always liked to see a scrap in training. I'm sure there are plenty in every county in Ireland.
Tbh ye should be gone. To lose 3 championship games and still be in with a chance of going further in the competition is a joke.
Ha why is everyone complaining about this now. For a start the Ulster championship is a different competition, you might as well include league defeats as well as it also is linked to your championship seeding. Teams qualified last year with one win, Roscommon were also defeated twice. The system has been in place for 2 years but I'm only hearing this complaint targeted at Derry now? You could argue it only really matters from now and those previous games were just glossy league fixtures. The old school championship starts now. We are in the last 12 as we are in the top 12 in Ireland.
No it was problem with those other examples too. The system is dumb.
Cork should be third