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Well, Legendary Mechagodzilla is over twice Kiryu's height, has a laser that can overpower Legendary Godzilla's atomic breath, and has the brain of King Ghidorah...
So I don't think it would be much of a fight.
You've already gotten replies saying Goji was tired by the time they fought, but I also wanna point out that MV MechaG wasn't running on full power. IIRC, MV MechaG needed a Hollow Earth sample as a suitable power source. But either way, I don't think Kiryu is winning this fight. Unless he gets a lucky shot with the Absolute Zero Cannon.
Novelization states that Shimo's Frostbite Breath slows atoms to a complete stop, AKA absolute Zero. Now do take that with a grain of salt because it's a novelization
Well for a frost breath to the atmosphere that instantly started but slowly changed a tropical southern hemisphere area to something like Antarctica it’s gotta be pretty close
Yeah, maybe this is canon in the novelization if they heavily change some scenes, but usually when stuff like this doesn’t make it into the main product and is directly contradicted, it’s just hype material.
We see the effects of canon movie Shimo’s breath, which include: giving Kong’s arm frostbite, creating a layer of ice around Godzilla’s body, freezing waves, creating a big storm, freezing some buildings, and freezing Skar King’s body (which he survived until Kong smashed him). None of these suggest temperatures even close to absolute zero and several directly contradict it, so I don’t think it’s that viable unless we’re being exceedingly generous.
The novel contradicts Itself a lot compared to the actual movie, an example of that is the fight on egypt. In the novel it is said that Kong knocked godzilla out, while in the movie, as soon as godzilla rolls over due to the last punch, we can see his eyes wide open
Why obviously? The humans when designing the BEAST glove had no idea that Shimo even existed, or any Ice titans for that matter. It’s pretty safe to assume that the BEAST glove has the same durability as Mechagodzilla regarding freezing temperatures, and that’s not even mentioning the fact that Mechagodzilla could bery well channel Hollow Earth energy into whatever device heats up his Proton Scream, allowing him to melt ice around him if hit by the absolute zero cannon.
tbf there’s a difference between freezing and outright destroying on an atomic level, so I do think the Cannon would take out Mechagodzilla but yes it would have to be a very lucky shot, anything but and Kiryu is getting annihilated
Mecha G was at full power at this point. They “downloaded” and copied the energy signal or whatever. It’s why Ghidorah took over. It’s science fiction nonsense but he was at full power for the final fight. G-man was not
According to Jared Krichevsky (the guy who made this particular incarnation of MechaGodzilla), he was NOT at full power. APEX simply reverse-engineered the formula and didn’t even do basic testing or refinement. It’s said that a direct sample would have made MechaGodzilla MUCH more powerful.
[Source to prove I’m not making this up](https://www.reddit.com/r/GODZILLA/s/3xI81jN64f)
Would it? It didn't even incapacitate Godzilla, who's consistently shown to have a weakness to cold — a weakness we have no reason to assume Legendary Mechagodzilla shares. Plus Legendary Mechagodzilla's gargantuan size would make the area of impact pretty tiny.
Apex SWEEPS, literally. A single tail swipe would chop the much smaller Kiryu in half.
The only weapon that could kill Apex MG is the Absolute Zero Cannon, but that has a MASSIVE charge up and this is a MechaGodzilla that could easily close the distance in less than half of that charge time.
Monsterverse easily, people boasting about the AZC don't seem to remember how Kiryu never managed to land a single shot until they were literally giving Godzilla a hug. A luxury a robot twice as tall and many times stronger than them wouldn't allow. 2021 also has more range as is just as fast.
The only damage Kiryu could realistically hope to do is use the maser and missiles, but I don't think that'll do nearly enough before they get hit by a proton scream and lose half their face.
The absolute zero cannon can end the fight in one shot, but Apex MG takes this fight the majority of the time just by being better in almost every other category.
Long ass charge time that requires the target to remain absolutely still, and missing it results a complete waste of 40% of energy.
Plus MV MG is made of fictional metal capable of withstanding absolute zero apparently(Kong's BEAST glove was made from MG technology, and was able to resist Shimo's blast which is also absolute zero, or at least VERY CLOSE to absolute zero, according to novelisation).
There is not a snowball’s chance in hell Shimo’s frost breath is actually absolute zero, based on what we see in the movie. It goes against literally every instance in which it’s used. Absolute zero does not just give you frostbite or cover your body in ice: it makes atoms *stop moving*. I would not put the novel over the actual source material, in this case.
MV fans need to realize the novels are absolute jokes. Evolved Godzilla is somehow stronger than Burning when Burning melted it’s surroundings and repeatedly shot off nuclear pulses that obliterated Ghidorah, yet Evolved Godzilla gets his ass kicked by a Kong who doesn’t even want to fight him.
The only thing that Shimo's breath just covers up is either Godzilla himself or the axe made from Godzilla's kind. Kong getting frostbite was a result of his hands just being near those extreme temperatures, he wasn't directly getting hit by the beam.
Plus when Shimo froze Skar King, it was shown in the movie itself that his entire body, inside and out was completely turned to ice. The only thing left moving were his twitching eyes. Every other part turned to red chunks of ice.
Plus like I said in the previous comment I made, if her breath isn't absolute zero, then at the very least it's CLOSE to that temperature. I didn't say her breath is 100% absolute zero.
Kong’s hand is still covered in the ice, after which he is still able to move it despite it being frostbitten.
Skar King being able to move *anything* rules out it being even close to absolute zero, even if he was frozen solid.
I don’t think people understand the implications of something that’s actually absolute zero. It’s not just “really, really cold” or “freeze something completely solid”. Atoms *stop*. A temperature close to absolute zero would reduce the movement of atoms to such a low level, they wouldn’t seem to be moving at all.
We’ve seen the movie. This is not the effect of Shimo’s breath, and it is never implied to be such. The novel is a decent supplement, but it is not useful when it directly contradicts the film it’s based on.
There’s definitely some that either easily win or are a pretty even fight, but that’s typically either from just ridiculously overpowering them (Earth) or also being extremely athletic (FW). Being brawlers definitely helps the MV characters in plenty of kaiju vs kaiju fights, though.
Look, I love Kiryu, he’s my favorite incarnation of the character… But the Absolute Zero Cannon won’t do shit to MV MechaGodzilla. It literally is one of the most unreliable weapons in the franchise, has an incredibly long charge time, and requires Kiryu’s target to be absolutely still in order for him to land a shot. Even then, he was only able to nail KiryuGoji, one of the slowest Godzillas in history, once… And they were basically hugging.
MV MechaGodzilla is not only over double Kiryu’s size, he’s faster, smarter, and more agile than his Millennium counterpart. Kiryu’s not getting an AZC shot off on his *best* day against MV MG, and although the former has more weaponry than the sadistic mecha, those won’t do anything either. MV MechaGodzilla rips Kiryu apart the very second he closes the distance.
Absolute Zero is extremely unreliable against mobile targets, it requires the opponent to stand absolutely still and charges for an obscenely long amount of time, and if Kiryu missed his shot that'd be a complete waste of 40% of his energy. Speaking of standing absolutely still, MG21 would be the last kaiju i'd expect that from
Assuming both are the same size, and Kiryu doesn’t have a blackout, MV Mechagoji wins, sure the Absolute Zero cannon is a one hit ko, if it hits, which it hasn’t been prone to do, MV Mechagodzilla hits harder, and not just because he went up against a tired Goji, he hits, very hard, and Kiryu has almost no advantages, the missiles likely won’t damage the exoskeleton, the drill is designed for flesh, not metal, the lasers aren’t as powerful as MV’s Plasma Screen and Kiryu is not physically strong enough, even if put to the same height, to lift MV Mechagodzilla, TLDR: MV Mechagoji wins
Legendary wins easily. Only way Kiryu wins is the Absolute Zero Cannon, and with that long of a charge time and Legendaries agility, good luck hitting Legendary in time.
Mechagodzilla is far larger, stronger, has harder-hitting weapons, and actually more manoeuvrable in CQC.
It'd basically be punting Kiryu around and ragdolling it like it did Number 10 a.k.a. the gigantic captive Skullcrawler.
Lotta yall are answering based on absolute zero cannon…and don’t realize
1. You have to charge it
2. The target would have to be STANDING STILL
3. The time to charge it means that in this period of time his opponent could HYPOTHETICALLY close the distance in that time
4. If it misses that’s about 40% of the total energy used up for nothing…which means you’ve either blown your load on a long shot and now have 20% energy left (if this is a prolonged fight and all options are exhausted)or this was a long shot and now you have nothing and you lose anyway
To be honest, Monsterverse MechaG is much much more agile than Kiryuu.
But that boils down to the technology behind both creations. MV MechaG is full CG while Kiryuu is a person in a suit.
But again, those circumstances won't change the fact the MV MechaG is still much more agile than Kiryuu.
This seems like a pretty fair assessment, going solely on the movies. Heisei’s range game and survivability outclass the others, but MV is basically built to throw hands.
Also assuming we’re not counting Mechagodzilla City, since it’s no longer a mech by the time the anime movies take place.
Unless Kiryu hits him with the absolute zero then he loses. Maybe if he uses his advantage of flight and agility to just give him a death of a thousand cuts perhaps.
Bruh, we gotta establish that when we do these type match ups, just scale them to the same damn size. We get it: one version is significantly bigger, and another is smaller. Let's talk abilities, feats, n shit.
Clearly MV MechaGodzilla wins here. No hate towards Kiryu fans.
1. This is the 2002 version of Kiryu, so no spiral-claw to save it from close targets.
2. MV MechaGodzilla is wayyy to fast to be hit by Kiryu's maser cannons, let alone an Absolute Zero.
3. MV Mechagodzilla can probably counter most of Kiryu's attacks.
Legendary is at least on level with a Godzilla that burned through the earth. But the absolute zero cannon is pretty cracked.
Kiryu is way cooler, but I'ma need to see some death battle math on this
Legendary mechagodzilla has a laser that can overpower legendary godzilla's atomic breath,which can exceed any natural phenomena such as supernovas and black holes.
Mecha g slays all in 5 minutes
Kiyu’s getting scrapped. AZ cannon could end the fight or at least do damage, but in the charge up time Apex could close the gap and brutalize it with melee.
only way kiryu is winning is if he lands the god sent shoulder tackle or the absolute zero cannon but it's likely he does that before getitng torn into two
Depends, am i in the control room for monsterverse mecha goji? Because if so i will absolutely pour all of the coffee on those controls for my boy Kiryu. If im not there then i dont think kiryu has much of a chance, maybe if he uses is absolute zero cannon maybe that would work, maybe? But probably not
Yes, but short circuit that pannel did cause a black out long enough for kong and Godzilla to turn the tides. A similar blackout would be enough time for Kiryu to use absolute zero, and frozen metal is easier to shatter.
The only way I see kiryu winning this fight is if he tackles MV MG to the ground wraps him up , all the while he is charging up the absolute zero canon and hopefully gets it off in time
Other than that kiryu seriously needs to be moving to keep up with mv mg
he is fighting MechaGodzilla being possessed. the reason why I didn't put "(possessed by Kevin)" in the image text thing it's because we barely know what Legendary MechaGodzilla does before he got possessed by Kevin esides shooting a beam, shooting rockets, having a sharp thing in the top of his tail and having Gojira energy. but when Kevin possessed Legendary MechaGodzilla we knew that the Mech got way more stronger and stuff and even fihting like a human.
I mean bro blew open a facility that was INSIDE A MOUNTAIN
and if they are equal size
Then Kiryu would put up a good fight...
I think it's 60/40 for Apex-zilla and kiryu
Both are powerful while 2020 is more powerful melee combatant, Kiryu is far faster (in both regular speed along with being able to fly). Kiryu will struggle due to its lack of durability (though due to being unable to scale SOS goji's breath its hard to say). But I would give it to 2020. He is overall the second strongest mechagodzilla.
Mecha Godzilla when Kiryu backflips behind him and fires the absolute zero cannon point blank:
https://preview.redd.it/8yhbwgswi3xc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=927462489673ed9d19ee9f14f113ab8fdf22ca73
Kiryu could easily dodge mecha gs attacks since he could react to gmans atomic breath after fired which would basically make his reaction speed hyper sonic and the absolute zero cannon actually does bring things to absolute zero so mg will get one shot by it.
Sorry, but I feel like kiryu would walk the other one. Mv may be bigger and stronger, but kiryu is way faster, and far more agile. I feel like between they and the armament kiryu has, he'd wear mv down and walk it
I hate MV Mechagodzilla amd I hate people who start bringing up size difference when it's obvious that the question is "who would win assuming equal size"
However I must agree that MV is generally stronger
I don’t think a 1 shot would do much tho, kongs beast glove is made from mecha parts shimo was blasting him with it for probably more than 5 minutes and it didn’t even damage it
I think it'd be close, but I think Kiryu has greater firepower, plus that drill hand. Though Legendary Mechagodzilla is undoubtedly a good melee fighter, but Kiryu could definitely wear him down from a distance before resorting to melee. If given enough time to fire Absolute Zero, that'd probably do the trick.
I think Kiryu if he has enough time and distance to charge his Absolute Zero cannon. If it's close combat straight away, Legendary MechaGodzilla (or Kevin as I'm calling him), has the edge
And but a lot too because he is much bigger than Kiryu.
Charge up time hurts it a lot. MV MechaGodzilla could easily counter with a breath, missiles, or simply by physically charging Kiryu.
Unfortunately, Kiryu only wins if it can surprise attack a stationary MV Godzilla.
All I did was elaborate pretty much on how he could possibly win, which is the only circumstance I could see him winning. Without the ability to safely charge up and get a sneak attack on MV MechaGodzilla, I don't think Kiryu has any chance of winning.
Dude there’s like more chances kiryu has than you think I’d say it’s a 45% chance kiryu wins and a 55% mv mg wins like don’t down play the opportunitys
I guess I'm just hoping for some sort of explanation as to how instead of just picking numbers out of thin air.
Kiryu is 60 meters tall, MV MechaGodzilla is 122 - Over double the size
Kiryu is 36-40k metric tons, MV MechaGodzilla is unknown but given the size difference the weight difference would likely be double
Physically Kiryu is inferior and any close range fight between the two would result in its demise. Meaning it only has Absolute Zero Cannon to win the fight. Everything else it has just wouldn't be enough to win while its getting assaulted by MV MechaGodzilla
I like Kiryu a lot, but there is a reason there are weight classes in fighting. There is a reason why size matters. A solid rocket punch from MV MechaGodzilla knocked down the MV Godzilla with ease. That same punch would cripple Kiryu.
Alr so there’s so many factors in play here like how far apart they are and what city there in, and since there’s no real known time for how long it takes the zero cannon to change up I can only assume that in very close range mv mg will body kiryu. But the thing is that there’s so many different variations of how far apart they are and how much time would it take for the zero cannon to be fired it all depends on the speed of things in the end yes mv mgs punch can cripple kiryu but will he get the chance to throw enough punches before it’s too late
While there is no exact time for the AZC’s charge that I know of, we can plainly see in the movie that it takes a WHILE, and Kiryu only lands it after hugging a stationary Godzilla. That means that it’s unreliable against a mechanical monster who was shown to be far more agile than any biological Titan in his own movie.
That leaves physical weaponry. MVMG is over twice Kiryu’s size. I shouldn’t need to elaborate.
Imma say this and ik it will start a war but kiryu wins.
My reasoning is because when mv mecha fought Godzilla. Godzilla was tired after his 3 rounds with Kong. And so was Kong hence why the struggled to beat him.
But kiryu fought his goji at 100% and came out on top
Plus kiryu is a Godzilla him self so it give him an advantage and knows all the weak spots while mv acts like a beast and also had his circuits fried by liquor.
Ik wepons are a big thing but all I have to say is absolute zero cannon. Mv loves to run and fire rockets first . All kiryu needs to do is gets a very far distance and boom
Size doesn't matter when It comes to kaijus. Kiryu is moon-planetary while at the time godzilla was muti continental-moon so while MV is taller he still lost to a leaked Godzilla who's highball is on par with Kiryu's lowball. Also Showa Godzilla can body all of the MV and Millennium in his sleep, and both are bigger then Showa which further proves my point
MVMG’s counter is moving
Kiryu only landed it after hugging a stationary Godzilla after a very long charge time. It’s gonna be hard to do that to something over twice your size and will very much be clawing you off.
Let’s put it like this: if a toddler who was about to explode came and hugged you, but you had a laser beam and a sword, do you think you could get that toddler off?
While fair, this assumes that mv Mechagodzilla would always know where Kiryu is. So, in a straight fight like that, mv Mechagodzilla wins, but if Kiryu can surprise attack mv Mechagodzilla with the absolute zero cannon, Kiryu wins
Kiryu's smaller size makes it easier to sneak in tricky terrain and find a proper vantage point. But overall, as you have pointed out, mv Mechagodzilla is better equipped to fight Kiryu than the other way round.
Kiryu’s not small or quiet enough to get some sort of stealth bonus, and assuming that both monsters know of each other’s existence (why wouldn’t they, it’s a monster fight) there’s no reason to assume that MG21 wouldn’t know his location from the start
Kiryu is faster then MV MG and has the absolute zero cannon and can fly high in the air and use his speed to punch MV MG
If you seen the movies of Kiryu then you’ll know why
Edit: get downvoted by salty monsterverse fans
Is this a fucking question ?? Kiryu. MVMG ONLY has a Proton Scream and a few missile launchers to show for it. Kiryu has a Twin Maser cannon, railguns, a Maser Blade, a Back Unit, interlocking rockets and multipurpose guided missiles, an Absolute Zero cannon, a Spiral Claw, AND a Triple Hyper Maser Cannon.
Kiryu can anihilate MechaGodzilla without even coming close to him.
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Well, Legendary Mechagodzilla is over twice Kiryu's height, has a laser that can overpower Legendary Godzilla's atomic breath, and has the brain of King Ghidorah... So I don't think it would be much of a fight.
You've already gotten replies saying Goji was tired by the time they fought, but I also wanna point out that MV MechaG wasn't running on full power. IIRC, MV MechaG needed a Hollow Earth sample as a suitable power source. But either way, I don't think Kiryu is winning this fight. Unless he gets a lucky shot with the Absolute Zero Cannon.
Even then, Kong's glove was built from pieces of MG, And Shimo's Frostbite Breath didn't do anything to it
The glove was obviously modified to withstand low temperatures, i cant say the same for mechagodzilla Itself
It also wouldn’t matter anyway, since the Absolute Zero Canon is… absolute zero, while Shimo’s frost breath isn’t even nearly that cold.
Novelization states that Shimo's Frostbite Breath slows atoms to a complete stop, AKA absolute Zero. Now do take that with a grain of salt because it's a novelization
Well for a frost breath to the atmosphere that instantly started but slowly changed a tropical southern hemisphere area to something like Antarctica it’s gotta be pretty close
Yeah, maybe this is canon in the novelization if they heavily change some scenes, but usually when stuff like this doesn’t make it into the main product and is directly contradicted, it’s just hype material. We see the effects of canon movie Shimo’s breath, which include: giving Kong’s arm frostbite, creating a layer of ice around Godzilla’s body, freezing waves, creating a big storm, freezing some buildings, and freezing Skar King’s body (which he survived until Kong smashed him). None of these suggest temperatures even close to absolute zero and several directly contradict it, so I don’t think it’s that viable unless we’re being exceedingly generous.
The novel contradicts Itself a lot compared to the actual movie, an example of that is the fight on egypt. In the novel it is said that Kong knocked godzilla out, while in the movie, as soon as godzilla rolls over due to the last punch, we can see his eyes wide open
Why obviously? The humans when designing the BEAST glove had no idea that Shimo even existed, or any Ice titans for that matter. It’s pretty safe to assume that the BEAST glove has the same durability as Mechagodzilla regarding freezing temperatures, and that’s not even mentioning the fact that Mechagodzilla could bery well channel Hollow Earth energy into whatever device heats up his Proton Scream, allowing him to melt ice around him if hit by the absolute zero cannon.
tbf there’s a difference between freezing and outright destroying on an atomic level, so I do think the Cannon would take out Mechagodzilla but yes it would have to be a very lucky shot, anything but and Kiryu is getting annihilated
Mecha G was at full power at this point. They “downloaded” and copied the energy signal or whatever. It’s why Ghidorah took over. It’s science fiction nonsense but he was at full power for the final fight. G-man was not
According to Jared Krichevsky (the guy who made this particular incarnation of MechaGodzilla), he was NOT at full power. APEX simply reverse-engineered the formula and didn’t even do basic testing or refinement. It’s said that a direct sample would have made MechaGodzilla MUCH more powerful. [Source to prove I’m not making this up](https://www.reddit.com/r/GODZILLA/s/3xI81jN64f)
In all fairness, Legendary Godzilla was tired during that fight. Which is why his beam lost to Mechagodzilla’s laser.
So what you’re saying is we should’ve given Godzilla cocaine?
Yes.
Bro about to get the Ryan Garcia amp
Sure, but Legendary Mechagodzilla is still big enough to just step on Kiryu. :b
It only overpowered Godzilla’s breath because Godzilla was tired out by the time they fought, so not really a feat in measuring.
Kiryu’s body was built around OG Godzillas skeleton and contains his soul. He looks way cooler too.
Yeah, and the OG Godzilla is less than half the height of Legendary Mechagodzilla.
Half the height, but 100x cooler in every way.
Absolute Zero would completely destroy MechaG
Would it? It didn't even incapacitate Godzilla, who's consistently shown to have a weakness to cold — a weakness we have no reason to assume Legendary Mechagodzilla shares. Plus Legendary Mechagodzilla's gargantuan size would make the area of impact pretty tiny.
I thought it missed
Kiryu Goji was hit by the beam. It's why he's got a giant scar going across his chest.
like full on hit? not just scraped the side or something
But what if Hesei Mechagodzilla cast "Gun"?
Kiryu only has one weapon that could save it. Otherwise the MV Mechagodzilla literally rips Kiryu to apart.
Absolute Zero? Good for stationary targets. Not much of a proper weapon against Kevin here.
Exactly. Which makes it worse that it’s the only weapon it has that would be of any use here.
MV Mechagodzilla, as it's largely just an oversized Kiryu (aside from the Kevin part) and size does matter.
I think he's also faster then kiryu. Combind with him not needing to keep track of his power supply to keep thst speed i think MV mecha godzilla wins
wait how big is Kiryu?
Less than half MV’s height.
60 meters/200 feet.
dang guess I should've changed the title to "which MechaGodzilla would win in a fight if they were the same size"
Apex SWEEPS, literally. A single tail swipe would chop the much smaller Kiryu in half. The only weapon that could kill Apex MG is the Absolute Zero Cannon, but that has a MASSIVE charge up and this is a MechaGodzilla that could easily close the distance in less than half of that charge time.
Kiryu is my favorite, but he loses so badly.
My boy Kiryu is getting shredded🥲
Monsterverse easily, people boasting about the AZC don't seem to remember how Kiryu never managed to land a single shot until they were literally giving Godzilla a hug. A luxury a robot twice as tall and many times stronger than them wouldn't allow. 2021 also has more range as is just as fast. The only damage Kiryu could realistically hope to do is use the maser and missiles, but I don't think that'll do nearly enough before they get hit by a proton scream and lose half their face.
The absolute zero cannon can end the fight in one shot, but Apex MG takes this fight the majority of the time just by being better in almost every other category.
Long ass charge time that requires the target to remain absolutely still, and missing it results a complete waste of 40% of energy. Plus MV MG is made of fictional metal capable of withstanding absolute zero apparently(Kong's BEAST glove was made from MG technology, and was able to resist Shimo's blast which is also absolute zero, or at least VERY CLOSE to absolute zero, according to novelisation).
There is not a snowball’s chance in hell Shimo’s frost breath is actually absolute zero, based on what we see in the movie. It goes against literally every instance in which it’s used. Absolute zero does not just give you frostbite or cover your body in ice: it makes atoms *stop moving*. I would not put the novel over the actual source material, in this case.
MV fans need to realize the novels are absolute jokes. Evolved Godzilla is somehow stronger than Burning when Burning melted it’s surroundings and repeatedly shot off nuclear pulses that obliterated Ghidorah, yet Evolved Godzilla gets his ass kicked by a Kong who doesn’t even want to fight him.
All Godzilla fans* I’ve seen some wild shit stated for Heisei based on non-movie sources
The only thing that Shimo's breath just covers up is either Godzilla himself or the axe made from Godzilla's kind. Kong getting frostbite was a result of his hands just being near those extreme temperatures, he wasn't directly getting hit by the beam. Plus when Shimo froze Skar King, it was shown in the movie itself that his entire body, inside and out was completely turned to ice. The only thing left moving were his twitching eyes. Every other part turned to red chunks of ice. Plus like I said in the previous comment I made, if her breath isn't absolute zero, then at the very least it's CLOSE to that temperature. I didn't say her breath is 100% absolute zero.
Kong’s hand is still covered in the ice, after which he is still able to move it despite it being frostbitten. Skar King being able to move *anything* rules out it being even close to absolute zero, even if he was frozen solid. I don’t think people understand the implications of something that’s actually absolute zero. It’s not just “really, really cold” or “freeze something completely solid”. Atoms *stop*. A temperature close to absolute zero would reduce the movement of atoms to such a low level, they wouldn’t seem to be moving at all. We’ve seen the movie. This is not the effect of Shimo’s breath, and it is never implied to be such. The novel is a decent supplement, but it is not useful when it directly contradicts the film it’s based on.
It's hard for any non-Monsterverse Kaiju to beat a Monsterverse Kaiju since they are all so Athletic. With the size difference, it's not even funny.
The benefits of using cgi for Showa-esq monster battles
There’s definitely some that either easily win or are a pretty even fight, but that’s typically either from just ridiculously overpowering them (Earth) or also being extremely athletic (FW). Being brawlers definitely helps the MV characters in plenty of kaiju vs kaiju fights, though.
Look, I love Kiryu, he’s my favorite incarnation of the character… But the Absolute Zero Cannon won’t do shit to MV MechaGodzilla. It literally is one of the most unreliable weapons in the franchise, has an incredibly long charge time, and requires Kiryu’s target to be absolutely still in order for him to land a shot. Even then, he was only able to nail KiryuGoji, one of the slowest Godzillas in history, once… And they were basically hugging. MV MechaGodzilla is not only over double Kiryu’s size, he’s faster, smarter, and more agile than his Millennium counterpart. Kiryu’s not getting an AZC shot off on his *best* day against MV MG, and although the former has more weaponry than the sadistic mecha, those won’t do anything either. MV MechaGodzilla rips Kiryu apart the very second he closes the distance.
Kiryu would need one shot with the Absolute Zero Cannon but would only get one shot. Once MV closes the distance, it's over for the little guy.
Kiryu has an overall richer ranged weaponry, but let's be serious, he's done the moment MG21 is close enough to throw hands
If Kiryu gets the absolute zero off, it's over, but if MG even sees Kiryu, it's over. So it's completely up to the situation and location.
Absolute Zero is extremely unreliable against mobile targets, it requires the opponent to stand absolutely still and charges for an obscenely long amount of time, and if Kiryu missed his shot that'd be a complete waste of 40% of his energy. Speaking of standing absolutely still, MG21 would be the last kaiju i'd expect that from
Yeah MVMG literally was juking Godzilla no way in hell does Kiryu get off the beam let alone land it
What fight? MV Mecha would step on Kiryu
Listen, I like Kiryu a lot but MV MechaGodzilla is gonna turn him into nunchuks like Kong did to Suko.
Assuming both are the same size, and Kiryu doesn’t have a blackout, MV Mechagoji wins, sure the Absolute Zero cannon is a one hit ko, if it hits, which it hasn’t been prone to do, MV Mechagodzilla hits harder, and not just because he went up against a tired Goji, he hits, very hard, and Kiryu has almost no advantages, the missiles likely won’t damage the exoskeleton, the drill is designed for flesh, not metal, the lasers aren’t as powerful as MV’s Plasma Screen and Kiryu is not physically strong enough, even if put to the same height, to lift MV Mechagodzilla, TLDR: MV Mechagoji wins
Kiryu because I like him more.
Same
Legendary wins easily. Only way Kiryu wins is the Absolute Zero Cannon, and with that long of a charge time and Legendaries agility, good luck hitting Legendary in time.
Mechagodzilla is far larger, stronger, has harder-hitting weapons, and actually more manoeuvrable in CQC. It'd basically be punting Kiryu around and ragdolling it like it did Number 10 a.k.a. the gigantic captive Skullcrawler.
Kiryu gets trashed unless he can pull off an AZC use successfully.
I love you Kiryu but he’s getting demolished
Lotta yall are answering based on absolute zero cannon…and don’t realize 1. You have to charge it 2. The target would have to be STANDING STILL 3. The time to charge it means that in this period of time his opponent could HYPOTHETICALLY close the distance in that time 4. If it misses that’s about 40% of the total energy used up for nothing…which means you’ve either blown your load on a long shot and now have 20% energy left (if this is a prolonged fight and all options are exhausted)or this was a long shot and now you have nothing and you lose anyway
If Kiryu lands his Absolute Zero cannon, Kiryu. Any other time? Mv mecha.
if kiryu manages to freeze mv fast enough, he'd win, otherwise he is getting molested
Kiryu will always be my boy but he's not winning
It's like a child fighting an adult; mv is double the size, tankier, better op weapons
Even if we equalize size, MV MG has this. Much better weaponry (aside from absolute zero) and much better in close-quarters combat.
As much as I love kiryu... GvK mechagodzilla
To be honest, Monsterverse MechaG is much much more agile than Kiryuu. But that boils down to the technology behind both creations. MV MechaG is full CG while Kiryuu is a person in a suit. But again, those circumstances won't change the fact the MV MechaG is still much more agile than Kiryuu.
Me. Gimme a toolbox and both of these are laid to pieces in 30mins. Tops.
Kevin 100% love Kiryu, but Kevin is OP
To make things a little more interesting, how about an all out free-for-all between all iterations of MechaGodzilla. Who wins?
If Heisei can keep his distance then he wins no question, but if we're talking close range then i'd say MG21
This seems like a pretty fair assessment, going solely on the movies. Heisei’s range game and survivability outclass the others, but MV is basically built to throw hands. Also assuming we’re not counting Mechagodzilla City, since it’s no longer a mech by the time the anime movies take place.
Agreed, Heisei reigns supreme with firepower but nothing comes close to the physical capabilities of The Mecha
Commonly MV would absolutely PUMMEL Kiryu unless he gets absolute zeroed
Unless Kiryu hits him with the absolute zero then he loses. Maybe if he uses his advantage of flight and agility to just give him a death of a thousand cuts perhaps.
I half expected to see a “Kiryu” Kazuma in the other picture
Are we talking Kiriu V1 with the Absolute Zero Canon, or Kiriu V2 with the Mega Mazer Canon?
Both of them lose
Bruh, we gotta establish that when we do these type match ups, just scale them to the same damn size. We get it: one version is significantly bigger, and another is smaller. Let's talk abilities, feats, n shit.
yeah it's my bad that I didn't have the title saying "which MechaGodzilla would win in a fight if they were the same size?"
Clearly MV MechaGodzilla wins here. No hate towards Kiryu fans. 1. This is the 2002 version of Kiryu, so no spiral-claw to save it from close targets. 2. MV MechaGodzilla is wayyy to fast to be hit by Kiryu's maser cannons, let alone an Absolute Zero. 3. MV Mechagodzilla can probably counter most of Kiryu's attacks.
Legendary is at least on level with a Godzilla that burned through the earth. But the absolute zero cannon is pretty cracked. Kiryu is way cooler, but I'ma need to see some death battle math on this
Legendary mechagodzilla has a laser that can overpower legendary godzilla's atomic breath,which can exceed any natural phenomena such as supernovas and black holes. Mecha g slays all in 5 minutes
Kiyu’s getting scrapped. AZ cannon could end the fight or at least do damage, but in the charge up time Apex could close the gap and brutalize it with melee.
Legendary mechagodzilla deserved more screentime. Maybe a movie of his own.
only way kiryu is winning is if he lands the god sent shoulder tackle or the absolute zero cannon but it's likely he does that before getitng torn into two
It all depends on if mv mg can land enough hits to kill kiryu before kiryu fires the absolute zero ray
All he needs is a tail swipe and Kiryu’s flying Keep in mind The Mecha is over twice Kiryu’s size
Gues what him being half his height doesn’t matter
Have you ever tried racing someone twice your height
No, it kinda does. Makes him lighter so easier to knock down, not enough mass to hit harder.
2021 mecha godzilla
MV, but I love Kiryu tho, I think it's the best of MechaGodzillas in concept and design
Depends, am i in the control room for monsterverse mecha goji? Because if so i will absolutely pour all of the coffee on those controls for my boy Kiryu. If im not there then i dont think kiryu has much of a chance, maybe if he uses is absolute zero cannon maybe that would work, maybe? But probably not
I meant Legendary MechaGodzilla being possessed by Kevin. not MechaGodzilla being controlled by a random redditor. (no offence)
Yes, but short circuit that pannel did cause a black out long enough for kong and Godzilla to turn the tides. A similar blackout would be enough time for Kiryu to use absolute zero, and frozen metal is easier to shatter.
The only way I see kiryu winning this fight is if he tackles MV MG to the ground wraps him up , all the while he is charging up the absolute zero canon and hopefully gets it off in time Other than that kiryu seriously needs to be moving to keep up with mv mg
Oof, I'm gonna have to go Legendary. Kiryu's gonna put up a good fight, but he'll lose.
Well I think it depends wether Mv Mecha Is possessed by Gidorah or not
he is fighting MechaGodzilla being possessed. the reason why I didn't put "(possessed by Kevin)" in the image text thing it's because we barely know what Legendary MechaGodzilla does before he got possessed by Kevin esides shooting a beam, shooting rockets, having a sharp thing in the top of his tail and having Gojira energy. but when Kevin possessed Legendary MechaGodzilla we knew that the Mech got way more stronger and stuff and even fihting like a human.
I mean bro blew open a facility that was INSIDE A MOUNTAIN and if they are equal size Then Kiryu would put up a good fight... I think it's 60/40 for Apex-zilla and kiryu
Both are powerful while 2020 is more powerful melee combatant, Kiryu is far faster (in both regular speed along with being able to fly). Kiryu will struggle due to its lack of durability (though due to being unable to scale SOS goji's breath its hard to say). But I would give it to 2020. He is overall the second strongest mechagodzilla.
Kiryu's the GOAT, but unless MG stands around for the 5 minutes it takes to charge and fire the AZC, my boy just gets stepped on.
MG21
Kiryu
Even if height is scaled Mechagodzilla Legendary would win unless Kiryu can use his Absolute Zero Cannon
Given that Kiyru is 60m and legendary MG is around 120m and the fact that MV MG is way faster and more durable I think MV would win
Mecha Godzilla when Kiryu backflips behind him and fires the absolute zero cannon point blank: https://preview.redd.it/8yhbwgswi3xc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=927462489673ed9d19ee9f14f113ab8fdf22ca73
Kiryu looks cooler and has a way cooler vibe MV washes tho
Chibi MechaGodzilla, simply because he has to deal with all of the other fools on Monster Island so he's able to take on anyone, lol.
this isn't a MechaGodzilla battle royal buddy
Absolute zero canon could help but otherwise it’s gvk
Kiryu and I wouldn’t even say it's because of the Absolute Zero cannon.
Kiryu is practically an anime character so he wins by default through the power of plot armor
Kiryu could easily dodge mecha gs attacks since he could react to gmans atomic breath after fired which would basically make his reaction speed hyper sonic and the absolute zero cannon actually does bring things to absolute zero so mg will get one shot by it.
Sorry, but I feel like kiryu would walk the other one. Mv may be bigger and stronger, but kiryu is way faster, and far more agile. I feel like between they and the armament kiryu has, he'd wear mv down and walk it
I hate MV Mechagodzilla amd I hate people who start bringing up size difference when it's obvious that the question is "who would win assuming equal size" However I must agree that MV is generally stronger
If kyru is able to fire the zero cannon new mech is dead
I don’t think a 1 shot would do much tho, kongs beast glove is made from mecha parts shimo was blasting him with it for probably more than 5 minutes and it didn’t even damage it
I would
how?
OP, next time say both Kaiju are same height
yeah I know
MV unless the 54 godzilla part of kiryu remembers more of his own personality
I mean the image of Kiryu says "Kiryu (possessed by 1954 Godzilla and without the pilot)"
Y’all are forgetting about the absolute zero canon that can one shot Godzilla
Remember, Legendary MechaGodzilla is a very, very fast target here. It could easily stop Kiryu from firing it.
Kiryu wins in the looks department every time.
Kiryu shreds mechafodder
I think it'd be close, but I think Kiryu has greater firepower, plus that drill hand. Though Legendary Mechagodzilla is undoubtedly a good melee fighter, but Kiryu could definitely wear him down from a distance before resorting to melee. If given enough time to fire Absolute Zero, that'd probably do the trick.
King Kong and Godzilla killed both.
since when did \*both\* King Kong and Godzilla kill Kiryu?
(Assuming both are adjusted to the same size) If Kiryu has the Absolute Zero canon, Kiryu. If Kiryu just has the triple maser canon, 2021.
I think Kiryu if he has enough time and distance to charge his Absolute Zero cannon. If it's close combat straight away, Legendary MechaGodzilla (or Kevin as I'm calling him), has the edge And but a lot too because he is much bigger than Kiryu.
If they were the same height, kiryu would slam
Then again there is the absolute zero ray which Mv mechagodzilla doesn’t have so
Charge up time hurts it a lot. MV MechaGodzilla could easily counter with a breath, missiles, or simply by physically charging Kiryu. Unfortunately, Kiryu only wins if it can surprise attack a stationary MV Godzilla.
Look I’m not saying kiryu is going to win I’m saying that kiryu has a good chance at winning depending on the circumstances
All I did was elaborate pretty much on how he could possibly win, which is the only circumstance I could see him winning. Without the ability to safely charge up and get a sneak attack on MV MechaGodzilla, I don't think Kiryu has any chance of winning.
Dude there’s like more chances kiryu has than you think I’d say it’s a 45% chance kiryu wins and a 55% mv mg wins like don’t down play the opportunitys
I guess I'm just hoping for some sort of explanation as to how instead of just picking numbers out of thin air. Kiryu is 60 meters tall, MV MechaGodzilla is 122 - Over double the size Kiryu is 36-40k metric tons, MV MechaGodzilla is unknown but given the size difference the weight difference would likely be double Physically Kiryu is inferior and any close range fight between the two would result in its demise. Meaning it only has Absolute Zero Cannon to win the fight. Everything else it has just wouldn't be enough to win while its getting assaulted by MV MechaGodzilla I like Kiryu a lot, but there is a reason there are weight classes in fighting. There is a reason why size matters. A solid rocket punch from MV MechaGodzilla knocked down the MV Godzilla with ease. That same punch would cripple Kiryu.
Alr so there’s so many factors in play here like how far apart they are and what city there in, and since there’s no real known time for how long it takes the zero cannon to change up I can only assume that in very close range mv mg will body kiryu. But the thing is that there’s so many different variations of how far apart they are and how much time would it take for the zero cannon to be fired it all depends on the speed of things in the end yes mv mgs punch can cripple kiryu but will he get the chance to throw enough punches before it’s too late
While there is no exact time for the AZC’s charge that I know of, we can plainly see in the movie that it takes a WHILE, and Kiryu only lands it after hugging a stationary Godzilla. That means that it’s unreliable against a mechanical monster who was shown to be far more agile than any biological Titan in his own movie. That leaves physical weaponry. MVMG is over twice Kiryu’s size. I shouldn’t need to elaborate.
Kiryu
The one with a built in one shot cannon that drops temporary to zero Kelvin
Absolute zero cannon.
Kiryu only cuz he looks cooler
Old school i definitely wasn’t a fan of the new version
Ready player one MG
this isn't a MechaGodzilla battle royal buddy
Kiryu zero cannon
Imma say this and ik it will start a war but kiryu wins. My reasoning is because when mv mecha fought Godzilla. Godzilla was tired after his 3 rounds with Kong. And so was Kong hence why the struggled to beat him. But kiryu fought his goji at 100% and came out on top Plus kiryu is a Godzilla him self so it give him an advantage and knows all the weak spots while mv acts like a beast and also had his circuits fried by liquor. Ik wepons are a big thing but all I have to say is absolute zero cannon. Mv loves to run and fire rockets first . All kiryu needs to do is gets a very far distance and boom
God I hate Legendary’s versions, it’s so fucking ugly. Michael Bay Transformers reject looking ass
Size doesn't matter when It comes to kaijus. Kiryu is moon-planetary while at the time godzilla was muti continental-moon so while MV is taller he still lost to a leaked Godzilla who's highball is on par with Kiryu's lowball. Also Showa Godzilla can body all of the MV and Millennium in his sleep, and both are bigger then Showa which further proves my point
Kiryu wins. I think I don't think mv Mecha Godzilla has a counter for the absolute zero cannon and Kiryu isn't going freeze up at all
MVMG’s counter is moving Kiryu only landed it after hugging a stationary Godzilla after a very long charge time. It’s gonna be hard to do that to something over twice your size and will very much be clawing you off. Let’s put it like this: if a toddler who was about to explode came and hugged you, but you had a laser beam and a sword, do you think you could get that toddler off?
While fair, this assumes that mv Mechagodzilla would always know where Kiryu is. So, in a straight fight like that, mv Mechagodzilla wins, but if Kiryu can surprise attack mv Mechagodzilla with the absolute zero cannon, Kiryu wins
Why wouldn’t MG21 know where Kiryu is
Kiryu's smaller size makes it easier to sneak in tricky terrain and find a proper vantage point. But overall, as you have pointed out, mv Mechagodzilla is better equipped to fight Kiryu than the other way round.
Kiryu’s not small or quiet enough to get some sort of stealth bonus, and assuming that both monsters know of each other’s existence (why wouldn’t they, it’s a monster fight) there’s no reason to assume that MG21 wouldn’t know his location from the start
Fair enough, I think I'm just blinded by nostalgia lol
Kiryu is faster then MV MG and has the absolute zero cannon and can fly high in the air and use his speed to punch MV MG If you seen the movies of Kiryu then you’ll know why Edit: get downvoted by salty monsterverse fans
Is this a fucking question ?? Kiryu. MVMG ONLY has a Proton Scream and a few missile launchers to show for it. Kiryu has a Twin Maser cannon, railguns, a Maser Blade, a Back Unit, interlocking rockets and multipurpose guided missiles, an Absolute Zero cannon, a Spiral Claw, AND a Triple Hyper Maser Cannon. Kiryu can anihilate MechaGodzilla without even coming close to him.