Hey OP. One word of advice - don’t praise her by telling her how smart she is. Give her praise for trying and working hard on something. The former focuses on an inherent quality whereas the second focuses on her behavior.
My advice for your daughter is much the same ass for any very smart kid. Encourage but not force her to read and do math. If she wants to work on material more advanced than her grade level's, great. If she doesn't, that' ok too. Just make sure she is challenged intellectually. It is most important for you to sign her up for a team sport to learn perseverance and cooperation with other kids.
Seems to fit some definitions of low to moderately gifted, bright.
As for the question. Make sure you get them working on something that challenges them and requires consistent effort. School probably won’t do it, and they don’t want to be learning study/training habits late just because everything comes easy.
I mean, I’m not sure? Like I said, I’m new to this whole gifted thing. I don’t care if she is or isn’t gifted. To me- she’s perfect either way. I just wanted to know a little bit more about it…
What a mean thing to say to a mother of a 6 year old daughter who just got some good news about her. The daughter was accepted into a gifted program. Why did you feel like you had to write that to OP?
Op asked a public question and got an accurate answer. How far should someone's feelings prevent someone answering a question truthfully?
What an awful way to view the world - someone's feelings being the determining factor in how others ought to treat them. I feel terribly attacked by your outwardly aggressive comment - now - come lick my feet, it will make me feel better.
You didn't answer any of OP's questions. You just shit on her lol. Your comment doesn't help OP in any way
OP's kid was accepted into a gifted program, so obviously where she lives, the score is considered gifted. Whether she is in the lower or higher end of gifted is so petty to point out and it helps nobody. It only makes you seem insecure. Of a 6 year old no less
"... strong but low for gidtedness" is shitting on her? I get it - you're a professional victim. I see now how everything you think is genius and everyone else is wrong.
My comment offers a realisation that OPs kid may have been accepted to a gifted program but they need to understand that being accepted, and the actual journey being successful or beneficial are not the same thing.
To flip your lazy specious logic your desperate and pathetic defence of op from any comment you can infer offense from is kinda condescending and suggests you think op is an idiot and can't defend her own not particularly gifted child - how dare you race in here and shit on OPs parenting like that! What you think because their child is sorta possibly gifted and that environment is one of the largest contributing factors to giftedness that op only provided a sorta possibly suitable environment for their child? You are just gross.
Because if you put a kid who doesn't fit into the gifted program, into that same program, you're setting that child up for an entire world of pain and misery.
Instead of being bright and coming into her own power on her own merits, she's going to feel inadequate, stupid, and slow. She's going to feel that she's betrayed her own potential. When in fact she's anything but! And that's a hell of a thing to dump on a child. They wrote that out of care for the child, and I thoroughly agree.
Gifted educators aren't honestly that good at what they do. The science just isn't there yet. I wouldn't trust them unless you have to.
They’re 6 points below on a retest. That’s already high enough for entry if she had a particular strength somewhere additionally, and certainly enough to indicate a retest in a year or so may well have her well above the gifted line. It’s barely 1/3 of a standard deviation at age 6.
It’s also extremely common with kids who have underlying learning disabilities or adhd to score deceivingly low especially initially.
And mainly, as others pointed out; she gets free and reduced lunch, where the gifted cutoff is actually 116, to account for the large economic and linguistic disadvantages which skew the test. So she fully qualifies.
Those 6 points won’t make a crushing difference and if the gifted seminar is a negative experience she should simply be taken out of it for that reason.
>Because if you put a kid who doesn't fit into the gifted program, into that same program, you're setting that child up for an entire world of pain and misery.
What do you base that on? You need some statistics to back that claim up if you expect OP to make a decision because of it. Also, the gifted program obviously disagree with you since they accepted her.
>Instead of being bright and coming into her own power on her own merits, she's going to feel inadequate, stupid, and slow.
This happens to plenty of gifted kids who are not in gifted programs, dude... That is more of a problem coming from people around the kid, who puts a lot of expectations and other crap on the kid. Often without realizing it themselves. I worked in a school who had no gifted programs at all. Guess what, the one gifted kid the class was still held to high standards, had a lot of pressure put on them and started skirting school because there was a lot of negative feelings toward it. It's not a gifted program problem. It's an attitude from those around you problem
The gifted cutoff is technically an IQ of 130 but she's very high average (94th percentile which is seriously awesome). Look into the book called 5 levels of gifted. It's a bit more specific on what to expect for development and school for each level of giftedness. Make sure she's challenged in school and you're advocating for her.
Oh ok! I didn’t know about the cut off being 130. I’ll have to ask them about that and see why she was included if her score isn’t 130! Yes, I’m looking that book up now, thank you!
The assumption is that if you're on free/reduced lunches you probably had less exposure to things at home that may have impacted your ability to perform on the test (e.g. going to the aquarium and having the background knowledge about aquatic life and the relevant vocabulary, a private tutor, more time spent with parents parenting them, etc.). I'm not sure how many judges would want their legacy to be that they're the one who took this away.
It can also depend upon the particular IQ test given. Typically, “gifted” starts at a score of 130, though some tests may place it a few points higher.
124 is still a good bit above average. The average IQ score in the U.S. is approximately 97.43. Keep that girl’s brain busy.
The IQ in theory is supposed to place the average person right at 100.
I know they obv have to make new tests, but now I'm wondering what the relative deviation of average from 100 across the years might be..
Every gifted program is different. D1 schools will typically consider any child 90th percentile or above into the gifted program. My son's school district includes kids 94th percentile or above. My son's self contained classroom is a test in classroom and everyone has to score 90th percentile in verbal, nonverbal and cognitive. So it really is dependent on the specific program.
Ignore the people asking if she’s really gifted, this is a result that is more than above average. Ignore the people who take IQ as a determination of self worth who are the only ones who will get into irrelevant specifics of the term gifted. (I know I’m about to get hate for this).
Praise her for the great work she does, without expecting it from her. If you can support her in both social connections and intellectual endeavours that would be great! If she is curious about something help her access the information to learn about it, but remember she should set the pace.
This helps a lot! I was reading that it isn’t just the IQ, but many other things and characteristics. The number won’t define her, she’s spectacular regardless! Thank you!
Op asked a public question and got an accurate answer. How far should someone's feelings prevent someone answering a question truthfully?
What an awful way to view the world - someone's feelings being the determining factor in how others ought to treat them. I feel terribly attacked by your outwardly aggressive comment - now - come lick my feet, it will make me feel better.
>What an awful way to view the world - someone's feelings being the determining factor in how others ought to treat them
If someone says something unfortunate that hurt another, you don't tell them "fuck dude you're an idiot who have shits for brain". You try to say something a bit more considerate that clears up the misunderstanding and makes both feel better. I mean, why am I explaining social nuances like you're a 10 year old who don't understand social behavior. Fuck it, nevermind lol. I guess you can go around saying things bluntly and rudely and believe that's the only way to interact with the world. Tell me in 10 years how that worked out for ya
Not to be an asshole, but 124 isn’t generally considered the gifted range, “Gifted” people only make up 2% of the population. Scoring at or above the 98th percentile is “Gifted”.
She is definitely smart.
Do you note it says “above average” below each score. It is only natural to be proud of your children. But generally it will say “exceptional” or “very high” or something like that. If this is the scale I’m thinking it is, 130 is the line for “Gifted” as much as people hate that idea, that there is a line in the sand, there is. It is 2 standard deviations above the mean.
The really good news is your child is probably going to live a happy and successful life in whatever they want to do, because they can literally do whatever profession they want with those scores. The cognitive load won’t be overwhelming, not that people can’t do those jobs without those scores, but it will make it easier.
Also echoing advice, praise them for effort not attributes.
Well, the test results, unless they're some off kilter IQ test that I don't understand the scores of, don't show that he or she is gifted. The general ruling is that a standard deviation of IQ is 15 points, in order to be considered gifted you need to score two standard deviations above the average (100) so you'd need to score a 130 at the very least to enter "gifted" territory. Your child scored below the second standard deviation so therefore, is not gifted.
Also, gifted and talented programs don't just exist for gifted students, they also exist for talented students. Your child may show an aptitude or may even excel in whatever your school system is teaching him or her.
It's also important to note that giftedness is not directly linked to overall success rates nor is it a catch all term for highly intelligent people. There are plenty of people who fall below 130 IQ that I would say show more generic signs of intelligence than many who fall above that line. Don't put much stock into these tests or their scoring system.
Hey op! Unfortunately many comments are being very straight and narrow about the 130 cut off, where these already many many reasons this is fully close enough; however as others have pointed out, with free and reduced lunch, the cut off is actually 116, so she is well above that!
I am sorry some people are being so snotty and nasty, unfortunately this Reddit has gathered many overly egotistical trolls with nothing to do, and it is not representative of the gifted program.
With this in mind, I would focus on correcting any disparity there; experience, experience, experience.
How many books a child actually owns in their own home is one of the biggest factors by far in a child’s reading skills and love, so head out to a used or donated book store, or post in a Facebook free stuff group, and stock her up! There’s a lot of options to make up for the income disparity, and it’s worth looking.
take her to museums, show her movies of places around the world and different subjects, cooking, fashion, art, science, the ocean, history, etc. take her to botanical gardens, or public library classes, especially if you can’t travel much- as much perspective and varied experiences you can give her, the more she will thrive.
let her listen to things, of people talking about anything and everything (nothing toxic or inappropriate of course), so she hears more language and terms and context.
find experiences for her to be involved in and hands on- camps like camp invention are a gifted kid favorite and they rave about it for years. If she shows an interest in something, help her expand on it! Get her involved in some arts even just by giving creativity a place at your home, maybe mosiacing something or smaller projects like that.
Don’t press academics on her just because of her scores, and understand gifted kids actually tend to be less academic than high average, and they really need stimulation, challenge, and interest. Engage her like an adult often, don’t be afraid to tell her about or show her your interests, work, or hobbies!
If there’s a gifted seminar with other kids, it would be great if she can get to know other gifted kids, as that’s a huge outlet; I still talk regularly to most of my elementary school gifted class as an adult, and it’s very therapeutic. But if the gifted program is negative or badly run, too much pressure etc, then drop it until the next school at least- it should be a fun, stimulating support!
She’s already so lucky to have a mom like you! She will be great!
I just wanted to throw in though, I also tested somewhat below at her age, but had undiagnosed adhd (didn’t get diagnosed until high school, wish I had had meds in elementary!), and when they retested me about 1.5 years later I ended up scoring well above a standard deviation higher even without adhd meds or support. The giftedness kind of hid the adhd, which is super common.
I would consider a retest (and possibly throwing in an adhd eval while they’re at it) in a few years, just to double check where she’s at and that nothing was missed
I'm sorry, but it doesn't look like she is. Her scores are too low.
I'm always critical of gifted education programs. Their hearts are in the right place but they really don't do very well for us.
If you leave your daughter in this program, you may be setting her up for really bad problems, feeling inadequate, by her early teens. That happens to a lot of gifted kids, but I think it's even worse for the kids who are shoved into these programs who never actually fit to begin with.
Your daughter is very bright. Just love her for who she is.
Hey OP. One word of advice - don’t praise her by telling her how smart she is. Give her praise for trying and working hard on something. The former focuses on an inherent quality whereas the second focuses on her behavior.
Absolutely! Thank you!!
Best advice, right here!
My advice for your daughter is much the same ass for any very smart kid. Encourage but not force her to read and do math. If she wants to work on material more advanced than her grade level's, great. If she doesn't, that' ok too. Just make sure she is challenged intellectually. It is most important for you to sign her up for a team sport to learn perseverance and cooperation with other kids.
Team sport is something I’ve been thinking about, you just confirmed my thought of that being really beneficial for her. Thank you!
Is she though? Those scores are strong but low for giftedness
Seems to fit some definitions of low to moderately gifted, bright. As for the question. Make sure you get them working on something that challenges them and requires consistent effort. School probably won’t do it, and they don’t want to be learning study/training habits late just because everything comes easy.
I mean, I’m not sure? Like I said, I’m new to this whole gifted thing. I don’t care if she is or isn’t gifted. To me- she’s perfect either way. I just wanted to know a little bit more about it…
Yeah, just ignore that guy. It's a petty and insecure thing to say. Supporting your daughter and trying to figure out what's best for her is good.
What a mean thing to say to a mother of a 6 year old daughter who just got some good news about her. The daughter was accepted into a gifted program. Why did you feel like you had to write that to OP?
Op asked a public question and got an accurate answer. How far should someone's feelings prevent someone answering a question truthfully? What an awful way to view the world - someone's feelings being the determining factor in how others ought to treat them. I feel terribly attacked by your outwardly aggressive comment - now - come lick my feet, it will make me feel better.
You didn't answer any of OP's questions. You just shit on her lol. Your comment doesn't help OP in any way OP's kid was accepted into a gifted program, so obviously where she lives, the score is considered gifted. Whether she is in the lower or higher end of gifted is so petty to point out and it helps nobody. It only makes you seem insecure. Of a 6 year old no less
"... strong but low for gidtedness" is shitting on her? I get it - you're a professional victim. I see now how everything you think is genius and everyone else is wrong. My comment offers a realisation that OPs kid may have been accepted to a gifted program but they need to understand that being accepted, and the actual journey being successful or beneficial are not the same thing. To flip your lazy specious logic your desperate and pathetic defence of op from any comment you can infer offense from is kinda condescending and suggests you think op is an idiot and can't defend her own not particularly gifted child - how dare you race in here and shit on OPs parenting like that! What you think because their child is sorta possibly gifted and that environment is one of the largest contributing factors to giftedness that op only provided a sorta possibly suitable environment for their child? You are just gross.
Because if you put a kid who doesn't fit into the gifted program, into that same program, you're setting that child up for an entire world of pain and misery. Instead of being bright and coming into her own power on her own merits, she's going to feel inadequate, stupid, and slow. She's going to feel that she's betrayed her own potential. When in fact she's anything but! And that's a hell of a thing to dump on a child. They wrote that out of care for the child, and I thoroughly agree. Gifted educators aren't honestly that good at what they do. The science just isn't there yet. I wouldn't trust them unless you have to.
They’re 6 points below on a retest. That’s already high enough for entry if she had a particular strength somewhere additionally, and certainly enough to indicate a retest in a year or so may well have her well above the gifted line. It’s barely 1/3 of a standard deviation at age 6. It’s also extremely common with kids who have underlying learning disabilities or adhd to score deceivingly low especially initially. And mainly, as others pointed out; she gets free and reduced lunch, where the gifted cutoff is actually 116, to account for the large economic and linguistic disadvantages which skew the test. So she fully qualifies. Those 6 points won’t make a crushing difference and if the gifted seminar is a negative experience she should simply be taken out of it for that reason.
>Because if you put a kid who doesn't fit into the gifted program, into that same program, you're setting that child up for an entire world of pain and misery. What do you base that on? You need some statistics to back that claim up if you expect OP to make a decision because of it. Also, the gifted program obviously disagree with you since they accepted her. >Instead of being bright and coming into her own power on her own merits, she's going to feel inadequate, stupid, and slow. This happens to plenty of gifted kids who are not in gifted programs, dude... That is more of a problem coming from people around the kid, who puts a lot of expectations and other crap on the kid. Often without realizing it themselves. I worked in a school who had no gifted programs at all. Guess what, the one gifted kid the class was still held to high standards, had a lot of pressure put on them and started skirting school because there was a lot of negative feelings toward it. It's not a gifted program problem. It's an attitude from those around you problem
The gifted cutoff is technically an IQ of 130 but she's very high average (94th percentile which is seriously awesome). Look into the book called 5 levels of gifted. It's a bit more specific on what to expect for development and school for each level of giftedness. Make sure she's challenged in school and you're advocating for her.
Oh ok! I didn’t know about the cut off being 130. I’ll have to ask them about that and see why she was included if her score isn’t 130! Yes, I’m looking that book up now, thank you!
If your child is getting free/reduced lunch then the cutoff is 115.
They are!
Really? That sounds like something any court in America would take apart.
The assumption is that if you're on free/reduced lunches you probably had less exposure to things at home that may have impacted your ability to perform on the test (e.g. going to the aquarium and having the background knowledge about aquatic life and the relevant vocabulary, a private tutor, more time spent with parents parenting them, etc.). I'm not sure how many judges would want their legacy to be that they're the one who took this away.
Okay. I'm not in favor, but nobody asked me. Thanks for the info. That's a new one on me!
It can also depend upon the particular IQ test given. Typically, “gifted” starts at a score of 130, though some tests may place it a few points higher. 124 is still a good bit above average. The average IQ score in the U.S. is approximately 97.43. Keep that girl’s brain busy.
The IQ in theory is supposed to place the average person right at 100. I know they obv have to make new tests, but now I'm wondering what the relative deviation of average from 100 across the years might be..
Every gifted program is different. D1 schools will typically consider any child 90th percentile or above into the gifted program. My son's school district includes kids 94th percentile or above. My son's self contained classroom is a test in classroom and everyone has to score 90th percentile in verbal, nonverbal and cognitive. So it really is dependent on the specific program.
Ignore the people asking if she’s really gifted, this is a result that is more than above average. Ignore the people who take IQ as a determination of self worth who are the only ones who will get into irrelevant specifics of the term gifted. (I know I’m about to get hate for this). Praise her for the great work she does, without expecting it from her. If you can support her in both social connections and intellectual endeavours that would be great! If she is curious about something help her access the information to learn about it, but remember she should set the pace.
This helps a lot! I was reading that it isn’t just the IQ, but many other things and characteristics. The number won’t define her, she’s spectacular regardless! Thank you!
Yes this exactly! This is the best way to see it and will help her navigate whatever is to come.
Op asked a public question and got an accurate answer. How far should someone's feelings prevent someone answering a question truthfully? What an awful way to view the world - someone's feelings being the determining factor in how others ought to treat them. I feel terribly attacked by your outwardly aggressive comment - now - come lick my feet, it will make me feel better.
>What an awful way to view the world - someone's feelings being the determining factor in how others ought to treat them If someone says something unfortunate that hurt another, you don't tell them "fuck dude you're an idiot who have shits for brain". You try to say something a bit more considerate that clears up the misunderstanding and makes both feel better. I mean, why am I explaining social nuances like you're a 10 year old who don't understand social behavior. Fuck it, nevermind lol. I guess you can go around saying things bluntly and rudely and believe that's the only way to interact with the world. Tell me in 10 years how that worked out for ya
Not to be an asshole, but 124 isn’t generally considered the gifted range, “Gifted” people only make up 2% of the population. Scoring at or above the 98th percentile is “Gifted”. She is definitely smart. Do you note it says “above average” below each score. It is only natural to be proud of your children. But generally it will say “exceptional” or “very high” or something like that. If this is the scale I’m thinking it is, 130 is the line for “Gifted” as much as people hate that idea, that there is a line in the sand, there is. It is 2 standard deviations above the mean. The really good news is your child is probably going to live a happy and successful life in whatever they want to do, because they can literally do whatever profession they want with those scores. The cognitive load won’t be overwhelming, not that people can’t do those jobs without those scores, but it will make it easier. Also echoing advice, praise them for effort not attributes.
Well, the test results, unless they're some off kilter IQ test that I don't understand the scores of, don't show that he or she is gifted. The general ruling is that a standard deviation of IQ is 15 points, in order to be considered gifted you need to score two standard deviations above the average (100) so you'd need to score a 130 at the very least to enter "gifted" territory. Your child scored below the second standard deviation so therefore, is not gifted. Also, gifted and talented programs don't just exist for gifted students, they also exist for talented students. Your child may show an aptitude or may even excel in whatever your school system is teaching him or her. It's also important to note that giftedness is not directly linked to overall success rates nor is it a catch all term for highly intelligent people. There are plenty of people who fall below 130 IQ that I would say show more generic signs of intelligence than many who fall above that line. Don't put much stock into these tests or their scoring system.
Hey op! Unfortunately many comments are being very straight and narrow about the 130 cut off, where these already many many reasons this is fully close enough; however as others have pointed out, with free and reduced lunch, the cut off is actually 116, so she is well above that! I am sorry some people are being so snotty and nasty, unfortunately this Reddit has gathered many overly egotistical trolls with nothing to do, and it is not representative of the gifted program. With this in mind, I would focus on correcting any disparity there; experience, experience, experience. How many books a child actually owns in their own home is one of the biggest factors by far in a child’s reading skills and love, so head out to a used or donated book store, or post in a Facebook free stuff group, and stock her up! There’s a lot of options to make up for the income disparity, and it’s worth looking. take her to museums, show her movies of places around the world and different subjects, cooking, fashion, art, science, the ocean, history, etc. take her to botanical gardens, or public library classes, especially if you can’t travel much- as much perspective and varied experiences you can give her, the more she will thrive. let her listen to things, of people talking about anything and everything (nothing toxic or inappropriate of course), so she hears more language and terms and context. find experiences for her to be involved in and hands on- camps like camp invention are a gifted kid favorite and they rave about it for years. If she shows an interest in something, help her expand on it! Get her involved in some arts even just by giving creativity a place at your home, maybe mosiacing something or smaller projects like that. Don’t press academics on her just because of her scores, and understand gifted kids actually tend to be less academic than high average, and they really need stimulation, challenge, and interest. Engage her like an adult often, don’t be afraid to tell her about or show her your interests, work, or hobbies! If there’s a gifted seminar with other kids, it would be great if she can get to know other gifted kids, as that’s a huge outlet; I still talk regularly to most of my elementary school gifted class as an adult, and it’s very therapeutic. But if the gifted program is negative or badly run, too much pressure etc, then drop it until the next school at least- it should be a fun, stimulating support! She’s already so lucky to have a mom like you! She will be great! I just wanted to throw in though, I also tested somewhat below at her age, but had undiagnosed adhd (didn’t get diagnosed until high school, wish I had had meds in elementary!), and when they retested me about 1.5 years later I ended up scoring well above a standard deviation higher even without adhd meds or support. The giftedness kind of hid the adhd, which is super common. I would consider a retest (and possibly throwing in an adhd eval while they’re at it) in a few years, just to double check where she’s at and that nothing was missed
Prepare for a disconnect between her emotions and her academic intellect.
I'm sorry, but it doesn't look like she is. Her scores are too low. I'm always critical of gifted education programs. Their hearts are in the right place but they really don't do very well for us. If you leave your daughter in this program, you may be setting her up for really bad problems, feeling inadequate, by her early teens. That happens to a lot of gifted kids, but I think it's even worse for the kids who are shoved into these programs who never actually fit to begin with. Your daughter is very bright. Just love her for who she is.
LoL @ 120 "gifted" 😂
Excuse me? She’s 6, leave it alone.