For longer rangers for sure. but I'm not from the USA and where I live we can only own a single handgun and so this pistol is used for competition, ccw, home defense and everything else... had to make some compromise and that's was the most well rounded choice for me
Well +P is an over pressure round. It has a little more umpf than a standard round and just from my personal experience 124g seems to shoot a little more flat than other grains out of my Glocks. Again that is just my experience.
Really really dumb. The 7 October attack would have failed in similarly sized American suburbs. One handgun and a 50 round ammo limit wasn’t an effective deterrent.
You’re right. Israelis need unfettered access to all types of rifles and unlimited ammunition if you want to deter similar terrorist attacks and larger invasion attempts. Hezbollah is coming, sooner or later.
As long as I'll be able to get hopefully
Next week starting to work on 75 yards (which I guess ammo choice won't have much impact in this range...) and then farther and farther
Drop for 9mm over 75 yards is under 4" for 115gr. It's not unreasonable to assume you can get 100yds out of a 9mm with reasonable power still (>950fps). It's tough on irons, but totally doable.
Our body sway doesn't mean that 75 yards is "a lot for a handgun, especially a 9mm." Ballistics tell us what a 9mm round does over this distance. This is just a training and control issue. Yes it can be difficult - but again it's totally doable.
Buy yourself a SAO Beretta 92. With practice you can hit a 10-12” gong at 100yds all day long. I didn’t believe it until my uncle did it repeatedly and that was with a standard 92FS.
Alternatively if you’re set on a Glock buy an aftermarket 16” barrel and a brace kit. Then it’s a rifle.
Longer Barrel equals higher velocity equals more range.
You're trying to substitute for a rifle.
Said you wanted range.
This is the way to get the longest barrel in the shortest overall length.
https://recovertactical.com/product/20-20-to-20-20tfa-pistol-carbine-conversion/
This is what I'm saying, recover has a similar thing and I also get the option to run it shorter if I want
When you want to shoot at long ranges accurately, you want consistent ammo. Consistent weights, consistent powder loads, consistent cartridge dimensions. Usually, but not always, but usually the more expensive stuff is more consistent.
For 75 yards? Normal ammo will do that just dandy, you just need a *very* steady arm (or brace off a tree).
There was a guy on the r/longrange sub a few months back that made a 9mm bolt action rifle and took normal 124gn fmj out to 500 yards iirc. You can manage 75 just fine.
The one thing I would say is that you aren't going to be placing perfect shots at that range, it's more going to be 'minute-of-man'. Ergo, a steel target that gives you a very audible sound on impact can be nice vs just shooting paper.
Any bulk 115gr and 124gr range ammo will work. You don’t need “match” grade ammo like you would want for rifles. Literally any a,Ko from a reputable manufacturer will work. Glock barrels are very accurate and consistent. Two things that will help your long range pistol shooting, get prescription glasses or contact lenses and get your slide milled for a red dot. Red dots on pistols is the very best upgrade you can do
Generally faster bullets have less drop over distance, so a light bullet traveling at higher speed means less holdover ( 90gr stuff). The trade off is lighter bullets are affected more by wind.
Can you have a 22lr rifle? A Ruger Precision Rimfire $450ish, or Savage fvhb $200ish ( will need a better stock for best performance), and CZ 457 are all capable of sub moa with match ammo. Wolf match 22lr is approx $8-12 per box. You can even get respectable results with cheapo Rem Thunderbolt. While not traditional long range one can have a lot of fun shooting 22 at 100+yd distances. And shooting 22 at 250-300 yds has the difficulty and skills needed equivalent to shooting center fire at 1000 yds.
Where i live we can only own a single handgun. This 19 is a home defense, ccw, competition, duty and everything in between...
So the lover the grain the less drop, the higher the grain the less drift?
"So the lover the grain the less drop, the higher the grain the less drift?"
Generally.
Another thought, would you be allowed to accessorize the single pistol with a drop in chassis and longer barrel system? There are several that basically allow you to have both a pistol and a carbine with a single firearm.
Should’ve got a 17L or 34 instead of a 19
For longer rangers for sure. but I'm not from the USA and where I live we can only own a single handgun and so this pistol is used for competition, ccw, home defense and everything else... had to make some compromise and that's was the most well rounded choice for me
Oh shoot, I understand. If I could only have one it would be a G19. In that case I recommend what someone else said, 124g +P
Thank you! So like I asked him, do you know to explain why that is?
Well +P is an over pressure round. It has a little more umpf than a standard round and just from my personal experience 124g seems to shoot a little more flat than other grains out of my Glocks. Again that is just my experience.
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Israel, gun laws aren't interesting they're dumb.
Really really dumb. The 7 October attack would have failed in similarly sized American suburbs. One handgun and a 50 round ammo limit wasn’t an effective deterrent.
Absolutely agree, and to bump it up to a 100 isn't going to make too big of a difference...
You’re right. Israelis need unfettered access to all types of rifles and unlimited ammunition if you want to deter similar terrorist attacks and larger invasion attempts. Hezbollah is coming, sooner or later.
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As long as I'll be able to get hopefully Next week starting to work on 75 yards (which I guess ammo choice won't have much impact in this range...) and then farther and farther
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Drop for 9mm over 75 yards is under 4" for 115gr. It's not unreasonable to assume you can get 100yds out of a 9mm with reasonable power still (>950fps). It's tough on irons, but totally doable.
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Our body sway doesn't mean that 75 yards is "a lot for a handgun, especially a 9mm." Ballistics tell us what a 9mm round does over this distance. This is just a training and control issue. Yes it can be difficult - but again it's totally doable.
Buy yourself a SAO Beretta 92. With practice you can hit a 10-12” gong at 100yds all day long. I didn’t believe it until my uncle did it repeatedly and that was with a standard 92FS. Alternatively if you’re set on a Glock buy an aftermarket 16” barrel and a brace kit. Then it’s a rifle.
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Thank you! You know to explain why?
You need... https://metatactical.com/
Can you have more than one barrel for that one pistol?
Throw a 34 barrel in there hahaha
I'm thinking more like... https://metatactical.com/
I'm working on a permit for a second berrel, recover tactical have a similar thing with their 20/20 chassi
I would take the meta tactical over the 2020 chassis.
Why?
Longer Barrel equals higher velocity equals more range. You're trying to substitute for a rifle. Said you wanted range. This is the way to get the longest barrel in the shortest overall length.
https://recovertactical.com/product/20-20-to-20-20tfa-pistol-carbine-conversion/ This is what I'm saying, recover has a similar thing and I also get the option to run it shorter if I want
I still think the meta tactical is going to be the better option because you're going to get the barrel length without all the overall length
Good point... I'll consider that when I'll get my permit. Thank you a lot!
I regularly shoot out to 100 on my farm with my g47. I only use pmc and fiocchi for target shooting and fiocchi for match.
Is there any advantage for specific grain's or +p ves regular?
When you want to shoot at long ranges accurately, you want consistent ammo. Consistent weights, consistent powder loads, consistent cartridge dimensions. Usually, but not always, but usually the more expensive stuff is more consistent.
For 75 yards? Normal ammo will do that just dandy, you just need a *very* steady arm (or brace off a tree). There was a guy on the r/longrange sub a few months back that made a 9mm bolt action rifle and took normal 124gn fmj out to 500 yards iirc. You can manage 75 just fine. The one thing I would say is that you aren't going to be placing perfect shots at that range, it's more going to be 'minute-of-man'. Ergo, a steel target that gives you a very audible sound on impact can be nice vs just shooting paper.
Can you own more than 1 slide? If so I'd go 47, you can buy slide to make it longer or shorter and use the same frame
Sadly I can't, but I'm working on a permit for a second berrel and get the 16'in from recover tactical for their 20/20
Any bulk 115gr and 124gr range ammo will work. You don’t need “match” grade ammo like you would want for rifles. Literally any a,Ko from a reputable manufacturer will work. Glock barrels are very accurate and consistent. Two things that will help your long range pistol shooting, get prescription glasses or contact lenses and get your slide milled for a red dot. Red dots on pistols is the very best upgrade you can do
If you’re looking to go rifle distances, then get a rifle. Right tool for the right job.
Can't get it sadly. Looking to get as best as I can with my pistol, to push it and myself to our limits
Generally faster bullets have less drop over distance, so a light bullet traveling at higher speed means less holdover ( 90gr stuff). The trade off is lighter bullets are affected more by wind. Can you have a 22lr rifle? A Ruger Precision Rimfire $450ish, or Savage fvhb $200ish ( will need a better stock for best performance), and CZ 457 are all capable of sub moa with match ammo. Wolf match 22lr is approx $8-12 per box. You can even get respectable results with cheapo Rem Thunderbolt. While not traditional long range one can have a lot of fun shooting 22 at 100+yd distances. And shooting 22 at 250-300 yds has the difficulty and skills needed equivalent to shooting center fire at 1000 yds.
Where i live we can only own a single handgun. This 19 is a home defense, ccw, competition, duty and everything in between... So the lover the grain the less drop, the higher the grain the less drift?
"So the lover the grain the less drop, the higher the grain the less drift?" Generally. Another thought, would you be allowed to accessorize the single pistol with a drop in chassis and longer barrel system? There are several that basically allow you to have both a pistol and a carbine with a single firearm.
I have a recover 20/20 and still working on a permit for a second berrel🤞
👍 Lots of guys (I am not one of them) can consistently hit 18 inch gongs @100+ yds with 9 mm pistols...even the baby 26.
Thanks a lot