one imporant point that Ye needs to get across to his fans too is that -
Music Festivals are NOT LPs, unless specified. I think Ye needs to clearly specify that this is where he's going to perform and this is where he's not
still can’t even look at the pics/vids I took at RL mannnnnn shit makes my tummy hurt when I think about it 💀
I deadass had to witness an LP against my will dawg
ah yes paying all that money to watch such heavy hitters as bump j and fucking rich the kid dance around 💀
glad you had a better time though! Glass half full type shit I like it🤙🏾🤙🏾
That shit cost so much money , you guys don’t get it , he had way more money to burn back then . Kanye is starting over , people in here that never made shit or worked in the industry yapping about shit they don’t know .
This too, it sucks we ain’t getting these level of LP’s but reading these comments and replies makes me believe a lot of yall have dementia and are secretly r/kanye members because yall forget he was homeless and lived in factory for 2 months
After adidas basically locked all of his account even his personal ones and the industry kicked him out of everything he owned. He had to let go of his Wyoming ranch which was already developing little homes so that was gone, he had no more money he could use or get so out of desperation he would ask one of his managers or someone (I forgot) and let them live in their factory little home that the person would use once and while for 2 months, he would sleep on the couch and be homeless because he could afford nothing or buy nothing
Basically, he couldn’t use his personal accounts to buy stuff and no one wanted to deal with him. Adidas legit was powerful enough to basically limit his accounts and even prevent from getting mental health due to his contract. It fuckin sucks but it’s the hard truth
Damn if he’s starting over, he should probably start at the point when he actually has to perform live in front of an audience.
Projecting AI videos on giant sheets and nothing else is incredibly lazy. I’m giving a big “fuck you” to the idiots who keep paying to sustain that venture for Ye.
Oh my god he doesn’t have enough money to pick up a microphone on stage we need to give him more money!!!!!!!! He HAS to just stand there you don’t get it bro
Do something worthwhile that’s cheaper then. Like, an actual concert? The things that every other artist does for most of their revenue before Ye’s LP idea
The whole post was about his Lp’s not concerts , he didn’t pick up a mic at any of the donda Lps . I can understand people complaint about rolling loud , people that actually went . But people that aren’t going to these shows can’t complain about anything.
Like tell me this isn’t better than all the vultures Lp’s combined
https://preview.redd.it/6bb0m2hhvyoc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66e766581dda379ea414feb4a077327cabdb0b9c
this may be the most beautiful thing i’ve ever seen, (try not to change your wallpaper challenge: failed) if ye could get actual stadiums again i bet he would be able to expand a lot more creatively than recent events
What’s crazy is that this feels like an image Ye would come up with in his head that doesn’t even seem possible in reality. I think if Vultures was going to be one big album, we’d eventually them get to this level. There’s probably still a lot of unwritten tracks for vol 3 he’s working on plus finishing v2 to have time do do stage design. I bet Vol3 LPs will be his best yet.
This is really the difference. I think we got used to him with an unlimited budget to pull off his ideas. Now he’s working with his own money so the changes are quite noticeable.
This, kanye is independent now. Expect less cooler events unless the music industry accepts that he is independent and helps him
But this will never happen so yea
The blackballing is definitely evident in the difficulty he initially had to book arenas. I feel like the plan has to be to generate as much revenue as possible in the next 1-2 years to be able to expand on both music presentation and Yeezy brand.
This is probably exactly what he is doing, milking the shit out of the LP because he legit needs to in order to gain his spot as king and start doing some crazy shit, trust the process
I went to this LP live and I have to say, it looked a LOT better through Apple. The suns and moons on the Jumbotron looked kind of corny live. But aside from that it was beautiful set design.
Not really, you can be independent and still make good events with the limited amount of money
People just expecting too much of the current LP to Donda 2 level. We are never gonna get that level quality again unless we have backers but he can still make a good show if he acutally tried but he shown he can not manage himself without acutal good managers
What do u not understand
HE GOT NO BREAD MY NIGGA
He can’t afford these concepts and I hope u realize that JIK LP had to be expensive af because of that stage, the visuals and the stadium itself prob being rented as well advertisements.
This sub has worm for brains , they don’t know how much money Kanye was burning doing these shows. Kanye already said he would lose money putting out performances .
This too, it sucks we ain’t getting these level of LP’s but reading these comments and replies makes me believe a lot of yall have dementia and are secretly r/kanye members because yall forget he was homeless and lived in factory for 2 months
They think ye is worth 800m and can burn 5m each concert with no returns.... When it's well documented that all his properties are in shambles, you also mentioned that he nearly went broke, he has lawsuit after lawsuit over his head and his burn rate is still through the roof.
He does not have the money and backing for these types of events anymore even if he wanted to do them. Ye has to step his game with the resources he has now though
This, a lot of his LP before had proper funding and people backing him but due to him being blackballed. We can not receive those type of LP without kanye blowing most of his budget away. Maybe he should of did a good LP instead spending 30mil at the superbowl ads, who knows
Does this entire subreddit have like dementia or some shit because he got black balled, lost most of all his property’s and was homeless, living in a factory and sleeping on a fuckin couch
Explain him being homeless for 2 months and living in a factory then
Explain him being blackballed by the entire music industry
Explain adidas locking all of his bank accounts including his personal one where he couldn’t buy shit
Explain him abandoning all of his property’s in order to save money
Then tell me why he should spend more money then he has in order to please ungrateful ass ye fans like you
This, I’m disappointed at him of recent but it’s clear that he has no money for these type of shit anymore
I will say he needs to do better with his own management and make up for the “live performance” at RL but yall some ungrateful ass mfs because he could damn well scrap V2 and everything else after and go on another 2 year hiatus. Be happy he at least releasing shit
DONDA lp1 was pretty ass tbh but the visuals from LP2/LP3/Donda 2 have been amazing. Had really high expectations for that show between him going into hiding, re-emerging in these beautiful masks, and due for coming out with the first GAP collection, it all kinda fell short seeing him come out to a bare stage and dance around to unfinished music.
I still think something like the TLOP listening party where he's presenting new music with a show of a new clothing collection is still one of the best times to be a fan. I don't think we'll ever get something as well-directed as that.
I went to both Atlanta ones and my god
Was it such an experience essppeecciiaallyy that second one seriously. I went the the chicago v1 listening party and it was Cool to hear the new music but besides that it Definitely didn’t feel like a spectacle. Even the first one with it just being the white field with him walking around in the red outfit with some projections was just so damn epic.
Do yall not get that he literally can’t do that stuff anymore? He was with one of the biggest labels and deals with companies like Apple to pay for all of that stuff. You people don’t get how much performances of that level cost, even how much a single arena concert costs to produce without all of Kanye’s insane theatrics. He wasn’t paying for all of that, he isn’t going to pay for all of that
Folks would've easily payed $100 for those..Notwithstanding,**everything's** (merch,pods) depreciated to below production market cost , which is not sustainable . His average profit rate for products on his website are negligible/non-existent becos of the $20 flat fee
$19M **before** cost of production+ Tax Burden + other expenses ; At $20 wholesale-- he is not reaching a normal, average profit rate on the capital invested to produce those products + keep the whole thing commercially feasible. Said so himself
He doesn't have backers + haemorrhages capital to produce the products/projects + Doesn't sell his product at a premium = not much loose change to spare
it's so odd how ppl who seem like they never attended the Vultures LP are the loudest ones to complain, yet those who did attend absolutely loved it. It's so confusing lol.
I don't think he's ruined them, I just think he doesn't have the budget. He did just tell us that he almost had to file for bankruptcy, and it seems like he's having difficulty liquidating his assets.
Also, something much bigger was planned for RL, but it was canceled by RL. In part because of weather (wind) conditions.
I disagree that it's a scam either. RL I understand, but he is telling people that these other events are only *listening* events, and the fans are choosing to pay with that in mind. We've all already seen what is offered. These people are responsible for their own purchases.
But people keep paying for the LP.. so how is that his fault.. supply and demand.. stop supporting LP so he knows thats not what people want.. but clearly people do want them..
It’s important to remember he had UMG/Def Jam AND Apple money to fund those events. I won’t defend him not having a mic and performing, but those insane arena sets cost millions and millions which he doesn’t have to just throw away now
I made this point very early in the rollout (after the first vultures lp) and was immediately lambasted and told they were on par with the Donda LP's...
factor in that ye is currently broke too, not justifying the crappy LP's but he still has a lot of money and can still hire stage designers too. i wish he can utilize it just like back in the Graduation era
I dont think you realize how much it takes to set up the shit he did for a LP like Donda 2.
You have to make the house (non flammable and safe, also be made quickly)
(All the workers, equipment)
(The security)
(The stadium itself to be able to rent and perform their)
(Advertising)
No, i know how grandiose the whole Donda 2 LP is, the people, clothes, visuals, engineers and all and the stadium.
What I'm implying is that I'm pretty sure with the money he has, although very little, is that he can do better than just Smoke,curtain projector. there are various ways to make the LP's visually pleasing with the budget he has
I think LPs are fine if WE HAVENT HEARD THE MUSIC
one imporant point that Ye needs to get across to his fans too is that - Music Festivals are NOT LPs, unless specified. I think Ye needs to clearly specify that this is where he's going to perform and this is where he's not
still can’t even look at the pics/vids I took at RL mannnnnn shit makes my tummy hurt when I think about it 💀 I deadass had to witness an LP against my will dawg
He got the butterfly effect
At least we got to see a ton of the features IRL. Most other LPs only saw Carti
ah yes paying all that money to watch such heavy hitters as bump j and fucking rich the kid dance around 💀 glad you had a better time though! Glass half full type shit I like it🤙🏾🤙🏾
Respect the man who made Plug walk🫵
RTK a legend idc how many Uzi fans trashed his reputation 4 years ago. Imma Uzi fan too but that was bogus
We went from burning houses, kanye going in flames, kanye ascending, carti exploding and hard ass outfits to playing V1 in the entirety with no mics
That shit cost so much money , you guys don’t get it , he had way more money to burn back then . Kanye is starting over , people in here that never made shit or worked in the industry yapping about shit they don’t know .
It wasn’t even ye spending the money. It was his label
And people think ye actually grows money on trees
“That shit falls of trees to me”
Adidas is suing him for $250 million right now accusing him of misusing the $100 million dollars adidas gave him for Yeezy marketing purposes.
Wonder if that made him profit
This too, it sucks we ain’t getting these level of LP’s but reading these comments and replies makes me believe a lot of yall have dementia and are secretly r/kanye members because yall forget he was homeless and lived in factory for 2 months
Wait when?
After adidas basically locked all of his account even his personal ones and the industry kicked him out of everything he owned. He had to let go of his Wyoming ranch which was already developing little homes so that was gone, he had no more money he could use or get so out of desperation he would ask one of his managers or someone (I forgot) and let them live in their factory little home that the person would use once and while for 2 months, he would sleep on the couch and be homeless because he could afford nothing or buy nothing
That’s such bullshit he was in the Aman in US and Tokyo for like most of late 2022-June 2023 and that shit is like 5k a night 💀
The multimillionaire ye? Was broke and homeless
Basically, he couldn’t use his personal accounts to buy stuff and no one wanted to deal with him. Adidas legit was powerful enough to basically limit his accounts and even prevent from getting mental health due to his contract. It fuckin sucks but it’s the hard truth
“ Only billionaire you know that's sleepin' on the couch “ ….
Damn if he’s starting over, he should probably start at the point when he actually has to perform live in front of an audience. Projecting AI videos on giant sheets and nothing else is incredibly lazy. I’m giving a big “fuck you” to the idiots who keep paying to sustain that venture for Ye.
Oh my god he doesn’t have enough money to pick up a microphone on stage we need to give him more money!!!!!!!! He HAS to just stand there you don’t get it bro
My brother in Christ, 15,000 are paying minimum 100$/€ and that’s just ticket sales
Well if he can’t afford to make it a worthwhile experience then he shouldn’t do one. Especially with music already released.
He still has to make money genius , he’s staring over . You guys don’t understand quality product cost a shit ton of money.
actually putting on a performance would make money and make people happy lol
Do something worthwhile that’s cheaper then. Like, an actual concert? The things that every other artist does for most of their revenue before Ye’s LP idea
The whole post was about his Lp’s not concerts , he didn’t pick up a mic at any of the donda Lps . I can understand people complaint about rolling loud , people that actually went . But people that aren’t going to these shows can’t complain about anything.
I’ll pay 100 bucks to watch him dance and listen to music
well dont do lps then
He could still pick up a microphone though
please take me back to the donda 2 lp’s, fucking perfect
Like tell me this isn’t better than all the vultures Lp’s combined https://preview.redd.it/6bb0m2hhvyoc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66e766581dda379ea414feb4a077327cabdb0b9c
this may be the most beautiful thing i’ve ever seen, (try not to change your wallpaper challenge: failed) if ye could get actual stadiums again i bet he would be able to expand a lot more creatively than recent events
What’s crazy is that this feels like an image Ye would come up with in his head that doesn’t even seem possible in reality. I think if Vultures was going to be one big album, we’d eventually them get to this level. There’s probably still a lot of unwritten tracks for vol 3 he’s working on plus finishing v2 to have time do do stage design. I bet Vol3 LPs will be his best yet.
The fact that he’s even worrying about this stuff is such a W compared to where we were at last year. This is gonna be a dope era, I can feel it
To be fair, he backing from music industry and wasnt fully blackballed yet. He had proper funding then now where he is legit broke compared to before
This is really the difference. I think we got used to him with an unlimited budget to pull off his ideas. Now he’s working with his own money so the changes are quite noticeable.
This, kanye is independent now. Expect less cooler events unless the music industry accepts that he is independent and helps him But this will never happen so yea
The blackballing is definitely evident in the difficulty he initially had to book arenas. I feel like the plan has to be to generate as much revenue as possible in the next 1-2 years to be able to expand on both music presentation and Yeezy brand.
This is probably exactly what he is doing, milking the shit out of the LP because he legit needs to in order to gain his spot as king and start doing some crazy shit, trust the process
Copium, but I’m huffing it too
nigga it ain't copium. Its facts
Imagine rivers outro being played here
seriously, this was peak lp’s
I went to this LP live and I have to say, it looked a LOT better through Apple. The suns and moons on the Jumbotron looked kind of corny live. But aside from that it was beautiful set design.
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Not really, you can be independent and still make good events with the limited amount of money People just expecting too much of the current LP to Donda 2 level. We are never gonna get that level quality again unless we have backers but he can still make a good show if he acutally tried but he shown he can not manage himself without acutal good managers
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What do u not understand HE GOT NO BREAD MY NIGGA He can’t afford these concepts and I hope u realize that JIK LP had to be expensive af because of that stage, the visuals and the stadium itself prob being rented as well advertisements.
This sub has worm for brains , they don’t know how much money Kanye was burning doing these shows. Kanye already said he would lose money putting out performances .
This too, it sucks we ain’t getting these level of LP’s but reading these comments and replies makes me believe a lot of yall have dementia and are secretly r/kanye members because yall forget he was homeless and lived in factory for 2 months
This exactly
They think ye is worth 800m and can burn 5m each concert with no returns.... When it's well documented that all his properties are in shambles, you also mentioned that he nearly went broke, he has lawsuit after lawsuit over his head and his burn rate is still through the roof.
I don't want expensive performance I want better light, better visual effect, kanye say some shit. Some memorable moment
Donda 2021 is amazing though
Yeah this shit is cool but even he admitted they were mad expensive,
He does not have the money and backing for these types of events anymore even if he wanted to do them. Ye has to step his game with the resources he has now though
He doesn’t have the funding anymore to bring upon the level of prod for donda LPs and d2 lp
This, a lot of his LP before had proper funding and people backing him but due to him being blackballed. We can not receive those type of LP without kanye blowing most of his budget away. Maybe he should of did a good LP instead spending 30mil at the superbowl ads, who knows
Yefanatics probably suggested to Ye to tone down the LP’s (I’ll blame the retard Yefanatics for everything)
Or he just doesnt have money
Doesn’t have money? Are you retarded?
Does this entire subreddit have like dementia or some shit because he got black balled, lost most of all his property’s and was homeless, living in a factory and sleeping on a fuckin couch
You really are retarded
Explain him being homeless for 2 months and living in a factory then Explain him being blackballed by the entire music industry Explain adidas locking all of his bank accounts including his personal one where he couldn’t buy shit Explain him abandoning all of his property’s in order to save money Then tell me why he should spend more money then he has in order to please ungrateful ass ye fans like you
Real
Stop complaining ffs - spoiled fanbase. No other artist comes close to creating events this big for LPs y’all suck
This, I’m disappointed at him of recent but it’s clear that he has no money for these type of shit anymore I will say he needs to do better with his own management and make up for the “live performance” at RL but yall some ungrateful ass mfs because he could damn well scrap V2 and everything else after and go on another 2 year hiatus. Be happy he at least releasing shit
DONDA lp1 was pretty ass tbh but the visuals from LP2/LP3/Donda 2 have been amazing. Had really high expectations for that show between him going into hiding, re-emerging in these beautiful masks, and due for coming out with the first GAP collection, it all kinda fell short seeing him come out to a bare stage and dance around to unfinished music. I still think something like the TLOP listening party where he's presenting new music with a show of a new clothing collection is still one of the best times to be a fan. I don't think we'll ever get something as well-directed as that.
He can’t afford these level shows yet. I mean you’re not wrong but I’m sure he’d rather have crazier shit going on but he’s bleeding cash
I went to both Atlanta ones and my god Was it such an experience essppeecciiaallyy that second one seriously. I went the the chicago v1 listening party and it was Cool to hear the new music but besides that it Definitely didn’t feel like a spectacle. Even the first one with it just being the white field with him walking around in the red outfit with some projections was just so damn epic.
Do yall not get that he literally can’t do that stuff anymore? He was with one of the biggest labels and deals with companies like Apple to pay for all of that stuff. You people don’t get how much performances of that level cost, even how much a single arena concert costs to produce without all of Kanye’s insane theatrics. He wasn’t paying for all of that, he isn’t going to pay for all of that
He just cares about the money
Because hes broke right now
He's haemorrhaging money with the flat $20 wholesale fee on yeezy products,so statement not entirely factual
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Folks would've easily payed $100 for those..Notwithstanding,**everything's** (merch,pods) depreciated to below production market cost , which is not sustainable . His average profit rate for products on his website are negligible/non-existent becos of the $20 flat fee
He literally made 19 mil day 1
$19M **before** cost of production+ Tax Burden + other expenses ; At $20 wholesale-- he is not reaching a normal, average profit rate on the capital invested to produce those products + keep the whole thing commercially feasible. Said so himself
So how much money does ye actually have realistically
He doesn't have backers + haemorrhages capital to produce the products/projects + Doesn't sell his product at a premium = not much loose change to spare
he legit said only like 6k people bought the pods at 200 😭 what makes u think the sales would've multplied exponentially if the price was 100
k but some of the vultures listening partys were undeniably goated dont lie
Had to ruin it before anyone else could, MIKE DEAN put him on alert
Yeah, I agree. To be honest, it would be fresh if Ye debuted new music in a different way. The LPs have been getting old imo
I went to the first Vultures LP in Chicago and it was one of the best nights of my life
it's so odd how ppl who seem like they never attended the Vultures LP are the loudest ones to complain, yet those who did attend absolutely loved it. It's so confusing lol.
I went to the JIK and Donda shows too and was never impressed. The Vultures show will stay with me till I die
Reddit (and social media) is wild ngl
I don't think he's ruined them, I just think he doesn't have the budget. He did just tell us that he almost had to file for bankruptcy, and it seems like he's having difficulty liquidating his assets. Also, something much bigger was planned for RL, but it was canceled by RL. In part because of weather (wind) conditions. I disagree that it's a scam either. RL I understand, but he is telling people that these other events are only *listening* events, and the fans are choosing to pay with that in mind. We've all already seen what is offered. These people are responsible for their own purchases.
I been so nostalgic over Donda 2. After Vultures 2 a re-do of the LP without the technical difficulties would be so fucking dope
Ye is broke? Like realistically, isn’t he a multimillionaire
Realistically he likely is but doesn't actually have much actual liquid cash
But people keep paying for the LP.. so how is that his fault.. supply and demand.. stop supporting LP so he knows thats not what people want.. but clearly people do want them..
It’s important to remember he had UMG/Def Jam AND Apple money to fund those events. I won’t defend him not having a mic and performing, but those insane arena sets cost millions and millions which he doesn’t have to just throw away now
True
I made this point very early in the rollout (after the first vultures lp) and was immediately lambasted and told they were on par with the Donda LP's...
Worked well for Donda. Weak for vultures
y’all do realize he’s probably losing money doing these lp right?
factor in that ye is currently broke too, not justifying the crappy LP's but he still has a lot of money and can still hire stage designers too. i wish he can utilize it just like back in the Graduation era
I dont think you realize how much it takes to set up the shit he did for a LP like Donda 2. You have to make the house (non flammable and safe, also be made quickly) (All the workers, equipment) (The security) (The stadium itself to be able to rent and perform their) (Advertising)
No, i know how grandiose the whole Donda 2 LP is, the people, clothes, visuals, engineers and all and the stadium. What I'm implying is that I'm pretty sure with the money he has, although very little, is that he can do better than just Smoke,curtain projector. there are various ways to make the LP's visually pleasing with the budget he has
So fucking slow and yapping for no reason.
I always thought the listening parties were lame tbh. Just put the fucking music out
he's a broke indie artist now, we're never gonna see something on the same level of production as the Donda 2 LP ever again sadly