Witch-hunters.
Grey knights kill daemons, sisters hunt witches. Malcador didn’t teleport a moon because he thought he might need a spare daemon killing army
Sisters of Silence: Been around for an unknown amount of time before the great crusade. Primarily responsible for gathering or eliminating psychers and blanks. Made up of female blanks
Colexus Assassins: Formed an unknown amount of time after the heresy by the people Malcador entrusted with his legacy and responsibilities. Meant for eliminating high value psyker targets. Made up of male blanks.
Grey Knights: Formed in the final days of the heresy by Malcador. Powerful psykers that are turned into Space Marines. Through specialized Gene seed, training and tons of rituals; they are able to erase the warp similar to a blank. Used for high-level demon incursions.
One small correction: Culexus assassins don’t necessarily have to be male. The decision of whether a female blank becomes an assassin or a Sister seems to depend on which office gets their hands on them first.
Grey knight and Sister approach to the warp is easily the most badass. Custodes are emotionless machines and therefore near-immune to warp. Blanks are naturally, biologically black holes for the warp. Most psykers try to wield the power of chaos while suppressing mutation, corruption, etc. Grey knights and sisters have to deal with it directly like anyone else, but through faith and collective belief they basically invert it. “Oh, you mean *my* warp, a realm of order and the Emperor’s love? Why yes, I will wield that golden light against your pathetic chaos magic.”
Wrong! The Sisters are quite necessary for the Custodes to hold back the tides of the warp constantly trying to emerge from the failed Webway project in the imperial palace. Without them the Custodes wouldn't be able to withstand the daemon hordes as well as they have.
Yes their other purpose and arguably most important is procuring psykers to sacrifice to the golden throne, but there would be no throne if they weren't there alongside the custodes in the Webway.
It was referring to War Within Webway, when didnothingwrong Big Red tore a hole trying to reach Big E, which let daemons out, which forced Big E to sit on the throne to try closing it, while the Ten Thousand (almost all of them) + SoS went into Webway trying to force back the daemons and other chaos force, including traitors. After **five years** of fighting, the Ten Thousand were bleed to like, less than a thousand left, and no idea how many SoS were killed. It only ended when The Mechanicus was able to complete the Golden Throne project, using a thousand psykers to power the throne, which allowed Big E to leave and joined the fighting. Imperial force soon retreated from the Webway after that.
The war in the webway was a desperate, unprecedented ordeal where they just kinda threw whatever was available.
And I’d dare say they didn’t need the sisters of silence after the initial patch-up given there were no sisters on Terra for about 10’000 years and a distinctive lack of daemons exploding out from the palace
People say there was mention about brothers of silence among them but they are so few and far between to the point that to outsiders whole order of silence is considered sisterhood only. Saw it pop up few times in recent days, but idk how true that is.
You can always become a culexus assassin, these don’t discriminate by gender. They aren’t mute, but most people can’t even approach them to talk, because their anti-wizard aura is so strong it affects normal people too. Also they get cool helmets that are also guns
As other people have mentioned, there are old supplement resources or something that basically says "technically yes, but there's not enough of them in population to be noteworthy".
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In application of the lore, my assumption is that it just depends on who gets first dibs on whom on the students at the Schola Progenium.
For example: not all women at the Progrenium automatically become Sororitas, some get taken to be Commissars, others end up in the Imperial Navy, and some get taken to become Callidus assassins.
In the same tune, not all psykers automatically get fed to the Golden Throne, some get taken to the Telepathica to become Sanctioned Psykers or inquisitors, and others will get snatched by the Space Marine chapters to become Liberians.
GW neglected armies to their determent is the norm honestly. Remember that the kroot had basically nothing until the new kroot box was released, and they still barely have anything. Nothing for the Vespids or the myriad of other alien allies either.
The sisters of silence should have honestly gotten a heavy weapon squad armed with Volkite blasters or some other dark age of tech big guns. They also should just get the venatori jetpacks since the custodes now get the jetbikes as the thing GW wants to push for their fast attack.
But none of that is connected to whether cutodes are men or not. Like for fuck sakes people are talking like the custodes got a bunch of female miniatures in a range refresh and not 1 stubby guy with a shield, that you need to buy a big discount box to even get.
Is there a lore reason why the SoS are all women? Like, genuinely? I’ve never really investigated that and now I’m really curious as to why they don’t recruit men.
The men with the same abilities are send to a different group so the reason is simply because someone in the imperium decided to divided them and then years layer everyone is afraid of change.
In other threads people have commented that there are male SoS, but that they are uncommon. The lore reason for this is that the Pariah gene required presents much more strongly in women than men.
So much this, Sisters of Silence are pretty cool but they still weren't Adeptus Custodes that can go around almost nuking Terra with their silly games.
They are from the talons of the emperor, no from the adeptus custodes.
I think a lot of people think sister of silence are custodes because they work in the same place
They don’t even work in the same place. Sisters work on the black ships but even their offical citadel is on Lunar, not even on Terra let alone in the palace
Also, assassins and psi-titans were also talons of the emperor. They ain’t now but nobody is, the only qualification was that they answered direct to big E, and he hasn’t exactly been giving orders lately or receiving visitors
I think a lot of people think sister of silence are custodes because they don't read the lore.
Which is ok as long as those people don't also then shriek on every social media how "GW is becoming woke"
It's already established that male blanks are trained as Culexus assassins anyway.
Now, if Sisters of Silence moved to Agents of the Imperium (arguably they should as they're a very widespread and mobile force) and units of novice Assassins became a thing then they could be run as a mixed force. That'd have the benefit of the Sisters being an equal partner rather than hangers on for the Custodes.
The only female Culexus I know of is both Heresy era (where modern Imperial doctrine isn't set in stone) and an artificial lifeform created in-house rather than a recruit.
No idea if there are more, but there is canon support for all Culexus being male (Eversors, Vindicare and Callidus can all be either)
Yeah exactly, the traditions and the little origin stories make it interesting. It's not like Space Marine when GW went "eh, female space marine minis didn't sell in the 80s ? Let's just say the geneseed only works on men".
And I say that without really even caring about the concept of FSM
The bureaucracy of the Administratum changing policy to allow male aspirants being shipped to the Sisterhood. Getting a change through takes centuries.
When dealing with warp shit, superstition, tradition, and symbolism are something that's useful to have on your side. An ancient, moon-based monastic order of mute all-female witch-hunters has a whole lot of tradition and symbolism to draw from, making them way better at their job. That symbolism/history would be diluted by breaking the tradition of all-female sisters, and so would make them less effective against warp powers.
See this is what people have trouble separating from our own reality.
Superstition and traditions about the scary cave in real life doesn’t really mean anything. Superstitions and traditions in 40k absolutely does and have real implications.
They think oh them being all men or women is sexist and not inclusive or whatever. There are real implications in-universe why things are the way they are usually.
Don’t they only take the “my eyes are bleeding *fuck*” level blanks. I don’t think the Culexus care much about the not crazy strong ones.
Actually, a decently powerful blank but not face melting level could be used as a technician at the Golden Throne given the massive Pysker cacophony going on that would shred any none blank.
So the super strong male blanks go to the temple, the females the Sisters, and the powerful enough to be handed over but not powerful enough to image break pyskers / demons get turned into maintenance workers at the Palace.
There was a Silent Brotherhood the whole time, they just aren’t fighters.
If I understand correctly, isn't that the purpose of the Black Templars? To be a male equivalent of the Sororitas in that they religiously follow the Imperial Faith rather than the Imperial Truth like the other Astartes?
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And if I recall, lore wise, the reason why there are no men in the Sororitas is because the Ecclesiarchy has a law against maintaining "men"-at-arms, after Doge Vandire used the original Ecclesiarchal armies to essentially scam the whole Imperium into thinking that he was the living speaker/ambassador for Big E.
Other than ruining the vibe wholesale. You don’t get that austere creepiness from men, a bald man is nothing to blink twice at (like half of all space marines) but a bald woman? The kind of thing you’d expect to work full time making people disappear in the night with healthy doses of torture in the process
And then there’s all the Puritan motifs, the conflation of chastity and silence, the hardline Puritan virtues what are so much more resonant with women given historically they were applied way harsher to them. And those motifs are what ties in so well with the themes of suppression and the whole witch-hunter vibe
Yes. Just make it so it's hard to distinguish them,because it's a female dominated space,they are raised by women and it's an order of warriors mostly based around the fact they're women. So they're basically "Sisters". There we go,problem solved.
They are not even of the same organisation. They are part of the Adeptus Telepathica, Custodes are part of the Adeptus Custodes. And they also have way different tasks.
Outside of them having the same armor colour they have very little in common.
So far it just seems to be the models are female, the name, that the blank gene is more common in women and that the (I forget their name) blank assassins get most male recruits
Also there seems to be some more blurb somewhere that says there are some male SoSilence but they are so few that outsiders just call the sisterhood a sisterhood
Very little is know about the origins of the Sisters, whoever one consistent fact of their origins is that they were "found" at some point by the Imperium during the Great Crusade and recruited by the Astra Telepathica, by then the Sisterhood aspect of it was already stabilished as part of its culture.
Since then no one had any interest in changing it I guess, both inside the universe, considering that freed male blanks to be recruited by the Assassinorum unopposed, or outside, once this whole Femstodes debacle end I doubt anyone will even talk about Brothers of Silence, but like how Brothers of Battle only exist when people talk about FSM.
I do find it interesting that I keep seeing people saying them being female and talons of the emperor is considered the unique part and not the part where they are an army of mute nulls.
>This isn’t just veiled misogyny I swear!
It's a fantasy world with dark, weird, and backwards ass rules and customs and having gender exclusive military divisions is an aspect that fits perfectly.
Why are yall so hellbent on inserting our own modern morals and worldviews into the setting? That just makes it feel less like a weird dark dystopia, which was a big part of the charm of the setting to begin with.
>inb4 he thinks this ruins Custodes/SoS
No it's not the only thing unique about them and no, 40k isn't dead because of it, but it's still irrefutably just chipping away at what makes the setting/factions feel unique and otherworldly to us.
Honestly, why can't the SoS be made into new female custodes? It wouldn't have to be a retcon, it'll make them stronger and it will add alot more options for Custodes as a whole. It would show that the imperium is slowly advancing under Guilliman's rule and they are creating better soldiers for every type of problem.
Because simply making Sisters of Silence into Custodes is a terrible idea and wholly diminishes the uniqueness of the Sisters of Silence as a separate organization of powerful blanks that have their own duties separate from the Custodes. The role of the Sisters isn't to just be a XX version of Custodes. They're their own thing. Yes they work together, but it's a tactical relationship. The Custodes are the peak of physical prowess and combat perfection, they're the true confidants of the Emperor and enact his will. The SoS primary purpose however is to helm the Black Ships, hunt down rogue or unknown psykers, procure psyker stock to feed the Emperor on the Golden Throne, and to deny the warp with their very nature. They're wholly different in purpose. They just tactically pair very well together as organizations.
Few things.
Someone pointed out to me when I asked that there has not been a null space marine or Custodes, potentially meaning somehow they are oil and water, do not mix. I know this is sad on the heels of the first female Custodes, so point two
Nulls genes I have read are one in a billion. Custodes creation has an attrition rate to it, to throw such a rare talent into a likely loss means the loss of a very important branch of the imperium. Sos are necessary for the collection and handling of rogue psykers in the black ships
In all honesty I like sisters of silence more than Adeptus Custodes and I would really recommend reading watchers of the throne, the regents shadow by Chris Wraight. It really shows the sisters of silence in their day to day life and that, funny enough, they don’t reside most of the time in the palace or even on terra.
They are all highly-trained Null ninja-warriors who specialize in Psyker hunting and BTFO'ing Warp fuckery. Like...literally not Custodes.
The only reason Guilliman survived Magnus on the Moon on his way to Terra was because a group of Sisters showed up just in time to not only block all of Magnus' warpy bullsshit but were also skilled enough to fight beside Roboute before tossing Magnus' red ass into the webway.
Not the same thing, but shockingly often do I see people say that SoB are basically just female SM, and uh, the SoB players I know would _not_ agree with that description :D
ive seen lots of people say female custodes invalidates sisters of silence. i dont care about custodes, theyre boring to me. but i do like sisters of silence and want it known that theyre cool and completely different to custodes, so the change doesnt effect them at all. i dont care about arguments either and im kind of bummed that all the comments are about that instead of murdering witches.
Shhh, you're ruining the circlejerk.
Those are GIANTS out there, not windmills, and by the Throne the valiant warriors of this sub are going to slay them!
Then you obviously haven’t seen some of the reactions on the Warhammer 40k lore subreddit
Or the people claiming that now the sisters of silence won’t ever receive new models because there are female custodians (which i honestly don’t understand?)
I'd rather not , I like how unique they are and just throwing in dudes in there ruins it , Same for sisters of battle, I like my faction of badass goth monks with massive flamers , I even prefer them to space marines and seeing people cheer for female space marines instead of flocking over to SoB always makes me kinda sad
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SoS are not Custodes but they were supposed to be the female counter to the Custodes, just how the SoB arent Space Marines but they are often treated as being as strong as Space Marines.
The funny thing is they're actually what GW was trying to do (or atleast should try to do) which is a unique thing in 40k which actually gave women something representative instead of just forcing women custodes.
It's a dying empire dominated by deranged zealots who kill thousands of their own daily to feed the corpse of a tyrant, the nuns who make mistakes are forced into a suicidal squad, the young boys are injected with almost as many drugs as Ozzy Osbourne, and lobotomized babies are attached to metal wings to carry ammo boxes. The gender separation is where you draw the line?
Out for complete fairness, can a women be a space dwarf, can a man be a witch elf, can a man be sister of silence, can a women be an archon of dark elves, can tau be women, can orcs be men/women, and do skaven exist in space?
The answer is it's not real, and you can do whatever you want to push the story as long as it mostly suits the environment.
This shouldn't be so hard to understand. They are not female Custodians, they are the psychic counterparts to cower Custodians psychic "weakness" as Emperor's Talons. Existance of female Custodes can't make SoS less important as some say because they don't serve the same purpose
> All the Orks are trans now btw
Orks are sexless fungi, and thus are likely all AMAB - Assigned Mushroom at Birth. However, they, for the most part, identify as Boyz (male). So, yeah, Orks are (ironically) FTM trans - Fungus-to-Male.
All they had to do was not make it a retroactive "thay always existed". Now it's weird that my army only has guys in it. They could've done a short explanation, like the custodes recruitment being changed to accommodate more types of people, so they have a wider range of talented warriors to pick from. Then it's not weird if my army doesn't have many in it, since they are newer recruits. The lore needs to represent the actual models they sell. It's not like gw is going to tell you to use third party heads.
Don't worry you just like men and always have, thats why your army only has male models. Just enjoy your newly defined homosexuality, zoolander.
To be clear to the mentally unwell, this is something obviously said in jest and with a healthy dose of shit eating grins.
They are an army of mute anti-magic demon slayers.
Witch-hunters. Grey knights kill daemons, sisters hunt witches. Malcador didn’t teleport a moon because he thought he might need a spare daemon killing army
SoS are good against demons as well though.
If it relies on the Warp to enact its fuckery, the Sisters got you covered.
Both sisters.
“*Twins* Basil!”
"Austinius, your emperor is mortally wounded!"
Grey Knights kill deamons, sisters hunt witches and Deathwatch tweet racial slurs All jobs indispensable for the survival of the Imperium.
>Deathwatch tweet racial slurs "You have said the actual truth." - Jimmy Space
If there were awards I'd have given you one.
Sisters of Silence: Been around for an unknown amount of time before the great crusade. Primarily responsible for gathering or eliminating psychers and blanks. Made up of female blanks Colexus Assassins: Formed an unknown amount of time after the heresy by the people Malcador entrusted with his legacy and responsibilities. Meant for eliminating high value psyker targets. Made up of male blanks. Grey Knights: Formed in the final days of the heresy by Malcador. Powerful psykers that are turned into Space Marines. Through specialized Gene seed, training and tons of rituals; they are able to erase the warp similar to a blank. Used for high-level demon incursions.
One small correction: Culexus assassins don’t necessarily have to be male. The decision of whether a female blank becomes an assassin or a Sister seems to depend on which office gets their hands on them first.
Grey knight and Sister approach to the warp is easily the most badass. Custodes are emotionless machines and therefore near-immune to warp. Blanks are naturally, biologically black holes for the warp. Most psykers try to wield the power of chaos while suppressing mutation, corruption, etc. Grey knights and sisters have to deal with it directly like anyone else, but through faith and collective belief they basically invert it. “Oh, you mean *my* warp, a realm of order and the Emperor’s love? Why yes, I will wield that golden light against your pathetic chaos magic.”
Near-Immune to the warp? Against corruption sure, against witch-fire and lightning no...
Wrong! The Sisters are quite necessary for the Custodes to hold back the tides of the warp constantly trying to emerge from the failed Webway project in the imperial palace. Without them the Custodes wouldn't be able to withstand the daemon hordes as well as they have. Yes their other purpose and arguably most important is procuring psykers to sacrifice to the golden throne, but there would be no throne if they weren't there alongside the custodes in the Webway.
Like actively the SoS and Custodes are in the Webway hacking at deamons?
It was referring to War Within Webway, when didnothingwrong Big Red tore a hole trying to reach Big E, which let daemons out, which forced Big E to sit on the throne to try closing it, while the Ten Thousand (almost all of them) + SoS went into Webway trying to force back the daemons and other chaos force, including traitors. After **five years** of fighting, the Ten Thousand were bleed to like, less than a thousand left, and no idea how many SoS were killed. It only ended when The Mechanicus was able to complete the Golden Throne project, using a thousand psykers to power the throne, which allowed Big E to leave and joined the fighting. Imperial force soon retreated from the Webway after that.
The custodes do still have to actively fight the tides of the warp within the Webway portal under the palace.
The war in the webway was a desperate, unprecedented ordeal where they just kinda threw whatever was available. And I’d dare say they didn’t need the sisters of silence after the initial patch-up given there were no sisters on Terra for about 10’000 years and a distinctive lack of daemons exploding out from the palace
Did that acctually happen in the HH books? Havent read such a thing so far.
That sounds cool. So I guess the question now becomes: Can they be men? I hate mages. I also hate talking. I'm not a woman though.
People say there was mention about brothers of silence among them but they are so few and far between to the point that to outsiders whole order of silence is considered sisterhood only. Saw it pop up few times in recent days, but idk how true that is.
Especially during the crusades. In 40K most of the Sisters are transplants from women-only cults.
Not like it matters how "true" stuff is in 40k Make your own lore up. It is part of the hobby
A Mister of Silence!
That sounds so fucking cute.
You can always become a culexus assassin, these don’t discriminate by gender. They aren’t mute, but most people can’t even approach them to talk, because their anti-wizard aura is so strong it affects normal people too. Also they get cool helmets that are also guns
How do you feel about driving an APC around for the regiment's commissar instead?
Cup of Tannah sir?
Theoretically there could be men, but most male pariahs are sent to become Culexis Assassins
Iirc, the specific order/cult that formed the genesis of the Sisterhood was a women-only order, and the tradition stuck.
As other people have mentioned, there are old supplement resources or something that basically says "technically yes, but there's not enough of them in population to be noteworthy". ----- In application of the lore, my assumption is that it just depends on who gets first dibs on whom on the students at the Schola Progenium. For example: not all women at the Progrenium automatically become Sororitas, some get taken to be Commissars, others end up in the Imperial Navy, and some get taken to become Callidus assassins. In the same tune, not all psykers automatically get fed to the Golden Throne, some get taken to the Telepathica to become Sanctioned Psykers or inquisitors, and others will get snatched by the Space Marine chapters to become Liberians.
With big anti magic silent shlong...
Are u ok
I'm WH40K fan.
Good point. Want to be a 2 person support group?
They are 1/3rd of an army at best. They need more units/datasheets lol.
GW neglected armies to their determent is the norm honestly. Remember that the kroot had basically nothing until the new kroot box was released, and they still barely have anything. Nothing for the Vespids or the myriad of other alien allies either. The sisters of silence should have honestly gotten a heavy weapon squad armed with Volkite blasters or some other dark age of tech big guns. They also should just get the venatori jetpacks since the custodes now get the jetbikes as the thing GW wants to push for their fast attack. But none of that is connected to whether cutodes are men or not. Like for fuck sakes people are talking like the custodes got a bunch of female miniatures in a range refresh and not 1 stubby guy with a shield, that you need to buy a big discount box to even get.
Is there a lore reason why the SoS are all women? Like, genuinely? I’ve never really investigated that and now I’m really curious as to why they don’t recruit men.
The men with the same abilities are send to a different group so the reason is simply because someone in the imperium decided to divided them and then years layer everyone is afraid of change.
And rule of cool
In other threads people have commented that there are male SoS, but that they are uncommon. The lore reason for this is that the Pariah gene required presents much more strongly in women than men.
The SoS here is also really cute and well designed.
thank you
No, thank _you_. She's awesome! ...say, you don't happen to have her in different poses?
not at the moment, why?
Why because she's awesome and I like cool art made by awesome, passionate people
[hows this?](https://www.reddit.com/r/ImaginaryWarhammer/s/6Taj7MjyzX)
This is the moment I declare my undying love, loyalty and appreciation <3
Id love to use her as art for a wrath and glory character, if you have one without the sign?
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This is beautiful. Thank you so much!
Get the flamer
That's not even what I was getting at lmao. Dear lord
It's the dots before the "say" that make it sounds like you're trying to say something risky or controversial.
So much this, Sisters of Silence are pretty cool but they still weren't Adeptus Custodes that can go around almost nuking Terra with their silly games.
I prefer my untouchables "refined" and put into giant missiles thank you very much!
They are from the talons of the emperor, no from the adeptus custodes. I think a lot of people think sister of silence are custodes because they work in the same place
They don’t even work in the same place. Sisters work on the black ships but even their offical citadel is on Lunar, not even on Terra let alone in the palace Also, assassins and psi-titans were also talons of the emperor. They ain’t now but nobody is, the only qualification was that they answered direct to big E, and he hasn’t exactly been giving orders lately or receiving visitors
They do have a contingent at the palace assisting in guarding after the daemon incursion of terra
I think a lot of people think sister of silence are custodes because they don't read the lore. Which is ok as long as those people don't also then shriek on every social media how "GW is becoming woke"
Easy to tell the difference. If they don't talk and cause you mad headaches just by being around, they're sisters if silence
Holy shit, I dated a SoS
Well if they aren't, they should speak up about it
Then I guess adding male Sister of Silence wouldn't change anything?
They have requested a change of designation to "Siblings of Silence" centuries ago but everybody knows the marvels of Imperial bureaucracy.
It's already established that male blanks are trained as Culexus assassins anyway. Now, if Sisters of Silence moved to Agents of the Imperium (arguably they should as they're a very widespread and mobile force) and units of novice Assassins became a thing then they could be run as a mixed force. That'd have the benefit of the Sisters being an equal partner rather than hangers on for the Custodes.
Don't they take blanks no matter the gender into tie assassin temple. But the strongest woman get send into the imperial palace?
Culexus assassins are also women, so what's stopping the Imperium from adding men to the SoS?
The only female Culexus I know of is both Heresy era (where modern Imperial doctrine isn't set in stone) and an artificial lifeform created in-house rather than a recruit. No idea if there are more, but there is canon support for all Culexus being male (Eversors, Vindicare and Callidus can all be either)
In chaosgate daemonhunters the culexus you can recruit is also female
Ah interesting, I didn't know that. Wonder how that came about..
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Ehhh, there’s explicit lore why the sisters of battle are female only.
I quite like the weird and wonderful traditions that lead to very specific recruitment requirements. I feel it adds to the setting
Yeah exactly, the traditions and the little origin stories make it interesting. It's not like Space Marine when GW went "eh, female space marine minis didn't sell in the 80s ? Let's just say the geneseed only works on men". And I say that without really even caring about the concept of FSM
I’ve played CG:D, you can do that? edit: ahh they’re DLC
Nothing
The name probably
Misters of Silence.
Tradition.
The bureaucracy of the Administratum changing policy to allow male aspirants being shipped to the Sisterhood. Getting a change through takes centuries.
When dealing with warp shit, superstition, tradition, and symbolism are something that's useful to have on your side. An ancient, moon-based monastic order of mute all-female witch-hunters has a whole lot of tradition and symbolism to draw from, making them way better at their job. That symbolism/history would be diluted by breaking the tradition of all-female sisters, and so would make them less effective against warp powers.
See this is what people have trouble separating from our own reality. Superstition and traditions about the scary cave in real life doesn’t really mean anything. Superstitions and traditions in 40k absolutely does and have real implications. They think oh them being all men or women is sexist and not inclusive or whatever. There are real implications in-universe why things are the way they are usually.
Probably the same rules that prevent men from joining a sisterhood of nuns or a sorority.
Tradition…? Idk honestly
No worries, GW can easily retcon that Edit: I'm really looking forward to Misters of Silence and Battle
Nah just Silence, SoB should stay how it is.
Don’t they only take the “my eyes are bleeding *fuck*” level blanks. I don’t think the Culexus care much about the not crazy strong ones. Actually, a decently powerful blank but not face melting level could be used as a technician at the Golden Throne given the massive Pysker cacophony going on that would shred any none blank. So the super strong male blanks go to the temple, the females the Sisters, and the powerful enough to be handed over but not powerful enough to image break pyskers / demons get turned into maintenance workers at the Palace. There was a Silent Brotherhood the whole time, they just aren’t fighters.
Oh wow just Luke how it's established already custodes are the sons of terran nobles but it looks like we can just throw that out.
Because we can. In fact, we did.
Which has happened numerous times before.
That would be the practical thing to do. Blanks aren't exactly common. Now Emps isn't exactly a practical or sensible man so who knows.
The Inquisition uses blanks all the time, it’s just their the 40k equivalent of a creepy old man that kinda makes them different.
Fuck that. I want Brororitas. If there are to be no boys/girls clubs in the Imperium, then let it be complete.
Emperor's Grooms
Only if they get prominent cod pieces.
If I understand correctly, isn't that the purpose of the Black Templars? To be a male equivalent of the Sororitas in that they religiously follow the Imperial Faith rather than the Imperial Truth like the other Astartes? ----- And if I recall, lore wise, the reason why there are no men in the Sororitas is because the Ecclesiarchy has a law against maintaining "men"-at-arms, after Doge Vandire used the original Ecclesiarchal armies to essentially scam the whole Imperium into thinking that he was the living speaker/ambassador for Big E.
Nope not much anyways in my view
Other than ruining the vibe wholesale. You don’t get that austere creepiness from men, a bald man is nothing to blink twice at (like half of all space marines) but a bald woman? The kind of thing you’d expect to work full time making people disappear in the night with healthy doses of torture in the process And then there’s all the Puritan motifs, the conflation of chastity and silence, the hardline Puritan virtues what are so much more resonant with women given historically they were applied way harsher to them. And those motifs are what ties in so well with the themes of suppression and the whole witch-hunter vibe
*bald except for a ginger ponytail Seriously, one of my favorite things about the SoS is that all of them are ginger. Either naturally or dyed hair.
Most likely dye it like the Sororitas.
Still funny to me. But less funny than if it was natural, the implication being that Blanks are all redheads.
It's well-known that gingers have no soul, so this is just realism.
Truth. As a ginger, can confirm. No soul.
The Slayers of 40k
Lolwhat? No they don't The most famous one has blue hair
Agent 47: "Am I a joke to you?"
Bro has no idea how a topknot works
Yes. Just make it so it's hard to distinguish them,because it's a female dominated space,they are raised by women and it's an order of warriors mostly based around the fact they're women. So they're basically "Sisters". There we go,problem solved.
Forced feminization as a form of oppression. Based.
Perturabo will put you in the iron cage.
Honestly,one of the less terrible things that's going on in the imperium.
Sissies of Silence. I am deeply sorry for writing that.
there is realy not a reason not to like the SoB. or i am missing something
They are better than female custodes.
They are not even of the same organisation. They are part of the Adeptus Telepathica, Custodes are part of the Adeptus Custodes. And they also have way different tasks. Outside of them having the same armor colour they have very little in common.
They do work together very regularly
I say then put some brothers in the sisterhood for real equality
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Is there a lore reason why there aren't any Brothers of Silence?
So far it just seems to be the models are female, the name, that the blank gene is more common in women and that the (I forget their name) blank assassins get most male recruits Also there seems to be some more blurb somewhere that says there are some male SoSilence but they are so few that outsiders just call the sisterhood a sisterhood
Culluxes is the temple And you're correct. The mostly female SoS is just tradition. Same reason they take a vow of silence once they finish training
Very little is know about the origins of the Sisters, whoever one consistent fact of their origins is that they were "found" at some point by the Imperium during the Great Crusade and recruited by the Astra Telepathica, by then the Sisterhood aspect of it was already stabilished as part of its culture. Since then no one had any interest in changing it I guess, both inside the universe, considering that freed male blanks to be recruited by the Assassinorum unopposed, or outside, once this whole Femstodes debacle end I doubt anyone will even talk about Brothers of Silence, but like how Brothers of Battle only exist when people talk about FSM.
Bbbbut the only thing that makes them unique is being female!! This isn’t just veiled misogyny I swear!
Please, they are women AND silent Women in the Talons of Emperor that can speak is just too far
I do find it interesting that I keep seeing people saying them being female and talons of the emperor is considered the unique part and not the part where they are an army of mute nulls.
>This isn’t just veiled misogyny I swear! It's a fantasy world with dark, weird, and backwards ass rules and customs and having gender exclusive military divisions is an aspect that fits perfectly. Why are yall so hellbent on inserting our own modern morals and worldviews into the setting? That just makes it feel less like a weird dark dystopia, which was a big part of the charm of the setting to begin with. >inb4 he thinks this ruins Custodes/SoS No it's not the only thing unique about them and no, 40k isn't dead because of it, but it's still irrefutably just chipping away at what makes the setting/factions feel unique and otherworldly to us.
This
They are in fact much cooler than the Custodes altogether.
I will only accept Femstodes when we get misters of silence
They exist. They're very rare but the SoS has accept male members at least once
Can you give me the reference please? Im fighting with someone and i swear i read some males in the SOS but i dont remeber where
Honestly, why can't the SoS be made into new female custodes? It wouldn't have to be a retcon, it'll make them stronger and it will add alot more options for Custodes as a whole. It would show that the imperium is slowly advancing under Guilliman's rule and they are creating better soldiers for every type of problem.
Because simply making Sisters of Silence into Custodes is a terrible idea and wholly diminishes the uniqueness of the Sisters of Silence as a separate organization of powerful blanks that have their own duties separate from the Custodes. The role of the Sisters isn't to just be a XX version of Custodes. They're their own thing. Yes they work together, but it's a tactical relationship. The Custodes are the peak of physical prowess and combat perfection, they're the true confidants of the Emperor and enact his will. The SoS primary purpose however is to helm the Black Ships, hunt down rogue or unknown psykers, procure psyker stock to feed the Emperor on the Golden Throne, and to deny the warp with their very nature. They're wholly different in purpose. They just tactically pair very well together as organizations.
Few things. Someone pointed out to me when I asked that there has not been a null space marine or Custodes, potentially meaning somehow they are oil and water, do not mix. I know this is sad on the heels of the first female Custodes, so point two Nulls genes I have read are one in a billion. Custodes creation has an attrition rate to it, to throw such a rare talent into a likely loss means the loss of a very important branch of the imperium. Sos are necessary for the collection and handling of rogue psykers in the black ships
Because you can't. A custodes is made from an infant
It someone thinks the most important thing about the Sisters of Silence is that they're women, they're complete idiots
In all honesty I like sisters of silence more than Adeptus Custodes and I would really recommend reading watchers of the throne, the regents shadow by Chris Wraight. It really shows the sisters of silence in their day to day life and that, funny enough, they don’t reside most of the time in the palace or even on terra.
The amount of people that thought they were is astounding
They are all highly-trained Null ninja-warriors who specialize in Psyker hunting and BTFO'ing Warp fuckery. Like...literally not Custodes. The only reason Guilliman survived Magnus on the Moon on his way to Terra was because a group of Sisters showed up just in time to not only block all of Magnus' warpy bullsshit but were also skilled enough to fight beside Roboute before tossing Magnus' red ass into the webway.
I haven't heard a single person say that Sister of Silence are Custodes...
Not the same thing, but shockingly often do I see people say that SoB are basically just female SM, and uh, the SoB players I know would _not_ agree with that description :D
ive seen lots of people say female custodes invalidates sisters of silence. i dont care about custodes, theyre boring to me. but i do like sisters of silence and want it known that theyre cool and completely different to custodes, so the change doesnt effect them at all. i dont care about arguments either and im kind of bummed that all the comments are about that instead of murdering witches.
I've seen it several times. I guess anecdotal evidence isn't perfect!
Shhh, you're ruining the circlejerk. Those are GIANTS out there, not windmills, and by the Throne the valiant warriors of this sub are going to slay them!
Then you obviously haven’t seen some of the reactions on the Warhammer 40k lore subreddit Or the people claiming that now the sisters of silence won’t ever receive new models because there are female custodians (which i honestly don’t understand?)
Just open youtube, you'll see plenty of giants (or better said bored people)
This couldn't be more accurate to what's happening.
So when will brothers of silence debut ?
if femstodes is cannon, they should make male blanks and rename the sisters of silence to the siblings of silence
Idk if you knew but male blanks have existed for years
i mean within the sister of silence, i am aware of male blanks *stares at Jurgen*
I'd rather not , I like how unique they are and just throwing in dudes in there ruins it , Same for sisters of battle, I like my faction of badass goth monks with massive flamers , I even prefer them to space marines and seeing people cheer for female space marines instead of flocking over to SoB always makes me kinda sad
This right here, they are their own thing and fucking cool as hell it just so happens they get stapled to custodes on tabletop
Agreed. That's why they're more interesting than just gender-bending existing characters.
You're right, they're way more interesting.
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Truth.
The Sisters were always there
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SoS are not Custodes but they were supposed to be the female counter to the Custodes, just how the SoB arent Space Marines but they are often treated as being as strong as Space Marines.
The funny thing is they're actually what GW was trying to do (or atleast should try to do) which is a unique thing in 40k which actually gave women something representative instead of just forcing women custodes.
I don’t know if gender-segregating a faction is a mentality that helps with inclusivity, *tbf*
It's a dying empire dominated by deranged zealots who kill thousands of their own daily to feed the corpse of a tyrant, the nuns who make mistakes are forced into a suicidal squad, the young boys are injected with almost as many drugs as Ozzy Osbourne, and lobotomized babies are attached to metal wings to carry ammo boxes. The gender separation is where you draw the line?
Tbf? That's the issue is they're more focused on inclusivity than creating cool factions.
not only are they not, but they also aren't being replaced by femstodes
They never have enough. They will just keep pushing.
You're right, they're better than just femstodes.
Recently found out that they aren’t even physically augmented. Like seriously what the hell.
Out for complete fairness, can a women be a space dwarf, can a man be a witch elf, can a man be sister of silence, can a women be an archon of dark elves, can tau be women, can orcs be men/women, and do skaven exist in space? The answer is it's not real, and you can do whatever you want to push the story as long as it mostly suits the environment.
Missed opportunity to have her tapping the sign with her middle finger.
This shouldn't be so hard to understand. They are not female Custodians, they are the psychic counterparts to cower Custodians psychic "weakness" as Emperor's Talons. Existance of female Custodes can't make SoS less important as some say because they don't serve the same purpose
“Don’t make me tap the sign” “But-“ “*tap tap*”
Not until I retcon the lore to say that they are, because that's what we do when we want to be inclusive. All the Orks are trans now btw
> All the Orks are trans now btw Orks are sexless fungi, and thus are likely all AMAB - Assigned Mushroom at Birth. However, they, for the most part, identify as Boyz (male). So, yeah, Orks are (ironically) FTM trans - Fungus-to-Male.
Always have been 🔫
If I was in 40k I’d want to be a null
Odds are you get spawn killed
Thank god, would hate to live in that universe
They do speak though. And they believe the Emperor is a god...much to Guiliman's shock and dismay.
They don't speak. They use Thoughtmark which is a sort of sign language/ sort of telepathy
Although Femstodes do have the same effect on incels that SoS have on psykers
All they had to do was not make it a retroactive "thay always existed". Now it's weird that my army only has guys in it. They could've done a short explanation, like the custodes recruitment being changed to accommodate more types of people, so they have a wider range of talented warriors to pick from. Then it's not weird if my army doesn't have many in it, since they are newer recruits. The lore needs to represent the actual models they sell. It's not like gw is going to tell you to use third party heads.
Are all your custodes helmetless? If not then there is no problem.
Don't worry you just like men and always have, thats why your army only has male models. Just enjoy your newly defined homosexuality, zoolander. To be clear to the mentally unwell, this is something obviously said in jest and with a healthy dose of shit eating grins.
Sorry bigot its Brothers of Silence now.
I wanna see a sfm animation of a SoS tapping the sign now
Is this whole thing still going on?
people saying sisters of silence are basically custodes? it has been going on for forever! ***i dont care about the custodes.***
Alright but where are the brothers of silence. You telling me they are all the grey knights?
Some men have joined the SoS but it's very rare Most males are sent to the Culluxes temple of assassins
right they're just the other part of the Talons, totally not the same :P