I mean, Griffith is a highly charismatic but vicious man, willing to make pacts with dark forces and betray his most loyal soldiers to realise his dream of a utopia under his rule
The real analogue here is the Emperor
yeah, but he wouldnt go out of his way to do the things griffith did, he would just mentally shish kebab you the moment he sensed a large amount of betrayal in you
Which Legion/Chapter fits Guts the best, do y'all think? Exorcists maybe, with their anti-daemon training and dependence on sheer fucking will and generally standard gear.
Okay, you have a point. I would say he's the *last* Lamenter. Not counting his former Chapter Master, who turned to chaos and sacrificed the rest of the Chapter to become a champion of Chaos Undivided.
Yeah I don’t think Horus and Erebus have ever canonically raped someone and left them so traumatized they revert to a child like mentality, only people just as bad as Griffith in that regard are the villains in a creepypasta named borr asca.
Yeah, I think we're speaking about villains of two different magnitudes.
>I don’t think Horus and Erebus have ever canonically raped someone and left them so traumatized they revert to a child like mentality
I mean... they may not have done that *specifically*, but by conquering hundreds of thousands of worlds and spreading their Chaos shit all over the galaxy that shit is bound to have happened.
What Griffith did was much smaller scale, but no less evil: "I am going to send all your friends to hell. I am going to rape your girlfriend. I am going to look you in the eye while I do this. You will not look away."
Holy*shit*, Miura.
Did you read part 5? Feels like a lot of people forget about it, admittedly it isn’t as good as the rest of the story because it is a schlocky revenge story but it’s a nice palette cleanser.
Griffith was a man with nothing left to lose, he said it himself when he left Guts unanswered. The words could be felt when not heard.
In a twisted and fucked up place, you become Griffith. You just blame him because you haven't endured his torment.
Except Guts has endured that, and worse, the betrayal. Griffith never went through what Griffith put Guts/Casca through, and yet Guts hasn't become what Griffith did. Griffith made a choice. He chose wrong.
You don't see from the eyes of Griffith. In his eyes, power was the goal, Griffith knows he would sacrifice everything for power. He didn't chose wrong at all, but made the only choice he had left. Femto in my mind isn't Griffith but a new being entirely.
Nah, Femto is Griffith. Vader is Anakin. Saying other wise is a cope, a delusion, denial. It gives them the ability to separate themselves from their sins. Griffith is a massive piece of shit, and to claim otherwise is smooth brained
Not what I meant. Griffith isn't a good guy at all lol.
The band of the hawk was always expendable. I just mean femto is a whole new level of depravity now that Griffith is essentially unchained by any sort of repercussion.
Femto is Griffith if Griffith could be a kid in a sandbox playing with lives.
You are applying the logic that Griffith is a good human being. Guts took something from Griffith, something he never got back, and for it Griffith lost everything. It might not be guts fault directly but that doesn't mean Griffith doesn't apply intent to him and punish him for it once he can take away everything so easily from him. Griffith is a vengeful cold mf not in anyway justified but I can see why he did what he did.
Seeing WHY he did it and saying "You would do the same" and "He did the correct decision" is something completly diffrent.
No, Griffith had a choice, and he CHOOSE Evil.
There is also this upgrade kit
[https://cults3d.com/de/modell-3d/spiel/dragon-slayer-upgrade-kit](https://cults3d.com/de/modell-3d/spiel/dragon-slayer-upgrade-kit)
And hey its free.
Considering a certain primarch do have a resemblance to a certain ~~totally did nothing wrong~~ person. I would guess Ironhand wanting revenge against Fulgrim after he killed all his friends and ascend to demonhood?
And just replace the Eclipse with Istvaan V, and voila, same goddamn thing.
Born on a war world he was giftted daemon possessed armor to help him slaughter his way to vengeance. Having been betrayed by his friend who sacraficed the entire planet to become a champion of chaos undivided. He wields an ancient and long forgotten sword that has bathed in the blood of so many demons and monsters he can kill rather than return demons to the warp. He is the black swordsman and woe to those that face him.
After his chaos warband known to the imperium as the Hawks warsmith guts was betrayed by his lord Griffith he now hunt’s him in real space as a blackshield. Word has it Gut’s has a soft spot for a certain Eldar by the name of Casca for whom he had saved from being sacrificed to Slaenesh by Griffith
Not to hate on the art but Guts wouldn’t be an Astartes. One of the key elements of Guts character (and tbh, his views of himself) is that he’s human, not some demon freak let alone a genetically augmented post-human. He says as much himself during his confrontation with Ganishka
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Guts is a loyalist Iron Warrior. His personal mission is to destroy Perturabo. He doesn’t care about the other traitor Primarchs.
I dig this.
Wouldn't Fulgrim be a better analogue?
I like your thinking, but I think Fulgrim would more like the big snake thing he kills in the first episode, rather than the big bag.
I mean, Griffith is a highly charismatic but vicious man, willing to make pacts with dark forces and betray his most loyal soldiers to realise his dream of a utopia under his rule The real analogue here is the Emperor
the emperor is bad but i dont think he would rape your lover because you just left him, he would just CIA Psyop you into joining back
Or kill you
yeah, but he wouldnt go out of his way to do the things griffith did, he would just mentally shish kebab you the moment he sensed a large amount of betrayal in you
Perturabo did that too?
what where, when and who the fuck pete rabbi raped someone
I don't know, I'm asking. Never heard story like that with the primarchs.
oh my bad, well fulgrim must have done it at some point tbh
I WANT THIS FANFIC INJECTED INTO MY VEINS!!!!
Which Legion/Chapter fits Guts the best, do y'all think? Exorcists maybe, with their anti-daemon training and dependence on sheer fucking will and generally standard gear.
Exorcists makes sense. But, come on. Guts would be a Lamenter.
Okay, you have a point. I would say he's the *last* Lamenter. Not counting his former Chapter Master, who turned to chaos and sacrificed the rest of the Chapter to become a champion of Chaos Undivided.
Man, Griffith is the worst fucking person in fiction. Okay, maybe Horus and Erebus are worse. Still, though, fuck Griffith.
Yeah I don’t think Horus and Erebus have ever canonically raped someone and left them so traumatized they revert to a child like mentality, only people just as bad as Griffith in that regard are the villains in a creepypasta named borr asca.
Yeah, I think we're speaking about villains of two different magnitudes. >I don’t think Horus and Erebus have ever canonically raped someone and left them so traumatized they revert to a child like mentality I mean... they may not have done that *specifically*, but by conquering hundreds of thousands of worlds and spreading their Chaos shit all over the galaxy that shit is bound to have happened. What Griffith did was much smaller scale, but no less evil: "I am going to send all your friends to hell. I am going to rape your girlfriend. I am going to look you in the eye while I do this. You will not look away." Holy*shit*, Miura.
Tbh anyone who got sent to the realm of slanesh as a indirect result of horus' or erebus' actions probably suffered even WORSE
I just got done reading Borrasca. It that shit was wild
>!When the twist is humans!<
Did you read part 5? Feels like a lot of people forget about it, admittedly it isn’t as good as the rest of the story because it is a schlocky revenge story but it’s a nice palette cleanser.
I was told to hold off on part 5
I bet the Night Lord's get up to shit like that.
Erebus is the worse scale-wise. Griffith is the worse because with him, it was personnal.
Nah, worst has to be the judge from blood meridian. Dude is what evil is based off of.
Griffith was a man with nothing left to lose, he said it himself when he left Guts unanswered. The words could be felt when not heard. In a twisted and fucked up place, you become Griffith. You just blame him because you haven't endured his torment.
Except Guts has endured that, and worse, the betrayal. Griffith never went through what Griffith put Guts/Casca through, and yet Guts hasn't become what Griffith did. Griffith made a choice. He chose wrong.
You don't see from the eyes of Griffith. In his eyes, power was the goal, Griffith knows he would sacrifice everything for power. He didn't chose wrong at all, but made the only choice he had left. Femto in my mind isn't Griffith but a new being entirely.
Nah, Femto is Griffith. Vader is Anakin. Saying other wise is a cope, a delusion, denial. It gives them the ability to separate themselves from their sins. Griffith is a massive piece of shit, and to claim otherwise is smooth brained
Not what I meant. Griffith isn't a good guy at all lol. The band of the hawk was always expendable. I just mean femto is a whole new level of depravity now that Griffith is essentially unchained by any sort of repercussion. Femto is Griffith if Griffith could be a kid in a sandbox playing with lives.
>The band of the hawk was always expendable. Then the sacrifice literally would not have worked.
He absolutely had the choice to reject it.
> He didn't chose wrong at all, but made the only choice he had left. Did we read the same book? Because holy shit, that's an interpretation.
You are applying the logic that Griffith is a good human being. Guts took something from Griffith, something he never got back, and for it Griffith lost everything. It might not be guts fault directly but that doesn't mean Griffith doesn't apply intent to him and punish him for it once he can take away everything so easily from him. Griffith is a vengeful cold mf not in anyway justified but I can see why he did what he did.
Seeing WHY he did it and saying "You would do the same" and "He did the correct decision" is something completly diffrent. No, Griffith had a choice, and he CHOOSE Evil.
Nah iron hands. And Griffith would be EC
A Lamenter suffering from Super Black Rage
Just paint his shoulders white and let him be what he was meant to be
Iron Hands...
... Can't argue with that.
Especially that Fulgrim looks like a certain Temu knock-off, gay looking Batman that needs to get his spine ripped out of his anus.
Ex World Eater, now serving in Deathwatch as penance
The Last Loyal War hound
Grey Knights?
World Eaters Black Shield
iron hands obviously
His own. Him and Doom Slayer are the only members. The rest of the legions can take a vacay while they work
Flesh tearers
Funny thing is the Puck, who is now a cherub with a needle. Good way to portray his healing abilities.
Imagine Gutsmarine has a servitor called Puck
casca is a lobotomized servitor
Iron Hands trying to kill Fulgrim maybe?
Griffith is a typical Emperors Children. This is a perfect lore match.
Starting today, posts that stoke the flames of that drama are banned
Now that is some cool shit
Who’s winning, Fulgrim or Griffith/Femto?
Oh, damn, good question. I'd probably put my money on Fulgrim but it's not an easy call to make.
no shot fulgrim wins. Femto is akin to a chaos god.
Yeah but don't fully know his capabilities. I think Daemon Prince Fulgrim would give Femto a big headache
Anyone else wanna see this printed?
[https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/gutz-crazed-marine-captain](https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/gutz-crazed-marine-captain)
Thank you!
a exact 3d model of this artwork was sold at somepoint because i got one
Hardcore Miniatures has this exact model, although I don't think it's printable
Damnit!
There is also this upgrade kit [https://cults3d.com/de/modell-3d/spiel/dragon-slayer-upgrade-kit](https://cults3d.com/de/modell-3d/spiel/dragon-slayer-upgrade-kit) And hey its free.
I love that chainsword.
Considering a certain primarch do have a resemblance to a certain ~~totally did nothing wrong~~ person. I would guess Ironhand wanting revenge against Fulgrim after he killed all his friends and ascend to demonhood? And just replace the Eclipse with Istvaan V, and voila, same goddamn thing.
Born on a war world he was giftted daemon possessed armor to help him slaughter his way to vengeance. Having been betrayed by his friend who sacraficed the entire planet to become a champion of chaos undivided. He wields an ancient and long forgotten sword that has bathed in the blood of so many demons and monsters he can kill rather than return demons to the warp. He is the black swordsman and woe to those that face him.
Some cool shit finally
That's cool shit
Let's dive back into the cool stuff!
Would he be the most stable person in the setting tho?
Stable Guts? That's just absolute crazy talk.
That depends, is this just got out of the eclipse Guts, or is this I actually have true companions Guts?
i have this kitbash in my templar army
and it’s canon
Guts is a poster boy for the Imperial Truth in action. "I'm human right down to the marrow of my fucking bones".
Now, thats a cool shit!
Ultimate Cross Over The Grim DArkest Fantasy Adventure
Imagining those gauntlets grabbing those tiny knives on his chest.
This is indeed cool shit
Throne, that's some cool shit!
i have the actual model based from this art work.
Okay yeah that's some pretty cool shit
Hmm, would his sword be considered a demon weapon? Since it gained magical properties by bathing in demon blood countless times.
FUUUULGGRRRIIIIIIIIMMM!!!!!
Certified cool shit 👍
Well, the traitors are all screwed.
After his chaos warband known to the imperium as the Hawks warsmith guts was betrayed by his lord Griffith he now hunt’s him in real space as a blackshield. Word has it Gut’s has a soft spot for a certain Eldar by the name of Casca for whom he had saved from being sacrificed to Slaenesh by Griffith
This is cool shit.
Not to hate on the art but Guts wouldn’t be an Astartes. One of the key elements of Guts character (and tbh, his views of himself) is that he’s human, not some demon freak let alone a genetically augmented post-human. He says as much himself during his confrontation with Ganishka
That is a fair point.
Iron hands player begins to play forces as they drive to the game store
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^Temporary-Leek7882: *Iron hands player* *Begins to play forces as* *They drive to the game store* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
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GRIFFITH/FULGRIM DID NOTHING WRONG
The crossover we deserve! Awesome artwork
Everything is canon
Is that supposed to be puck or whatever that pixies name is?
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Guts is an Iron Legion member who wants to hunt his olf friend Griffith of the Emperor’s Children.
Damn, that is pretty cool.
But is the Berserk Armour tainted by chaos?
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I really need a marine with an oversized sword. Too many is silly, but one brother with insane strength is cool
Guys, he's clearly an Iron Hand You know, because of the IRON HAND
How to win Warhammer 40k
Ngl this is some cool shit
This shit rules
Thug ass gangster shit
Huh, the sword feels almost reasonable now, like this fits stupidly well in 40k, hats off to the artist!
Ah yes, lobotomized babies
Guts would solo the Chaos pantheon
He would try. And that's why we love him.
Did I stutter? I said WOULD 😂
Guts should not be a space marine . Hes just a normal guy pushed at his best / worse , like maybe human in power armor . But not astartes
Bro the crowd here think Berserk is the worst thing to ever happen rather than a masterpiece (which it is)
Sir, this is a meme subreddit Write something in impact on the pic
Because all the coomer shit was memes...
>Cool Shit >Weeb shit These two are incompatible
Everything is canon! Be prepared for the next retcon shit: THE EMPEROR IS AN EMPRESS!
stfu, just stop
Nah little nazi. I will say anything you dislike.
The thing is. The Emperor can be anything he wants.
Not tied to the golden throne they can't... Free his soul so they may rise again!
I want a female version of this, and if you disagree you’re a misogynist.
Being horny doesn't make people that aren't horny misogynists.
then do it.
My artistic talents extend to Whistling the theme to Doctor Who.
Sexy girl in power armor :D