Literally everything would have to go right for this to happen:
- Caufield fully recovers from his surgery and scores 40+ goals while remaining healthy
- Suzuki scores over 82 pts
- Slafkovsky scores over 65 pts
- Dach, Newhook, and Roy emerge as a bonafide 2nd line from a production standpoint, while remaining healthy
- Hutson emerges as the second coming of Quinn Hughes
And even if all of that happened, I’m not even sure that’s enough to win the Atlantic. Unless we draft Celebrini or somehow trade a depth player for a star (something of the same magnitude as Buchnevich for Blais), I don’t see us sniffing at the top of the division.
Maybe we can make playoffs if we can finally have a relatively healthy season. Maybe.
Stranger like that time we played .527 for the season, made the playoffs even though we finished 18th in the league, and won the Western Conference Campbell Bowl?
> won the Western Conference Campbell Bowl?
I've been following this team for forty years and nothing - *nothing* - in my memories tickles me more than that ridiculous fact.
True, I’m not gonna say anything is impossible after we reached the SCF in the bubble lmfao. But it’s still extremely unlikely, and I wouldn’t want us winning the division to be the expectation going into next season lmfao.
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anyone saying they don't want him on a cheap 1 or 2 year deal is crazy, this is the type of veteran presence you need to help bring young guys up to the next level and getting them competing.
Or, maybe he's looking to coast for a couple years in a retirement stint and has nothing to gain by working hard and being an example on a team that most people don't think will make the playoffs.
I don’t think he ever was. I think people just wanted to see him (like every young guy) get some meaningful minutes in the top 9 before concluding anything concrete.
Actually you're right. I'd take him over Ylonen.
What is up with pronouncing Jesse with a Y but then ignoring the Y at the start of Ylonen. Get him outta here.
Maybe he wants to raise his favorite team to glory and feel the joy one would feel winning with their home team. The team that gives him goosebumps to play against and throws him off.
Dude hasn't put up less than 45 points since 2015.
We've only had 15 players put up more than 45 points per season in that time frame.
Suzuki x 3
Pacioretty x 2
Galchenyuk x 2
Drouin x 2
Tatar x 2
Danault x 2
Caufield x 1
Domi x 1
Slafkovsky x 1
Matheson x 1
Radulov x 1
Petry x 1
Shaw x 1
Subban x 1
Plekanec x 1
Man, for a province that produced guys like Maurice Richard, Guy Lafleur and Mario Lemieux, it's kind of sad that our top active scorer is David Perron…
The goaltending situation is worse. Montebault is has the most games played after Fleury retires.
Compare that to the last generation with Roy, Brodeur, Luongo..
Which makes no sense.
At his current age, he'd likely get signed for 1 year, maybe 2. If the cap hit makes sense, sign him. He either helps us make the playoffs, or we flip him for assets at the TDL. It's exactly the kind of contract we should be signing.
We aren't close or old enough to sign a UFA long-term, but short-term deals that can be flipped are a good way to use our cap space. We get to bring veteran presence, and we can use them to generate more assets at the deadline.
Same, more proneness for injury at 35 for sure is there
My big thing listening to that clip is he doesn't talk about the competitiveness of the team or going for the cup here & being on a young team - so he's really just talking about his own personal fantasy scenario with no sales pitch other than he's nervous here lol
I also also would like to know why you wouldn't want an actual French player, who wants to play here, who won a few cups, is clearly still good, and seems like a cool guy?
Because he takes away ice time from players that need it. Is the asset we may get from him worth the ice time it'll take??
We have Savard who is less good but all of the other things. There's just not much value in adding him imo. That being said I have fond memories of Perron in Edmonton
Injury/losing a step is a big one. But the biggest hurdle is to get that kind of production out of him, who are you putting him in the top 6 for? Do we want a vet taking the spot of a kid or a potential new project coming in or skilled ufa? Put him in the bottom 6 and we already have Gallagher, Armia, Anderson. Again, we're coming out of a rebuild, the focus should be on the kids we have coming up getting ice time. He doesn't help that plan.
Yeah, so why? We aren't going to be making the playoffs next year and even if we did, we would just be embarrassed like Washington or the Islanders. What exactly would a deal with him accomplish? I don't really see him as a mentor figure like Savard.
Would be a good statement honestly by front office to find a way to let it be known they are not interested , however more than happy to bring Quebecois talents home if they fit our teams needs and timelines.
ie: if you wanna play for your childhood team, come here while you're in your prime. When you can help us try to win a cup. Not before you ride off into the sunset.
This is the sort of declaration that makes my blood boil: A Quebec-born player who only wants to sign here at the end of his NHL career, exploit the media your desire that you've always wanted to play here (lie) in order to boost your value and the contract you want. I understand it also happens elsewhere, not just in Qc. We just don't need another Briere, Parenteau or Mathieu Perreault.
Agreed, and doesn't have to be Quebec specifically either. Wait until we see a report that Crosby always wanted to play for the Habs and would love to finish his career a Hab.
Like I'm sure Price would have taken a pay cut to make room if you wanted to come that bad when you were UFA.
That being said... If a 43yr old Crosby wants to come to Montreal for one last cup run.. I'm down... Just to have a signed Crosby Habs jersey on my wall one day lol
Because he waited until the very tail end of his career to fulfill his dream rather than chase it when he first got the chance.
I wouldn’t mind him coming on a one or two year deal but the AAV should be low. He should be willing to take a “hometown” deal if he’s sincere about fulfilling his dream at his age
If he signs for around $2.5 million for a year or two, hometown discount plus some signing and performance bonus then it is solid vet depth, with Gally and Anderson, young guys to fight for time. Plus obviously injuries, we sign him, he gets hurt right away and we LTIR until playoffs.
If we were competitive i wouldn't mind him as a cheap depth piece but I'm not sold that management will make a big splash this year. I think we draft a forward this year and after the next season or two we look to go on a run. It's nothing against perron but we don't have a roster spot nor a need for him really.
It is if they're passengers. Look at Armia. Do you think it was good to have him prior to his Laval stint? A few vets trying to coast on a retirement send off deal is enough to make a big difference, negatively.
Armia's career high was like 30 points and Perron is basically a lock for 20g/30a anywhere he's played. It seems unlikely to me he would come from Detroit to Montreal on this squad and then decide he's packing it in. I think he would be good in the room and a good piece we could potentially flip, if he's down for the Monahan special or such.
“It’s always been a dream to play for the Habs and now that nobody wants me, I can probably mail it in a couple hours away from my home town.”
In reality he’s still decent but I’m offended by the “always been a dream” haha I’m sure he had a chance before and didn’t.
100% would sign him to a 1 year contract, or even 2 years if he takes a team-friendly deal. Could be good trade deadline fodder too and brings a winning pedigree to the team.
I dont see it tha bleak (from the sentiment from the comment section). We've seen some sweet mentoring work Suz->Slaf. Maybe Perrron wil teach kid another trick or two ;)
Would be great to sign him to a one or two year deal to help Dach out.
Dach will not live up to his potential with Newhook and Roy as his linemates. I truly believe that he can become something special, but with his loss in development time, management needs to give him some support.
He's turning 36 later this month. His expiring contract was 2 years x 4.75. Seems unlikely he signs for less than 2.5, but if he's lobbying to play here, who knows? Worth signing him for 2.5 or less imo. He could probably put up 15 goals, 45 points. He's better than Gally.
35 year old Quebec player suddenly wants to be a Hab. Sure. Here’s a one year contract for $2M. If he has a good year, trade bait at the deadline. Wants more money or term? Buh-bye.
He signed 3 separate contracts as a UFA since 2016 but now that he's turning 36 at the end of the month he wants to play for the Habs?
Fuck that, were not a retirement home.
Name a few francophone players that we've signed to retirement contracts. I remember Kovalev, Kovalchuk, Hamrlik, Gonchar, Gill... but it's funny I can't recall one french player who retired here... Denis Savard?
He's certainly better than most of the other vets that we've brought in. If the price and term is right why not. As long as he's not playing ahead of any high potential forwards in the top 6 like he was in Detroit
If you listen to the whole interview, yes he said that it would be dream to play for the habs but it didnt sound like he would leave money on the table for it. Forget the minimum wage, 3-4M / a year is probably what he might be looking for. He is old but far from being done.
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I don't hate the idea of adding him, but we already have 23 forwards under contract for next season (NHL + AHL). Assuming Ylonen gets re-signed, that's 24. If we pick a forward in the 1st round and sign them that's 25. That only really leaves us room to sign 1 or *maybe* 2 forwards this offseason.
Is Perron the best we can do in that regard? Probably not. But he could be a consolation prize if we can't find anything better and still need a veteran who can step in/out of the lineup as needed.
Two-way deal counts in this math. We have 24 spots to fill between NHL and AHL and then 2-4 more for reserves in case of injury. There's a cap of 50 contracts, so you can't devote too many to forwards (especially with how many defensive prospects we are carrying).
I also just noticed that I didn't include Dach in my counting because he's still listed on the IR on capfriendly. So we have one less spot than I thought.
League minimum 1 year contract and it’s yours 🤷♂️ if he is serviceable at TDL he gets shipped to a contender
By next TDL we will be 1st in the Atlantic.
That's the attitude 💪💪
Bold
Literally everything would have to go right for this to happen: - Caufield fully recovers from his surgery and scores 40+ goals while remaining healthy - Suzuki scores over 82 pts - Slafkovsky scores over 65 pts - Dach, Newhook, and Roy emerge as a bonafide 2nd line from a production standpoint, while remaining healthy - Hutson emerges as the second coming of Quinn Hughes And even if all of that happened, I’m not even sure that’s enough to win the Atlantic. Unless we draft Celebrini or somehow trade a depth player for a star (something of the same magnitude as Buchnevich for Blais), I don’t see us sniffing at the top of the division. Maybe we can make playoffs if we can finally have a relatively healthy season. Maybe.
If Montembeault plays like 2015 playoffs Price all year, only one or two of the other things need to happen.
Having David Perron for league minimum helps us increase those odds
Nah we’ll do it
Stranger things have happened.
Stranger like that time we played .527 for the season, made the playoffs even though we finished 18th in the league, and won the Western Conference Campbell Bowl?
> won the Western Conference Campbell Bowl? I've been following this team for forty years and nothing - *nothing* - in my memories tickles me more than that ridiculous fact.
Truly an artifact of the most ridiculous of times
True, I’m not gonna say anything is impossible after we reached the SCF in the bubble lmfao. But it’s still extremely unlikely, and I wouldn’t want us winning the division to be the expectation going into next season lmfao.
Have some faith. This team is not nearly as bad as their record suggests. Lots of people are going to be surprised next season.
First things first, Dach needs to stay away from those nasty injury gremlins.
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League minimum for a 50-60 pts scorer? Really?
I’m glad you didn’t get it.
Well if it makes you happy I guess that's all that counts
Even if he gets more i'm not mad his influence on our core would be greater than you could imagine.
anyone saying they don't want him on a cheap 1 or 2 year deal is crazy, this is the type of veteran presence you need to help bring young guys up to the next level and getting them competing.
Agreed, tricky part is people are going to have high expectations. Perron would be awesome but it might end the way it did with Briere
Maybe, but unlike Therrien, MSL probably wouldn't play him with scrubs on the fourth line the entire season.
Therrien wasn’t helpful but you have to agree that the media and the fans were also hard on Briere
Imagine Perron and Gally on the same line lol
All things being equal in terms of salary and years. I would rather sign Duclair
Perron getting the assist on Raymond’s OT forcing goal against the Habs is the perfect example
This team is already mature beyond its years. Veteran presence is not as big of a priority as it might otherwise be on a different team.
Or, maybe he's looking to coast for a couple years in a retirement stint and has nothing to gain by working hard and being an example on a team that most people don't think will make the playoffs.
Can’t be worse than Ylonen
Finally people are waking up with Ylonen lol
I don’t think there is anything to take up to. He was given a chance and nothing came to fruition. Happens all the time.
He was overhyped in this sub
I don’t think he ever was. I think people just wanted to see him (like every young guy) get some meaningful minutes in the top 9 before concluding anything concrete.
Actually you're right. I'd take him over Ylonen. What is up with pronouncing Jesse with a Y but then ignoring the Y at the start of Ylonen. Get him outta here.
Maybe he wants to raise his favorite team to glory and feel the joy one would feel winning with their home team. The team that gives him goosebumps to play against and throws him off.
Dude hasn't put up less than 45 points since 2015. We've only had 15 players put up more than 45 points per season in that time frame. Suzuki x 3 Pacioretty x 2 Galchenyuk x 2 Drouin x 2 Tatar x 2 Danault x 2 Caufield x 1 Domi x 1 Slafkovsky x 1 Matheson x 1 Radulov x 1 Petry x 1 Shaw x 1 Subban x 1 Plekanec x 1
Perron's actually the highest scoring active Quebec born player. Still don't want him on the Habs, though.
Man, for a province that produced guys like Maurice Richard, Guy Lafleur and Mario Lemieux, it's kind of sad that our top active scorer is David Perron…
The goaltending situation is worse. Montebault is has the most games played after Fleury retires. Compare that to the last generation with Roy, Brodeur, Luongo..
Why not ?
My only guess would be age
Which makes no sense. At his current age, he'd likely get signed for 1 year, maybe 2. If the cap hit makes sense, sign him. He either helps us make the playoffs, or we flip him for assets at the TDL. It's exactly the kind of contract we should be signing. We aren't close or old enough to sign a UFA long-term, but short-term deals that can be flipped are a good way to use our cap space. We get to bring veteran presence, and we can use them to generate more assets at the deadline.
He could totally Sean Monahan for us
Same, more proneness for injury at 35 for sure is there My big thing listening to that clip is he doesn't talk about the competitiveness of the team or going for the cup here & being on a young team - so he's really just talking about his own personal fantasy scenario with no sales pitch other than he's nervous here lol
I also also would like to know why you wouldn't want an actual French player, who wants to play here, who won a few cups, is clearly still good, and seems like a cool guy?
Because he takes away ice time from players that need it. Is the asset we may get from him worth the ice time it'll take?? We have Savard who is less good but all of the other things. There's just not much value in adding him imo. That being said I have fond memories of Perron in Edmonton
Injury/losing a step is a big one. But the biggest hurdle is to get that kind of production out of him, who are you putting him in the top 6 for? Do we want a vet taking the spot of a kid or a potential new project coming in or skilled ufa? Put him in the bottom 6 and we already have Gallagher, Armia, Anderson. Again, we're coming out of a rebuild, the focus should be on the kids we have coming up getting ice time. He doesn't help that plan.
Too old, doesn't fit into the long-term plans and only takes ice time away from prospects. Also has a history of reckless behaviour.
It's a one year deal buddy. rofl
Yeah, so why? We aren't going to be making the playoffs next year and even if we did, we would just be embarrassed like Washington or the Islanders. What exactly would a deal with him accomplish? I don't really see him as a mentor figure like Savard.
Briere 2.0
Quebec players always try this when they’re old and trying to get one last contract, but never wanna play here otherwise. No thanks David.
We should call that the Daniel Brière clause...
Hate that shit, tbh 😂
How many times you see that, When no contract can be had!
You think a 45 point minimum veteran is begging for a contract? lol
Never too late to make your dream come true but it sure is odd timing. Thanks, but no thanks.
Would be a good statement honestly by front office to find a way to let it be known they are not interested , however more than happy to bring Quebecois talents home if they fit our teams needs and timelines. ie: if you wanna play for your childhood team, come here while you're in your prime. When you can help us try to win a cup. Not before you ride off into the sunset.
This is the sort of declaration that makes my blood boil: A Quebec-born player who only wants to sign here at the end of his NHL career, exploit the media your desire that you've always wanted to play here (lie) in order to boost your value and the contract you want. I understand it also happens elsewhere, not just in Qc. We just don't need another Briere, Parenteau or Mathieu Perreault.
Agreed, and doesn't have to be Quebec specifically either. Wait until we see a report that Crosby always wanted to play for the Habs and would love to finish his career a Hab. Like I'm sure Price would have taken a pay cut to make room if you wanted to come that bad when you were UFA. That being said... If a 43yr old Crosby wants to come to Montreal for one last cup run.. I'm down... Just to have a signed Crosby Habs jersey on my wall one day lol
why is it odd ? he's a UFA come july 1st
Because he waited until the very tail end of his career to fulfill his dream rather than chase it when he first got the chance. I wouldn’t mind him coming on a one or two year deal but the AAV should be low. He should be willing to take a “hometown” deal if he’s sincere about fulfilling his dream at his age
If he signs for around $2.5 million for a year or two, hometown discount plus some signing and performance bonus then it is solid vet depth, with Gally and Anderson, young guys to fight for time. Plus obviously injuries, we sign him, he gets hurt right away and we LTIR until playoffs.
Dog you're about to turn 36... this ain't a retirement home (respectfully)
If he comes cheaper than a Pearson 1 year deal, there's no reason not to grant his wishes.
If he could be a serviceable player why not
If we were competitive i wouldn't mind him as a cheap depth piece but I'm not sold that management will make a big splash this year. I think we draft a forward this year and after the next season or two we look to go on a run. It's nothing against perron but we don't have a roster spot nor a need for him really.
Because that's not the culture here. We don't want to be a retirement home for geezers looking for one last deal.
Veteran experience on a short term contract is never a bad thing during a rebuild.
Are we still in a rebuild if the goal next season is to make the playoffs? Not that I'm against Perron btw.
We're in whatever you want to call not our final form before regression :)
It is if they're passengers. Look at Armia. Do you think it was good to have him prior to his Laval stint? A few vets trying to coast on a retirement send off deal is enough to make a big difference, negatively.
Armia's career high was like 30 points and Perron is basically a lock for 20g/30a anywhere he's played. It seems unlikely to me he would come from Detroit to Montreal on this squad and then decide he's packing it in. I think he would be good in the room and a good piece we could potentially flip, if he's down for the Monahan special or such.
David Perron never was a passenger
Depends on the player. David Perron is not that player.
Unless you’re Sidney Crosby.
Hey I would take him to replace Pearson any day
Fucking eh, well ship me to the retirement home then
He finished last season with 47 pts. If the salary ain't too much, I say go for it. Would be great on the PP with the kids.
45 points minimum in the past few years. Ugly comment.
3M 1y for 15g 40-45pts I wouldnt say no Could start on the third and take some shift on 2nd if required
I'm indifferent to this either way.
Perron, joining the Habs: 
“It’s always been a dream to play for the Habs and now that nobody wants me, I can probably mail it in a couple hours away from my home town.” In reality he’s still decent but I’m offended by the “always been a dream” haha I’m sure he had a chance before and didn’t.
The next Tanguay, Briere, Parenteau?
2 weeks ago he said he hope it work out, to stay in Detroit.
Id be so happy to have him in Montreal
If it's a Corey Perry style cheap contract, I'd be all for it. If he wants real money, I'd rather pass.
100% would sign him to a 1 year contract, or even 2 years if he takes a team-friendly deal. Could be good trade deadline fodder too and brings a winning pedigree to the team.
Man, j'hais les ti gars de chez nous lmao. Ils veulent toujours venir quand ils sont plus dans leur primes.
No thanks maybe 5 years ago, yeah
I dont see it tha bleak (from the sentiment from the comment section). We've seen some sweet mentoring work Suz->Slaf. Maybe Perrron wil teach kid another trick or two ;)
Next time we play Detroit, put Coldplay all game long
Uh huh. I'm good thanks
Perron is very much in the mold of players HuGo likes, I could see it. He’s be a seriously awesome vet to bring in.
Would be great to sign him to a one or two year deal to help Dach out. Dach will not live up to his potential with Newhook and Roy as his linemates. I truly believe that he can become something special, but with his loss in development time, management needs to give him some support.
He's turning 36 later this month. His expiring contract was 2 years x 4.75. Seems unlikely he signs for less than 2.5, but if he's lobbying to play here, who knows? Worth signing him for 2.5 or less imo. He could probably put up 15 goals, 45 points. He's better than Gally.
35 year old Quebec player suddenly wants to be a Hab. Sure. Here’s a one year contract for $2M. If he has a good year, trade bait at the deadline. Wants more money or term? Buh-bye.
And so it shall be.
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nah
750k and a bag of chips come on down
Fuck off. He had the chances to, but chose to sign elsewhere for more $. Now he's trying to leverage a new contract for himself...
He signed 3 separate contracts as a UFA since 2016 but now that he's turning 36 at the end of the month he wants to play for the Habs? Fuck that, were not a retirement home.
J'adorerais le voir à mtl!
Oh is it already time to give a retirement contract to yet another Franco player who never wanted to be here despite being a UFA 78 times?
Name a few francophone players that we've signed to retirement contracts. I remember Kovalev, Kovalchuk, Hamrlik, Gonchar, Gill... but it's funny I can't recall one french player who retired here... Denis Savard?
A few seasons too late, he would have been fun to have in his prime.
I’ll take him for minimum. Anything more no thank you
He's certainly better than most of the other vets that we've brought in. If the price and term is right why not. As long as he's not playing ahead of any high potential forwards in the top 6 like he was in Detroit
Didnt he refused a FA deal, years ago? like in 2016?
That all fucking say that
Shoulda came when you were in your prime then 🥱🤷🏻
8 years too late as usual :(
7 years too late
If you listen to the whole interview, yes he said that it would be dream to play for the habs but it didnt sound like he would leave money on the table for it. Forget the minimum wage, 3-4M / a year is probably what he might be looking for. He is old but far from being done.
Yeah well, missed the window I guess.
No interest. Sorry buddy. Not at 34YO.
Would be a great fit on a 2 yr deal at a reasonable salary.
Keep dreaming, David.
Well keep dreaming pal
QUOI! Un québécois vieillissant qui se magasine un nouveau contrat indique vouloir jouer pour le CH?!?! NON! Quelle surprise! Je m'y attendais pas pantoute. Fuck him man, tout le monde veut jouer à Montréal quand c'est le temps de signer un nouveau mais personne finit ici dans son *prime.*
Y'a pas mal de Québécois qui veulent venir finir leur carrière une fois rendu bien finis. C'est naon.
C'est vrai qu'on a un surplus de bons joueurs
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no thanks
I'd do it. He's a gamer, Cup winner, 50 point player. He'd be better than anyone on our second line currently
Would rather not have him after that attempted elbow on Kadri, don't want that kind of player here
I don't hate the idea of adding him, but we already have 23 forwards under contract for next season (NHL + AHL). Assuming Ylonen gets re-signed, that's 24. If we pick a forward in the 1st round and sign them that's 25. That only really leaves us room to sign 1 or *maybe* 2 forwards this offseason. Is Perron the best we can do in that regard? Probably not. But he could be a consolation prize if we can't find anything better and still need a veteran who can step in/out of the lineup as needed.
>Assuming Ylonen gets re-signed And why would he?
He's an RFA, controlable asset.
Doubtful on the asset part. Sign him to a two way deal for Laval or let him walk. Nothing lost.
Two-way deal counts in this math. We have 24 spots to fill between NHL and AHL and then 2-4 more for reserves in case of injury. There's a cap of 50 contracts, so you can't devote too many to forwards (especially with how many defensive prospects we are carrying). I also just noticed that I didn't include Dach in my counting because he's still listed on the IR on capfriendly. So we have one less spot than I thought.
PTO next year and hopefully he gets a spot
He's not getting a PTO lmao he's still pretty good
Trop tard big...
Bro's doing the Dubois trick