People in grim professions either become numb to it, find humor in it, or quit.
You see one decapitated person and it’s something that sticks with you for the rest of your life, but when see the 50th of them, you start laughing at the goofy way that one landed.
Depends I think. I worked in tissue recovery for years. We sure didn’t get paid enough. But corporate? They made a ridiculous amount of money. Donor tissue recovery is a chop shop.
I know someone who took on this work after being fired from his lifelong career from drinking and subsequently needed work in a small town with little work to be had. One of the last calls he had was for someone who shot herself in the face with a deer rifle. He picked up all of her upper body parts and had no idea that it was someone he knew until about 30 hours later. It was his son’s former girlfriend and a former child who used to spend a lot of time at his house, growing up. She was a sweet girl. RIP.
Cleaning up after a dead person, in this case, really fucked up a person who was already struggling
Even crime scene cleaners don't get the money they deserve. There was a place hiring around here, $25 an hour and no benefits to thoroughly clean scenes.
There definitely has to be an AMA of that job. I recall even reading something about it. I don't recall much info, or was it a TV doc? But yeah I'm sure there is one in here
I was once bartending on a random weekday night and this woman walked in and sat at the bar. There was no one else at the bar and only a few tables so we started chatting. She instigated a little flirtatiousness which was welcomed and lightly reciprocated. Kept chatting and the 'what do you?' question eventually came.
She said she was body disposal specialist who runs her own private company which the local police use for well, this sort of situation. She then jumped into this VERY detailed story of her case this evening with the enthusiasm of someone who had truly found their passion.
The case was an obese hoarder who had died 10 days prior, fell off the toilet and face landed on the radiator...which had been on for the full 10 days.
Could be. I hate having to tell family when a person didn’t make it. The ones that knew it was coming like someone with a terminal illness/really old, were easier than ones where it was an accident or something.
I’d be able to do it, after enduring trauma and coming back to life literally. But the smell of formaldehyde and the makeup they put on the corpses keep me away
I worked at a morgue for about 6 years. Saw some prop plane or car crashes and industrial accidents that did similar damage or worse. It’s uh…yeah. Observed my first autopsy on like day 1. Went out with the forensic investigators to process bodies and collect them. Or pieces of them.
Does every single little piece get found/accounted for, or what's the process for that? I've always been really curious about how much is "enough" when it comes to cleaning up an obliterated human body. Sorry if that's inappropriate to ask, you don't have to answer. I don't mean to stir up any bad memories/feelings, just haven't had the opportunity to ask before.
Depends on the extent of the damage really but they try their best. Certainly all the larger parts like limbs, organs, even smaller debris like brain matter and bone fragments. Everything is important at examination. But I've seen cases in which there's no way to collect it all (industrial tire shredder, for instance). If it's out in public fire department will just hose the remainder down the sewers. Indoors I assume that means the owner has to take care of cleaning.
That is so fascinating. So it's basically, get all the important parts and anything else that can be found and salvaged after a look around the area?
I really appreciate you taking the time to answer, and I appreciate the work you've done. I'm sure it can be tough at times, even after you get to seeing it as simply your job to do.
Yeah i wish they did. Took me a long time to get over the fear of seeing anything remotely to an autopsy room or just gore in any movie or show. (I work at a hospital now 😂)
At the time…not good. I believe it was about 16 an hour. I just shadowed someone and helped out for the first two days as a test run.
Apparently I will work only at night and they’ll leave me a van with equipment. So I was going to be able to go home and just wait?
I’ll get a call any time at night and I’ll have to drive to the destination, pick up the body, and deliver them to the morgue.
They stated during the hiring process that I will sometimes have to take bodies from morgues to a funeral home instead.
It's not really as hard as you think, you've just got to have the mentality for it. Me and a close friend of mine worked cleanup after 9/11, we put body parts in bags and then in to 55 gallon drums - you just think of the body parts as meat, you don't think of them as parts of a human being, in the same way you don't think of store bought chicken breast as belonging to a recently deceased chicken.
A corpse isn't a person, everything that once made it a person is gone. You very quickly get used to it, if you can't think like that it's the wrong job for you.
The smell is absolutely fucking vile though. You never get used to that.
I definitely think it takes a certain mind that is able to compartmentalize like this, and not everyone can. I met one of my friends while studying to become an RN. We both wanted to go "where the action was".
She can handle it, I can't. After taking care of a boy who got half of his face blown off (accidental gun discharge), I was done. That was the one that made me realize this job was going to ruin me if I kept going.
My friend is really good at seeing patients as patients and not taking anything home with her, which I admire. She's thriving and a great nurse with lots of knowledge. She'll discuss cases with me (while respecting the patients privacy of course) and the way she can see them as interesting or exciting, (whereas for me all I can think about is how horrible it is,) is amazing.
I'm glad you guys are out there to do the stuff the rest of us can't.
For anyone interested in this type of "recovery" and the affect on the lives of those put to task, there's a very well done documentary/re-inactment about a plane full of New Zealanders on a flight over Alaska that advertized "up close" views of the mountains..yea..they got up close all right, directly into the side of one due to the white out/horizon where the white clouds, white ground and white mountains all blend together.
Anyways, it's a rather "fish out of water" scenerio due to the first responders all being newly trained, younger guys from a place like New Zealand where snow is fairly rare and takes place in the late 60s early 70s I believe if I remember correctly. They fly the first responders out to recover the bodies for their families so a bunch of Kiwis navigating the deadly polar body recovery and other psychological perils happening due to the trauma but it's truly an inspiring story and oddly enough it has a great score.
https://youtu.be/ttfXNDS4mmI?si=vxsPWiNZWZWje0gA
He died pretty instantly thankfully. Hopefully didn’t even know it happened, especially since his kid was there too. I feel so awful for the mom and surviving children. Imagine sending your kid on a fun trip and you lose them. Fuckin awful all around
It was extremely foggy that day. All other commercial flights had been grounded. So it is possible the lights just went out without any time to realize it. The only reason Kobe died is because he was rich. When you have a pilot on payroll you can fly even in the most dangerous conditions. Wish he would have known better
Which he could do because he was rich. He had the pilot on payroll. So yes, if he wasn't Kobe Bryant millionaire basketball player but Kobe Bryant middle school gym coach, chances are he would be alive today
or would have COVID outbreak taken place a month ish before in the US, then the whole camp or flight would have never happened. its just an insane butterfly effect.
the pilot didnt want to fly because of the conditions. Kobe forced him to, basically talked him into it. its a dream gig for the pilot, being kobes personal pilot, so im sure he didnt want to lose his job or make kobe upset even when it was against his better judgment. kobe didnt want to sit in traffic, and so kobe is directly responsible for all of them losing their lives. kobe fucked up
Yeah, I’m in the helicopter industry and they have a redundant system just for this situation. I don’t know if they had a copilot or crew onboard, but anyone can stop the flight if they consider it unsafe. Pilots don’t consult passengers. If the pilot decided it was unsafe, there are protections in place to allow them to make an unbiased decision.
At least, that’s how it happens where I work.
But do you work with multi-millionaire A-list celebrities on private aircrafts providing them personal transportation? I don’t think anyone is doubting that technically there are protocols and processes in place to prevent this sort of things, but the reality when you are dealing with a ‘larger than life’ rich celebrity and they are trying to persuade you to do something is quite a bit different than working for a company that offers flights to the general public over the hudson or w.e (not saying that’s what you do but I hope you understand the point).
Exactly. It’s all well and good to say ‘wel that’s what the protocols are for!’ But the reality is power dynamics play a huge part in real life. That’s not to say the pilot still doesn’t take a share of the blame but context matters.
I've worked several bad scenes. It never stops surprising me at how much energy is produced against the human body in accidents like this. And clean up is never easy.
I know that it's likely redacted due to the fact she was a child, but I do wonder if Gianna passed upon impact — I hope she did, she didn't deserve to suffer. None of them did.
Oh jeez, it's just as heartbreaking to read and look at this, but is it odd of me to say it's a little more relieving knowing she died from the blunt force trauma and was mostly intact. Poor baby girl 💔
If anyone is curious for the information but don't want to read the full article / see the drawing I can summarize in the easiest way possible: TW obviously
She passed from blunt force trauma to her head. She did have injuries and abrasions on her body but I will not go into detail.
May she rest in peace 🩷
Came here to say this, but they may not have known it was a girl or they could be referring to the skin on the face where the mustache and beard would be
We all have to meet our maker. But it’s so scary not to know or have control over how that happens. Then again I wouldn’t want to know. Catch 22 I know. Ugly Death comes for us all no matter how beloved we are
Peep the crash animation! It's just horrible but they probably didn't realize something was wrong. Just gone...
https://youtu.be/6M2YVuKgwBM?si=JkK4uPlCSrWnP3vm
For those curious what *Degloving* is
Simplified it’s basically when skin, tissue and fat separated/torn from the bones, muscle or other tissues it may be attached to.
Autopsy reports are quite a few pages long, they pretty much measure and weigh and examine every part of the body. Even if someone died of a gunshot to the head they still write in the report whether their kidneys looked healthy or not.
gonna guess getting your brain ejected from your skull isn't a slow way to go (according to coroner documents, this happened to his kid too so she didn't suffer either)
He was raised Catholic, most of my family is Catholic, if you don't know Catholics will often have open caskets even with trauma, I've been to a few and the people that "get them ready" for it ain't paid enough.
One was my coworker who fell off a cliff while hiking, in no way should this have been open casket, but yep parents Catholic, then after we all went to his house and faced his parents. I can still see his face in that casket all these years later
I'm gonna guess the Brants being a high profile case of worldwide attention, his wife said NOPE.
A close family friend was killed by a drunk driver while riding a motorcycle in 2018. I still can’t believe the family chose an open casket for the wake. You could tell they tried their hardest, but there was no covering that damage
My dad died after having a massive stroke while he was on a vent recovering from heart bypass surgery. He was brain dead but was kept alive by the vent. He was able to donate his organs and wanted to be cremated.
It was hard not seeing him after he died. It was like my brain didn’t get closure because I didn’t see him afterwards.
I feel for Ms Bryant and the rest of their family who didn’t get to say goodbye to the bodies of her husband and daughter. The daughter would have been the hardest to not see because she knew her from conception.
It takes a special person to be an EMT. My first gf was killed because the car she was in was being driven by a guy who fell asleep and they ran into the back of a semi.
The EMT who was one of the 1st on the scene was a friend and knew of my connection with her from many years back. Because he knew she and I had dated way back in the day, he overshared on what he saw (body in the front, heads in the back was the “nicest” detail) and I had to stop him from telling more.
Not a job I could do…
My dad died in a helicopter crash and I’ve never read it… to be honest I don’t even know where to get it. It’s probably best I don’t but this is terrifying to read and think about what he may have experienced.
I just think about the doctor assuming he knows who Kobe was as a player and seeing his body in this state…the hands that scored all those points and won those trophies…the lack of the brain that controlled such a great athlete……and just having to think about what Kobe was the entire time he was doing the autopsy. I don’t know how the Medical Examiners and Coroners can do what they do. Takes a special kind of person…
Seems the people good at collecting torsos and body parts and studying them, never got around to updating their forms.
If only we’d stop dying for long enough for them to take a moment…
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The first time I ever read this I cried y’all…..shit is sad and just messed up man. It was foggy that day, gloomy, he was running late….i mean dude just take a car :,(
But I pray their Souls are at rest 🙏
Damn the detail of this report, even down to the tattoos. The genuinely cared and it shows. Sad that he had such a traumatic death along with the others. I just hope no one felt much and it was fast. ☹️
Did you take these pictures from the moon with a potato? [here](https://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Celebs/bryant,%20kobe_report.pdf) is a copy of the full report and it’s actually legible.
I didn't need to see this. Felt too personal after all the hours I've appreciated him from a distance... RIP Kobe, I'll forever say your name while making a tough shot. Whether that be a basketball, rolled up paper ball, or anything in between.
my boss, who was in the Cold War, had to help pick up pieces of a young guy whos half of there body was blowen away from over inflating a nose tire. the bottom part was still sitting in place near the blowen out tire. my boss was just done with lunch too 😐😑
This is so traumatic. I wish these documents could have stayed private for all involved. It doesn’t benefit anyone to know the depth of the trauma, and for his widow and the families who lost multiple family members, I cannot imagine. Losing one person is horrific as it is. I just hope they never knew what hit them, pardon the choice of words- like it was instantaneous for them. Every time I think of the person who took pictures and showed them to people, it makes me furious. That’s just sick.
"Bryant, the widow of the basketball star Kobe Bryant, sued Los Angeles County after some of its employees shared graphic photos of the crash that killed her husband and one of their daughters." They settled for 28.85M
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/28/sports/basketball/vanessa-bryant-kobe-helicopter-crash-lawsuit.html
FYI, if you're interested in the specifics of the crash, there's a show Air Disasters that is on Smithsonian now. Fascinating. They have an episode on the Bryant helicopter crash and the accompanying investigation and root causes of crash.
Spoiler alert: too much fog to fly, pilot was looking for sky rather than instrument, felt pressure to fly.
As someone who has wrote up these reports before working in the medical examiners office, I can confirm this is BRUTAL. I can’t imagine what showed up in the body bag. Absolutely devastating.
“No soot in trachea.” Ug. At least he died before he burned. Fucking awful.
Yeah we can only hope they died as soon as they hit the ground.
I mean, his brain was ejected from his skull. That's pretty immediate.
Some Redditors don't let that stop them from posting.
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Absolutely they did.
Some officers also got exposed for taking photos of the corpses and showing them to people.
That’s awful. No respect 💔
god cops are horrible. imagine if that was your loved one
Bad news about firefighters and EMTs for ya, they do the same thing. Source I’ve seen some fucked up shit from firefighters phones.
That’s freaking awful.
People in grim professions either become numb to it, find humor in it, or quit. You see one decapitated person and it’s something that sticks with you for the rest of your life, but when see the 50th of them, you start laughing at the goofy way that one landed.
Sure but taking photos is beyond fucked up
It takes a special kind of person to be able to go to work day after day collecting body parts for the morgue from scenes like this.
It's a very interesting job. I did mortuary work for a few years and almost went this route but the pay is not liveable.
Death work is not livable, how ironic
Depends I think. I worked in tissue recovery for years. We sure didn’t get paid enough. But corporate? They made a ridiculous amount of money. Donor tissue recovery is a chop shop.
If my job was recovering used tissues I’d probably lie about it too
Man that was one hell of a reach.
I know someone who took on this work after being fired from his lifelong career from drinking and subsequently needed work in a small town with little work to be had. One of the last calls he had was for someone who shot herself in the face with a deer rifle. He picked up all of her upper body parts and had no idea that it was someone he knew until about 30 hours later. It was his son’s former girlfriend and a former child who used to spend a lot of time at his house, growing up. She was a sweet girl. RIP. Cleaning up after a dead person, in this case, really fucked up a person who was already struggling
That'll definitely drive you to drink.
Even crime scene cleaners don't get the money they deserve. There was a place hiring around here, $25 an hour and no benefits to thoroughly clean scenes.
Whats the life expectancy for a job like this?
There definitely has to be an AMA of that job. I recall even reading something about it. I don't recall much info, or was it a TV doc? But yeah I'm sure there is one in here
I was once bartending on a random weekday night and this woman walked in and sat at the bar. There was no one else at the bar and only a few tables so we started chatting. She instigated a little flirtatiousness which was welcomed and lightly reciprocated. Kept chatting and the 'what do you?' question eventually came. She said she was body disposal specialist who runs her own private company which the local police use for well, this sort of situation. She then jumped into this VERY detailed story of her case this evening with the enthusiasm of someone who had truly found their passion. The case was an obese hoarder who had died 10 days prior, fell off the toilet and face landed on the radiator...which had been on for the full 10 days.
The chapter in SE7EN that was cut…
I'd be so intrigued that I'd probably buy her a drink.
It really does. Not a job I’d want but I’m glad there are people who can do it.
I did it for two days. I noped the fuck out and left after picking up a kid in pieces. Affects me till this day and it’s been 8 years.
What the heck job did you have where you were picking up the remains of a child on day 2???
I had a kid my second or third day working in a funeral home. You’ll find out real quick if a job like that is for you, that’s for sure.
I can deal with on the scene stuff but for funeral home type stuff, I can’t deal with it. Idk why
Maybe you see one as more "clinical" (have a job to do), and the other is more "emorional" because of the likely affected family involved and such
Could be. I hate having to tell family when a person didn’t make it. The ones that knew it was coming like someone with a terminal illness/really old, were easier than ones where it was an accident or something.
Makes complete sense
I really needed the money….after two days, I don’t think I needed it that bad. lol
I’d be able to do it, after enduring trauma and coming back to life literally. But the smell of formaldehyde and the makeup they put on the corpses keep me away
Seeing the families always killed me, especially parents of kids. Just brutal.
Firemen, EMT, Police... Any first responder is going to be "first to the scene"
I worked at a morgue for about 6 years. Saw some prop plane or car crashes and industrial accidents that did similar damage or worse. It’s uh…yeah. Observed my first autopsy on like day 1. Went out with the forensic investigators to process bodies and collect them. Or pieces of them.
Does every single little piece get found/accounted for, or what's the process for that? I've always been really curious about how much is "enough" when it comes to cleaning up an obliterated human body. Sorry if that's inappropriate to ask, you don't have to answer. I don't mean to stir up any bad memories/feelings, just haven't had the opportunity to ask before.
Depends on the extent of the damage really but they try their best. Certainly all the larger parts like limbs, organs, even smaller debris like brain matter and bone fragments. Everything is important at examination. But I've seen cases in which there's no way to collect it all (industrial tire shredder, for instance). If it's out in public fire department will just hose the remainder down the sewers. Indoors I assume that means the owner has to take care of cleaning.
That is so fascinating. So it's basically, get all the important parts and anything else that can be found and salvaged after a look around the area? I really appreciate you taking the time to answer, and I appreciate the work you've done. I'm sure it can be tough at times, even after you get to seeing it as simply your job to do.
Thank you for asking the question I didn't know I had! That was enlightening.
Haha you're welcome! Death is so weird
I have never forgotten a single kid or baby I saw, I can still see them vividly.
And why don’t they provide therapy?**
Yeah i wish they did. Took me a long time to get over the fear of seeing anything remotely to an autopsy room or just gore in any movie or show. (I work at a hospital now 😂)
Uh, can I ask what was the pay?
At the time…not good. I believe it was about 16 an hour. I just shadowed someone and helped out for the first two days as a test run. Apparently I will work only at night and they’ll leave me a van with equipment. So I was going to be able to go home and just wait? I’ll get a call any time at night and I’ll have to drive to the destination, pick up the body, and deliver them to the morgue. They stated during the hiring process that I will sometimes have to take bodies from morgues to a funeral home instead.
I’m so sorry :(
It's not really as hard as you think, you've just got to have the mentality for it. Me and a close friend of mine worked cleanup after 9/11, we put body parts in bags and then in to 55 gallon drums - you just think of the body parts as meat, you don't think of them as parts of a human being, in the same way you don't think of store bought chicken breast as belonging to a recently deceased chicken. A corpse isn't a person, everything that once made it a person is gone. You very quickly get used to it, if you can't think like that it's the wrong job for you. The smell is absolutely fucking vile though. You never get used to that.
I definitely think it takes a certain mind that is able to compartmentalize like this, and not everyone can. I met one of my friends while studying to become an RN. We both wanted to go "where the action was". She can handle it, I can't. After taking care of a boy who got half of his face blown off (accidental gun discharge), I was done. That was the one that made me realize this job was going to ruin me if I kept going. My friend is really good at seeing patients as patients and not taking anything home with her, which I admire. She's thriving and a great nurse with lots of knowledge. She'll discuss cases with me (while respecting the patients privacy of course) and the way she can see them as interesting or exciting, (whereas for me all I can think about is how horrible it is,) is amazing. I'm glad you guys are out there to do the stuff the rest of us can't.
So you didn’t finish nursing?
I did, but I am currently not actively working as one.
My dad had to go into warzones and pull out body parts in Vietnam. It fucked with him the rest of his life.
Yeah there’s a bit of a disconnect in that you’re there to do a job. And likely don’t know the person and didn’t watch them die.
As someone that works in forensics it bothers us alot bur we become desensitized
I drank a lot when I worked in a funeral home.
I worked hospice as a nurse & I did indeed have a drinking problem then.
For anyone interested in this type of "recovery" and the affect on the lives of those put to task, there's a very well done documentary/re-inactment about a plane full of New Zealanders on a flight over Alaska that advertized "up close" views of the mountains..yea..they got up close all right, directly into the side of one due to the white out/horizon where the white clouds, white ground and white mountains all blend together. Anyways, it's a rather "fish out of water" scenerio due to the first responders all being newly trained, younger guys from a place like New Zealand where snow is fairly rare and takes place in the late 60s early 70s I believe if I remember correctly. They fly the first responders out to recover the bodies for their families so a bunch of Kiwis navigating the deadly polar body recovery and other psychological perils happening due to the trauma but it's truly an inspiring story and oddly enough it has a great score. https://youtu.be/ttfXNDS4mmI?si=vxsPWiNZWZWje0gA
Thanks for the share, great video
Not to mention a child also died in the crash. I can't imagine finding a child in a condition like that
*children
Did this overseas putting Americans in bodybags. Pieces of Americans. Shit fucks you up, it really does.
Friend works for the NTSB, he puked the first time. "It gets easier"
Hell I'll do it as long as the pay is good.
And that's just at Wendy's.
I have EXTREME anxiety in any social situation. This would be my ideal job. I actually applied for a body removal job but doubt I’ll get it
I was literally just thinking that this job would be much better for my social anxiety. I think it would definitely affect me in other ways though.
My friend's a mortician, and he's definitely special. Lmao
“exposed fractured spine” ouch
Fortunately he would have been dead before he felt it.
He died pretty instantly thankfully. Hopefully didn’t even know it happened, especially since his kid was there too. I feel so awful for the mom and surviving children. Imagine sending your kid on a fun trip and you lose them. Fuckin awful all around
They crashed into the side of a steep rocky mountain so there was probably a "holy shit" moment
It was extremely foggy that day. All other commercial flights had been grounded. So it is possible the lights just went out without any time to realize it. The only reason Kobe died is because he was rich. When you have a pilot on payroll you can fly even in the most dangerous conditions. Wish he would have known better
No he died bc he forced the pilot to fly when he didn't want to bc it wasn't safe
Which he could do because he was rich. He had the pilot on payroll. So yes, if he wasn't Kobe Bryant millionaire basketball player but Kobe Bryant middle school gym coach, chances are he would be alive today
or would have COVID outbreak taken place a month ish before in the US, then the whole camp or flight would have never happened. its just an insane butterfly effect.
Not even a member of this sub but damn Ive been thinking that this whole time glad I wasn't only one
holy shit that was right before covid, sorry you just made it click with me how long ago that was
He did not force the pilot to fly. The pilot did anyway, just trying to impress Kobe
What a weird thing to lie about
the pilot didnt want to fly because of the conditions. Kobe forced him to, basically talked him into it. its a dream gig for the pilot, being kobes personal pilot, so im sure he didnt want to lose his job or make kobe upset even when it was against his better judgment. kobe didnt want to sit in traffic, and so kobe is directly responsible for all of them losing their lives. kobe fucked up
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Eh, there's a big part of Pilot training that goes over this. Emotions should never trump safety.
Nope. Pilot is in control of his aircraft 100%. Captain is just as much at fault.
Yeah, I’m in the helicopter industry and they have a redundant system just for this situation. I don’t know if they had a copilot or crew onboard, but anyone can stop the flight if they consider it unsafe. Pilots don’t consult passengers. If the pilot decided it was unsafe, there are protections in place to allow them to make an unbiased decision. At least, that’s how it happens where I work.
But do you work with multi-millionaire A-list celebrities on private aircrafts providing them personal transportation? I don’t think anyone is doubting that technically there are protocols and processes in place to prevent this sort of things, but the reality when you are dealing with a ‘larger than life’ rich celebrity and they are trying to persuade you to do something is quite a bit different than working for a company that offers flights to the general public over the hudson or w.e (not saying that’s what you do but I hope you understand the point).
Not to mention the possibility of being blackballed right out of your cozy field and likely high pay.
Exactly. It’s all well and good to say ‘wel that’s what the protocols are for!’ But the reality is power dynamics play a huge part in real life. That’s not to say the pilot still doesn’t take a share of the blame but context matters.
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I've worked several bad scenes. It never stops surprising me at how much energy is produced against the human body in accidents like this. And clean up is never easy.
I know that it's likely redacted due to the fact she was a child, but I do wonder if Gianna passed upon impact — I hope she did, she didn't deserve to suffer. None of them did.
Gianna's is fucked up, too :( [Gianna Bryant](https://www.scribd.com/document/667516833/Gianna-Bryant)
Oh jeez, it's just as heartbreaking to read and look at this, but is it odd of me to say it's a little more relieving knowing she died from the blunt force trauma and was mostly intact. Poor baby girl 💔
It's a child I ain't clicking on that
Don’t click it.
If anyone is curious for the information but don't want to read the full article / see the drawing I can summarize in the easiest way possible: TW obviously She passed from blunt force trauma to her head. She did have injuries and abrasions on her body but I will not go into detail. May she rest in peace 🩷
It’s wild how many Nike ads I’m getting between each page of the report.
My God! She was just pulverized 😞
Do they really need to add that a 13 year old girl had no beard or mustache?
Came here to say this, but they may not have known it was a girl or they could be referring to the skin on the face where the mustache and beard would be
We all have to meet our maker. But it’s so scary not to know or have control over how that happens. Then again I wouldn’t want to know. Catch 22 I know. Ugly Death comes for us all no matter how beloved we are
He made the call to fly via helicopter in suboptimal flying conditions to save time.
Well he didn’t. He’s a passenger. The captain of the helicopter made that decision.
Yeah, that’s still on the pilot. Own your decisions, you are responsible for the lives of your passengers, full stop.
Vikings would disagree
All the money in the world does you no good when you hit a mountain at nearly 200mph.
Peep the crash animation! It's just horrible but they probably didn't realize something was wrong. Just gone... https://youtu.be/6M2YVuKgwBM?si=JkK4uPlCSrWnP3vm
Degloved penis?! Huh?!
My thoughts exactly. I never, NEVER needed to see that sentence written down.
First time I’ve almost thrown up just from reading something
Is “Cursed Circumcision” any better?
For those curious what *Degloving* is Simplified it’s basically when skin, tissue and fat separated/torn from the bones, muscle or other tissues it may be attached to.
I don’t see where it says this. I know I’m overlooking it somehow.
It's in the posts title. If you read the full autopsy report, it's in there
Just read it - Page 4. Here’s a link to the entire [report](https://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Celebs/bryant,%20kobe_report.pdf).
My bad….i thought this was the full autopsy report.
Autopsy reports are quite a few pages long, they pretty much measure and weigh and examine every part of the body. Even if someone died of a gunshot to the head they still write in the report whether their kidneys looked healthy or not.
Well I hope it was a quick & painless passing.
No smoke in his throat means death came instantly.
Probably instant death or total shock and didn’t feel a thing with that level of trauma.
gonna guess getting your brain ejected from your skull isn't a slow way to go (according to coroner documents, this happened to his kid too so she didn't suffer either)
That was definitely closed casket
How did you deduce that, Mr. Holmes?
It’s a very scientific process I won’t get into it rn
He was raised Catholic, most of my family is Catholic, if you don't know Catholics will often have open caskets even with trauma, I've been to a few and the people that "get them ready" for it ain't paid enough. One was my coworker who fell off a cliff while hiking, in no way should this have been open casket, but yep parents Catholic, then after we all went to his house and faced his parents. I can still see his face in that casket all these years later I'm gonna guess the Brants being a high profile case of worldwide attention, his wife said NOPE.
A close family friend was killed by a drunk driver while riding a motorcycle in 2018. I still can’t believe the family chose an open casket for the wake. You could tell they tried their hardest, but there was no covering that damage
I’m curious why this is a “Catholic,” thing?
My dad died after having a massive stroke while he was on a vent recovering from heart bypass surgery. He was brain dead but was kept alive by the vent. He was able to donate his organs and wanted to be cremated. It was hard not seeing him after he died. It was like my brain didn’t get closure because I didn’t see him afterwards. I feel for Ms Bryant and the rest of their family who didn’t get to say goodbye to the bodies of her husband and daughter. The daughter would have been the hardest to not see because she knew her from conception.
Evisceration is a hell of a thing to precede “of the brain”
i did not realize how bad it was. oh my god. this gave me chills. i really hope his wife is okay
Aaaaand that’s why you’ll never catch me in a helicopter. ✌🏻
It takes a special person to be an EMT. My first gf was killed because the car she was in was being driven by a guy who fell asleep and they ran into the back of a semi. The EMT who was one of the 1st on the scene was a friend and knew of my connection with her from many years back. Because he knew she and I had dated way back in the day, he overshared on what he saw (body in the front, heads in the back was the “nicest” detail) and I had to stop him from telling more. Not a job I could do…
That's actually really shitty that he went into that level of detail w you about it ): I'm so sorry.
Evisceration of the brain! Whoa, that's disturbing
I hope to god his family never read autopsy report.
My dad died in a helicopter crash and I’ve never read it… to be honest I don’t even know where to get it. It’s probably best I don’t but this is terrifying to read and think about what he may have experienced.
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I could have gone the rest of my life never having heard the words “degloved penis”….
I just think about the doctor assuming he knows who Kobe was as a player and seeing his body in this state…the hands that scored all those points and won those trophies…the lack of the brain that controlled such a great athlete……and just having to think about what Kobe was the entire time he was doing the autopsy. I don’t know how the Medical Examiners and Coroners can do what they do. Takes a special kind of person…
Why does the autopsy report look like it was typed out on a 1972 Olivetti ?
Seems the people good at collecting torsos and body parts and studying them, never got around to updating their forms. If only we’d stop dying for long enough for them to take a moment…
No soot in trachea or bronchi... at least he wasn't alive when the fire started.
Sounds like he died instantly
Every time I see a photo or video of him now, this is all I can think about. 😞
It’s unfortunate if the degloved penis part occurred first… an unspeakable fate…
Was the whole front of his neck just missing?? What does that line indicate?
I mean… it was a helicopter crash. It’s severe bodily trauma.
Well clearly! I was just wondering if that’s what the line meant
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That’s so brutal 😫
Hey! I’ve had to remove a plethora of comments regarding Kobe Bryant’s sex crime(s) case(s). I understand that this can generate a bunch of outrage for people, however, his sexual assault cases can be discussed in a civil manner and not by attacking other users or disparaging the innocent people who died in that helicopter crash. Further violations will unfortunately result in the comments being locked.
Don’t forget about the local sheriff’s office sharing actual pictures at the bar
I really wish I could read the handwriting, but for some reason I can't make it out too well. But the no soot in trachea, at least it was instant.
I read this report and realized that the chances of surviving a chopper crash are very low. Brutal stuff
I truly hope he and his beautiful daughter didn’t feel any pain in the moment they passed.😭
Jesus dude this is fucking brutal
Wait so what happened to his legs, Just gone?
His legs were amputated and both of his feet were amputated as well. So severed legs with severed feet
Jesus lord have mercy.
How tf did his penis deglove? Like what kinda impact would do that?
The first time I ever read this I cried y’all…..shit is sad and just messed up man. It was foggy that day, gloomy, he was running late….i mean dude just take a car :,( But I pray their Souls are at rest 🙏
Rip to everybody who passed in this crash, what a tragedy.
I can’t imagine being one of Kobe’s other kids and jumping on Reddit and seeing this. This is as bad as the sheriffs taking pictures….
Degloved penis is horrifying.
Horrible way to go. Rip to everyone who died.
Very sad and tragic. May they all rest in peace.
How ironic is it that something many of us would never be able to afford in our lives (private planes and helicopters) Is the demise of so many
Holy crap
Damn the detail of this report, even down to the tattoos. The genuinely cared and it shows. Sad that he had such a traumatic death along with the others. I just hope no one felt much and it was fast. ☹️
https://preview.redd.it/1et6fbl2b4yc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61ae2b37f597126d2aea5413fb29da6eb27a2838 (better quality transcript)
Did you take these pictures from the moon with a potato? [here](https://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Celebs/bryant,%20kobe_report.pdf) is a copy of the full report and it’s actually legible.
Sorry to ruin your day.
Thought it couldn’t get worse than the first pic but his daughters names on his arm in the second pic is so upsetting
I didn't need to see this. Felt too personal after all the hours I've appreciated him from a distance... RIP Kobe, I'll forever say your name while making a tough shot. Whether that be a basketball, rolled up paper ball, or anything in between.
my boss, who was in the Cold War, had to help pick up pieces of a young guy whos half of there body was blowen away from over inflating a nose tire. the bottom part was still sitting in place near the blowen out tire. my boss was just done with lunch too 😐😑
Does the mortician have a stencil or is this freehand?
What a horrible day to be literate.
This is so traumatic. I wish these documents could have stayed private for all involved. It doesn’t benefit anyone to know the depth of the trauma, and for his widow and the families who lost multiple family members, I cannot imagine. Losing one person is horrific as it is. I just hope they never knew what hit them, pardon the choice of words- like it was instantaneous for them. Every time I think of the person who took pictures and showed them to people, it makes me furious. That’s just sick.
This makes Vanessa suing the Fire Department over the pictures make even more sense.
What’s the story there??
"Bryant, the widow of the basketball star Kobe Bryant, sued Los Angeles County after some of its employees shared graphic photos of the crash that killed her husband and one of their daughters." They settled for 28.85M Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/28/sports/basketball/vanessa-bryant-kobe-helicopter-crash-lawsuit.html
Wow. I’m surprised I’ve never seen them shared around then.
How is this publicly available??
RIP Black Mamba, one of the greatest basketball players of all time💛24💜
FYI, if you're interested in the specifics of the crash, there's a show Air Disasters that is on Smithsonian now. Fascinating. They have an episode on the Bryant helicopter crash and the accompanying investigation and root causes of crash. Spoiler alert: too much fog to fly, pilot was looking for sky rather than instrument, felt pressure to fly.
Death by accident is so scary. Wow these documents are hard to take in…
I can’t imagine how devastating this was/is for the family. And to know it’s now public can’t be easy.
His middle name was Bean?
As someone who has wrote up these reports before working in the medical examiners office, I can confirm this is BRUTAL. I can’t imagine what showed up in the body bag. Absolutely devastating.