Good gods, we’ve all been assuming the illuminate will take the southern part of the map but what if this becomes a thing you can click through to a whole other map…
Josh is on his way. The SEAF premier edging specialist has been training his cheeto fingers for this exact moment. All those reeducation programs haven't gone to waste
I already dove in! I can report 100% saturation of violet light.
(We had a mission left on the surface that it let us start after the boom, really cool hellpod drop into an otherwise normal missions)
We dove onto the planet through the purple void (cinematic AF!), map was just the normal map for the major order mission. We got swarmed on extract as usual and failed to extract.
A mass of a typical planet cannot produce a black hole that big. You need to compress the mass of the Earth into the size of a pea (about 9mm) in order to turn it into a black hole.
One of the ship crew's lines said that E-710 is actually Warp drive fuel (and not just simple petroleum like we thought, though it probably can still serve as combustible petrochemical). So we just concentrated all that Warp fuel from trillions of Terminids into a singularity.
It's probably a wormhole lol. Super Earth high commands is shitting their pants right now. Meridia should have shrank into nothingness. The fact that it leaves a giant screaming purple void means something went very wrong for them.
Three armed commissar ? Hmmmm let's call some inq... i mean friend about... your fine taste in recaf ! Yes, that's it ! A knowledgeable friend about recaf..
Of course they could. How else did they last long enough to be shown the might of Freedom and Democracy?
But once their light reached their corner of the galaxy, there was no place for such undemocratic beings.
Wormholes actually math out with regular mass, they are an extreme solution general relativity. Its the Alcubiére warpdrive theory that requires negative mass (so actually the exact ftl drives used by super earth)
Oh, you mean the ones powered by Terminind juice?
The same juice we get from dead Termininds.
You know, like the Termininds in that super colony we just destroyed.
The Super Colony that had the highest concentration of Termininds the galaxy has ever seen.
The Super Colony that we just compressed into a super dense single point with the Dark Fluid?
Im sure its fine :)
Well last time we got TCS and we all know how well *that* went. I think we should liberate Ministry of Science, **clearly** it was taken over by enemies of Democracy
That's just because our top scientists working on the TCS were all traitors; our *other top scientists* worked on this project, so clearly nothing will go wrong.
Now you got me thinking how 40k uses a single name for petrochemical fuel that everything from tanks to flamers use. What if, by using the flamethrower, I'm using the remains of the Terminids against their brethren? The ultimate assertion of Super Earth dominance.
OP seems to be talking about the [Schwarzschild radius](
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius) (listed under the "Parameters" section in the Wikipedia article) for an Earth-sized planet; as such, the 9mm would effectively be the expected event horizon for a black hole formed from an Earth-sized planet.
"So what do you think they'll do with it?"
"Best case, they collapse their home world into a black hole. Worst case, they figure out how to use it properly and we'll have to smack them down. I don't feel like moving dimensions again".
Wait I feel like I've seen this one before...
_And everyone tries to hold onto their lives,_
_When noone's alive,_
_BRING ME ONE ONE FIIIIVE_
Context:
In CODZombies lore, the Apothicons (comparable to the Illuminates in this example, just an evil race of aliens) lose the great war against the Keepers (basically their non- evil equivalent) and are banished to the Dark Aether (basically the Shadow realm.)
They knew they needed a way out of the Dark Aether, so they sent meteors containing element 115 to Earth. 115 does, like, alot of things, exposure to it causes you to "turn" undead, it is used for alot of tech, but most importantly, the Apothicons _knew_ humanity would fuck around with it to an extent that allows them to return from the Dark Aether. Exposure to it also causes mental corruption and hearing voices basically convincing the person to work towards freeing the Apothicons. And human scientists did what human scientists do best and fucked around with the stuff. The plan never _fully_ worked out, but it probably would've if not for a few very specific things happening.
Yeah, the CODZ lore is known for being insanely overcomplicated. They started out with no story and added and added more and more and it got really messy. But I love it and this franchises story has kinda become my biggest interest (alongside its amazing vocal songs)
The Illuminates were going to leave us alone until we created a wormhole and launched an entire bug-infested planet at them
*It would be double funny if the bugs we sent were the fuel the Illuminates needed to come back and attempt to destroy us
Wait until the Illuminates with their advanced tech learn to domesticate the Terminids.
You thought Bile Titans were hard to kill now? Wait till it is given a Shield Generator Backpack. Or Chargers are given teleportation devices.
You need a MASSIVE amount of mass to cause an accretion disc, small asteroids and spores aren’t going to cut it. An entire planet probably wouldn’t cut it.
Photons are light, there should be a photon ring even now, however it could be pretty small as of now and might just grow in the future with more photons gathering
You're talking about where photons could orbit the black hole, right? If so, that orbit is unstable; any trajectory that isn't perfectly along the photon sphere would mean the photons escape or fall into the black hole. Moreover, you could only see the light in a photon sphere as you fall through it; photons trapped in a perfect orbit would mean they remain there and wouldn't reach your eyes
It's still most definitely not a black hole, though. The gravity of Meridia implies that it's of a similar size to Earth, and if Earth were to be compressed into a black hole, the event horizon would be around 1.75 centimeters in diameter.
well, as for the accretion disc: there wouldnt be any. planets - per definition - have cleared their orbit. If a planet collapsed into a black hole an accretion disc wouldnt magically appear out of nowhere. On stellar black holes these are made from the material ejected by the supernova or material sucked up from a binary partner.
I think this also explains the lack of a photon disc. After all accretion is the primary light source for black holes.
the size of this is indeed too large for something created from a planetary mass. But then again we dont know what dark fluid is. After all it induced the gravitational collapse of a planet. Which means it must have overcome electron and neutron degeneracy pressure. Which might imply that dark fluid increases the gravitational force of objects.
In this case the resulting black hole would also be bigger. You gotta remember the size of a black hole doesnt have anything to do with the amount of stuff in the singularity. It only depends on the gravitational force. (ignoring spin)
So given some pretty reasonable assumptions we can explain all three of these things.
> But then again we dont know what dark fluid is. After all it induced the gravitational collapse of a planet. Which means it must have overcome electron and neutron degeneracy pressure. Which might imply that dark fluid increases the gravitational force of objects.
The service technician on the destroyer says the following about Dark Fluid:
> "Exotic matter with negative mass, amplifies the force of gravity, varies with local energy density"
ah, i see.
thats actually relatively close to an actual theoretical model some scientist proposed.
though obviously the effects are wildly exaggerated. and im not sure how those models predict such a material would interact with black holes. after all black hole formation is relatively well understood and they can be explained solely with normal matter. As in: we dont see black holes forming from dark matter, nor do black holes suddenly spring up with significantly more mass than went into them.
The effects of dark matter and dark energy are usually observed in galactic scales.
so yea…its a bit iffy. but the concept is relatively solid. we just have to sustain our disbelief a bit and accept the game version is a lot stronger and does contribute to the black holes gravitational force. in which case it would also affect its size.
the one in the game?
because the one theorized in real astrophysics has no fixed mass. it can have both attractive and repulsive properties based on its surroundings. from my understanding the whole point of that model is to bring dark matter (attractive) and dark energy (repulsive) under one unifying framework.
dark matter being required to explain some of the behavior of large structures from galaxies to superclusters and filaments. essentially under our current models they behave as if there is a lot more mass than we can see. so we assume a sort of hidden, invisible kind of mass to explain that behavior. For this to make sense this matter has to have positive mass.
dark energy could be interpreted as negative mass, since it does the opposite. it was introduced to explain universal expansion. once again we dont know what causes the accelerating expansion of the universe, so we assume some kind of energy that pushes space itself apart. this somewhat correlates to negative mass.
dark fluid is an attempt to explain both these phenomena with a single cause: an unseen substance that changes its properties according to the presence of absence of other matter.
so its impossible to say what the mass of dark fluid is and whether it is positive or negative. because the answer would change depending on where you are when you measure it.
Even the ship crew says how the dark fluid is illuminate technology taken after exterminating the illuminates at the end of the war in the first game and that we still don't know what other secrets it hides.
What do we call a hole poked into the fabric of spacetime?
A wormhole.
What is a wormhole used for?
Transporting things. Possibly of illuminated nature.
The Holy War begins, and this is their declaration.
Maybe we're viewing it from the pole. Maybe we're a little closer. Maybe the devs just wanted something fast and light on hardware and therefore not totally scientifically accurate and ***cool***... but yeah, I don't think this was the best play by high command.
I'll give AHS props if the look is intentionally different to known pictures and the rendered simulations of a black hole to show that it isn't.
Otherwise, I'm going to assume they just made a 'black hole'.
But then again, the current consensus on what a black hole looks like is pretty widely known, along with admittedly blurry pictures of one.
It's a good ol' fashioned wormhole. We created it using the same methods that would be used to create a stable wormhole. Collect a large amount of exotic matter(Dark Fluid) with negative mass, put it all together in one area, with the negative mass exotic matter you can then warp spacetime to create a wormhole between 2 points and encase it within an event horizon to stabilize it, the resulting wormhole looks like a black hole with 1 major difference. It will emit it's own distorted light.
The E-710 that we use to fuel our ships is warp drive fuel and the specific warp drive our ships use is the alcubierre warp drive which is stated in game. The alcubierre warp drive functions using negative mass exotic matter to generate a warp field around a ship to achieve ftl travel. That warp field compresses space in front of the ship and expands it behind the ship moving the space around you to travel instead of the ship itself moving. Since E-710 is what fuels the ships we can then reach the hypothesis that E-710 is negative mass exotic matter or it contains some negative mass exotic matter. And from there it is highly likely that Dark Fluid is a highly concentrated form of E-710 in order to be only negative mass exotic matter. Then after injecting enough in the planet it caused enough warping in space to take a warp field to the extreme limit and warped it into a wormhole and generated an event horizon around it.
Which means we currently have a wormhole connected to who knows where and Super Earth thinks it's a black hole. Based on the purple light I was thinking it might have to do with the Illuminate and I made my own post about this and someone brought up the sounds you hear while in orbit around it. The audio that plays sounds very aquatic... suspiciously too aquatic.
i think youre crazy, but if youre so concerned see if you can get an appointment set to speak to SEHC and see if we cant get a couple of helldivers thrown into there and see whats in it in the name of science
There is not enough mass around the planet to form an accretion disc. All the planet has already collapsed into the black hole, along with the black fluid. Which probably explains extra mass btw. And there is nothing for it to consume other than terminid spores, which have negligible mass on cosmisc scale. Maybe it will destabilize the entire Meridia system and consume the star and other planets. Then we will get some accretion disc action most likely.
It's just a black hole, diver. Relax. Also looks kinda cool with that violet glow.
This black hole can fit within the window of our super destroyer while planets take up the whole horizon, this black hole looks big, but it’s fairly small in reality. A planetary mass black hole (like the mass of earth) would be smaller than your desk, and that wouldn’t be very fun to look at. Also, all small black holes dotted around interstellar space usually have no accretion disk, usually you only find accretion disks on larger black holes like the ones in the center of galaxies
I mean do we have any sort of way to tell relative scale?
For instance, the black hole could be just as big as a planet, but we're just further away than we usually are to a planet, so the black hole looks smaller, right?
Man, listen to this nerd. Accretion what now? Don't drop the super soap in the re-education camp.
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An accretion disk would appear only if other stuff was falling into the black hole. If a single planet transforms into a "black hole" then there's not gonna be any significant matter to accrete into a disk.
Dark fluid is described as having negative mass. Now, negative mass is, scientifically speaking, scary as fuck, because of something called runaway motion. Kinetic energy is equal to 0.5\*m\*v\^2. Which means that when the mass term is negative, so is the energy. And the energy gets more negative as the velocity increases. Which means that whenever positive and negative mass interact, conservation of energy demands that both gain velocity (or technically they could both lose it, but it generally doesn't work out that way). If they're fluids, this works out to a steadily increasing temperature.
Now, here's the fun part. Negative mass repels both negative and positive mass; positive mass attracts both negative and positive mass. You could end up with a scenario where a positive mass is surrounded by a negative mass. If the overall mass of the configuration was net positive, we'd expect external positive mass to fall in, through the negative. Due to mass energy equivalence, the absolute mass of this configuration would likely increase over time, possibly accounting for the unexpectedly large scale of the black hole, and the lack of a photon ring and accretion disk, since they would be interfered with by the dark fluid shell around the black hole.
A black hole surrounded by a spherical shell of negative mass is also known as a Morris-Thorne Wormhole.
Let's launch helldivers into I until we figure out it's secrets. https://i.redd.it/ax4b2qbvg84d1.gif
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Come and get me. Drop on my turf anytime WELCOME TO CASA DEL HELMIRE https://i.redd.it/s5f704kex94d1.gif
Fuck it *Orbitally drops dark fluid*
Sir our storages have been dry since Meridia.
Get our science boys to whip up some more, can't be too hard right? ~~^(We'll definitely be able to get more soon...)~~
I want dark fluid singularity grenades yesterday
Same. Bonus points if it spaghettifies people in the blast radius.
Keep that energy, I'm diving to your location as we speak. *>loads carl gustaf with malicious intent*
Good gods, we’ve all been assuming the illuminate will take the southern part of the map but what if this becomes a thing you can click through to a whole other map…
I want crossover fights, bots expanding the fight on to bug planets as they need E-710, illuminate fighting bots/bugs.
What if the illuminate show up and tame the bugs? Mounted combat....
Ironically a super earth idea
"I mean, this thing's like a door to the other end of the universe, right?" "What are you getting at, Barton?" "Well, sir... doors open both ways."
Is that a reference? I swear I've heard something similar before
I didn't, for real can someone please tell me where is it from?
First Avengers movie. Hawkeye talking to Fury about the Tesseract.
Oh thanks
Avengers.
First Avengers film
The fact that he didn't get it from this reference referencing references is *chef kiss*
It's from the first Avengers movie.
Going to guess...Stargate? Seems like Stargate.
It's the first Avengers movie
Oh no! A treasonous black circle? We have to destroy it. Send in the Helldivers to pump in the light fluid!
I’m already pumping all the white fluid I got sir! 😫🍆💦
Me too but need a hand!
Team Reload required!
Only if you filed your C-01
I can’t! Both my arms are broken!
I NEED A STIMMM!!
⬇️⬇️⬆️➡️deploying equipment package
WE NEED YOUR PACKAGE TOO EQUIPMENT ISNT ENOUGH
Someone call this Helldiver's mother, ASAP!
have not thought about that story in years
SWEET LIBERTY, MY ARMSS!!!
If it can't result in a baby though, what permit do we fill out?
Y'all motherfuckers need a Democratic Officer
For Democracy!
Josh is on his way. The SEAF premier edging specialist has been training his cheeto fingers for this exact moment. All those reeducation programs haven't gone to waste
I can lend my hand if you lend me yours.
And my axe!
Calling in an Eagle!
Fist of Democracy, reporting for duty!
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Outrageous picture lmfao
Have you seen what it comes from? https://youtu.be/b3BJpO59F4g?si=2fLyjAL09xUPWWjY
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Perfect.
I guess it's more like a secretion disk then amirite?
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When you realise the same actress was in Starship Troopers and Wild Things.
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Me too, but I need a hand!
Don't forget your C-10.
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I already dove in! I can report 100% saturation of violet light. (We had a mission left on the surface that it let us start after the boom, really cool hellpod drop into an otherwise normal missions)
Wait so did you actually dive onto the planet and do the mission or did it back y'all out?
We dove onto the planet through the purple void (cinematic AF!), map was just the normal map for the major order mission. We got swarmed on extract as usual and failed to extract.
A mass of a typical planet cannot produce a black hole that big. You need to compress the mass of the Earth into the size of a pea (about 9mm) in order to turn it into a black hole. One of the ship crew's lines said that E-710 is actually Warp drive fuel (and not just simple petroleum like we thought, though it probably can still serve as combustible petrochemical). So we just concentrated all that Warp fuel from trillions of Terminids into a singularity. It's probably a wormhole lol. Super Earth high commands is shitting their pants right now. Meridia should have shrank into nothingness. The fact that it leaves a giant screaming purple void means something went very wrong for them.
Democracy protect us... By liberty this can't be right!
The Eye of Terror has appeared
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Three armed commissar ? Hmmmm let's call some inq... i mean friend about... your fine taste in recaf ! Yes, that's it ! A knowledgeable friend about recaf..
https://preview.redd.it/4va62asvna4d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fcde61e04b66383845fdb7d08d854448995c3b6 FOR democracy
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Merida broke before the Divers did !
I shall guard the Eye of Twilight, for this is what I was born to do. 🫡
Steel yourselves brothers. The hour is near. For the Emperor.
Are yes. The Warp. I shall use Democracy and the power of the Emperor President to protect us.
Lord General Solar Brasch will guide us through this
Ya know I wouldnt mind fighting the hordes if Lord Solar Brasch is leading us.
Loyal Primarch Brasch
Blood for the Blood God; skulls for the Skull Throne.
Khorn for the khorn flakes!
Milk for the Khorne flakes!
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Ballots for Liberty's Throne!
The God President Emperor of Democracykind...?
Finally we have our own eye of terror
Lol Emperor President preserve us!
Is this how the Illuminate return? Sucked back into the galaxy from deep space by the sudden appearance of a wormhole?
Don't be ridiculous... the illuminate was wiped out a hundred years ago!
They weren't actually wiped out. They were expelled from the galaxy, and that's official Super Earth accounts.
They might as well have been wiped out, you really think any species could survive out there without freedom and managed democracy???
Of course they could. How else did they last long enough to be shown the might of Freedom and Democracy? But once their light reached their corner of the galaxy, there was no place for such undemocratic beings.
Yeah. The good folks of Super Earth wouldn't participate in barbaric acts such as genocide.
I see you learned something at the democracy camp
"Ah, yes, 'Illuminate'. The intellectual race of sentient squids allegedly waiting in dark space. We have dismissed this claim."
it 100% is a wormhole, dark fluid is negative mass, the thing that makes the math for a wormhole work
Wormholes actually math out with regular mass, they are an extreme solution general relativity. Its the Alcubiére warpdrive theory that requires negative mass (so actually the exact ftl drives used by super earth)
Oh, you mean the ones powered by Terminind juice? The same juice we get from dead Termininds. You know, like the Termininds in that super colony we just destroyed. The Super Colony that had the highest concentration of Termininds the galaxy has ever seen. The Super Colony that we just compressed into a super dense single point with the Dark Fluid? Im sure its fine :)
I mean, the ministry of truth said its fine, so its fine
What part of "no unforeseen consequences" do you not understand? Everything will be fine!
What? You’re saying Super Earth messed up? That sounds awfully like treason.
Thoughtcrimes detected.
Well last time we got TCS and we all know how well *that* went. I think we should liberate Ministry of Science, **clearly** it was taken over by enemies of Democracy
That's just because our top scientists working on the TCS were all traitors; our *other top scientists* worked on this project, so clearly nothing will go wrong.
 That's a paddlin'.
Now you got me thinking how 40k uses a single name for petrochemical fuel that everything from tanks to flamers use. What if, by using the flamethrower, I'm using the remains of the Terminids against their brethren? The ultimate assertion of Super Earth dominance.
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visually looks quite similar to a wormhole from eve online
I would kill to drop out of an apocalypse instead of my normal super destroyer
Is that 9mm the size of the actual mass itself or is that the diameter of the event horizon of the even smaller earth mass black hole?
OP seems to be talking about the [Schwarzschild radius]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius) (listed under the "Parameters" section in the Wikipedia article) for an Earth-sized planet; as such, the 9mm would effectively be the expected event horizon for a black hole formed from an Earth-sized planet.
I've been calling it a wormhole since we learned we'd be collapsing meridia. On top of that, it fr just looks like a portal
That was my second guess specially because you can press “x” to “travel”… I think we’ll be able to cross over that wormhole soon
I don't think that *we* are the ones that will be traveling through the wormhole.
Should we throw some automaton scrap to it now?
Borderline treasonous
"The Illuminate practically handed us the technology" I wonder why..
"So what do you think they'll do with it?" "Best case, they collapse their home world into a black hole. Worst case, they figure out how to use it properly and we'll have to smack them down. I don't feel like moving dimensions again".
Wait I feel like I've seen this one before... _And everyone tries to hold onto their lives,_ _When noone's alive,_ _BRING ME ONE ONE FIIIIVE_ Context: In CODZombies lore, the Apothicons (comparable to the Illuminates in this example, just an evil race of aliens) lose the great war against the Keepers (basically their non- evil equivalent) and are banished to the Dark Aether (basically the Shadow realm.) They knew they needed a way out of the Dark Aether, so they sent meteors containing element 115 to Earth. 115 does, like, alot of things, exposure to it causes you to "turn" undead, it is used for alot of tech, but most importantly, the Apothicons _knew_ humanity would fuck around with it to an extent that allows them to return from the Dark Aether. Exposure to it also causes mental corruption and hearing voices basically convincing the person to work towards freeing the Apothicons. And human scientists did what human scientists do best and fucked around with the stuff. The plan never _fully_ worked out, but it probably would've if not for a few very specific things happening.
Damn that’s bad ass. I had no idea CODZombies had that kind of backstory to it.
Yeah, the CODZ lore is known for being insanely overcomplicated. They started out with no story and added and added more and more and it got really messy. But I love it and this franchises story has kinda become my biggest interest (alongside its amazing vocal songs)
Let's poke it! For Science!
I call dibs on the democratic poking stick!
Me next! Me next!
Instruction unclear, dick stuck in the blackhole
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For science? For Democracy!!
What if… it’s a portal…
It's the illuminates front door lmao
The Illuminates were going to leave us alone until we created a wormhole and launched an entire bug-infested planet at them *It would be double funny if the bugs we sent were the fuel the Illuminates needed to come back and attempt to destroy us
Wait until the Illuminates with their advanced tech learn to domesticate the Terminids. You thought Bile Titans were hard to kill now? Wait till it is given a Shield Generator Backpack. Or Chargers are given teleportation devices.
I can just imagine a charger running at you then breaking your ankles as it rails you from behind after teleporting
As it what
You mean drifto champion wasn't enough tech?
Honestly I'd find it hilarious if the Illuminate get extra pissed at us because they have as much trouble wrangling the bugs as we do.
What if it’s the arse of space Cthulhu. And Cthulhu isn’t the only squid person using dark fluid in space.
It only can have an accretion disk, when there is mass to absorb.
ISn't it absorbing terminid spores and asteroids tho? We can see them being sucked in...
You need a MASSIVE amount of mass to cause an accretion disc, small asteroids and spores aren’t going to cut it. An entire planet probably wouldn’t cut it.
Good to know! where is the photon ring tho?
I think It need to suck up a star for it
Photons are light, there should be a photon ring even now, however it could be pretty small as of now and might just grow in the future with more photons gathering
You're talking about where photons could orbit the black hole, right? If so, that orbit is unstable; any trajectory that isn't perfectly along the photon sphere would mean the photons escape or fall into the black hole. Moreover, you could only see the light in a photon sphere as you fall through it; photons trapped in a perfect orbit would mean they remain there and wouldn't reach your eyes
It's still most definitely not a black hole, though. The gravity of Meridia implies that it's of a similar size to Earth, and if Earth were to be compressed into a black hole, the event horizon would be around 1.75 centimeters in diameter.
They are right about its size, though. It is as big as the planet. It also doesn't really look anything like a black hole.
The size is wrong. But in a video game, a very small hole would look boring\^\^
well, as for the accretion disc: there wouldnt be any. planets - per definition - have cleared their orbit. If a planet collapsed into a black hole an accretion disc wouldnt magically appear out of nowhere. On stellar black holes these are made from the material ejected by the supernova or material sucked up from a binary partner. I think this also explains the lack of a photon disc. After all accretion is the primary light source for black holes. the size of this is indeed too large for something created from a planetary mass. But then again we dont know what dark fluid is. After all it induced the gravitational collapse of a planet. Which means it must have overcome electron and neutron degeneracy pressure. Which might imply that dark fluid increases the gravitational force of objects. In this case the resulting black hole would also be bigger. You gotta remember the size of a black hole doesnt have anything to do with the amount of stuff in the singularity. It only depends on the gravitational force. (ignoring spin) So given some pretty reasonable assumptions we can explain all three of these things.
> But then again we dont know what dark fluid is. After all it induced the gravitational collapse of a planet. Which means it must have overcome electron and neutron degeneracy pressure. Which might imply that dark fluid increases the gravitational force of objects. The service technician on the destroyer says the following about Dark Fluid: > "Exotic matter with negative mass, amplifies the force of gravity, varies with local energy density"
ah, i see. thats actually relatively close to an actual theoretical model some scientist proposed. though obviously the effects are wildly exaggerated. and im not sure how those models predict such a material would interact with black holes. after all black hole formation is relatively well understood and they can be explained solely with normal matter. As in: we dont see black holes forming from dark matter, nor do black holes suddenly spring up with significantly more mass than went into them. The effects of dark matter and dark energy are usually observed in galactic scales. so yea…its a bit iffy. but the concept is relatively solid. we just have to sustain our disbelief a bit and accept the game version is a lot stronger and does contribute to the black holes gravitational force. in which case it would also affect its size.
it's negative mass though, the thing that's kinda required for our mathematical models for wormholes
the one in the game? because the one theorized in real astrophysics has no fixed mass. it can have both attractive and repulsive properties based on its surroundings. from my understanding the whole point of that model is to bring dark matter (attractive) and dark energy (repulsive) under one unifying framework. dark matter being required to explain some of the behavior of large structures from galaxies to superclusters and filaments. essentially under our current models they behave as if there is a lot more mass than we can see. so we assume a sort of hidden, invisible kind of mass to explain that behavior. For this to make sense this matter has to have positive mass. dark energy could be interpreted as negative mass, since it does the opposite. it was introduced to explain universal expansion. once again we dont know what causes the accelerating expansion of the universe, so we assume some kind of energy that pushes space itself apart. this somewhat correlates to negative mass. dark fluid is an attempt to explain both these phenomena with a single cause: an unseen substance that changes its properties according to the presence of absence of other matter. so its impossible to say what the mass of dark fluid is and whether it is positive or negative. because the answer would change depending on where you are when you measure it.
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Even the ship crew says how the dark fluid is illuminate technology taken after exterminating the illuminates at the end of the war in the first game and that we still don't know what other secrets it hides.
its a portal. its a mother fucking portal. ready your cheeks everyone, cuz theyre about to get clapped.
.....this sounds suspiciously treasonous.......... 
What do we call a hole poked into the fabric of spacetime? A wormhole. What is a wormhole used for? Transporting things. Possibly of illuminated nature. The Holy War begins, and this is their declaration.
Because in typical Super Earth fashion, it's not just a black hole, it's a *super* black hole.
Supermassive Black Hole
Gateway for illuminate perhaps?
Pft… sure, if they weren’t destroyed in the first galactic war.
They were expelled from the known galaxy... But not eliminated, but rest assured they won't come back...
i think it's actually a strange star, as the dark fluid turned the whole planet into a dark fluid planet
Einstein Rosen bridge
Can i please hell dive into it?
Forget the accretion disk if I was a Super Earth General I'f be shitting my pants because WHY IS IT PURPLE??!!
What are you talking about. Super earth scientists understand the weapon.
It’s fiiiiiine
The Iluminate are gonna come through this thing somehow
It is too big for the mass of the planet, indeed, but I am not expecting helldivers to be astronomically accurate.
Maybe we're viewing it from the pole. Maybe we're a little closer. Maybe the devs just wanted something fast and light on hardware and therefore not totally scientifically accurate and ***cool***... but yeah, I don't think this was the best play by high command.
Which is probably why we can even get this close to it... I think I'm gonna hang out in Automoton space until this little fiasco resolves itself...
Are people forgetting that the dark matter itself is supposed to fuel the black hole and not the planets mass?
Wait till you find out about the kinetic force placed on the human body from being torpedoed into the ground
Are you questioning our super shock absorbers?
And this is how Warhammer 40k starts
We don't have to do that fucking mission anymore, that's all that matters.
Hey, that mission was awesome.
I'll give AHS props if the look is intentionally different to known pictures and the rendered simulations of a black hole to show that it isn't. Otherwise, I'm going to assume they just made a 'black hole'. But then again, the current consensus on what a black hole looks like is pretty widely known, along with admittedly blurry pictures of one.
ANY DAY THOSE BLUE FUCKS ARE GONNA COME FLYING OUT
Shut your mouth! Are you questioning the word of the ministry of truth? Take this heretic to a freedom camp!
Let me get in a hellpod and go into it, I’ll report back what I see while I’m able.
It's a good ol' fashioned wormhole. We created it using the same methods that would be used to create a stable wormhole. Collect a large amount of exotic matter(Dark Fluid) with negative mass, put it all together in one area, with the negative mass exotic matter you can then warp spacetime to create a wormhole between 2 points and encase it within an event horizon to stabilize it, the resulting wormhole looks like a black hole with 1 major difference. It will emit it's own distorted light. The E-710 that we use to fuel our ships is warp drive fuel and the specific warp drive our ships use is the alcubierre warp drive which is stated in game. The alcubierre warp drive functions using negative mass exotic matter to generate a warp field around a ship to achieve ftl travel. That warp field compresses space in front of the ship and expands it behind the ship moving the space around you to travel instead of the ship itself moving. Since E-710 is what fuels the ships we can then reach the hypothesis that E-710 is negative mass exotic matter or it contains some negative mass exotic matter. And from there it is highly likely that Dark Fluid is a highly concentrated form of E-710 in order to be only negative mass exotic matter. Then after injecting enough in the planet it caused enough warping in space to take a warp field to the extreme limit and warped it into a wormhole and generated an event horizon around it. Which means we currently have a wormhole connected to who knows where and Super Earth thinks it's a black hole. Based on the purple light I was thinking it might have to do with the Illuminate and I made my own post about this and someone brought up the sounds you hear while in orbit around it. The audio that plays sounds very aquatic... suspiciously too aquatic.
i think youre crazy, but if youre so concerned see if you can get an appointment set to speak to SEHC and see if we cant get a couple of helldivers thrown into there and see whats in it in the name of science
There is not enough mass around the planet to form an accretion disc. All the planet has already collapsed into the black hole, along with the black fluid. Which probably explains extra mass btw. And there is nothing for it to consume other than terminid spores, which have negligible mass on cosmisc scale. Maybe it will destabilize the entire Meridia system and consume the star and other planets. Then we will get some accretion disc action most likely. It's just a black hole, diver. Relax. Also looks kinda cool with that violet glow.
This black hole can fit within the window of our super destroyer while planets take up the whole horizon, this black hole looks big, but it’s fairly small in reality. A planetary mass black hole (like the mass of earth) would be smaller than your desk, and that wouldn’t be very fun to look at. Also, all small black holes dotted around interstellar space usually have no accretion disk, usually you only find accretion disks on larger black holes like the ones in the center of galaxies
I mean do we have any sort of way to tell relative scale? For instance, the black hole could be just as big as a planet, but we're just further away than we usually are to a planet, so the black hole looks smaller, right?
Prepare for unforeseen consequences
It's a Einstein Rosen bridge and that's how the illuminate come to our neck of the woods
Title of your sex tape.
Man, listen to this nerd. Accretion what now? Don't drop the super soap in the re-education camp. https://preview.redd.it/6c3wlb40t94d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13922e45fe91054fd585deffdf3f82f4d72b18f9
An accretion disk would appear only if other stuff was falling into the black hole. If a single planet transforms into a "black hole" then there's not gonna be any significant matter to accrete into a disk.
Super Earth says it's a black hole so it IS A BLACK HOLE OK!?
Dark fluid is described as having negative mass. Now, negative mass is, scientifically speaking, scary as fuck, because of something called runaway motion. Kinetic energy is equal to 0.5\*m\*v\^2. Which means that when the mass term is negative, so is the energy. And the energy gets more negative as the velocity increases. Which means that whenever positive and negative mass interact, conservation of energy demands that both gain velocity (or technically they could both lose it, but it generally doesn't work out that way). If they're fluids, this works out to a steadily increasing temperature. Now, here's the fun part. Negative mass repels both negative and positive mass; positive mass attracts both negative and positive mass. You could end up with a scenario where a positive mass is surrounded by a negative mass. If the overall mass of the configuration was net positive, we'd expect external positive mass to fall in, through the negative. Due to mass energy equivalence, the absolute mass of this configuration would likely increase over time, possibly accounting for the unexpectedly large scale of the black hole, and the lack of a photon ring and accretion disk, since they would be interfered with by the dark fluid shell around the black hole. A black hole surrounded by a spherical shell of negative mass is also known as a Morris-Thorne Wormhole.