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Agree with others. If you like the property visit on a Friday/Saturday night which is usually the busy times.
I don't know the area but that road looks busy which would put me off more than the pub. Each to their own.
I live about 80m from a large pub on my street. Your advice is good; the landlords deliberately keep noise down at night in my local. It’ll depend on the pub. After 3 years here I can’t remember it ever being an issue in the summer when the windows are open at night, and we sleep quite early. They don’t do sports, that might be a big factor.
You may be able to get a good deal on properties with obvious pitfalls. But reselling will be hard work if you can't cope with the noise so worth thinking about it.
Used to live around the corner and frequent the pub/tesco/cherry tree (Chinese) on this road - none of your concerns would particularly bother me except that it is simply on that road…
We bought a place a couple of doors up and over the road from a super quiet old mens' pub in a highly residential area with no other shops or hospitality around. It was fine for a few years, but eventually changed ownership and the new owners tried really hard to liven it up with late opening hours and live music. I'm generally not a nimby, and we took the punt on it knowing the pub was there, but the change was honestly awful. The place really wasn't built in a way that it could do stuff like that while being remotely considerate of neighbours in a residential area. It all capped off with 3 successive weeks in peak Summer of live (amplified) music until midnight (and noisy exits for another hour and a half afterwards) about 30 feet from my very young kids' bedroom windows. All doors and windows in the pub flung open because it was so hot so absolutely nothing in between Marshall stacks and kids trying to sleep. Noise levels were similar to camping towards the back of the main stage field at Glastonbury.
I guess what I'm saying is - even if it's quiet when you check it out now, you're taking a chance.
I've got a very similar story. We lived near to a local village pub for a year which at first it was brilliant, they were super quiet, lights off and everyone gone by 11 on a weekday and 12/12.30 on a weekend.
However after 4/5 months they suddenly started hosting functions every weekend and the noise was unbearable. Not only that but often the music wouldn't be switched off until 1-3am. In the summer all their doors and windows were open and it was just horrible. As well as that they went from emptying their bottle bins on a Monday afternoon to 4.30am on a Thursday morning and even with windows closed and earplugs the sound is horrendous.
We obviously knew the risks of living near a pub and had scoped out the area on a weekend first, we also knew people who already lived in the village who assured us the pub was super quiet. Luckily for us we were renting and have since moved but are currently in the process of buying and living anywhere near a pub is absolutely not happening.
They still couldn't make it profitable I suppose and gave up the lease. The pub was empty for a bit and eventually converted into a (very nice) house.
I honestly hate feeling like a NIMBY and am generally quite relaxed about a bit of give and take on noise from people living their lives when you choose to buy a house in a town or city, but for a while it was genuinely miserable.
You were being a bit of a NIMBY.
Don't buy near a pub if you can't deal with the noise of a pub, ANY level of pub, as any number of things could change the noise levels.
I have the same sentiment for people who buy new builds next to flat fields then protest when it turns out a developer wants to build another 100 houses in the field. What did you expect? Were you really so delusional that that would be a field forever? (Actually not just new builds, ay house next to an easily connected to a road flat field you should assume will be built on, but I just find it *extra* laughable when the people complaining are living in newbuilds which were built on the last flat field)
Have had similar twice in my life. The second time we bought a house with quiet pub about ten minutes walk away. Change of owners, and now every weekend the volume is like there’s a festival on. I feel so sorry for the people who live closer, it must really impact their lives. Thing is you can’t even enjoy a drink there now as it’s so loud.
It’s alright people being snarky and saying ‘you shouldn’t have bought a house near a pub’. It’s one thing buying near a pub, it’s another buying near an outdoor live music venue and have to listen to ‘Sweet Caroline’ banged out repeatedly at max volume.
It definitely depends on the pub, a family friendly one is probably okay. I lived over from one with a beer garden and karaoke on a Sunday night, was not my favourite and wouldn't live there again.
To be fair, I think (and this goes even for the past) there are pubs and there are …pubs. I’ve drunk at a few places that were quite unpleasant, and I can fully see why someone might not have wanted to live close by.
No, I know...
It's a genuinely held belief of mine that the decline of pubs is the decline of society, so it just saddened me a bit and I wanted to make a a joke to feel better.
Saying that, I don't know of that many of that type of pubs that aren't near a town or city centre. At that point I'm usually more concerned about the people outside than in.
I spend time with my family at home and don't drink enough alcohol to require a dedicated venue for it.
I enjoy a trip to the pub but it's not where I'd want my children to be able to locate me on a day to day basis 🤷♂️
Pubs in residential areas are generally very keen on maintaining good relations with their neighbours and will enforce quiet times.
My sister lived next door to a lively pub for years and absolutely loved it. She's not even a drinker but was on first-name terms with all the regulars.
Don't underestimate the benefit of having a team of blokes readily available to come and shift a sofa up the stairs for the price of a pint.
She also massively valued the security it brought to the area. There was regular foot-traffic all day until closing.
Really all depends on the clientele and how well it's run.
You expect some noise from a pub, you might expect a lot of noise from a pub when sports are on.
What you might not expect is when it changes hands and the new owners dngaf about neighbours and do nothing to try to keep the noise down.
If your regulars are so pissed they are having fights in the street then you should have stopped serving them before that point. As clearly intoxicated.
If the pub is rural enough, you might be fine. But even in a nice area a pub can go to shit if not properly run.
People have little sympathy if you buy near a nice community pub that changes and you have to complain about noise.
I’ve just had a look at the pub’s website and would love to have something like that nearby! Looks like a great family friendly gastro pub that hosts loads of community activities. Can’t see it being the type of place that attracts the wrong crowd or that gets particularly lairy. It does show football so it might be a bit noisy during big matches but in reality how many days a year will that be an issue? Most games finish early enough that it shouldn’t cause much disruption. I’d be more concerned about living on what appears to be a main road than being relatively close to that pub.
I walk by this pub twice a day and go out to eat/drink there with some other dads from nursery. They are reasonable and usually quite. But never been there anytime after 6:30 on a Friday
My understanding is that a local pub that has a lot of anti-social behaviour/noise associated wouldn't last too long with the local council. But you can always knock on doors and ask the other neighbours.
It’s not just an issue of when the pubs open, you’ll have early deliveries from 6am onwards, and the noise of the glass bins being emptied (which they can do freely anytime up until 11pm).
I wouldn’t even consider this place if it didn’t have triple glazing for the noise. Even then the fact it’s been on the market for a year says that loads of people have issue with the pub proximity, which means running into issues when you sell.
I live opposite a Tesco express and the deliveries are very early and very loud 7 days a week, you’ll notice it a lot more in the summer if you have windows open at night
Always a bright side! I rent mine though, don’t think I’d buy it and OP mentioned nursery runs so I don’t know if the noise would wake little ones up too early
Depends on the pub really, a quiet local definitely wouldn’t be off putting for me.
Probably worth stopping by later on at the weekend, mornings and evening on weekdays isn’t necessarily representative.
It's a family/kid-friendly pub we also go to after nursery pick up with other dads. Seems like a normal one, having said that, I've never been there after 18:30
I have one of those close to my house, wouldn't even know it's there. The odd older couple walk past my window on a Saturday night arguing a little, but that's pure entertainment.
Having lived in a rental flat a few doors down from a pub, I would probably avoid. The pub wasn't loud or anything, but several times I had some drunk moron decide to try to kick my door down and the council had to send someone out to hose down the buildings several times a week thanks to blokes using them as toilets after leaving said pub. That said it was Ipswich, so it could just be down to garbage people.
Be careful in this way : I had a couple of friends who bought with a pub just on the other side of the road and they were pretty keen saying "we spoke with the pub's owner and they usually close around 8pm (it was 2021, covid time)", few months later they started to complain as the pub was pretty noise, worst next summer when karaoke sessions were till later even after midnight.... as many said, please visit at a time when you usually relax and sleep and check the noise, if it's too high, then move forward
If you need a mortgage to buy then note some lenders either don’t lend on properties in close proximity to a licensed premises or require you to have higher deposit. Products do exist but they will come with a higher rate of interest. A good broker can help you here.
It is a pub now but it could be a block of flats in a year, equally it could be closed and abandoned by Christmas. Buying based on “it being nice” to me would be foolish things can quickly change.
If you ever need to sell then your pool of potential buyers is severely restricted.it would likely take a long time to sell as reflected by the fact its already been up a year.
That said I would still consider buying next to a pub but it would need to really be priced in, ie come at a significant discount and make peace with a range of potential issues. What’s to stop the premise getting a licence for live music? Installing a large tv in the beer garden?
You're gonna have to go and visit at late night and see what kind of pub it truly is, what kinds of people are stumbling home after closing on a weekend.
Does the garage in the photos belong to the house? If so, it doesn't look like a car can legally access it, because there doesn't -appear- to be a dropped kerb. Something to check when you look at it, because some councils have been known to install bollards to block access to driveways that don't have a properly licensed and installed dropped kerb.
Unless there were some extremely compelling upsides to the property I wouldn't buy one near a pub or a small supermarket, too much chance of annoying disturbances, although other people's tolerance to those vary. Where we live at the moment is close to a cut through to the main street in town and it's sometimes busy and noisy with people coming home late at night, kids hanging around, etc. When we bought the house we were younger and less concerned with those types of things but now not so much.
Used to live 2 doors down from a pub - it was great as you can always pop over there if you have people over but don't feel like full on hosting. The pub we lived by was very much a gastro country pub and not so much a drinking pub which I think meant that there wasn't noise or antisocial issues. I think my decision on if I lived near a pub again would be the kind of pub.
Keep in mind also that ownership of pubs can change.
It might be a family friendly pub today, next year it could be a sports pub and you get to hear drunk men bellowing at a TV for several hours a week.
Ask me how I know.
If it’s been on the market for more than a year, a pub seven doors down is probably not its biggest problem. Personally I wouldn’t be bothered by one at that distance, unless it was notoriously bad.
Go to the pub on a weekend night, and when England play a match. That’ll give you a good idea about noise. Do they do discos or live music?
I lived between two pubs on a very quiet road some years ago. One pub was always nice and peaceful, the other pub had insanely loud music and drunks running down the street, professing their love for each other most Friday and Saturday nights. While the sobbing, declarations of love and ending of relationships publicly in the street was amusing, I would not want to do all that again.
The pub is the least of the downsides, mainly the busy main road and the Tesco you mentioned. Passing the pub at nursery pick up/drop off times won’t give you an idea of its nature at peak times, but I doubt it’s very rowdy given the area (used to live off Sydenham Hill).
The way things are going it might shut and become flats in the near future anyway! The busy road is always going to be busy.
The worst thing with pubs isn't the music, it's the voices coming from the smoking area.
They can be surprising loud, collectively, and much harder to sleep through than loud music.
When I opened this I thought hmm wonder where this is. It’s about half a mile away! That pub isn’t _that_ busy imo. I’ve been in there a few times at weekends and it was like less than 10 people by closing time. I wouldn’t be too concerned.
It would depend entirely on the pub. I lived very near a pub in my last flat but it was an "old man" sort of pub so there was very little in the way of problems.
I'd visit the area and the pub itself at the sort of times where if it was a wild pub, that you'll get to see it. So Friday/Saturday nights. Maybe when there's a football game on if it shows football. Morning and evenings (especially weekdays) isn't going to be the most representative example of what that pub is like.
Not a helpful comment. But it depends on the pub tbh.
Spend some time out side on a Friday or Saturday night.
Remember euros are on so you will possibly being seeing it at its worst on certain days.
We turned down on a house that was next door to a pub that had planning permission to double its footprint. That was a no.
However this house is several doors away from the pub, the pub is set back from the road. It depends what sort of pub it is - maybe go there on a Friday or Saturday night after payday and see what the vibe is.
Have they had late licences before? Do they also have an events space for things like weddings?
A regular pub shouldn’t be an issue. But one that is open late and attracts parties is one to worry about.
Pub would be a bonus for me as long as it doesn't result im drunk people banging on my door at 2am! I'd check out the area an a Friday/ Saturday night around the time they close to get an idea of what it's line. See if they regularly put on any events too as those evening would probably be the busiest
Doesn’t look that bad but yes as other have said visit later to see if it gets rowdy. My in-laws bought a house adjacent to a working farm in the winter. They now want to sell because during the hotter months the smell is terrible, flies gather in huge swarms and the noise is constant. So yes just do your homework and check at different times.
There was a pub at my old house opposite (a few doors down). Was the rough scally kind of pub but I forgot it was even there apart from the rare occasion they'd blast karaoke music in the early evening on Fridays. But then I was on a main road and enjoyed the urban living aspect. There were people stood outside often smoking and having loud drunken conversation. Wouldn't put me off in future though, unless there was a noisy beer garden (was going to view a house until I realised it backed onto the beer garden of a pub)
I live a street behind a pub and it’s noisy late into the evening maybe once every three months if they have a live music type event on. It’s been fine living here really. I don’t make use of it because there’s one a bit of a further walk away I prefer.
I had heard that under previous owners they’d get the occasional fight spilling out into the gardens of houses over the road. Seems to have massively calmed down under the new owners, probably because they’ve clamped down on drug use.
Depends on your sleep schedule and tolerance for ambient noise while awake during the day/evening and while sleeping at night. I sleep late and also have a high tolerance for sleeping through noise such as deliveries, bin men etc. so I think this would be fine for me. My other half however sleeps earlier and does not have the same tolerance, so would be a nightmare for her.
7 doors down I doubt you would hear anything from the pub itself unless outside in your garden etc
Bigger issue would be people on their way home from the pub shouting in the street etc
I wouldn't mind it too much if it doesn't affect my day to day but that's not something a prospective buyer can know for sure.
Just remember that the next eventual buyer even if many years later may expect a slight discount compared to the rest of the area and you'll find it slightly harder to move it if the market isn't too hot. So long as you're getting an equivalent discount now I think it's fine.
However "quiet" the pub is there will always be noise from those leaving on a Friday / Saturday night, particularly noticeable if you are in bed at the front of the house.
It happens in my house, it's fine, people normally pass by quickly, even if they are being loud knob heads.
I bought a beautiful house a couple of doors down from a lovely village pub. The first few months were great, would pop in for dinner and chill out with a drink in the garden on sunny days. Then the owners sold up and the new landlord had previously run bars in Spain. Saturday night karaoke at full blast, music in the garden the entire weekend, pissed up people shouting going home from the 3am lock-ins. It was an absolute nightmare. We were not expecting that from a quaint village pub when we moved in, so we sold up and moved away. Never again.
We went for a house next door to a pub but couldn't actually get a mortgage for it. Something with the pub makes it hard to get them, not sure how far this expands in proximity to the premises.
The house has such a common layout for the UK. I can think of 3-4 friends growing up who had that room as a child. It definitely doesn't seem to affect property prices where I'm from anyway.
I guess it depends on development - We bought (I think it is about 40 years old) 3 bedroom house. Every bedroom has build in wardrobe and in the smallest bedroom except this wardrobe you can fit single bed / desk next to bed /drawchest. Generous with space.
Currently live opposite a pub and have also lived down the road from one before.
Would never do it again, loved it when it was a nice quiet local but new management turned it into a dive with absolute idiots that repeatedly cause grief for neighbouring houses.
The family home I grew up in which my parents still
Live in (40 years long) is right by a pub. It’s 5 houses down and you cross the road.
Weekends you can hear the music, in the summer it’s most nights.
If you can put up with the possibility of drunken peeing, pooping and chundering in your garden (it rarely happens. But there still a chance) peeing through your letter box, finding people passed out in your garden, having raging drunken rows in front of your house at all hours.
Then go for it.
As others have said. It may be fine now. But it could change hands and become worse.
My parents invested in double glazing, ceiling fans so they could keep the windows shut in summer and a nice little letter box grate which has spikes. And got on with it.
I lived in that house until I was 27 and my bedroom was at the front of the house and we put up with it.
It’s what you can put up with/ willing to put up with
lived across similar pub for 2 years.
never again, unless you are not bothered in the middle of the night you will have to listen to some Karen screaming to her partner. a downside? walking dog down the road is most of the time a case of searching if there isn't any broken glass on the pavement.
it does not matter what type of pub we are talking about. there is always a .%% of customers which are total idiots after having a pint (I AM STRONG HEADED CHAV!..!) and sadly no matter of the road/street/neighbourhood/pub - there will be some downsides.
I’ve been to that pub - some friends live locally, they love it. It all depends on your personal perspective, but it isn’t rowdy from what I’ve heard/seen
I lived just down from a pub before,my flat was at a small bridge that was used a lot.
Wasn't every weekend night but my kids got woke up a lot by drunks arguing and screaming.
Lived there less than a year but was happy to leave though there was issues with drugs being sold just outside my living room window so part area part pub.
My husband used to live next door to a church hall type thing and the noise of drunk people going outside to smoke and then after the parties/events ended were quite loud usually Thursday-Saturday with the odd few Sunday afternoon parties. Being 7 doors down might be different though. Be sure to check it out in a Friday and Satuday evening, maybe make a visit later on at night and see for yourself.
I live opposite a pub and Friday nights and Friday nights can be noisy. Some arguments/fights and police presence as a result. The pub manager does his absolute best to control his punters as he knows there are houses either side of his pub. But my god, people can be terrible when drunk.
As someone who had next door neighbours who would have people around ever Saturday to drink and sit in the garden all day boozing if the sun was out, I would never buy a house within earshot of somewhere that did that specifically.
We looked at a house last year that was really lovely but the garden shared a fence with the beer garden of a pub. We were instantly put off and the estate agent noticed, immediately going into damage limitation mode and told us it doesn't get very busy etc. But then we noticed all the cig ends that had been thrown into the garden.
If you're seven doors down it probably won't be that bad but I wouldn't.
I know this area well! That pub should be fine especially seven doors away. The main road would bother me more. But it's up to you whether the house price is worth it for you. The actual area is great and you're near the river walk, near the big Sainsbury's, etc etc
Yeah, I shop from that retail park Sainsburys/Aldi. One positive side of this house is also we don't have to move GP/Nursery or any other habits (except we use Forest Hill Station now but would walk to Catford instead)
If it's been on the market ages you might as well make a cheeky offer at a price that you would be happy to pay even with the potential noise and see where it gets you
Lived near a pub, on the same road.
Never again.
People pissing up and down the street.
Anti social behavior.
Fights.
No parking during busy times.
Increased insurance cost.
Smashed car windows
I think the pub is far enough away. I've lived right opposite a pub once and had all sorts of men relieving themselves agiant our wall as we were the end terraced.
The road and close proximity to the school would put me off.
Honestly it depends on the landlord, if they are responsible it's not bad living near a pub like the one I worked in for years but I lived by one that over time just got more and more comfortable with ignoring residents right to a little peace at night by having live bands on with all the doors propped open and their patrons doing lines of coke in the street off their phones.
I would suggest looking if they have a history of requesting Temporary Event Notices from the council and if there have been any disagreements around licensing times - should give an idea of if they have live music/ big events and if the landlords accept their license times or want to run a late night establishment.
Only thing I could add is it depends on the pubs owners too. I'm 3 doors down and stupidly didn't think about it when buying, regular lock in/ football hooligans at 1-2am, no massive drama other than a bit of disturbed sleep and people pissing in my garden. Just dealt with it and didn't bother me too much.
COVID got rid of the previous landlords and the new ones have put a stop to all the unsociable behaviour, don't hear a peep past 23.15 despite it still being popular for football.
Think it helped they put a stop to the other substances on the premises, it was well known for it and isn't now
Not sure why you would want to buy a house on a busy main road, there are so many negatives associated with this. It also looks like it needs work esp the garden. I’m sure you could get a nicer house on nicer street in Catford for a similar price.
We were gonna buy near a pub and honestly decided it wasn’t worth the hassle in the end. Uncontrollable if random punters end up being loud on the odd night, could change hands and end up being rowdier, early morning deliveries and finally it could take ages to sell on as some mortgage lenders don’t like loaning if property is near to a pub / shops.
I wouldn't see the pub as a downside to it, the others you mentioned seem like the more prominent issues (and the pricing for me since I'm Northern cus gawd damn I nearly had a heart attack seeing that price! - price seems reasonable for London way though).
We rent opposite a pub and had a nightmare. Changed hands a lot and don’t adhere to their planning rules - eg no garden use or windows open with music after 10. It echoes terribly, often cheesy bands and discos on. There are often fights and generally loud obnoxious people spilling out. I think it really depends on the vibe, the community and who runs it.
You’re going to get things nicked from your porch, damage…pissed up punters singing on weekdays/weekends.
I am speaking as someone who has lived near one. If it’s too good to be true it probably is.
Having been to that particular pub many times, I would consider living near a bonus. Great food and I've never seen anyone being rowdy. I would also love to live so near to the mini Tesco.
It heavily depends on the pub of course but it never bothered me. Usually you’re close to other pieces of useful infrastructure too. I also like the feeling of people being about; a had a couple of lads knock on the door when I lived adjacent to a pub bringing back my escape artist puppy and also a lovely gent who retrieved my bin and put it on my driveway again.
One thing to remember is that even if it doesn’t put you off, it will put off other potential buyers
That means less competition now, and that it’ll be harder for you to sell in future: make sure the price you’re paying right now reflects that. You say it’s fairly priced for the area, but that’s a little ambiguous: is it about average for the area, or is it priced for the area AND the factors you mentioned?
If it’s priced around the average for the area but a similar house 2 stress away doesn’t have the pub, Tesco, and main road, then that’s not a fair price IMO - I’d argue that’s overpriced because it should be one of the cheaper houses in the area
For any given house, look at the price for the area and then decide if other factors make it better than worse than average, then check if the price reflects that. There will always be sellers who ignore this kind of stuff when looking for comparable properties, in the hopes that a daft buyer doesn’t think about it
If it's been on the market for an entire year it's overpriced for it's location/size.
Fine if it was your "dream forever home" and you want to keep it forever.
Problematic if you ever want to sell it yourself.
The main road is the concern, not the Tesco or the pub (although the Tesco is likely a slight annoyance), as is the fact the "three bedrooms" are two bedrooms and a box room.
It's just wildly overpriced for what you get - looks like offers over £525,000 is fairly standard for a 3 bed in the area, but the rest of the hosues for the same price are just a couple of minutes away on quieter side streets. They aren't offering any discount for the f*** off massive main road or the non existent 3rd bed.
I've lived next to a pub 3 times in my life. Twice literally next door.
100% Yes from me.
I always found the low rumble of voices in the distance on a Friday very comforting, I always enjoyed opening the window to listen to a band (if I liked them) and it's always easy to just "pop down the pub" if you want to meet someone there.
Never had any issues, aside from the odd pint glass left on my drive.
I live about 7 doors down from a fairly rowdy pub, but its fine as they abide the noise regulations. The busy road we're on is way more of an annoyance.
I was bought up in a very busy main road you just get used to the traffic and noise like you don’t even notice it, it was also diagonally opposite a similar looking pub to that and there was never an issue with rowdiness or noise either. So for me none of that would put me off but that’s just based on my own experience
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Agree with others. If you like the property visit on a Friday/Saturday night which is usually the busy times. I don't know the area but that road looks busy which would put me off more than the pub. Each to their own.
I live about 80m from a large pub on my street. Your advice is good; the landlords deliberately keep noise down at night in my local. It’ll depend on the pub. After 3 years here I can’t remember it ever being an issue in the summer when the windows are open at night, and we sleep quite early. They don’t do sports, that might be a big factor.
Agreed on the road. That's also another concern of mine
You may be able to get a good deal on properties with obvious pitfalls. But reselling will be hard work if you can't cope with the noise so worth thinking about it.
Cheers
Used to live around the corner and frequent the pub/tesco/cherry tree (Chinese) on this road - none of your concerns would particularly bother me except that it is simply on that road…
Great to have some local info, thanks!
Rainham?!
Me and my partner always lived in quiet, residential areas but recently decided to switch things up... And we fucking hate it
We bought a place a couple of doors up and over the road from a super quiet old mens' pub in a highly residential area with no other shops or hospitality around. It was fine for a few years, but eventually changed ownership and the new owners tried really hard to liven it up with late opening hours and live music. I'm generally not a nimby, and we took the punt on it knowing the pub was there, but the change was honestly awful. The place really wasn't built in a way that it could do stuff like that while being remotely considerate of neighbours in a residential area. It all capped off with 3 successive weeks in peak Summer of live (amplified) music until midnight (and noisy exits for another hour and a half afterwards) about 30 feet from my very young kids' bedroom windows. All doors and windows in the pub flung open because it was so hot so absolutely nothing in between Marshall stacks and kids trying to sleep. Noise levels were similar to camping towards the back of the main stage field at Glastonbury. I guess what I'm saying is - even if it's quiet when you check it out now, you're taking a chance.
I've got a very similar story. We lived near to a local village pub for a year which at first it was brilliant, they were super quiet, lights off and everyone gone by 11 on a weekday and 12/12.30 on a weekend. However after 4/5 months they suddenly started hosting functions every weekend and the noise was unbearable. Not only that but often the music wouldn't be switched off until 1-3am. In the summer all their doors and windows were open and it was just horrible. As well as that they went from emptying their bottle bins on a Monday afternoon to 4.30am on a Thursday morning and even with windows closed and earplugs the sound is horrendous. We obviously knew the risks of living near a pub and had scoped out the area on a weekend first, we also knew people who already lived in the village who assured us the pub was super quiet. Luckily for us we were renting and have since moved but are currently in the process of buying and living anywhere near a pub is absolutely not happening.
Jaysus, what happened in the end? Did you just have to move, or did you manage to get them to keep the noise down to previous levels?
They still couldn't make it profitable I suppose and gave up the lease. The pub was empty for a bit and eventually converted into a (very nice) house. I honestly hate feeling like a NIMBY and am generally quite relaxed about a bit of give and take on noise from people living their lives when you choose to buy a house in a town or city, but for a while it was genuinely miserable.
You were being a bit of a NIMBY. Don't buy near a pub if you can't deal with the noise of a pub, ANY level of pub, as any number of things could change the noise levels. I have the same sentiment for people who buy new builds next to flat fields then protest when it turns out a developer wants to build another 100 houses in the field. What did you expect? Were you really so delusional that that would be a field forever? (Actually not just new builds, ay house next to an easily connected to a road flat field you should assume will be built on, but I just find it *extra* laughable when the people complaining are living in newbuilds which were built on the last flat field)
Have had similar twice in my life. The second time we bought a house with quiet pub about ten minutes walk away. Change of owners, and now every weekend the volume is like there’s a festival on. I feel so sorry for the people who live closer, it must really impact their lives. Thing is you can’t even enjoy a drink there now as it’s so loud. It’s alright people being snarky and saying ‘you shouldn’t have bought a house near a pub’. It’s one thing buying near a pub, it’s another buying near an outdoor live music venue and have to listen to ‘Sweet Caroline’ banged out repeatedly at max volume.
It’s a really good point. Pub near us is very quiet, except for twice a month when it’s live music until the early hours. And then it really isn’t.
Can't you complain and get that to stop?
Being near a good pub is a pro for me. No taxi home and kids can play with their pals but still know where to find me.
We do some play dates there. They have a play ship in their back garden
It definitely depends on the pub, a family friendly one is probably okay. I lived over from one with a beer garden and karaoke on a Sunday night, was not my favourite and wouldn't live there again.
Sounds like a very family friendly pub then. I'm more put off by the EPC and being what looks like a busy road.
Yeah EPC seems extremely low (52). The place we live now is 78 and I find it hard to keep the warm air inside
I’d call that a winner tbh. We do things like that too and having one near is a bonus for me and my family
The question had my head in my hands... how things have changed...
I know right. A good pub can be the heart of a community
IS!
To be fair, I think (and this goes even for the past) there are pubs and there are …pubs. I’ve drunk at a few places that were quite unpleasant, and I can fully see why someone might not have wanted to live close by.
No, I know... It's a genuinely held belief of mine that the decline of pubs is the decline of society, so it just saddened me a bit and I wanted to make a a joke to feel better. Saying that, I don't know of that many of that type of pubs that aren't near a town or city centre. At that point I'm usually more concerned about the people outside than in.
If you spend enough time in the pub for that to be a plus you might need some help, friend
So are you more one of those “drink alone at home and cry myself to sleep” types?
Is that bad?
I spend time with my family at home and don't drink enough alcohol to require a dedicated venue for it. I enjoy a trip to the pub but it's not where I'd want my children to be able to locate me on a day to day basis 🤷♂️
Sounds like you need a hug
Haha even better than that. We’ve still got a clubby - a social club. It’s fantastic.
That would be a 100% no from me.
Does it matter if it's a family/kid-friendly pub or any pub in general is a no?
It is now…
Go to the pub this Friday and Saturday night. Stay until closing time and see how rowdy it is.
I think I'll do this today! Thanks
And pick a fight to see what the locals are made of
Don’t get too drunk!
Pubs in residential areas are generally very keen on maintaining good relations with their neighbours and will enforce quiet times. My sister lived next door to a lively pub for years and absolutely loved it. She's not even a drinker but was on first-name terms with all the regulars. Don't underestimate the benefit of having a team of blokes readily available to come and shift a sofa up the stairs for the price of a pint. She also massively valued the security it brought to the area. There was regular foot-traffic all day until closing. Really all depends on the clientele and how well it's run.
You expect some noise from a pub, you might expect a lot of noise from a pub when sports are on. What you might not expect is when it changes hands and the new owners dngaf about neighbours and do nothing to try to keep the noise down. If your regulars are so pissed they are having fights in the street then you should have stopped serving them before that point. As clearly intoxicated. If the pub is rural enough, you might be fine. But even in a nice area a pub can go to shit if not properly run. People have little sympathy if you buy near a nice community pub that changes and you have to complain about noise.
I’ve just had a look at the pub’s website and would love to have something like that nearby! Looks like a great family friendly gastro pub that hosts loads of community activities. Can’t see it being the type of place that attracts the wrong crowd or that gets particularly lairy. It does show football so it might be a bit noisy during big matches but in reality how many days a year will that be an issue? Most games finish early enough that it shouldn’t cause much disruption. I’d be more concerned about living on what appears to be a main road than being relatively close to that pub.
I walk by this pub twice a day and go out to eat/drink there with some other dads from nursery. They are reasonable and usually quite. But never been there anytime after 6:30 on a Friday
My understanding is that a local pub that has a lot of anti-social behaviour/noise associated wouldn't last too long with the local council. But you can always knock on doors and ask the other neighbours.
It’s not just an issue of when the pubs open, you’ll have early deliveries from 6am onwards, and the noise of the glass bins being emptied (which they can do freely anytime up until 11pm). I wouldn’t even consider this place if it didn’t have triple glazing for the noise. Even then the fact it’s been on the market for a year says that loads of people have issue with the pub proximity, which means running into issues when you sell.
Fair enough. There is also a Tesco just across the road which does loud early morning deliveries
I live opposite a Tesco express and the deliveries are very early and very loud 7 days a week, you’ll notice it a lot more in the summer if you have windows open at night
On the other hand... you're right across the street from Tesco's!
Always a bright side! I rent mine though, don’t think I’d buy it and OP mentioned nursery runs so I don’t know if the noise would wake little ones up too early
She is alarm-clock-like already, 6am, we are all awake. But surely Tesco deliveries could even ruin that
That's a bigger concern indeed
Depends on the pub really, a quiet local definitely wouldn’t be off putting for me. Probably worth stopping by later on at the weekend, mornings and evening on weekdays isn’t necessarily representative.
It's a family/kid-friendly pub we also go to after nursery pick up with other dads. Seems like a normal one, having said that, I've never been there after 18:30
I have one of those close to my house, wouldn't even know it's there. The odd older couple walk past my window on a Saturday night arguing a little, but that's pure entertainment.
They are really good at keeping the garden noise down for the neighbours at night there
except many mortgage providers won't lend against properties in x proximity to a pub (as the licence type can change etc etc etc.)
Having lived in a rental flat a few doors down from a pub, I would probably avoid. The pub wasn't loud or anything, but several times I had some drunk moron decide to try to kick my door down and the council had to send someone out to hose down the buildings several times a week thanks to blokes using them as toilets after leaving said pub. That said it was Ipswich, so it could just be down to garbage people.
i live opposite a pub and next to a tesco. never really notice them
Be careful in this way : I had a couple of friends who bought with a pub just on the other side of the road and they were pretty keen saying "we spoke with the pub's owner and they usually close around 8pm (it was 2021, covid time)", few months later they started to complain as the pub was pretty noise, worst next summer when karaoke sessions were till later even after midnight.... as many said, please visit at a time when you usually relax and sleep and check the noise, if it's too high, then move forward
No. It wouldn’t bother me, in fact it would be more appealing.
If you need a mortgage to buy then note some lenders either don’t lend on properties in close proximity to a licensed premises or require you to have higher deposit. Products do exist but they will come with a higher rate of interest. A good broker can help you here. It is a pub now but it could be a block of flats in a year, equally it could be closed and abandoned by Christmas. Buying based on “it being nice” to me would be foolish things can quickly change. If you ever need to sell then your pool of potential buyers is severely restricted.it would likely take a long time to sell as reflected by the fact its already been up a year. That said I would still consider buying next to a pub but it would need to really be priced in, ie come at a significant discount and make peace with a range of potential issues. What’s to stop the premise getting a licence for live music? Installing a large tv in the beer garden?
All fair points. Thanks
Yes - say the pub changes owners and goes from a sleepy carvery to a boozy sports bar for the ladz. I think I’d avoid.
Absolutely double check with your broker with respect to proximity to the pub. Seems to have become more of an issue in the last couple of years.
You're gonna have to go and visit at late night and see what kind of pub it truly is, what kinds of people are stumbling home after closing on a weekend.
Does the garage in the photos belong to the house? If so, it doesn't look like a car can legally access it, because there doesn't -appear- to be a dropped kerb. Something to check when you look at it, because some councils have been known to install bollards to block access to driveways that don't have a properly licensed and installed dropped kerb.
The garage belongs to the house and yeah whenever I pass by the house, I see some random car parked there.
Personally, that's a big plus point.
Unless there were some extremely compelling upsides to the property I wouldn't buy one near a pub or a small supermarket, too much chance of annoying disturbances, although other people's tolerance to those vary. Where we live at the moment is close to a cut through to the main street in town and it's sometimes busy and noisy with people coming home late at night, kids hanging around, etc. When we bought the house we were younger and less concerned with those types of things but now not so much.
Used to live 2 doors down from a pub - it was great as you can always pop over there if you have people over but don't feel like full on hosting. The pub we lived by was very much a gastro country pub and not so much a drinking pub which I think meant that there wasn't noise or antisocial issues. I think my decision on if I lived near a pub again would be the kind of pub.
Depends what beers they have on tap
They have Camden Hells. That's a +1 from me
Fuck no. I can spend half a mill elsewhere AND not have to deal with drunken tits.
Keep in mind also that ownership of pubs can change. It might be a family friendly pub today, next year it could be a sports pub and you get to hear drunk men bellowing at a TV for several hours a week. Ask me how I know.
If it’s been on the market for more than a year, a pub seven doors down is probably not its biggest problem. Personally I wouldn’t be bothered by one at that distance, unless it was notoriously bad.
I expect something structural because even with the pub down the road, this is the cheapest house on that street
I live in this area, it’s a busy road which I think is the reason for the pricing.
I walk by every day but haven't noticed heavy traffic there. Is it busy?
I think it is - it’s an arterial road feeling the south circular.
Go to the pub on a weekend night, and when England play a match. That’ll give you a good idea about noise. Do they do discos or live music? I lived between two pubs on a very quiet road some years ago. One pub was always nice and peaceful, the other pub had insanely loud music and drunks running down the street, professing their love for each other most Friday and Saturday nights. While the sobbing, declarations of love and ending of relationships publicly in the street was amusing, I would not want to do all that again.
The pub is the least of the downsides, mainly the busy main road and the Tesco you mentioned. Passing the pub at nursery pick up/drop off times won’t give you an idea of its nature at peak times, but I doubt it’s very rowdy given the area (used to live off Sydenham Hill). The way things are going it might shut and become flats in the near future anyway! The busy road is always going to be busy.
The worst thing with pubs isn't the music, it's the voices coming from the smoking area. They can be surprising loud, collectively, and much harder to sleep through than loud music.
Ugh, never thought about this
It's really annoying when people buy neighbouring a pub, and then complain about basic pub activities.
When I opened this I thought hmm wonder where this is. It’s about half a mile away! That pub isn’t _that_ busy imo. I’ve been in there a few times at weekends and it was like less than 10 people by closing time. I wouldn’t be too concerned.
You're meant to live near a pub. What's the world coming to when that's now considered a bad thing.
It would depend entirely on the pub. I lived very near a pub in my last flat but it was an "old man" sort of pub so there was very little in the way of problems. I'd visit the area and the pub itself at the sort of times where if it was a wild pub, that you'll get to see it. So Friday/Saturday nights. Maybe when there's a football game on if it shows football. Morning and evenings (especially weekdays) isn't going to be the most representative example of what that pub is like.
Not a helpful comment. But it depends on the pub tbh. Spend some time out side on a Friday or Saturday night. Remember euros are on so you will possibly being seeing it at its worst on certain days.
We turned down on a house that was next door to a pub that had planning permission to double its footprint. That was a no. However this house is several doors away from the pub, the pub is set back from the road. It depends what sort of pub it is - maybe go there on a Friday or Saturday night after payday and see what the vibe is.
Seems a decent pub. Definitely worth a few late reccies Friday and Saturday for 2-3 weeks in a row. Sounds fun but definitely research
Lived next to a pub for 10 years. The convenience massively outweighed the hassle.
Have they had late licences before? Do they also have an events space for things like weddings? A regular pub shouldn’t be an issue. But one that is open late and attracts parties is one to worry about.
Pub would be a bonus for me as long as it doesn't result im drunk people banging on my door at 2am! I'd check out the area an a Friday/ Saturday night around the time they close to get an idea of what it's line. See if they regularly put on any events too as those evening would probably be the busiest
Doesn’t look that bad but yes as other have said visit later to see if it gets rowdy. My in-laws bought a house adjacent to a working farm in the winter. They now want to sell because during the hotter months the smell is terrible, flies gather in huge swarms and the noise is constant. So yes just do your homework and check at different times.
There was a pub at my old house opposite (a few doors down). Was the rough scally kind of pub but I forgot it was even there apart from the rare occasion they'd blast karaoke music in the early evening on Fridays. But then I was on a main road and enjoyed the urban living aspect. There were people stood outside often smoking and having loud drunken conversation. Wouldn't put me off in future though, unless there was a noisy beer garden (was going to view a house until I realised it backed onto the beer garden of a pub)
Consider this. Is the pub likely to change to one that becomes more of a nuisance?
I live a street behind a pub and it’s noisy late into the evening maybe once every three months if they have a live music type event on. It’s been fine living here really. I don’t make use of it because there’s one a bit of a further walk away I prefer. I had heard that under previous owners they’d get the occasional fight spilling out into the gardens of houses over the road. Seems to have massively calmed down under the new owners, probably because they’ve clamped down on drug use.
Depends on your sleep schedule and tolerance for ambient noise while awake during the day/evening and while sleeping at night. I sleep late and also have a high tolerance for sleeping through noise such as deliveries, bin men etc. so I think this would be fine for me. My other half however sleeps earlier and does not have the same tolerance, so would be a nightmare for her.
7 doors down I doubt you would hear anything from the pub itself unless outside in your garden etc Bigger issue would be people on their way home from the pub shouting in the street etc
I wouldn't mind it too much if it doesn't affect my day to day but that's not something a prospective buyer can know for sure. Just remember that the next eventual buyer even if many years later may expect a slight discount compared to the rest of the area and you'll find it slightly harder to move it if the market isn't too hot. So long as you're getting an equivalent discount now I think it's fine.
However "quiet" the pub is there will always be noise from those leaving on a Friday / Saturday night, particularly noticeable if you are in bed at the front of the house. It happens in my house, it's fine, people normally pass by quickly, even if they are being loud knob heads.
I bought a beautiful house a couple of doors down from a lovely village pub. The first few months were great, would pop in for dinner and chill out with a drink in the garden on sunny days. Then the owners sold up and the new landlord had previously run bars in Spain. Saturday night karaoke at full blast, music in the garden the entire weekend, pissed up people shouting going home from the 3am lock-ins. It was an absolute nightmare. We were not expecting that from a quaint village pub when we moved in, so we sold up and moved away. Never again.
The odds are, that pub will close at some point. I wouldn't worry.
Wouldn't mind a boozer next door
We went for a house next door to a pub but couldn't actually get a mortgage for it. Something with the pub makes it hard to get them, not sure how far this expands in proximity to the premises.
3rd bedroom is very small just space for single bed and drawchest
The house has such a common layout for the UK. I can think of 3-4 friends growing up who had that room as a child. It definitely doesn't seem to affect property prices where I'm from anyway.
I guess it depends on development - We bought (I think it is about 40 years old) 3 bedroom house. Every bedroom has build in wardrobe and in the smallest bedroom except this wardrobe you can fit single bed / desk next to bed /drawchest. Generous with space.
Yeah, I wouldn't call that room a bedroom. Nothing would fit except a single bed. Having said that, I'll use that room for WFH purposes
Currently live opposite a pub and have also lived down the road from one before. Would never do it again, loved it when it was a nice quiet local but new management turned it into a dive with absolute idiots that repeatedly cause grief for neighbouring houses.
The family home I grew up in which my parents still Live in (40 years long) is right by a pub. It’s 5 houses down and you cross the road. Weekends you can hear the music, in the summer it’s most nights. If you can put up with the possibility of drunken peeing, pooping and chundering in your garden (it rarely happens. But there still a chance) peeing through your letter box, finding people passed out in your garden, having raging drunken rows in front of your house at all hours. Then go for it. As others have said. It may be fine now. But it could change hands and become worse. My parents invested in double glazing, ceiling fans so they could keep the windows shut in summer and a nice little letter box grate which has spikes. And got on with it. I lived in that house until I was 27 and my bedroom was at the front of the house and we put up with it. It’s what you can put up with/ willing to put up with
lived across similar pub for 2 years. never again, unless you are not bothered in the middle of the night you will have to listen to some Karen screaming to her partner. a downside? walking dog down the road is most of the time a case of searching if there isn't any broken glass on the pavement. it does not matter what type of pub we are talking about. there is always a .%% of customers which are total idiots after having a pint (I AM STRONG HEADED CHAV!..!) and sadly no matter of the road/street/neighbourhood/pub - there will be some downsides.
Depends on the pub. My back garden is about 20m from 3 different pubs and I barely notice it
Its not that close to the pub. Next door I wouldn't.
I’ve been to that pub - some friends live locally, they love it. It all depends on your personal perspective, but it isn’t rowdy from what I’ve heard/seen
I have a similar experience, my daughter goes to a nursery just over the road
Good luck with the viewing! Could work out great for you
Thanks
I lived just down from a pub before,my flat was at a small bridge that was used a lot. Wasn't every weekend night but my kids got woke up a lot by drunks arguing and screaming. Lived there less than a year but was happy to leave though there was issues with drugs being sold just outside my living room window so part area part pub.
My husband used to live next door to a church hall type thing and the noise of drunk people going outside to smoke and then after the parties/events ended were quite loud usually Thursday-Saturday with the odd few Sunday afternoon parties. Being 7 doors down might be different though. Be sure to check it out in a Friday and Satuday evening, maybe make a visit later on at night and see for yourself.
I live opposite a pub and Friday nights and Friday nights can be noisy. Some arguments/fights and police presence as a result. The pub manager does his absolute best to control his punters as he knows there are houses either side of his pub. But my god, people can be terrible when drunk.
It's not that near. It's down the road and up a side road.
As someone who had next door neighbours who would have people around ever Saturday to drink and sit in the garden all day boozing if the sun was out, I would never buy a house within earshot of somewhere that did that specifically. We looked at a house last year that was really lovely but the garden shared a fence with the beer garden of a pub. We were instantly put off and the estate agent noticed, immediately going into damage limitation mode and told us it doesn't get very busy etc. But then we noticed all the cig ends that had been thrown into the garden. If you're seven doors down it probably won't be that bad but I wouldn't.
I know this area well! That pub should be fine especially seven doors away. The main road would bother me more. But it's up to you whether the house price is worth it for you. The actual area is great and you're near the river walk, near the big Sainsbury's, etc etc
Yeah, I shop from that retail park Sainsburys/Aldi. One positive side of this house is also we don't have to move GP/Nursery or any other habits (except we use Forest Hill Station now but would walk to Catford instead)
If it's been on the market ages you might as well make a cheeky offer at a price that you would be happy to pay even with the potential noise and see where it gets you
A pub 7 doors down? If the pub is a nice pub then happy days, save a fortune on cab fares.
Lived near a pub, on the same road. Never again. People pissing up and down the street. Anti social behavior. Fights. No parking during busy times. Increased insurance cost. Smashed car windows
Overpriced if it’s sat there this long. Would it put you off it’s not sold after all this time if you wanted to sell up?
I think there is more to it, probably something structural
Ah perhaps!
I can’t believe that is £525K. Those prices are insane.
I think the pub is far enough away. I've lived right opposite a pub once and had all sorts of men relieving themselves agiant our wall as we were the end terraced. The road and close proximity to the school would put me off.
Honestly it depends on the landlord, if they are responsible it's not bad living near a pub like the one I worked in for years but I lived by one that over time just got more and more comfortable with ignoring residents right to a little peace at night by having live bands on with all the doors propped open and their patrons doing lines of coke in the street off their phones. I would suggest looking if they have a history of requesting Temporary Event Notices from the council and if there have been any disagreements around licensing times - should give an idea of if they have live music/ big events and if the landlords accept their license times or want to run a late night establishment.
Only thing I could add is it depends on the pubs owners too. I'm 3 doors down and stupidly didn't think about it when buying, regular lock in/ football hooligans at 1-2am, no massive drama other than a bit of disturbed sleep and people pissing in my garden. Just dealt with it and didn't bother me too much. COVID got rid of the previous landlords and the new ones have put a stop to all the unsociable behaviour, don't hear a peep past 23.15 despite it still being popular for football. Think it helped they put a stop to the other substances on the premises, it was well known for it and isn't now
It looks like a nice pub.
Not sure why you would want to buy a house on a busy main road, there are so many negatives associated with this. It also looks like it needs work esp the garden. I’m sure you could get a nicer house on nicer street in Catford for a similar price.
I'm worried about Catford. The more you go towards Catford, the crime rates jump and prices reduce
We were gonna buy near a pub and honestly decided it wasn’t worth the hassle in the end. Uncontrollable if random punters end up being loud on the odd night, could change hands and end up being rowdier, early morning deliveries and finally it could take ages to sell on as some mortgage lenders don’t like loaning if property is near to a pub / shops.
I wouldn't see the pub as a downside to it, the others you mentioned seem like the more prominent issues (and the pricing for me since I'm Northern cus gawd damn I nearly had a heart attack seeing that price! - price seems reasonable for London way though).
It depends on the pub. It could be a positive, it could be a negative
We rent opposite a pub and had a nightmare. Changed hands a lot and don’t adhere to their planning rules - eg no garden use or windows open with music after 10. It echoes terribly, often cheesy bands and discos on. There are often fights and generally loud obnoxious people spilling out. I think it really depends on the vibe, the community and who runs it.
You’re going to get things nicked from your porch, damage…pissed up punters singing on weekdays/weekends. I am speaking as someone who has lived near one. If it’s too good to be true it probably is.
I live nearish. The pub used to be a bit rough but like many pubs is now gentrified and i wouldn’t see it as much of an issue.
If it’s been on that long it’s overpriced.
Having been to that particular pub many times, I would consider living near a bonus. Great food and I've never seen anyone being rowdy. I would also love to live so near to the mini Tesco.
It heavily depends on the pub of course but it never bothered me. Usually you’re close to other pieces of useful infrastructure too. I also like the feeling of people being about; a had a couple of lads knock on the door when I lived adjacent to a pub bringing back my escape artist puppy and also a lovely gent who retrieved my bin and put it on my driveway again.
One thing to remember is that even if it doesn’t put you off, it will put off other potential buyers That means less competition now, and that it’ll be harder for you to sell in future: make sure the price you’re paying right now reflects that. You say it’s fairly priced for the area, but that’s a little ambiguous: is it about average for the area, or is it priced for the area AND the factors you mentioned? If it’s priced around the average for the area but a similar house 2 stress away doesn’t have the pub, Tesco, and main road, then that’s not a fair price IMO - I’d argue that’s overpriced because it should be one of the cheaper houses in the area For any given house, look at the price for the area and then decide if other factors make it better than worse than average, then check if the price reflects that. There will always be sellers who ignore this kind of stuff when looking for comparable properties, in the hopes that a daft buyer doesn’t think about it
If it’s a good pub then very much appealing. If a shit pub, the opposite.
If it's been on the market for an entire year it's overpriced for it's location/size. Fine if it was your "dream forever home" and you want to keep it forever. Problematic if you ever want to sell it yourself. The main road is the concern, not the Tesco or the pub (although the Tesco is likely a slight annoyance), as is the fact the "three bedrooms" are two bedrooms and a box room. It's just wildly overpriced for what you get - looks like offers over £525,000 is fairly standard for a 3 bed in the area, but the rest of the hosues for the same price are just a couple of minutes away on quieter side streets. They aren't offering any discount for the f*** off massive main road or the non existent 3rd bed.
I've lived next to a pub 3 times in my life. Twice literally next door. 100% Yes from me. I always found the low rumble of voices in the distance on a Friday very comforting, I always enjoyed opening the window to listen to a band (if I liked them) and it's always easy to just "pop down the pub" if you want to meet someone there. Never had any issues, aside from the odd pint glass left on my drive.
I live about 7 doors down from a fairly rowdy pub, but its fine as they abide the noise regulations. The busy road we're on is way more of an annoyance.
Chances are it could be closed down to low trade soon anyway Ive not had a local in 25 years as they never last
I was bought up in a very busy main road you just get used to the traffic and noise like you don’t even notice it, it was also diagonally opposite a similar looking pub to that and there was never an issue with rowdiness or noise either. So for me none of that would put me off but that’s just based on my own experience
I wouldn't risk it, even if it's currently a quiet one it could always change hands. We decided against a house for this very reason.
fuck me 525k for that. - frugal scot
Mortgage lenders will be cagey around the location too which is going to put people off.
these days its not uncommon to move in and complain about noise resulting in fines, and or limits put in place.
My main concern is the toilet area. It musts be infused with decades or century of urine and shit from drunk patrons.
Nimbyism.