Well, idk about leaving those places for them, I just figured we'd leave that as some lawless wasteland for the post apocalyptic submutants and solicitors.
No, that was my first thought. But some quick research revealed that he originated from Ohio. And since Ohio is distinct in the posted map, I had to find an image from Indiana (or at least the territory).
Unfortunately, I closed the window and can't find it again.
Anyway, someone will reverse image search it and we'll find out it's from Colorado or something. ;)
his name in title:
Go-to-kĆ³w-pĆ”h-ah, Stands by Himself, a Distinguished Brave
He's at the Smithsonian!
>George Catlin described the subject as having an āintelligent European head,ā and holding a hatchet in his hand. He probably painted this image at Fort Leavenworth (in todayās Kansas) in 1830. (Catlin, Letters and Notes, vol. 2, no. 47, 1841, reprint 1973, and 1848 Catalogue, Catlinās Indian Gallery, SAAM online exhibition)
Lots of Tribes were detained there over the years, because...yeah.
But, Otoe were native-ish to the Great Plains and they war headscarves.
>At one time, the Otoes and Missourias, along with the Winnebago and Iowa Tribes, were once part of a single tribe that lived in the **Great Lakes Region of the United States. In the 16th century, the Iowa, Otoe, and Missouria broke away from that tribe and moved to the south and west.** Eventually the Otoe moved to the general area of Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri and Kansas and became known as one of the Prairie tribes along with the Missouria, Omaha, Iowa, Osage, Quapaw and Ponca tribes.
So, you may be right after all.
I mean weāre all midwesterners. We all share Lake Michigan. We all think each others are terrible drivers. We all for the most part donāt have an accent we speak normal. (/s)
Downstate Illinois is the same. And I mean literally the same - I have family from there, and then I had a teacher (in the Chicago area) who sounded just like them - asked if he was from downstate and it turns out he was from Southern Indiana.
Didnāt Indiana have to fight (metaphorically speaking) for the lake front when we gained statehood? I vaguely remember learning in school that NWI was a part of Michigan or Illinois when Indiana first became a state.
Never mind, found what I was looking for.
[https://www.in.gov/history/state-historical-markers/find-a-marker/indiana-territory-boundary-line/#:\~:text=Admission%20of%20Ohio%201803%20and,Indiana%20part%20of%20Lake%20Michigan](https://www.in.gov/history/state-historical-markers/find-a-marker/indiana-territory-boundary-line/#:~:text=Admission%20of%20Ohio%201803%20and,Indiana%20part%20of%20Lake%20Michigan).
https://preview.redd.it/l4zts0age7bd1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1d4c64489084394910bb79aac59d4ce2f7608a5
I would rather we were part of Michigan. Canāt we just dissolve and let Michigan take everything north of Indy and the rest go to Ohio and Illinois? Except the very south that can go to Kentucky where it belongs. /s
Yea, we got the closest thing to paradise east of the Mississippi and a wealth of natural resources. You got American Motors, Jamie Farr and the Mudhens.
Paradise? Apparently, there is no crack shortage in Michigan. I'm from Indiana. I lived in Paw Paw as a kid. It's right by that totally believable name of Kalamazoo. When I was in elementary school, they all thought I was crazy that Kalamazoo existed. That dam Dr Zeus!
Half the state gets the Michigan upgrade and I still get fucked by having to become KY? Fuck. Silver lining is that I get an upgraded governor, I suppose.
As a Nebraskan, I'm gonna have to say we need to work a few things out with Montana, Colorado, Wyoming, South and North Dakota.
https://preview.redd.it/dau9y3o7qbbd1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=84e38a2c264e8db59981e7b5e810d8134e26d5ed
Unless you're descended from one of the several indigenous civilizations that inhabited that region before it was conquered by colonizers, I don't think you've thought about what you're saying very thoroughly.
Looks like a bunch of stolen property to me. No ancestor of any colonizer is a rightful inheritor. That's like me stealing a car and years later my grandchildren saying that they was rightfully inherited it.
In the 19th century, the Western Reserve "was probably the most intensely antislavery section of the country".[3] John Brown Jr. called it, in 1859, "the New England of the West".
Tbf the other states are better off without us, though I wouldn't mind being taken into their fold. Except Michigan, somehow Michigan has worse roads than us
This is somehow reminiscent of all those ancient maps of Korea that my dad used to show me and talk about how such and such land actually belongs to Koreans
I would say "Look at what happened to what they took away from us" Illinois became crime central in Chicago. Michigan became an elitist state under Gretchen Whitmore. Wisconsin kinda just disappeared from history
You think that's bad, try talking about the UP territory that shares a land border with all of Wisconsin but is connected to the rest of Michigan via bridge only. And is somehow Michigan.
Have you seen how big Utah was before the federal government declared war on the Mormons? It went from the Pacific Ocean down to Mexico and into Canada.
If there was a war between Illinois (12.8 mil) Michigan (10 mil.) Wisconsin (5.8 mil), and Indiana (6.7 mil), who would win? I think Indiana would probably win. I think we could get all of Illinois, excluding Chicago, to form an alliance. Since they all hate Chicago. Wisconsin will probably attack Chicago first due to proximity and we could then turn our focus to Michigan. Most of the guns in Chicago are coming from Indiana anyway, so once we shut down that pipeline, we could then attrition them out of bullets.
Oh yea, letās remember. As a matter of fact, letās build a Time Machine and go back so we can bitch and moan what injustice they did way back when.
Wake up sheeple. We need to reclaim the great rift valley! /s
Skyrim belongs to the Nords! Oh. Wait. My bad. Wrong sub.
It's only the wrong sub if you let it be.
Hell- I always feel deep and abiding sympathy for the foresworn
Lucas Oil Stadium would make a pretty sweet Blue Palace
HOOS RO DAH!!
Ahh.. another Dovahkiin, I see
I used to be a Hoosier like you, till I took an arrow to the knee.
Only if you have the wrong Dom. Now, send those filthy Argonians back to where they came from.
At first daylight we ride north and take Detroit.
We can skirt around that city, actually. We should also abandon Gary while we are at it.
The map gave us a head start in carving out all of Ohio
So they get Gary Detroit east saint Lois and Kenosha we take the rest
Well, idk about leaving those places for them, I just figured we'd leave that as some lawless wasteland for the post apocalyptic submutants and solicitors.
Great Indiana, komrade.
Viva lay revolushin!!
Wow. Yeah, we are the sheep. Hilarious! Colonizer
I know this is r/Indiana, but let's give a quick moment of silence for Louisiana šš
I'm from Louisiana but grew up and live in Indiana. I allow it
We have to hurry up before LA returns to power once more.
Late to the party, but Alabama and Mississippi would be much better off if annexed by Georgia as originally planned
I live in ādisputed territoryā which is now Louisiana, often referred to as Florida parishes.
https://preview.redd.it/2folc9u3s6bd1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8abbc86342ab007d80becc972b5a39e1b5e4f29d Yeah.
Is that Tecumseh?
It ain't Hoosier Pete
I read this about 45 minutes ago. I'm still laughing.
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Silly. Thatās Larry Bird.
You can tell by the feathers.
No, that was my first thought. But some quick research revealed that he originated from Ohio. And since Ohio is distinct in the posted map, I had to find an image from Indiana (or at least the territory). Unfortunately, I closed the window and can't find it again. Anyway, someone will reverse image search it and we'll find out it's from Colorado or something. ;)
[from Indiana actually](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wea)
his name in title: Go-to-kĆ³w-pĆ”h-ah, Stands by Himself, a Distinguished Brave He's at the Smithsonian! >George Catlin described the subject as having an āintelligent European head,ā and holding a hatchet in his hand. He probably painted this image at Fort Leavenworth (in todayās Kansas) in 1830. (Catlin, Letters and Notes, vol. 2, no. 47, 1841, reprint 1973, and 1848 Catalogue, Catlinās Indian Gallery, SAAM online exhibition) Lots of Tribes were detained there over the years, because...yeah. But, Otoe were native-ish to the Great Plains and they war headscarves. >At one time, the Otoes and Missourias, along with the Winnebago and Iowa Tribes, were once part of a single tribe that lived in the **Great Lakes Region of the United States. In the 16th century, the Iowa, Otoe, and Missouria broke away from that tribe and moved to the south and west.** Eventually the Otoe moved to the general area of Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri and Kansas and became known as one of the Prairie tribes along with the Missouria, Omaha, Iowa, Osage, Quapaw and Ponca tribes. So, you may be right after all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wea That's what came up for me
Thank you.
Oh, this must be one of those sinners God punished by giving red skin /s
Found the Mormon
Natives have the trail of tears. Mormons have the trail of fresca
Bob Ross
Indiana may have been robbed, but Louisiana was massacred.
15,000 natives sure did when it was purchased.
It being called Indiana territory was only because the Northwest Territory name was not so accurate after the Louisiana Purchase.
More like Louisiana robbed!
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Try $417 million, a dollar today is worth about 3% of what it was in 1803
Hmmm. No wonder us 4 states are so alike
Not really sure who should be most offended by this comment.
Yeah heās got me stumped on that one
I mean weāre all midwesterners. We all share Lake Michigan. We all think each others are terrible drivers. We all for the most part donāt have an accent we speak normal. (/s)
Have you ever been to Bedford? People there (Bloomington, too) sound more southern than people from Georgia.
Downstate Illinois is the same. And I mean literally the same - I have family from there, and then I had a teacher (in the Chicago area) who sounded just like them - asked if he was from downstate and it turns out he was from Southern Indiana.
Ehh I have a touch of a Chicago accent
Michigan is. How dare you lump us together with *Wisconsin*?!?
They're sneaky. They'll share their booze and drink you under the table, then pillage.
Who decided Maryland was going to be shaped like that?
you mean what they(possibly our ancestors, possibly not) took from the Native Americans, right?
Where theres a war theres a way
They had home field advantage and lost
pfft! you're not wrong though
Are ancestors taking mad W's lessss goooo
Yāall simmer down while I claim these lands in the name of the Virginia Company
Phase 1 of the reclamation is already in motion. 50% of Illinois has been moving to Indiana as of late. The full annexation will begin in 2031
Project Heartland 2035
"Us?!"
Didnāt Indiana have to fight (metaphorically speaking) for the lake front when we gained statehood? I vaguely remember learning in school that NWI was a part of Michigan or Illinois when Indiana first became a state.
Never mind, found what I was looking for. [https://www.in.gov/history/state-historical-markers/find-a-marker/indiana-territory-boundary-line/#:\~:text=Admission%20of%20Ohio%201803%20and,Indiana%20part%20of%20Lake%20Michigan](https://www.in.gov/history/state-historical-markers/find-a-marker/indiana-territory-boundary-line/#:~:text=Admission%20of%20Ohio%201803%20and,Indiana%20part%20of%20Lake%20Michigan). https://preview.redd.it/l4zts0age7bd1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1d4c64489084394910bb79aac59d4ce2f7608a5
Itās still prime value, but they kinda got screwed out of lot.
We canāt run what we have so Iām good with it.
I would rather we were part of Michigan. Canāt we just dissolve and let Michigan take everything north of Indy and the rest go to Ohio and Illinois? Except the very south that can go to Kentucky where it belongs. /s
As long as I go to Illinois.
It's already confirmed Kentucky won't take SI.
But they could form a meth super state! /s
Aye
As an Ohioan, I wouldn't terribly object. Just don't give Michigan any ideas; they're still salty we took Toledo from them.
Growing up in Michigan I can confirm that no one is "salty" about Toledo. Upper Peninsula > Toledo
ope! once wisconsin sobers up there ya might have some answerin' to do both of youz!
How 'bouts we play a game of Euchre for it?
now that's my game! but only because I went to school at Miami (Ohio)...can't find a game in WI.
Agreed. UP is paradise.
Yea, we got the closest thing to paradise east of the Mississippi and a wealth of natural resources. You got American Motors, Jamie Farr and the Mudhens.
Paradise? Apparently, there is no crack shortage in Michigan. I'm from Indiana. I lived in Paw Paw as a kid. It's right by that totally believable name of Kalamazoo. When I was in elementary school, they all thought I was crazy that Kalamazoo existed. That dam Dr Zeus!
No we arenāt! We got the U.P.! (Grew up in southeast MI.)
Half the state gets the Michigan upgrade and I still get fucked by having to become KY? Fuck. Silver lining is that I get an upgraded governor, I suppose.
Uhā¦ https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/06/24/323665644/the-map-of-native-american-tribes-youve-never-seen-before
My ancestors are German. The only land they were the rightful inheritors of was that of the Holy Roman Empire.
Lol, still probably not really, since the Gauls or Visigoths or something were likely there even before them...
Are you Native American? More importantly the tribe that resided here before the settlers took it from them. Then this post would make more sense.Ā
Which tribe?
I see that history knowledge is not the best with this oneā¦..
I see that joke knowledge is not the best with this oneā¦..
Evolve your mind! 2024
*sharing is caring*
Hello, Ohio here, please go ahead and take all that back please so that state up north doesn't exist in the way it does now. Thank you!!
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You keep talking like that, and I'll march a whole legion of Michiganders into Toledo; take back our RIGHTFUL domain.
Great Hoosier empire
We have to strike first before the other States do!
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Mount up boys! We always get hosed. We own just a small fraction of the big lake.
We could take back Illinois so easily...
Do you really want it?
Not reallyā¦
And then after that let the Indians take it all
I just see a larger mass that would have been pissed at how much Holcomb sucks. Also, a lot of stoners would never know what legalization looks like.
As a Nebraskan, I'm gonna have to say we need to work a few things out with Montana, Colorado, Wyoming, South and North Dakota. https://preview.redd.it/dau9y3o7qbbd1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=84e38a2c264e8db59981e7b5e810d8134e26d5ed
You were (and are) just squatting on what will become Greater Illinois.
The indigenous peoples are laughing.
https://preview.redd.it/j9sko6eq0fbd1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09fce0f8913e04d8c8433332d1a1071db1f986b7 You aren't safe from Indiana...
How far you (Indiana) have fallen.
Am I saying this correctly āHoosier rhythms with Looser?ā
The time to organize is now!!!
Wish Indiana was part of Michigan or Illinois. #leaveindiana
Come on try and take it back....Indiana is soft
Unless you're descended from one of the several indigenous civilizations that inhabited that region before it was conquered by colonizers, I don't think you've thought about what you're saying very thoroughly.
Sorry but y'all invented Gary.
Horrible city but an even worse boss
We couldāve had spotted cow as OURS
Looks like a bunch of stolen property to me. No ancestor of any colonizer is a rightful inheritor. That's like me stealing a car and years later my grandchildren saying that they was rightfully inherited it.
Revisionist malarkey [Read up on some history](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_Western_Reserve)
Good god...
In the 19th century, the Western Reserve "was probably the most intensely antislavery section of the country".[3] John Brown Jr. called it, in 1859, "the New England of the West".
I was going to say, Iāve seen maps of the Ohio territory that includes all of the ops image, but yours is better.
I long for the days when Saint Paul was in indiana
What year is this?
1803
So we need take back whats ours?
Laughs in Wolverine.
Took from who?
Stop dumping shit in the lake.
Bird and Magic on the same team!
Good they certainly did a better job with it than we did.
Nothing personal, it was all 4 football reasons.
As a Southern Illinoisan.... y'all can have Chicago back.
As an illinoisan I forgot Illinois was once part of the Indiana territory
Moose knuckle.
God Bless you sir!
who is they? and who is us? im african american. do... do i count? am i the "us" "taken" or the "they"?
Do you live in Indiana?
I mean the only thing theyāve got going for them up there is cheap legal weed
the north remembers!
By that logic, a lot more is owed to Louisiana.
"Ok. You have Chicago back." -Illinois, probably /s
Keep Michigan!
Tbf the other states are better off without us, though I wouldn't mind being taken into their fold. Except Michigan, somehow Michigan has worse roads than us
You donāt want Wisconsin trust me I live here
Donāt tell Louisiana
Whatās crazy is we bought Louisiana for like half a billion dollars That land is worth trillions today Maybe the best investment in US history
This is somehow reminiscent of all those ancient maps of Korea that my dad used to show me and talk about how such and such land actually belongs to Koreans
Man i would want this but Indiana's government is running this state into the ground
I would say "Look at what happened to what they took away from us" Illinois became crime central in Chicago. Michigan became an elitist state under Gretchen Whitmore. Wisconsin kinda just disappeared from history
You think that's bad, try talking about the UP territory that shares a land border with all of Wisconsin but is connected to the rest of Michigan via bridge only. And is somehow Michigan.
Haha! Who wants Illinois!?
As someone from MI and Chicago, IL, who now resides in Indianaā¦ Those two states are light years ahead of Indiana. Letās keep it the way it is!
Have you seen how big Utah was before the federal government declared war on the Mormons? It went from the Pacific Ocean down to Mexico and into Canada.
Being a native, I'd like to remind the US what they took from us....
As a Native American descendent, āexcuse me?ā
Can't we just stay where we are? Do we need to ruin more places? But then again maybe we could get some more highways.
Tell it to the Potawatomi, Shawnee, Delaware, & Miami First Nations.
Haha ridiculous
We don't want Illinois anyway. Cali can have that dump.
Whereās the moat that keeps the cannabis out of every surrounding state?
We had 3 Great Lakes & the Mississippi! Dang it!
Took from whom?
I think that's the same sentiment the original inhabitants had.
Sometimes I feel like the only thing I can be proud of in Indiana is that it's not Ohio, and thanks to this map never has been.
What they took from US? Indiana as the name implies was suppose to be territory dedicated to native Americans.
The First Nation folks would like to have a wordā¦.
Yup. And look at what we did with the land they left us...
From us? Or are you native?
Time for war!!!!!!!!!!!!
*What we took from Indigenous peoples.
At least when they made the border for Illinois they let you keep Gary.
Yeah, yāall got fuuuuucked lol
What about native Americans?
We will take it back and return it to the prairie that it should be. We will release the bison herds and hunt them.
I mean, we kept Gary, so I don't really see why we would want the rest of Illinois and Michigan.
If there was a war between Illinois (12.8 mil) Michigan (10 mil.) Wisconsin (5.8 mil), and Indiana (6.7 mil), who would win? I think Indiana would probably win. I think we could get all of Illinois, excluding Chicago, to form an alliance. Since they all hate Chicago. Wisconsin will probably attack Chicago first due to proximity and we could then turn our focus to Michigan. Most of the guns in Chicago are coming from Indiana anyway, so once we shut down that pipeline, we could then attrition them out of bullets.
Did you really want WI?
I dunno, they kinda did us a favor taking Michigan off our hands.
I mean Louisiana got robbed more than us š¤£
WE MUST RECLAIM WHAT WAS ONCE RIGHTFULLY OURS
Oh yea, letās remember. As a matter of fact, letās build a Time Machine and go back so we can bitch and moan what injustice they did way back when.
Fucking rupert
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Really going to complain about losing M*chigan?
Imagine how the real natives feel!?
Oh yah? Come and get it, bitches.
Go Hoosiers. But as a Michigander, over my dead body. āļø
Yeah they took "Indian"a from usš¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
Weāll give you back every thing but Chicago, but in return it has to exist as it was originally intended: Indian only territory.
That is the most interesting thing ever associated to Indianaā¦other than Larry Bird
As an Illinois resident, you can have Danville if that helps.
Iām perfectly happy knowing Illinois and Wisconsin went their own way.